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Date: Mon. Sep. 24 2007 6:41 PM ET

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was taken to task Monday for casting doubt on the Holocaust, during a forum at Columbia University in New York.

Columbia president Lee Bollinger told the Iranian leader he exhibited "all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," to enthusiastic applause from the audience.

He then said Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust came across as foolish in front of an audience of students and teachers.

"When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous," said Bollinger. "The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history."

But Ahmadinejad replied that Bollinger's words were "an insult to information and the knowledge of the audience here."

He accused Bollinger of being influenced by U.S. politicians and biased news agencies.

"I should not begin by being affected by this unfriendly treatment," he said.

Ahmadinejad quoted extensively from the Koran during his appearance, expounded on the relationship between science and enlightenment, and claimed Iran itself was a victim of U.S.-supported terrorists.

He said members of the Iranian government had been killed in an attack by U.S.-supported terrorists, though he didn't name the alleged attackers or provide other details.

He also spoke out against governments that "tap telephones" and was critical of what he described as governments that unleash an "onslaught on the domestic cultures of nations."

Ahmadinejad didn't directly answer a questions about whether he sought the destruction of Israel, but instead discussed the plight of the Palestinian people. He received loud cheers from the packed auditorium when he demanded whether or not the Palestinian situation was an important global issue.

Ahmadinejad also claimed European academics have been put in prison for "approaching the Holocaust from a different perspective," and defended Iran's nuclear ambitions. He said Iran has the right to develop nuclear technology and has never intended to use it for violence, nor has it hid anything from international inspectors.

At another point, Ahmadinejad denied that any homosexuals lived in Iran -- a comment that prompted derisive laughter from the audience.

Unfazed, Ahmadinejad persisted: "In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have this."

He spoke to The Associated Press prior to delivering the speech at Columbia and a scheduled address to the UN General Assembly on Tuesday.

"Iran will not attack any country," he told AP in an interview.

Ahmadinejad, who has in the past referred to the Holocaust as "a myth" and called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," added that Iran has always maintained a defensive stance as opposed to an offensive one.

He also said he doesn't believe the U.S. is planning to attack Iran.

"That is not how I see it. ... I believe that some of the talk in this regard arises first of all from anger. Secondly, it serves the electoral purposes domestically in this country. Third, it serves as a cover for policy failures over Iraq."

Ahmadinejad seemed to strike a diplomatic tone during the interview, AP reported, describing Iran's foreign policy as based on humanitarian concerns and the pursuit of justice.

The controversial leader sparked outrage over the weekend after he said that he wanted to visit "Ground Zero."

Police and New York City officials have already said he won't be allowed to go to the site because of security concerns.

Ahmadinejad told the CBS news show "60 Minutes," in an interview taped in Iran on Thursday, that he doesn't believe that his visit would be considered insulting by all Americans.

"Why should it be insulting?" he said in the interview, which broadcast Sunday.

"Usually you go to these sites to pay your respects. And also to perhaps to air your views about the root causes of such incidents. I think that when I do that, I will be paying, as I said earlier, my respect to the American nation."

However, he said he won't push the issue if he is not permitted to go.

With files from The Associated Press

Comments are now closed for this story

rob o.
said

It fascinates me how people in the 'land of the free' (USA) have issue with differing opinions... you would assume that people can make up their own minds... apparently not.

Whatever you think of this individual... however crazy you think his views are... let him speak and then decide for yourself...


T Kendell
said

Rob... have you not heard what has already come out of this nutjob's mouth?


Jason B
said

Well put, Rob O.

Censorship is undemocratic, and ultimately insults the intelligence of the people it is supposedly protecting.

Much of what we know of Mr Ahmadinejad is from the media. Now, people will have a chance to really listen to what he has to say, and make up their own minds.


Eric
said

A student at Columbia made a very interesting statemtent on the news yesterday;

'You can't debate a person and challenge them if you don't hear what they have to say.'

Isn't this what all this fighting over the years has been about?...Free will?


peter
said

More than ever the US needs to demonize others. It is a tried and true method in influencing the masses. American Media delivers a constant barrage of fear to the public. Fear of knowledge and truth has never been more unacceptible in the US paradigm. Let him speak, let him visit the towers that were.


Michael
said

When a man advocates genocide for any group or people as he has done regarding Israel, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY... I already have heard enough from this evil man. If people want to be entertaining listening to more evil talk then go ahead I don't.


Matt
said

Okay, so George W., whose war has led to the loss of tens of thousands of civilian lives, as well as untold suffering and deprivations, is allowed to jet into Iraq whenever he wants, yet the leader of another foreign country can't make a speech in the "Land of the Free".

