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Date: Fri. Aug. 24 2007 8:06 PM ET

Quebec provincial police on Friday defended the actions of three officers who posed as protesters during the North American Leaders' summit earlier this week in Montebello, but added there will be an internal investigation into their conduct. 

Authorities initially denied claims from protesters that officers had infiltrated their ranks but later acknowledged the three men were police officers.

They admitted the officers were undercover after footage of a confrontation between the men and Montebello demonstrators surfaced on the popular video sharing website YouTube.

Insp. Marcel Savard defended the three agents Friday at a news conference in Montreal, and insisted they were not there to provoke demonstrators.

"At no time did the officers in question engage in provocation or incite anyone to commit violent acts," said Savard.

He also said one of the officers was given a rock by protesters but the officer had no intention of using it.

"One of the extremists gave the rock to one of our police officers and he had a choice to make," Savard said.

"He was asked by extremists to throw the rock at the police, but never had any intention of using it."

The SQ did not answer questions on whether the RCMP was involved in the summit incident or whether the Quebec police received political orders to infiltrate the protesters. But the police force did say it will conduct its own internal investigation of the incident.

"If there are methods or procedures that need to be changed or adjusted, you can be reassured that will be done," said Savard.

Calls for inquiry

The Canadian Union of Public Employees is demanding an independent, public inquiry into police actions at the summit.

CUPE said Canadians have a right to ask whether their governments recognize and protect the right to demonstrate peacefully. The union said the provincial police's waffling on the issue has only further damaged its credibility to answer questions surrounding the incident.

Public Security Minister Stockwell Day, meanwhile, continued to brush of questions about a call for a public inquiry.

"The thing that was interesting in this particular incident, three people in question were spotted by protesters because were not engaging in violence," Day said Friday in Vancouver.

"They were being encouraged to throw rocks and they were not throwing rocks, it was the protesters who were throwing the rocks. That's the irony of this," said Day, adding the actions were substantiated by the video that he has seen of the protests.

"Because they were not engaging in violence, it was noted that they were probably not protesters. I think that's a bit of an indictment against the violent protesters."

A distraction

Earlier Friday, the union president who exposed undercover cops posing as protesters at the summit said the controversy is distracting the public from the real issue.

Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada, told CTV's Canada AM he's disappointed the controversy is shifting attention from the discussions that took place at the summit.

"One of the problems we're having here is it's taking away from the issue, why we were there," he said. "We were there to demonstrate that we are opposed to the (Security and Prosperity Partnership). This covers it all up."

Coles is shown in the YouTube video shot Monday from protests in Montebello accusing three masked protesters of being police.

At first he confronted the men because they were holding rocks and the line they were in was meant for peaceful protests.

"When I saw these three burly guys coming towards the line armed with rocks, I confronted them like I had others and immediately became apparent that these weren't protesters," he said. "They looked like police, they acted like police. I accused them of being police. You could see by their reaction in their eyes that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar."

In the video, Coles can be heard shouting and seen trying to pull down the masks from the men.

"Put down the rock, cop!" Coles is heard shouting in the video.

The men push towards the police line in the video and they are immediately pushed to the ground, arrested and taken away. Photographs taken by another protester shows the men on the ground wearing boots with the same emblem as the officers who are arresting them.

The police say their men were just trying to pinpoint the real troublemakers in Montebello.

After viewing the YouTube footage, security expert Martin Courcy told CTV Montreal he thought the Quebec police force was at best sloppy, and at worst dangerous, in their conduct.

"The masked officers are adding fuel to the fire instead of defusing the situation," said Courcy, who trains police forces on security issues.

But others, like retired Montreal police investigator Steve Roberts, told CTV the SQ did the right thing.

"They can't be burned on a job. So if they're with a group that's throwing rocks, they'll throw the rocks, too."

The two-day summit drew hundreds of protesters demonstrating against a number of issues.

Their main focus, however, was the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement that was set to be discussed by North American leaders, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, U.S. President George Bush and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon. The partnership would deeply integrate trade and security across the continent.

Critics argued the partnership would force Canada to relax its high standards for worker and food safety in the interest of securing a deal with the U.S. and Mexico where standards are often lower.

With a report from CTV Montreal's Stephane Giroux and files from The Canadian Press

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Timothy
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You must get David Coles in for a long interview in which he can explain the SPP, and CTV needs to uncover the facts about violent provocateurs at protests in Canada. Who are they? Who's behind it?


DERON
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So why was one of the officers carrying a rock if not to incite violence? Since when are police supposed to cause confrontation? What is going on in our country?


Deny
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Ok, so at first they couldn't respond, then they admitted that the men were indeed cops, but they say nothing about the rocks in their hands...

And after all the Harper-faithful blasted people on this very website for being left-wing nuts. You can't defend cops in plain clothes provoking violence.


