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Date: Tue. Sep. 18 2007 10:48 PM ET

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has called on Canada to maintain its military presence in Afghanistan after 2009, saying his country will fall into the hands of terrorists without Canada's help.

Karzai spoke to members of the Canadian media in Kabul, the Afghan capital, on Tuesday.

He told reporters he is aware of the controversy over Canada's military role, but said 2009 is fast approaching and Afghanistan won't be ready to take over security by the deadline.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has set February 2009 as a deadline for Canada to end its combat role unless consensus can be reached in the House of Commons to extend the mission.

"He was talking about what would happen if Canadian troops were to pull out in February of 2009," said CTV's Steve Chao in Kabul.

"He said that unequivocally it would mean that Afghanistan would fall back into anarchy -- that it would bring back the safe havens to terrorists and terrorists would be able to strike once again into the United States and Canada."

Karzai didn't set a timeline for when he believes Afghanistan will be ready to stand on its own feet.

Karzai said Canadian troops have made a major difference in southern Afghanistan, where most of their efforts have been focused.

"He says the last two years that they have been there, there has been a remarkable change in terms of the safety. And despite the insurgency he says that they are actually bringing education, bringing reconstruction, the things that Canadians most care about," Chao said.

Karzai also took a share in the responsibility, pledging that if Canada committed its troops to a longer stay in Afghanistan, he would personally work on ending corruption, rebuilding infrastructure and trying to bring good governance to the country.

He also sent a special message to Quebec. Karzai said he is aware that the debate over Canada's role in Afghanistan is perhaps most intense in Quebec, and he said the province's "sons and daughters" serving in there are accomplishing important work.

Nearly six years after helping topple the Taliban government, Canadians are still fighting and dying in Kandahar province.

"We have to have patience," said Karzai. "It's not going to be fixed in a day or two.''

Omar Samad, Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada, stressed in a CTV interview that Canadian troops have helped his forces protect civilians as well as pave the way for his people to reform the judiciary and other institutions

"We are focused on rebuilding the country," he said. "Hopefully Canadians will see over time that not only is Afghanistan a country that is moving forward, but that Canadian aid has helped and continues to help."

Samad also said that if it weren't for the deployment of Canadians, Kandahar would have fallen into Taliban hands.

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Canadian
said

Harldy words from a person that has an unbiased view of the US War on Terror. Like bin Laden, Karzai's dealings in business go back a long way with some of those currently in the White House administration.

Greenspan had it right intiailly, when he pointed out that operations in the Middle East are all about oil. How can anyone with a simple understanding of what is going on deny that fact? The US war on Terror is a farce.


Roger T
said

Mr. Karzai needs to step up and tell his people also. The Afghan people cannot rely on us Canadians longer as our gov't is wasting tax payers $$$. The $$$ should be spent on Canadians.

Donald Jones
said

Afghanistan has a problem in that the quantity of its poppy crop has increased, meaning that thousands of individuals will be subject to heroin's killing attributes. The crop is also bringing funds to our enemies. Why should Canadians stay in a country that allows for this to happen?


Craig
said

Here you have the DEMOCRATICALLY elected president of Afghanistan asking us to remain in the country. Secondly, we have thousands of Canadian soldiers stating how proud they are to help the Afghani people and how we NEED to stay to finish the job. And lastly we see the difference the Canadian presence has made in Afghanistan; elections, rebuilt schools, and new freedoms.

With all of this, how can people still be opposed to this war? How can people turn their backs on statements like this?

Support our troops by showing that you support the job they're doing! Let's heed Karzai's request and get the job done.


Hugh
said

Make no mistake about it. Canada will be in Afghanistan in some form well after February 2009, and rightly so.


Kris
said

I would tell Karzai that if he eradicates the production of opium by February 2009, then we will stay.

We cannot allow OUR countries finest to fight and die so that drug lords can continue to produce heroin that finances the attacks on our soldiers.

It's easy to sit back and say, "support the troops", however, actually supporting them by demanding action on the part of the Afghan government is the real way to to show support.


Melanie
said

Thank you, Craig .. I agree 100%

Catherine
said

It takes time to rebuild and create security. Canada made a commitment to the Afghan people and we need to keep our word or lose all respect as a country. We cannot allow the people, especially the women and children, to be once again subject to the harsh rule of the Taliban because we do not have the intestinal fortitude to finish the job.

Now that France is finally indicating that they may be willing to join their NATO allies in the southern part of Afghanistan it should help take some of the pressure off. However, there are no better soldiers in terms of both fighting and helping a nation rebuild than the Canadians -- a fact recognize by the international community but not by many Canadians.