Anyone who doesn't see this as hypocritical is buying into the hogwash the Bush administration spoon feeds you on a daily basis.


Paul
said

This guy wants the total destruction of Israel, and has said so publicly. As soon as he has the means (nuclear) what do you think he is going to do?



Mohamed Bakr
said

The organized campaign against Ahmadinajad is a proof that in the west there is no real freedom of speech. Ahmadinajad is a very humble and clean-handed person and this is well known outside Iran. He is unlike the corrupt pro-american arab dictators who are ruining their countries while pleasing their American masters. His only mistake is that he wants his country to be strong and free from any influence and this is why the US and other western powers are against him.

Steve
said

Free speech and all that aside, does no one else see the total irony in the President of Iran, whose nation refers to America as the "Great Satan", using an American built Boeing 747 as his Presidential aircraft?


Ryan
said

This guy cannot be taken as intellectually sound seeing he denies a fact... the Holocaust! Anyone who denies something like the Holocaust has a mental or educational problem.


Brian A
said

I don't see why, in the interest of free speech and free expression, the man can't be allowed to visit Ground Zero and say what he would like. He will be answerable for the things that he would, could or will say, so why not? We may not all agree with his opinions - I definately disagree with him on a number of fronts - but what is the problem?


Buster Brown
said

Ahmadinejad, G.W Bush,really what is the difference? Both are irrational lunatics with considerable power. The big difference being that GW with be a has been soon.
Ahmadinejad will likely be around for some time.Give him a chance ,you gave the other guy one.


PJ
said

We're so good at chastizing ourselves and, better still, the US for all our evils that we forget that this is the same regime that sanctioned the rape and murder of a Canadian citizen by Iranian officials for the crime of photojournalism, sponsored a cartoon contest to mock the Holocaust, and used threats and psychological torture on illegally-seized British soldiers to force them to spout progoganda. Just for openers.

At this point, 'we don't care what you say' isn't censorship -- it's a predictable reaction.

To the person who said it is all part of the US demonizing others, why not go to Iran yourself and ask to visit some site of historical wounding to make statements with a hurtful political perspective. Then see how your rights are respected.

As someone who actually knows a person killed in 9/11, I think it is pretty awful to imagine such a person spouting whatever bile comes to mind over this husband and father's tomb.

I don't espouse violence and hatred to deal with the world's problems, but am cognizant that there are those out there who seek to bring it to my doorstep no matter what I think and how I behave.


Betty Gorven
said

When are we going to realize that unless and until we are prepared to practice what we preach and listen to others who may not believe as we do and try to reach accord with those of differing beliefs rather than bombing them into submission there will never be peace on this planet.

This man may have horns and a tail or he may not. I prefer to find that out sooner rather than later. Look where it has gotten us accepting the propaganda of those who have brought us to where we are today.

If for no other reason than the irrefutable fact that we owe it to our grandchildren to at least make the effort.


T Kendell
said

Let me get this straight. Most of you would let a known murder advocate, kidnapper and racist hatemonger into your home to spout his views to your family, because you're sensitive to his right to free speech?
What do you then tell your kids when they sympathize with him?


Roger T
said

There is no conflict between the US and Iran. The only issue is that the US wants the Iranians to submit to their wishes which is a typical US hostile approach. If any nation stands up to their rights the US will quickly suppress them because of fear of losing their position in the world. The US is making it a bigger issue to pressure the UN & the world by branding the Iranians as a threat. Thank goodness, they are bullying the weaker nations, I can't imagine what would happen if they push the other Superpower nations around.

George W. Ahmadinejad
said

Let Bush address the Iranian people in return....


Michael
said

To Betty:
Much good comes from trying to accomodate others who differ from us but to think we will ever achive peace on planet earth is pure fantasy as long as we have evil in our midst. Therefore when those who have a track record of wickedness I don't need to go out of my way to accomodate them but to avoid them or confront them (war) if unavoidable.


Alex
said

People are too focused on viewing him as an evil person...he may not be an angel, but just remember that his distaste for things that may be 'pro-American' probably come from the way his nation, his religion, and his society (and many others!) have been treated by America. People are not born violently opposed to others - they're simply a product of the way they're treated.

Bias, self-serving attitudes toward others will come back to hurt you - this is a lesson many people down south still haven't come to understand...

President Ahmadinejad may or may not be trying to bridge the gap between two radically different societies. But until we ALL start taking steps to listen, understand and learn to compromise, we will continue to remain as such.


