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Date: Mon. Sep. 17 2007 12:39 PM ET

Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory has lobbed a "grenade" into the education debate with his proposal to fund faith-based schools, Ontario Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty said Monday.

Speaking at a Catholic high school in Markham, Ont., north of Toronto, McGuinty said Tory's plan is woefully lacking in detail.

"I think Mr. Tory is showing bad judgment. I think good judgment determines that we stand up for publicly funded education," the Liberal leader charged.

"It's not time to turn back and to plunge our kids and our publicly funded system of education into more disruption, more turmoil, more cuts and more conflict."

McGuinty says Tory's proposal threatens the public education system because it would take $500 million a year out of public education and segregate students.

It was the first time during the campaign that McGuinty has visited a Catholic school. He said his "responsibility for the public interest," not his Catholicism, is determining his position on the issue.

"I want to make publicly funded education so excellent, so irresistible, that all those kids that find themselves in our private schools today will say, 'I want to go to a public school,''' he said.

McGuinty was scheduled to speak to a gathering of Ontario principals later Monday in the nearby suburb of Richmond Hill.

In an interview early Monday on an Ottawa radio station, Tory said McGuinty was once in favour of funding religious schools if they followed certain conditions.

Tory says the Liberal leader is speaking out against the proposal now because he is a political opportunist.

Tory is spending Monday campaigning in eastern Ontario, with stops in Ottawa, Nepean and Cornwall.

Campaigning in the Toronto area, New Democrat Leader Howard Hampton said his rivals are using the debate on faith-based schools as a smokescreen for most important education issue.

Hampton says the focus should be on the broken funding formula and the fact that parents are being forced to raise hundreds of millions of dollars a year to supplement government funding.

"When I go from community to community, what people are most concerned about is their neighbourhood school, what people want to see is that their neighbourhood school is well-funded, properly funded," he said.

Hampton says the Conservatives don't want to talk about it because former premier Mike Harris was the one that created the funding formula mess, and he says Liberals want to ignore the debate because McGuinty has broken a promise to fix the situation.

The NDP leader is promising an immediate review of the funding formula, if elected, and a Local Priorities Grant to give school boards $200 per student to address local needs.

With a report from CTV's Paul Bliss and files from The Canadian Press

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M. VanBuskirk
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Religion has no place in the public school system. The biggest error that has been made was to fund separate Catholic schools in the first place, and if the government is going to take any action at all, it ought to be STOPPING funding for all so-called faith-based schools.


lainey
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I am not always in agreement with Premier McGuinty, but I am on this issue. Public School is the best way to go as far as tax payers are concerned. When public funding was given to Catholic Schools, a huge mistake was made, and that is the reason all the other ethnic religions now feel they are a shoe in for public funding. My tax dollars say "this is wrong" and for that reason, Mr. McGuinty gets my vote.


David G
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What the??? Hey McGuinty - did you happen to hear about the UN's report card on Ontario's discrimnatory practice of a publically funded Catholic school system. Face it - we already have faith based schooling - I suppose though coming out and stating that you would lose those precious Catholic votes. Shame! Either make it fair for all or make it only public and eliminate the Catholic system - it's high time that someone like Tory and Hampton take strong stands against the system. I'm sick of my tax dollars funneling into a faith based system that exists that I do not share the same views on - make it fair for all by gettin off the fence!!!


Jerry
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So what makes the Catholics so special? It would appear that Mr McGuinty is a bit of a hyprocite since his kids attend the Separate school system. I'm all for public schools and non-segregation of our youth, however, if the province funds one religious based school, shouldn't they fund them all? Better yet, leave religion where it belongs, at home and in the churches. One system, for all students, fully funded and supported by all cultures and religions.


IAN
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Didn't McGuinty go to a publicly funded religious based school? (Catholic) Doesn't his wife teach at one? Why are Catholics more entitled than the rest of us whether that is Jewish, Muslim or whatever?


A.B.
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It's interesting that Premier McGuinty doesn't want to fund faith-based schools but is silent on Catholic schools receiving public funding. Like his promise to not raise taxes (when elected, HE DID JUST THAT!), I fear he will de-fund publicly funded Catholic schools and make one public system. ....