RICHIE
said

Yea he doesn't have to worry about us leaving. It was pretty apparent at the beginning of this that we'd stay for a LONG time. The objective here isn't to win people, it's to hover until those resources dry up. And how about this, if you support this war, YOUR taxes can pay for it. Why is my neighborhood falling apart but I have to have my taxes spent on this?

Gabriel
said

Bullets won't kill ideas. Freedom isn't a law, it's a state of mind. Patroling in the cities of Afghanistan for X amount of years , and building schools won't bring freedom to this country. When is the last time you tried to change somebody? When is the last time it actually worked ? I'm affraid we won't be able to change hundred of years of history. We, as north american, are a total different 'animal' than this population. We are both really different, and I'm affraid we got ourselves into a war that has no end. I am in the military and I've done my second tour in Afghanistan.

Eleanor
said

I think its time for "other Nato troops" to step up to the plate and go to the dangerous areas of Afghanistan and give our noble troops a break.they can still help in less dangerous areas! the dangerous areas should not be completely left up to Canadian troops. All of nato should do their share, perhaps on a rotation basis! More could be done to eliminate the drug trade!

Paul
said

Karzai (who supposedly sat as a Director on a Bush company) should get his Bush family friends to support the war. Then they can continue to work together to get their oil pipeline in place.

I support our troops but not this war that will last for years.

Drew
said

A lot of Canadians are not seeing the bigger picture here. Go talk to the troops who have been there and seen it ask them what is going on.

Canadian Soldier
said

I often find humour in the ignorance of those that believe this war is about oil. Please tell me, how much oil does Afghanistan produce? As for the Poppy growth and production, I will agree that it must be closely monitored so that the opium produced is used only for medical purposes to support the Afghan economy, as opposed to the illicit production of heroin.

I am a Canadian Soldier. I have known, personally, several of the finest individuals this country has had to offer that gave their lives to the cause in Afghanistan. I therefore can say; we need to stay until the job is done, lest those brave soldiers lives be lost in vain. It is our responsibility as a developed, capable nation to help and protect the people of Afghanistan from the atrocities that have occurred there, and will occur again should we pull out prematurely.

IAN
said

I read about Afghani women now able to get educated and enjoy some of the freedoms women in our part of the world have always enjoyed. Why do so many here not want to help them to have those freedoms?

Evan G
said

Machiavelli said in his book "The Prince" that no government can last long when they rely on forces from other countries to prop them up. Karzai has two options: accelerate the pace of the creation of an internal security force, or eventually fall. Once the NATO forces begin to leave, Afghanistan will quickly revert to the anarchy that was in place before 2001. And I believe that before you can blame NATO, I think that a lot of the blame should be on the shoulders of the relatively ineffective Afgani government. Why is it the responsibility of countries like Canada to prop up Karzai, when it has been nearly 6 years since the NATO operation began?

GW
said

I'm torn between the two arguments. Is there any historical evidence to suggest that this type of mission can be succesful in the long term?


DG in Exeter
said

It's only going to get worse before it gets better. I am a firm supporter of our troops and our govt's position. However there needs to be some think tank work done here to end the quagmire and begin to make real progress. If I ran the circus (which you will be all glad I do not) I would cut the Taliban where it hurts. Burn the poppy fields, destroy them cutting their revenue source from the starting position to nothing. This way they cannot finance their arms purchases. This would normally be done at the bank level by freezing accounts, seizing property. If the NDP had their way we would be buying imported morphine (made from opium) funding and arming terrorists. Canada has a clear pivitol role to play however, Prime Minister Harper NEEDS to be true to his word and ALLOW Parliament to make the vote - the voice of the nation - a free vote based on constituency and not based on party politics. The vote will determine whether or not Canada remains in Afghanistan to assist or if it brings our troops home. Either way we've got to support our gov't and our troops - in the good times and in the bad times - life is not from the peak, it also has valleys and we walk through both together as a unified country.

Haseeb Afghani
said

The international community must have fired Karzai five years ago for failing to make even an inch of progress despite billions of dollars wasted and thousands of lives lost.

Karzai has no leadership and no knowledge of the country, let alone, he has no control beyond his presidential palace.

Mostly, he's on trips abroad asking others to help him while he himself hasn't moved ahead an inch.



Susan
said

Surely Karzai knows this is an NATO commitment. He is just making mischief trying to guilt Canada into propping him up. If he was a proper leader he would have said NATO needs to be there after 2009.

Terry
said

Someone writes a book and claims "it's about oil". Don't be fooled. Follow the money. But I do agree 'the war on terror' phrase is inaccurate. Let's go back to the root of the problem. The war is about the evil ideology of Islamic extremism. How soon we forget. And why don't we call it for what we are afraid to say it really is?