Sam Berg
said

If Bush is serious about diplomacy he should meet this man face to face and attempt to avoid another war disaster.


Happy Canadian
said

Let him speak at Columbia. Let the questions be tough and see what the answers are (probably nothing new).
U.S. and Canadian soldiers and civilians have paid a great price, often throughout history, to protect the rights of all people, even those who do not deserve them.
However, the visit to Ground Zero would be nothing more than a terrorist sponsoring state thumbing their nose at those that died, and their families, in this terrorist action. Strictly a PR move to show he can insult the Great Satan in the place of the greatest inflicted wound.
If the officials allow it, the people should stop it.
I particularly like the Canadaian Human Rights pamplet reportedly being spread by Iran. This would be worth reading. Black is white is black.


Phil Long
said

He may not be the most popular figure but let him speak otherwise you are not practising what you preach, aka Free Speech. The US is not so clean either they publicly condemn torture but send suspects to countries which do not respect human rights to get them to do the dirty work for them.

Sidney H.
said

ALlowing Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia, legitimizes his views to the people who follow him. Surely, history has taught us a lesson, Hitler was democratically elected, allowed to legitimize himself to millions of his followers and ended up responsible for the death of countless millions. Is this what we want repeated?


Lance
said

I think he sounds like a nut case every time he opens his mouth. I suspect people in Canada would pay to hear him.
I wonder if Michael Moore will have tea with him.


Michael
said

To Alex:
Wasn't it not long ago we put a guy behind bars for spreading hatred toward the Jews and calling the Holocaust a fraud. Why would we want to allow this hatred filled man in our midst? Civil societies don't engage these people. Those who think Ahmadinejad is here to build bridges is dreaming in technicolor.


Michael
said

Alex said:
"People are not born violently opposed to others - they're a product of the way they're treated."

Alex, Muslim kids are taught to hate the Jews in school in Gaza (fact). They have guns placed in their young hands and taught that they need to kill and resist the Jews. I don't see Jewish kids being taught to hate the Muslims. That difference is ALL the difference I need to know in order to respond to people like Ahmadinejad.


GW
said

This man is a nut job for sure just like Hitler although the real power in Iran lies with the religious cleric.

All those who say they still need to decide for themselves may need a cat scan. How much depraved blithering do you need to hear before you decide?

The only good that will come out of this is the students will learn what a first class nut job is like and the CIA or what ever they call themselves will get some useful Intel.



Craig
said

Ahmadinejad does have freedom of speech. He can say what he likes in his own country or in his own interviews or press conferences. No one is telling him what he can and cannot think, no matter how messed up his views are.

However, INVITING him to talk at Columbia is giving legitimacy to his views which is wrong.


farsheed
said

As a person who lived in Iran and escaped from people like him, I like to hear the world what he has to say and at the same time question him as well. This man has participated in executions and assasinations. So please let him talk and question him at the same time. What I really love to see is for him to be charged and put to jail for crime against humanity.


Devin Duke
said

This guy is a joke, Im all for free-speach, and being able to protest things. But this guy is a nut! He's denying the fact, and I say that again, the fact that the holocaust did not happen. Not only did he attend meetings with other world leaders, and the leader of the KKK he had the nerve to laugh when the subject was brought up. I'm with those other people who said that as soon as this guy has nuclear weapons he's gonna use them on Israel(Their's no question about it). I'm not an American, I'm a 15 year old Canadian high school student sitting in my History class. But I'd be pretty insulted if the man who supports terrorism in Iraq, and sends money, and weapons there. The same weapons that helps kill your soldiers, would want to come and visit my country. I'm gonna stop with my ranting here but people who dont realize how bad of a man this guy is, are just as bad as he is.


farsheed
said

To Alex:
I respect your thoughts, however, there is an error in it. Iranian society deson't dislike American society and there is not much difference in them. 2nd error, is that this fundamentalist governmnet in Iran was designed and helped to put in power by the US government, just like the other one in Afganistan!
People should understand oil and money is the motivator for what goes on in the Middle East. Do not group the society in there, it's insulting.


Mohamed
said

To Micheal:
I listened live to the speech of Ahmadinajad that you refer to. The man, in my understanding, never meant genocide of the Jewish people as the media made it sound. Many of the world, including in Israel, believe that the racist Israeli political system that dicsriminates between the Jewish and non Jewish citizens inside Israel has to change. Recently, the Israeli Knesset passed a law banning the sale of lease of land to any non-Jewish citizen of Israel. Imagine Christians with Israeli nationality have no right to buy or lease any land. If this is not racism then what is racism?

