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Date: Sat. Sep. 29 2007 10:56 PM ET

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has offered the Taliban a position in government if the group renounces violence, and Defence Minister Peter MacKay has supported the proposal.

The move, part of Karzai's stepped-up calls for negotiations in recent weeks, came as 30 people were killed by a bus blast in Kabul, the Afghan capital.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing.

Karzai offered Saturday to meet with Taliban leader Mullah Omar and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a former prime minister and factional warlord leader -- saying he would even meet on their territory.

"If I find their address, there is no need for them to come to me, I'll personally go there and get in touch with them," Karzai said.

"Esteemed Mullah, sir, and esteemed Hekmatyar, sir, why are you destroying the country?"

If a group of Taliban militants came to Karzai and offered to halt attacks in exchange for a role in government, he would accept, he said.

"If there will be a demand and a request like that to me, I will accept it because I want conflicts and fighting to end in Afghanistan."

"I wish there would be a demand as easy as this. I wish that they would want a position in the government. I will give them a position," he said.

He said he has contact with the militant group through tribal elders, but there is currently no direct line of communication with the Taliban.

There is no indication yet whether the offer will be accepted.

Speaking in Halifax on Saturday, Defence Minister Peter MacKay backed Karzai's proposal, if it meant an end to violence against NATO forces.

"If (the proposal) involves having the (Taliban) leadership accept those conditions and renounce the violence, then it's moving towards what we all want to see, and that is a stable, peaceful society in Afghanistan," he said.

Karzai renewed his calls for talks with the Taliban earlier in the month. A Taliban spokesperson initially said the group was open to negotiations, but later said talks would only happen if all foreign troops left the country.

That demand is unlikely to be met, as Karzai has called on NATO members -- including Canada -- in recent weeks to extend or boost their troop commitments to his country.

Karzai said Saturday the demand is impossible.

"It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan," he said.

But he said he still hopes to negotiate with Taliban militants. He said he wouldn't hold talks with al Qaeda or other foreign militants.

Sunil Ram, a professor of military history and land warfare with the American Military University, told CTV Newsnet that Karzai's decision makes sense.

"As it now stands the situation is untenable, and clearly to try and bring some level of stability to Afghanistan the Taliban have to be talked to," Ram said.

Neither NATO nor the Taliban has the ability to defeat the other militarily, so talks between the two sides are really the only way forward, Ram said.

"Ultimately we're going to have to come to a negotiated settlement at least to create a modicum of peace as opposed to the relative chaos that is sporadically all over the country."

He also said Karzai is right to have rejected the Taliban's terms for the talks, suggesting that if NATO nations pulled out of Afghanistan the Taliban would have little reason to deal with Karzai and could likely overthrow the government.

Daan Everts, NATO's ambassador to Afghanistan, has suggested growing numbers of Taliban are willing to lay down their arms and he said the group would look into the possibility of talks.

Kabul bombing

The deadly bombing in Kabul on Saturday blew the roof and sides off of a bus, leaving only the burned out shell of the vehicle.

"For 10 or 15 seconds, it was like an atom bomb -- fire, smoke and dust everywhere," Mohammad Azim, a police officer who witnessed the explosion told The Associated Press.

Thirty people were killed, including 28 soldiers and two civilians, Karzai said on Saturday.

Another 30 were wounded, according to the Health Ministry.

The bus had stopped to pick up soldiers in front of a movie theatre, when a bomber wearing an army uniform tried to board the bus at about 6:45 a.m., AP reports. The man blew himself up.

"It was a terrible tragedy, no doubt an act of extreme cowardice," Karzai said. "Whoever did this was against people, against humanity, definitely against Islam. A man who calls himself Muslim will not blow up innocent people in the middle of Ramadan," the Muslim holy month.

With files from The Associated Press

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Michael
said

Hamid Karzai has his hands full. The religious idealogies espoused by the Taliban and those who would sympathize with them are regressive, oppressive, barbaric, demeaning, wicked and against all common decency and respect for mankind. The Taliban cannot be allowed to do as they have done in the past.


Hugh
said

Good move by the President. The Taliban should be able to put forward numerous names of individuals qualified to assist with women's affairs, education, captial punishment, bomb making etc.


Tamouh
said

This could be a sign of desperation or an attempt at peace. From the latest news we've been hearing: NATO needs to regain some of the ground it 'liberated' previously, and the recent bus bombing in the heart of the capital are signs of weakening government and very likely a strong offensive by Taliban fighters.