Dan
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Once again everyone is concerned with the wrong issue. I am not a protester and in reality I am not even aware of the (Security and Prosperity Partnership) as much as I should be. The one thing that really makes me wonder is how can a guy like Steven Harper make deals on behalf of our country without checking with the voters? I mean this is what's wrong with this country why don't we get some legislation that makes political parties stay with the party platforms they were elected with? Why is it that they get power at whatever levels of goverment and do the opposite that they were elected for?

RICK
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OMG give David Coles a medal he spotted an undercover cop ... BIG DEAL ... People are stupid in crowds and have seen a few protests get ugly in Toronto .. most people there HAD NO CLUE what they were protesting except .. we get to yell and throw things at police ... They are there to protect and to serve .. Not only you but also the people you are trying to protest.. there may be one or 2 bad apples in the bunch but the only thing I saw was a bad disguise.

Christopher
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I'm so shocked and disappointed in this incident. What is happening to Canada? This has to be investigated and explained. I don't buy that they weren't there to incite violence.

Robert
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Whose order were they following? What are the identities of those involved..directly and indirectly...top to bottom?

Maurice
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If they were not agents provocateurs how do they explain the rock, the bandanna, the military look ???

sherry
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I believe that was the whole point of the undercover officers. To distract the public by enticing violence and shifting the attention from what the meetings were about. The press would much rather report on violence and undercover activity than on what's being discussed behind closed doors. And if these officers were not there to cause any violence, my question is the same, why then were they holding rocks? Why were they refusing to leave a peaceful protest line, and why were they masked. What's next Thought Police, it's only a matter of time...


paul malouf
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First: What I saw & heard before the video rolls!

As I was walking westward on 148 through the town of Montebello these 3 individuals were moving up route 148, going towards the main confrontation at the gates of the Chateau Montebello. They were confronted initially be the rouge/noir before the Crevier Gas Station on 148. The rouge/noir told them to backtrack, to go away, to get lost. The 3 individuals seemed perplexed at being outed. The 3 individuals veered off to the right, off of route 148, to the quiet 2nd line of police on route 323. They were then 100% outed by the union leaders & Council of Canadians.

Second: Thus the QPP statement today "The police officers were identified by demonstrators when they refused to throw projectiles" is 100% false.

Why you ask: because they were initially caught before the Crevier gas station by the rouge/noir. They were still over 1000 feet away from their primary target, 400 feet before the traffic lights. It would have been pointless to throw a rock towards the main police line - it would have fallen short! Otherwise they should be playing outfield for the Yankees. And if they were aiming for the 323 line, that would make them the best curve ball pitcher ever. 90 degrees.

Eric
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I don't think this is anything new having undercover cops amongst the protestors. Why were the cops carrying rocks is the question to be asked. But to immediately demand Stockwell Day to intervene is a bit absurd...This is a QPP and quebec gov't matter. They should be resolving this.

Matt
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I agree with Mr Coles that this is obscuring the issues of why they were peacefully protesting. I also agree that the tactic of placing some officers in the crowds to witness any crimes that may happen is prudent. But why not just put on a Polo shirt, some slacks, and just look normal. To gain anonymity they didn't need to put masks on.

Darren
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Any protesters that were arrested that day should sue the QPP for entrapment. These kinds of actions from police should not be tolerated.


Joe
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I've seen the video and I'm not surprised or offended by the tactics used. He had a rock in his hand? SO WHAT? He didn't throw it or use it did he?

There are plenty of examples of REAL anarchists, socialists etc. who go to these demonstrations to incite riots. Might as well try and identify them sooner rather than later.

The crowd wasn't exactly all that respecting of those three officers' space in the first place.


Ray
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Coles is changing his tune a little now. It was the anarchist type protesters who outed the officers to him, pointing out that they were police. Coles only fuelled the situation, by pulling on their masks and shouting, ultimately putting their safety at risk. My fury is not with the police or their tactics. I'm pissed because people like Coles take actions that force the government to spend millions on security for these events. No one really cares what they have to say....and I personally enjoy seeing one of them take a rubber bullet in the arse once in a while. If they REALLY feel the need to shoot their yaps off, please do it somewhere and in a manner that isn't costing me money.


Fabio
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I can’t believe I am seeing in Canada the same dirty tactics the US backed / runned Salvadorian government used on its people in the late seventies, early eighties.

Dozens of protesters died at the funeral of assassinated Monsignor Romero when police planted armed agents who posed as protesters and started shooting their guns and so give the police an excuse to fire into the crowd to “defend themselves”.

Whose brilliant idea was to copy this old fascist tactics of controlling people’s dissent? We are going backwards by imitating third world puppet repressive governments.


Josh Pankhurst
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Here's one theory, and the one I'm inclined to believe: The police were placed there to instigate violence in order to sway the media coverage from the issues to violent means of protesters. It's a hegemonic instrument to collectively dumb down consumers, er excuse me, citizens.

The less we know the better. If we knew that their intentions are completely disjointed with the reasons they were elected, there would be answers demanded. Unfortunately, the most common avenues for the public to demand the truth are also undermined by the same system.