Sierra
said

Canada is one of the best places in the world to live. Afghanistan is one of the worst.

Yes there are issues with the inability of the Afghan government to deal with corruption and the drug trade, but Be Honest even our government has issues with corruption (Adscam anyone?), and drugs, (BC pot, meth labs etc). I think it's unrealistic to expect century old issues to be solved in 6 years.

Canada needs to help Afghanistan not because we want oil, or power, or national pride or all that other crap spouted off here, but because it's the right thing to do and 'cause we have the ability to help the regular citizens of Afganistan. Turning our backs on people just trying to get by because our philosophical morals are offended or cause we think the president to our south is an idiot is irresponsible and selfish.

Joe Green
said

As long as there are private contractors operating in Afghanistan, outside of the uniform code of military justice, Canada should withdraw with honour by our current deadline. I find it deeply disturbing reports that are surfacing that opium production is on the rise and these private contracting firms are profiting (IE: Halliburton & KBR) The Canadian Forces will meet its commitment and it's up to the Afghan people to train to stand on their own. I am not interested in sacrificing our soliders to help out corporations.


john g
said

I love the timing of this request. A day after Harper wipes the floor with the opposition parties in Quebec.

Who will vote to bring Harper down if he introduces a confidence motion to extend the Afghan mission? The Bloc? The Liberals? I don't think so after yesteday's debacle...


David
said

Historical evidence? Absolutely - check out the British operations in Malayasia (then Malaya) in the mid 1950's and their successes against the Chinese Communist-led insurgency there. Malaya may have well become a Viet Nam - we have to stay there and help get the job done - as Malaya was necessary in 1956 - so is Afghanistan today


dave
said

If the people of Afghanistan want to fight for their future, they will, which they have not done yet.

Some of the NATO countries that have contributed troops, need to commit COMBAT troops.

The militaries of the world make pretty darned poor social agencies.

Figure out what you need to do and get moving over there, time is short. Afghanistan is not worth one Canadian life.

Karzai needs to either pick it up a notch or get out of the way, as part of the problem.

Thomas Chan
said

It all comes down with MONEY! No money, no talk! Our military is already stretched, ill-equipped (not until recently, they received funding for upgrading some most needed weapons). How can we commit the Afghan Mission endlessly without a set timetable for the withdrawal of troops? The limits are there and you have to draw a line.


Paul Malouf
said

The opposition parties must table a motion in the House of Commons that will call upon the government to notify NATO and the Afghan government of Canada's intention to end the combat mission in February of 2009.

Canada's mission in Afghanistan will fail, as the following factors suggest:

1) Afghanistan’s embattled president, Hamid Karzai, recently said that security in his country had “definitely deteriorated.” A former national security official called it “a very diplomatic understatement.”

2) At least 20 Afghans were killed in two suicide bombings today. Such attacks are on the rise, with the Taliban carrying out “103 suicide bombings in Afghanistan in the first eight months of 2007, a 69% increase over the same period last yr.”

3) For the 2nd yr in a row, “Afghanistan produced record levels of opium in 2007,” led by a “staggering 45% increase in the Taliban stronghold of Helmand Province.”


Canada out of Afghanistan. Bring our troops home. Now.


Rod
said

'Canadian' I think you and others need a geography lesson! What oil does Afghanistan have? Some of you are confusing our presence in Afganistan with the American presence in Iraq. We are in Afghanistan as a result of a terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre where 24 fellow Canadians were killed by terroists trained in Afghanistan. Our previous Liberal PM was correct in going there and not into Iraq and our present Conservative PM is correct in staying there until Parliament can do the right thing and support finishing the job.

We need to stay the course and support the Afghans. We also need to put political pressure on them to reduce the opium trade or buy up the crop for medical use. Let's finish the job we started by doing it right!


CLEMENT
said

There are of course success stories about helping countries in trouble, GW. Canadian soldiers fought and died in Korea, and look what a prosperous country it is now (of course I mean South Korea). It looks really mean to me that some Canadians think it is a crime to spend money (and life) helping other countries in trouble. This is always the Canadian way as we fought in both World Wars and Korea.


Proud to be a Canadian
said

Canada has made an incredible difference in that country and it needs to be a part of our role as a nation to help get Afghanistan back on its feet.
We are a have country and we should help spread democracy around the world.
A great example of what we have done in Afghanistan to improve the standard there is that prior occupation 2 out of 10 little girls could go to elementary school, since then it is now up to about 8 out of 10.
The work our military is doing is incredibly valuable, and we need to get the job done.