D.R.- Calgary
said

Up until this point, I have supported this mission. Have friends that have served, as well. But if Karzai is now offering an office in the govenment to terrorists, perhaps it is time for us to leave. Our soldiers did not die so Karzai could bring the Taliban back himself. Disgusted.
When did negotiating with terrorists become acceptable?? I think that the 50% of Canadians who did support this mission, has just dropped many many percentage points.


Matt
said

"It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan"
Wow, good thing we have foreign leaders dictating the terms of our military missions. Maybe we should also guarantee that Afghans can get their pizza deliveries in 30 minutes or less before we pull out as well.



GW
said

Karzai is on the right track now. The only way to stop the violence is to compromise with the extremists a bit, allow them to participate in the country under the condition that democracy will remain. Don’t even talk about the laying down of arms idea. Even if Karzai can get some of the Taliban to cooperate it will reduce the violence.

Sit them down, negotiate and give them a way out of this mess with their pride intact.

Haven’t we learned yet that stubbornly trying to force or wipe out these radical people will never work? Consult the Israeli’s on this. They pulled out of Lebanon after ten years of trying this.

We can’t have our cake and eat it too. Make a few reasonable compromising demands, get them involved and let the whole lot of them work it out for them selves.

We could stay involved in the democratic process and limited peacekeeping.



Michael Kelly
said

If I was a military soldier hearing that the Afghan president is trying to get the Taliban a position in the government; I would deeply question what was accomplished in the lives of your fellow buddies and the billions of taxpayer's money.



Zach
said

It has been a long time since support for the Afghanistan mission reached 50 per cent. Don't pretend otherwise. Nonetheless, hopefully this will convince some of the stalwart minority as to the futility of keeping our soldiers in harm's way. We are propping up a corrupt and ineffectual government that has had six years to right itself, and we are supporting a mission that our American allies are no longer particularly interested in.


DUDE
said

To D.R.-Calgary
The Taliban are NOT terrorists.
Today's Taliban have very little to do with the former regime that was in Kabul 10 years ago. This movement of national resistance against the coalition troops from NATO is loosely labelled the Taliban. They are peed off opium farmers and other folks that need a job to feed their families and yes, the former hardcore Taliban guys that promote themselves as local leaders in the cause and badly coordinate attacks against NATO by way of IED's - in an asymmetric war - because they are too weak to confront us face to face. In 30-40 years peace and development will be back in the region like it used to be in the 1960's...
I know this because I have now spent a total of 14 months of my life in Afghanistan as a military intelligence dude.


Lisa
said

I agree with DR's comment above. This is the first time I have ever felt any doubt about our mission in Afghanistan. The Taliban have killed 71 of our soldiers and 1 of our diplomats...so let's give them a government position? Ridiculous.


wc
said

If they lay down their arms they should be given a place at the table. This strategy was also employed with another vicious terrorist organization, the IRA. Future stability is dependent on having participation in government.


Jeff
said

"Hugh"
Good move by the President. The Taliban should be able to put forward numerous names of individuals qualified to assist with women's affairs, education, capital punishment, bomb making etc."
Is this guy nuts? Taliban... women's affairs? Bomb Making?


Haseeb Afghani
said

Afghans will never be blackmailed. Taliban are mostly Pakistani terrorists and we WILL never negotiate with them. Our patience will not run out until these terrorists run out.

This is a group that must be crashed and put out of commission ASAP. Look, today they killed 29 innocent and poor soldiers. Soldiers in Afghanistan are extremely poor. They get paid $70/month and mostly young. They are behading teachers, nurses, burn our schools, clinics and now I should accept them as minister?

Mr. Karzai, how can I accept a group who just killed 29 innocent and poor young people who had nothing to do with politics?





Robert
said

I didn't realize that Karzai was a memeber of the NDP. He must have joined the NDP after his last rip to Canada. I've got more respect for Karzai then Jack Layton.


Jeremy
said

Wow. Glad that our men and women have been over there putting their lives on the line for nothing. Let's face it, it's time to bring 'em home.