Eric
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Finally he came out and said it. Gvernment money for private faith-based schools is promoting segregation!!! This is the message that has to be driven home. Segregation breeds ignorance, which in-turn brings on intolerance. How can all the minority groups be in support of this, when, for years, they have been fighting for the exact opposite???


Laura
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What is it that this man does not understand about the "PUBLIC SCHOOL" system. How can you miss how understaffed, overcrowded, and for a better word unruly this system has become. I want my children to go to a school that teaches faith, god and trust. If I can possibly afford private, to help ensure their safety, that is a choice. It would be nice if the government got past the pretending their "PUBLIC SCHOOL" is an adequate facility for learning....

Emily
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Public School is the best way to go as far as tax payers are concerned. When public funding was given to Catholic Schools, a huge mistake was made, and that is the reason all the other ethnic religions now feel they are a shoe in for public funding. My tax dollars say "this is wrong" and for that reason, Mr. McGuinty gets my vote.



Peter
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It is my understanding that Catholic and Public School funding was agreed to as part of the solidification of confederation between French and English speaking Canada. if this is the case, then to dismantle the current system would be very complex albeit not undoable. However, let's not create a hornet's nest by funding what would invariably include all the fundamenatalist fringe elements.


Elizabeth Hale
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I completely agree. Specialized fundung for religious schools has got to go. Kids in the same neighbourhoods are being segregated based on religion and others are being bussed out of their community because they can't get into their local schools. I have no problem with a religion class being given at school - as long as they teach children a bit about ALL religions. ...

M Murphy
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McGuinty says he is afraid that funding other religious schools will lead to segregation of students and turmoil. Isn't that what having a separate Catholic system does? He talks as though there is not a separate Catholic system, as if it is one in the same as the public system.
The sad thing about it is that a lot of the public do not recognize the hypocrisy...

Terry
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As usual Dalton McGuinty is making a "mountain out of a mole hill" to pander to the voter. That's all the guy ever does, he tries to push emotional buttons to secure votes. Forget about his rhetoric, let his track record speak for itself.


Yoyoma
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Why doesn't CTV dig up the proof on McGuinty's flip-flop according to Tory? We keep hearing that McSquinty is hammering Tory, but why don't we see that Tory Proves McSquinty wrong? Dalton has to tow the line for the Teachers union, that's why.


Torrey
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Ian, your demonstration of McGuinty's hypocrisy is well found and often stated, but it misses the issue about the Catholic School. McGuinty doesn't have the authority, under the constitution, to cancel funding to Catholic schools it was part of the deal made with Lower Canada to meet their concerns about Francophone outside of Quebec during the run up to Confederation. While it is clearly not about that anymore, that doesn't validate your ad hominine.


Derek N
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"Speaking at a Catholic high school in Markham". McGuinty's location is the best counter to his position there is.


Linda
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It seems to me that if funding is there for Catholic schools,it should be there for other faiths as well. If you break down the money side of the equation, how difficult is it to send the money already being spent to the religious school rather than the public school? Would the cost per child not be the same?


mike london
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The notion of funding all faith based schools is so un-Canadian. It is also a complete mis-readying by John Tory on the mindset of the electorate. This idea will cost him the election.


Father Johnson C.S.B.
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The right of Canadians to a Catholic education is established in Section 93 of the BNA Act (now Constitution Act of 1867).

If other "Canadians" disagree with this right to Catholic education they can 'lobby' their MP to have the Constitution changed, which would entail having this amendment approved by Senate and House of Commons and two-thirds of the provinces (seven) having at least 50% of the population of all the provinces combined.


Jeffrey
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I can't help but notice that most of the comments hear are uninformed opinions. Your 'tax dollars' are allocated to Public or Seperate schools based on your choices. You property tax bill states where your taxes are disbursed. I'm sorry that most Canadians aren't aware of this. Perhaps they need to become more informed and concerned about the process of tax disbursement, than the end result of where there tax dollars end up.


Tiago
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I do not understand why people are so angry at a faith-based system. To me it does not seem to make any difference on the education that should be instilled into every student. The school curriculum is the same that of a "Public" school with one extra course of religion. Therefore, you still have your science, math, english class, etc, that make a well rounded student. ...