Al
said

I am not in love with this guy, but I am amazed at the American Media competing on the love of Israel.

I am recommending that we have a new award program that nominated and awards (who loves Israeal the most)


Michael Le Couteur
said

It is too bad he didn't get to the 9/11 crime scene to honour the victims of that horrible day. I would say his visit to the U.N. is the more important one. The fact that people are protesting is not a surprise at all. People protest Bush wherever he goes. Heck they protest Harper. Although Bush gets protesters because of his foreign policy. Ahmadinejad gets protesters for what? Most of the protesters are there due to some confusion between Iran and 9/11 or the mistranslated MEMRI "wipe Israel off the map." CNN type talking points referring to Ahmadinejad are not reasons to protest him. I have no problem with protesters. Just be sure who and what you are protesting. Dig for yourself. Don't be sheep. After watching the 60 minutes show, I would give top dollar to see Ahmadinejad and Bush have a debate. The president of Iran would hand Bush his *** on a plate.


ance
said

There are no good guys in the vast cesspool of religously motivated middle eastern political violence.

Extremism in the name of any god is abhorent but inevitable. Every faith demands of its followers a blindness to the rights of anyone outside of the specific group.

Progressive Secularism that values all humanity simply for being human is the only hope for the world.

Abandon deliberate ignorance.


Doug
said

This man really tests my belief in free speech. But,if our society is to move forward,we must.I can't find any other way to resolve issues in the absence of an exchange of dialogue.
It's unfortunate that he is unwilling to allow western views to be expressed in his country.I'd be willing to bet there are millions there who would appreciate some of the rights he is shown in the USA.
In the US,he is free to speak,and disagree with the US government.All those rights in spite of the fact he is not even a citizen.
In Iran, someone espousing views not supportive of the state just disappear.After being tortured for a few days.
Shame on this man and those who believe much of what he says.


Lance
said

No one is buying the Osama-Al-CIAda-Iraq-Iran-boogeyman theory anymore.


Jonny
said

I think it's fair for Ahmadinejad to get his chance to speak to a university audience, and as a result perhaps show how inconsistent and unacceptable he is as a leader. It is ironic, though, that he is allowed to speak in the US while it's a sure bet Bush won't be the next foreign national to speak at a university in Iran!


Mamad
said

Some great points from some comments here. Although I think Ahmadinejad is somewhat uneducated and says dumb things, but I think personally he's way less evil than Bush and his administration. If you think He's evil and don't wanna listen to him, then don't you listen to Bush and his media 24/7?
Those who talk about Ahmadinejad being evil, and is trying to persue a nuclear weapon and attack israel are sheeps that follow anything the media puts in their head. Iran has never attacked any country and never will.

Phil Miller
said

Why should the U.S. allow the man to speak publicly on their soil when he denies his own people that very same right? At least Ahmadinejad will walk away after he talks.


Paul S
said

Why would anyone protest Ahmadinejad talking at Columbia, the UN, or anywhere? Every time he opens his mouth he reveals himself to be a racist ignoramus with a tenuous grasp of reality. I say broadcast his speeches and Q&A sessions live and unedited. Then, the world can see what he is about, and the conspiracy fanatics cannot accuse the media of "demonizing" him. Far from legitimizing him, this approach will reveal him to be a complete wack job worthy of ridicule and mockery.


DC
said

Does the world really need to give another forum to spread intolerance and hate? A leader who states an entire nation should be wiped out and denies the holocaust should not be given the opportunity to further spread his hate. Why not book him in a forum that is more appropriate? Maybe Jerry Springer could fit him in?


Max Wedge
said

Freedom of Speech has NEVER been about protecting the uncontroversial. It is about protecting the right of people to say things we DON'T want to hear. So is the case here. Let him say what he will, let it be judged as it will.


A Canadian in Norway
said

Lance, you should stop making your uneducated statements. The U.S. government under Reagan did in fact give money and weapons to Bin Laden and this group to commit terrorism against the Russians in Afghanistan, so does in fact support terrorism. Second, most the media has taken a lot out of context with what the President of Iran said previously.

kris
said

Keep in mind, as far as what we hear this man saying, it is through the media. I am not so naive as to believe that what we hear isn't in some fashion or another selected for us, in order to promote governmental agendas, and ensure that there is a forced consensus in the west as to how we as civilians should view places like Iran. I'm in favor of letting him speak, for two reasons, to hear what he has to say, and then compare that to what we are told about him, and second, if nothing else and he is as "nutty" as he seems, we should be able to tell pretty easily that he is either full of it, or simply spewing rhetoric, and an unusual PR move to win the hearts and minds of Americans. I haven't heard anything come out of this guy's mouth that endears him to me in any way, but I would like to know how twisted his perception is, and how many sycophants are telling him that this PR stunt will improve his image in America.