Gerry Bourdeau
said

I am finding the comments about negotiating with the Taliban sad but also a little amusing.
What does anyone suggest be negotiated with them? Religious zealotry and totalitarianism is kind of a deal breaker to anything you would have the Government negotiate don't you think?
Should the concessions be if the Taliban stops fighting we will allow them to subjugate half of the women instead of all of them? Or will we allow them to harbour only some terrorists who would bring death to the infidels?
There is no middle ground to meet these people with and anyone who thinks there is is simply deluding themselves or startlingly ignorant of the Taliban's track record.

p. sanftenberg
said

WHAT? The Taliban KILL our Soldiers and are THEN offered a position in GOVERNMENT and WE are asked to STAY?? Can anyone say, "SITTING DUCKS" ? What is this? BRING THEM HOME! This is getting even CRAZIER by the Day!


dwigget
said

This looks more like political chess than anything else to me. The Taliban are 99 per cent unlikely to accept this 'offer'. More 'moderate' collaborators are likely to consider the offer... anything that chips away Taliban support (where it exists) and forces the Taliban to admit how anti-Afghan (as common citizens have nothing to gain from this insurgency but terror and mayhem) they really are. He can now say 'hey - I offered to talk' while NATO hits 'em hard. And by portraying that NATO is working @ his request, it asserts that the Afghan Government is the authority in this offensive, not foreign troops & politicians... which is essential.


Kris
said

I expect all the right-wingers out there to condemn Karzai. Remember how you all treated Jack Layton for even suggesting that we talk with the Taliban?
Well, now the Taliban is going to be a legitimate part of the government. I'm so glad our country has lost over 70 soldiers and spent billions of dollars in that country, only to have the Taliban be a part of the government.



Jim
said

I have always supported this mission, but now I am not so sure. How many Canadians were killed just so this idiot can invite them back. Maybe it's time to go.


Canadian
said

Anything to find peace because using terrorism to fight terrorists is not productive. Or justifiable.
How about a real investigation of 9/11 sometime. The official explanation is a farce and certainly all the people involved have not been implicated.
This is a war that will not be won by any group.


James
said

Jack Layton deserves an apology from EVERY Conservative or Liberal who ever called him 'Taliban Jack'. We have our own version of war mongers in Canada who seem to want a state of 'perpetual' war. All conflicts come to an end. Mr. Layton has been correct ALL along in his desire to stop the killing and move the talks up front.


Michele
said

I guess all those previously calling Layton 'taliban Jack' will now have to say 'taliban Hamid'.
Lets face it those who the west call the Taliban are just Afghan people wanting control of their own country. As it stands now with the Afghan constitution including Sharia law I don't see much difference between the Karzai gov't. and one that would represent all Afghan people. There are plenty of reports about the present government being corrupt. (and I believe the U.S. already has the deal signed for the gas pipleline from Caspian Sea)


GW
said

This whole radical Islam revelation is only going to grow and get messier as time goes on.
I’m all for wiping out the terrorists but we should be very cautious about getting or staying involved if we’re not prepared to go all the way.
- What is the route of extremist Islam that is terrorizing the world?
- What are the terrorist really after?
- Who is propagating all the hatred?
Please note that most Moslems are peaceful people with a proper understanding of Islam.
Their plan is not just to cause terror.


Lloyd
said

well, Matt, Our soldiers are not there strictly as Canadians, they are there as part of NATO (yes, a long way from the North Atlantic!) and as such are under the control, or at least influence of foreign countries.
While I am in support of our mostly young military personnel I have serious reservations about this war. I am one of those who was proud of Canada's noble peace keeping roles in the past. If we are so intent on bearing arms to save lives, how come we aren't in the hotspots of Africa?

Bob
said

To Dude
Sorry but military intelligence is an oxymoron. No such thing as intelligence in the military.
The Russians were there before and could not finish the job. How can our few troops do more than they did??
Get the troops out of there now while they can get out.


barry
said

Dwigget is right, would everybody please take a step back from staring down the tunnel and realize this is just a move to erode Taliban support domestically. Obviously the Taliban would never be given a position in the Afgan government.


Ian
said

This news is sure to make Taliban Jack happy eh?


robert
said

Well it's time to bring our men and woman home. I guess this was a waste of time.


David in Exeter
said

Well isn't that a slap in the face! I am a firm supporter of our troops being there - however, should the Taliban have a role in the government it is indeed time for a withdrawal. I've heard nothing more insane of late - Karzai you have insulted Canadians by even entertaining this thought - blood shed for what?!


D.R.-Calgary
said

to DUDE...
Those who allow terrorism to train, grow, and expand globally, are essentially terrorists. They did nothing to rid the country of terrorists. Ignoring it is as bad as supporting it. Am glad you made it home safely all the same. Even if we do disagree. I am sure I speak for all when saying thank you for your contribution.