Another Canadian Soldier
said

Could the people who have posted on this panel please explain to me where the oil is in Afghanistan? The last time I checked in the CIA World Handbook (which is on the net) there is no mention of oil production. Time for the people who say "War for Oil" to check their facts. This is a war on terrorisim,and the capture or death of Bin Laden, who was a "guest" of the Taliban. He was known to live at Tarnak Farm, and later in the caves built by the CIA for the Mujhadeen in Tora Bora. Leave the Canadian troops to get the job done!

49% made in China
said

This must be part of Harpers plan to try and win support for an extension. Government officals say they want to bring equal rights to women. How can this be if the Afghan constitution states that no law can be put in place that is in contradiction to Sharia law.


Ian
said

For the last 60 + years, Canada has relied on others to ensure its security. We have been lucky enough to have a Superpower as a neighbor, so we've allowed our military to be decimated to the point of near extinction. Times are changing and we are not so well insulated any more. Yes we can say, "we've done our part, let the other Nato allies contribute", but it doesn't appear that they will. If you stopped on the street to give CPR to someone, and nobody else stopped to help you after awhile, would you just get up and walk away while proudly proclaiming that you had done your part, and it was someone else's turn? We can criticize Harper all we want about the war, but the fact is that we were put there by the Liberals, and we can't back out of our committment, no matter how far away the whole war seems. It's really not as far away as you think though, is it?


Happy Canadian
said

My nephew has served, and his father (my brother) will be serving in Afghanistan shortly and is in contact with those serving there now.
Both tell of the great accomplishments of Canada's work in the area. Schools, roads, freedom, health care.
If the media would give equal time to the good stuff, maybe the questions would not be asked.
We must finish this work.


K
said

A lot of people are very quick to support the idea of Canada staying past 09'. How many of these people, other then the "true" soldiers that left comments, would sign up tomorrow, leave your family behind and go to Afghanistan to face the Taliban, face to face. I say let the "true" soldiers have a vote on the decision, it is their lives and their families we are debating! Support the Soldiers, Not the War...


Ray
said

No one wants to die! Ask our Canadian soldiers!
No one wants to put others at risk to establish rule of law and civil liberty which is the cornerstone of our constitution.
But there has been times in our history where we have had to stand up and defend these liberties. We could have backed off again during the Nazi invasion of Poland, during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, etc.
These wars created millions of deaths BUT what if we hadn't. What if we had folded after a few years of the Second WW, Korean War...what would the world be like? Would we have the freedoms we have now...I doubt it.
When you encounter evil, you can't hide or they will destroy your way of life and your liberties.
If you don't think Osama and Co. doesn't want to destroy us then you are like Chamberlain...believing he could negotiate with Hitler....good luck.
We should continue the fight for the Right!
Don't fold our tents and pack it up!
Oh Canada! We stand on guard for you!


Paul
said

Apparently the US Oil conglomerates and their European Allies (BP Oil) have not yet secured the necessary territory through Afgahnistan that is needed to build their oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Gulf.


Joe
said

There are other countries in Afghanistan that can replace Canada in the combat mission.

Nathan Brinkman
said

Oil has nothing to do with this (on the basis that Afghanistan doesn't produce oil)?
Come on. Are we so naive as to ignore the broader context?
A related thought: Wouldn't it be great if all the world's criminals & terrorists were gathered in convenient locations?
I currently have an investment in war. (I pay taxes.) I have *no* *freedom* of choice -- the investment is *forced* upon me.

A Soldier
said

A couple more thoughts from a serving Canadian Soldier:
1. Would you think any different of our role in Afghanistan if Sept 11th had happened in Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto or Halifax??
2. Have you talked to serving soldiers and how pround they are of the work they do?
3. Can someone identify a crime lord for an normal citizen? or from a Taliban? They all look the same. It takes time to learn.
I respectively request that you ask your local Media to report on the positive vice the negative aspects of the CF. There could be a daily journal for that, I am sure. And lastly I am sorry that politicians can not just say what we do there and why we should say, but then again they are looking after their job and not ours.

Katie M
said

Personally hearing stories from our soldiers about the progress made in Afghanistan, makes me support the mission 100%.
Canadians need to step back and stop worrying about the politicians, they have their own agendas here in Canada...listen to the soldiers, to the citizens in Afghanistan, and trust that they are telling you the truth. We're doing good things, but security and safety are required first. This takes time...it's not a quick fix. Have some patience and support the troops, for the mission THEY believe in, not the mission politicians are doing such a poor job explaining. The soldiers are there for the right reasons.

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