JM
said

Let the man speak. I respect Columbia for inviting him. It's hopefully not the last step in hearing sides, and academic institutions owe it to students to be make their own educated opinions. We are never going to change a thing if we don't listen to each other, and as someone on here said, find a way to "compromise". Terrible to say, but I have heard some of my educated NYC friends say and mean things like the only answer to dealing with terrorists is to "parking lot" the Middle East. How is that mentality any different than what we call the "extremists/terrorists" views? As for Iran harboring terrorists - how many terrorists have been found on Canadian soil? Not to say that we condone it, agree with it, or purposely sponsor it, but before referring to another society as "harboring" terrorism, maybe we should pay attention to the details and where the root of the problem lies.


Jim H
said

Ouch, just finished watching his speech, it must have been pretty embarrassing for him. At least his appearance at an American university wasn’t met with calls for his head like back home in Tehran. We gave him a podium, we let him speak, we gave him major network coverage and he chose to make of himself… quite the ass.


Jesse
said

The purpose of universities are to educate their students. This isn't a free speech issue, this is an educational issue.

Can anyone answer what possible educational value does Ahmadinejad provide with statements like "we don't have homosexuals in Iran" ?

The Iranian studies prof. at Columbia university was against this speech because now he has to go to his class and address all the lies so that they can get a proper education.

Ms.M
said

As a professor and artist working for a university in this country, we have to ask ourselves why are people around the globe being attacked, condemned and thrown in jail for questioning the details of a historical event? And would denying or even questioning history be just cause for waging war against another nation? Facism arrives when free people are threatened into submission. Mahtma Ghandi said: Truth never hurts a just cause.

Kim
said

America, the land of the free, as long as you agree....

Loran
said

I have a suggestion to Mr. Ahmadinejad. The Chinese have a wonderful saying that I would like to quote to you. "It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." Perhaps we don't agree with his philosophy and values, but we should hear what he has to say. Otherwise how can we determine if he is a fool.

Uwe Warkholdt
said

Perhaps rather that viewing him as the "village idiot", I feel he might be swayed to our standards for human rights. That would be a start. Our cultures are so much different, and the "live and let live" attitude might be able to be driven home.

I do not understand how military action would resolve anything more than it has in Iraq. Perhaps dialogue may be the answer.


Alex H-S
said

I tried to look at this issue is an unbias mind and found myself taking sides right off the get-go.

I have talked to Holocause survivors, soldiers who imprisoned them, soldiers who freed them and German citizens who were force marched through the camps when they refused to believe what the allies accused them of supporting. The tears and pain in their eyes is not easily synthesized. With all the bad actors out there, I doubt such good ones would be out of work.

As for the Nuclear issue, I could care less if they're building their own nuclear weapons. Why worry about just those ones with the number of nuclear weapons in Ukraine and Kazakhstan that went missing after the fall of the Soviet Union. Besides, if anyone (and I do mean, ANYONE) uses a nuclear weapon in this day and age, the world will come down on them with little more than everything in existance. Hence why nuclear weapons have not been used in combat since 1945. VERY bad for international policy.

Ahmadinejad's calls for violence have me very worried though. Although most of the world is anti-American, he's also calling for the destruction of the Israeli state while suspected of allowing terrorists to operate within his boarders. People who say "leave them be" seem to forget about a man who was elected leader of Germany in 1932. He too blamed other countries for the suffering of this people and the loss of their way of life (although he was more justified in that). He also wished to solve the worlds problem by answering the "Jewish Question". The League of Nations (The UN's predecessor) did nothing to stop Germany's expansion and military development. Nothing happened until Hitler's unimpeded head got so big that he invaded Polland. At that point it was only a Military Alliance (much like to coallition in Afghanistan and Iraq) between Polland, France and Britain that the world acted. Due to the soft-spined quibbling of the greatest organization in the world tens of MILLIONS of people were killed.

The one constant throughout history is everything. History repeats itself until we choose to do something about it. I recomend starting by getting rid of the 5 permanent member of the UN Security Council. The five that are there are just like our politicians here in Canada. They will disagree with an issue as long as their opponent supports it.

Evil prevails when good men stand by and do nothing.

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