Ian
said

"those who the west call the Taliban are just Afghan people wanting control of their own country". What a statement! All of the dictators of the world, who ever wanted control of their country and who used oppression, genocide and torture to achieve that control, are they to be categorized in the same way? I don't agree with Karzai, for many reasons, but I surely don't view the Taliban as Afghan people who only want control of their country.

GW
said

Bring our troops home in 2009 as planned. They did their duty with dignity and honor.

God bless our troops.

Allan Eizinas
said

Not understanding your enemy is the greatest mistake that any country can make. Talk to your enemy. Take the time to study your enemy. Study his history, his weaknesses and his strengths. Learn about his needs and his wants. Only when you understand your enemy will you then be able to destroy him – or make him your friend.

Al
said

after all the blood that was and is still being shed from fighting the taliban this is the thanks our troops get? Karzai has finally made the last of his long list of wrong moves, bring our troops home asap, they are obviously under appreciated and now being misused.


Ronnie
said

To Bob.

Saying that there is no intelligence in the military is a thoughtless, ignorant remark and an insult to the men and women in uniform who are putting themselves in harm's way so you can have the privilege to live and speak freely. If the terrorists came here with their mandate of violence, you'd all be screaming for our soldiers to get out there and fix it.


Colin
said

I think Canadians may not have followed the exploits of the Taliban before the Americans decided to invade due to their own vengeful culture. Don't let the greed or the USA overshadow the evil that once ruled Afghanistan. The Taliban disallowed ALL women from being educated or holding jobs. If you lost your husband you starved. They banned music and the playing of a musical instrument, tape, CD or record was punishable by death. They obliterated any relics (including the largest Buddhist sculptures on earth) of any belief system other than their own. Even now, a Muslim who wishes to change religions is punishable by death in Afghanistan. The Taliban is a pestilence backed by the hardest right in Pakistan and imposing religious slavery on an entire nation. They should never have power. They should be obliterated.

Tim
said

"Jeff"

When you comment on someone's post (ie. Hugh's) read it a little more carefully. It's not too difficult to get the sarcasm in Hugh's post.

marian
said

Karzai offers a government office to Taliban, why not?
Most people in Afghanistan support the taliban, not the foreign troops.
And Karzai knows that.
And it's not just Jack Leyton, last week British Defense Secretary Des Browne said that the Taliban must be involved in Afghanistan's political process.

Brenda
said

This is like Northern Ireland or South Africa. Mandella was seen the same way the Taliban are seen today. It may be painful, but saving lives, all lives, is the better way. We can never bring back our dead soldiers. We can save those still alive.


Lance
said

Before jumping to any obvious conclusions, consider the political angle. We, the general population, get scammed all the time by governments of all stripes. My take on this is one of 2 scenarios. 1. Karzai is playing up to those in the Talban that may want an excuse to change sides. Hopefully resulting in infighting within Taliban ranks. (Much like Canadian politics but without guns)

2. Karzai knows full well that the offer will fall on deaf ears within the "Taliban" circles and thereby openly demonstrating to NATO countries that there is no other option but to try to irradicate this blight from Afghanistan soil.


Michele
said

So Peter MacKay now is O.K. with talking to the Taliban. Well to use one of the famous Conservative sayings, this must be the biggest FLIP-FLOP of them all!!

To those you think we are in Afghanstan to help the women and children and to over throw dictators then why are you happy with having their constitution include Sharia law AND why are you not championing the invasion of Saudi Arabia to overthrow that dictatorship?




Freak Alert
said

Do people really think the Taliban will stop with just an office or two to sit in with government??

Bribes in the form of cash and drug trade hasn't changed them, and before we know it, if they are in government, we(Canada), will be suporting a government that is attacking us.

The whole thing is just a mess from start, till now and to finish.

It gives me an ill feeling what the families of their lost loved ones must feel.


Frank Kearns
said

Two weeks ago Harper and Hillier were calling the Taliban terrorists and today they are welcome members of the Afghan government.

I guess that all of the evil the Taliban represented and our rational for spending money and lives to remove them from power just went out the window.


mike R
said

Dude;

It's a fine line between "Terrorists" and peed off locals. So do you honestly think that letting these peed off locals, who advocate the killing of innocents, will be twarted by giving them a voice in Gov't.

All that will happen is that they will use their influence to rearm, and protect their assets while still killing innocents. THEY will not stop until they are in complete power, and the general populace is under their control.

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