Bonnie Slaa
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When Manitoba finally started funding Catholic Schools, it was due to the fact that the Catholic Schools could have sued them for back pay all the way back to the 1800s. The other independent schools rode on their coat tails to get funding. The faith-based schools aren't asking for full funding. They are asking that their tax dollars be allowed to go to the schools that they ALREADY are sending their children to. This "segregation" nonsense hasn't proven true for all the years that faith-based schools have existed (at least 30 years) and hasn't shown itself in BC, Alberta and Manitoba who support faith-based schools and who do a better job in education - children who excel and score higher than ON students.


Mike
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Wow!! I am usually a die hard Conservative but I will NOT be voting for the Conservatives because of this issue. Religion has no place in our schools. I was apalled that Tory said Creationism can be taught along side Evolution. That is ridiculous!!


Rob Koppert
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Several years ago during the Mike Harris government the Human Rights commission ruled that Ontario was discriminating against private schools by not funding them. The Conservatives then decided to begin a program of tax credits for those who sent their kids to private schools. The Liberals promptly threw it out when they where elected. Now it has become an issue again. I have several questions related to this? Why does the government pick and choose which Human rights rulings to follow? Is the Catholic religion more equal than all the others that it deserves fully funded schools? Since the the public schools are pretty much atheist, shouldn't parents have a choice of the type of education they can get for their children? If the government is so concerned about finances then they ought to fund more private schools, these schools educate the students for significantly less dollars per child than the public system.
From a parent with children in both the public and the private systems.


LA
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If the government were to fund private schools, then they would also have the authority to enforce teaching contrary to the faiths of many of these schools. So why would we even WANT the support? Private school, and homeschool (which I choose)is a choice we as parents make to teach the way we believe to be best for our kids. The Catholic schools should NOT be funded, and this money put back into a decent public system.


Mark
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I love how 'this' has become the issue of the election.

NOT

Let's get back to McGuinty saying that he won't repeal the medicare tax. Let's get back to McGuinty's 'smart meters' which cost the buyer $200 and it's mandated in Ontario that they have to have one of these devices on their homes. Let's talk about the unmanned aerial vehicles which are now patrolling Toronto's skies. Let's talk about the energy deal McGuinty signed with Arnie which states that we can't even use Canadian fuel because it doesn't match the standards that are only available from Arnies buddies in California.

This church thing is a NON ISSUE and I'm ashamed to see CTV parroting this rhetoric


Chris
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Stop funding Catholic schools should be the issue. Talk about segregation! Religion has no place in schools other than brief educational purposes.


Samuel
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No religious schools not even Catholic ones should receive any public funding. School budgets are already stretched tight, with 20 year old textbooks (not an exaggeration in one case I know of, and inadequate supplies. Losing 500 million dollars, especially to fund religious schools is totally intolerable, and ethically wrong


Jim McB
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As a Maritimer what the people of Ontario choose to do is not within my purview. What I find fascinating is, that having listened to both sides of the argument from each of the proponents, is how Premier McGuinty has misrepresented Mr Tory's position. This is a common strategy of the Federal Liberals in parliament and in the media. It is a pity that the media does not often point out to their audience obvious bending of the truth. The media has a role in keeping politicians on the straight and narrow, but they don't seem to want to pursue it. Just imagine the impact of a story, where the attack of one politician on another based on misinformation, where the real facts were exposed in a non partisan manner.


Michael
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it is sad to read so many comments from people who do not appreciate Canadian history. If the founders of Canada had not compromised and allowed for a prostestant and a catholic school system Canada would never have come into being. One strong public school system is the way to go and while I do not see the Catholic system being eliminated anytime soon, I certainly do not support extending public funding to all religious schools. Everyone has the right to send their kids to private schools..But I'm sorry don't ask the taxpayer to fund it.


Nick
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I'm not into religion at all but can accept the social value of non-fanatical religious organizations but the premier is openly maintaining a principle of abject hypocracy. Find a way to provide support for them all, with provincial standards, or get religion out of the schools completely. There must be public government objectivity toward religion.


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