Craig
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The rock was just a part of the disguise.

Coles is just using this story to get free advertising for himself. This would have been a non-issue if he would have just ignored the undercover cop and continued with his "peaceful" protest. But no, Coles had to ham it up for the camera, shouting and waving his arms so he could be on tv.


Po
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I love all these anti-protester comments coming out here... you guys do realize you sound exactly like the protesters you describe. If a regular protester (non-undercover cop) decides to approach a line of riot police with a rock in his hand, what happens? He gets tackled, beaten, maced and arrested (as he should). These cops approach the line and by doing so are enticing the other protesters to do the same.
As much as everyone would want it to be different, protests are ruled by mob mentality.


JR
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BRAVO!!! What a brilliant tactic by the Quebec Police to shift focus from the meetings. The person who ordered it should be given a raise. I see it as totally harmless (as was the case) and totally effective, besides who really listens to protesters anyway... you only hear about protests when things get out of hand.


Louis Subirana
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For anyone to suggest that this police action is in any way acceptable is absolutely stunning. Last time I checked, Canada is a democracy and citizens have the the right to protest.

How can anyone trust a word coming out of the mouths of the RCMP or the SQ? A situation like this, where they flat out lie for 2 days and then finally tell the "truth"? Is it the truth? Half-truth? Whatever it is, it cannot be trusted. My first reaction upon hearing that they lied: FIRE THEM. It's unacceptable that they can lie to the citizenry and get away with it.

Michael Le Couteru
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What we need to get down to is how much of this actually goes on and what we can do about it. This is nuts.

TJ
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Yep. let's focus on the fact that he had a rock in his hand. I'm sure no one else in the crowd had a rock in their hand, now did they? He was UNDERCOVER - it would add to the validity of his cover. Did he throw the rock? Did he hit someone with the rock? Did he do anything other than carry the rock?

Why were the police there and undercover? Don't know, but we should automatically assume that it was devious and underhanded, because the other civilians there with rocks in their hands were only carrying them for souvenirs?

If the tactic was to dissuade attention from the summit - it worked, mostly thanks to Mr. Coles, remember he's the one that outed them, which could have created a situation that would have made other officers react to protect the undercover officers.

Dean
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It's pretty obvious why they had rocks in their hands. THEY WERE UNDERCOVER! They probably thought by holding rocks and wearing bandanas, they would look less like cops. I guess that strategy didn't work, but I don't see any evidence of the cops trying to incite violence. Why are people so quick to jump on the "police are evil" conspiracy-bandwagon?


Jon
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I'm shocked anyone is actaully surprised that police would use these tactics, we should be more surprised if they didn't do things like this. Police do far more covert and grey things than this. I've worked with federal and provincial police and lets just say blending in with protesters is pretty mild compared to what goes on.


ChristinaBCCLA
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To Paul Malouf and other SPP attendees: witnesses wanted! Look up the B.C. Civil Liberties Association and get in touch so we can gather the evidence we need to make sure this wrong is righted.


John Haber
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OK I don't know about you guys but I would never in a million years walk around with a boulder the size of my hand right next to a line of riot police officers! Anybody who thinks those three guys weren't there to cause trouble is blind!


Michael
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The police were without a doubt being deceptive and dishonest.

UNACCEPTABLE - no ifs ands or buts!!

Now how about laying a few charges to those who ordered this deception and attempt to cause disorder among peaceful protestors?


Jordan
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This is a despicable act by a group that answers to no one. The police inciting violence at a peaceful protest highlights the need for a public watchdog group with access to not only police records but the planning and ongoings of what is being discussed behind closed doors at the SPP. What are these leaders, who marginally hold power in their respective countries, have to hide?


Andy
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First, I would expect that there be undercover police at such a demonstration. History has shown that there are people who need watching who have attended these. I would be disappointed if the police were not there undercover, and in fact think it would be a dereliction of duty.

That being said, I have NO idea why one of them would be carrying a rock. Was that suppose to enhance credibility? And to the undercover police who was wearing his hat crooked, where did he think he was, in the Bronx? Man, when your 6 feet tall and in shape and you wear your hat like that, you stick out like a sore thumb!

Angus Kelton
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One thind David Coles is correct on is that the focus is shifting away from the SECURITY AND PROSPERITY PARTNERSHIP. Don't be blind to this SPP, it isn't something that is going to be, it is happening right now. Canada has already relaxed their pesticide standards to integrate with US farming policy. Military control is also slowly being handed to the US. This continuation of NAFTA policy will see more resources (energy, water, lumber, oil...) dumped cheaply over the border. Our own level of rights and freedoms will degrade to US levels under the SPP. Want to pay through the nose for healthcare? SPP. The "amero" is the currency that will be used for the SPP. Devaluation of our spending power, way more expensive when travelling internationally, all so that the US elite can become more rich. The SPP is indentured servitude to the US, do not be fooled by it. It is happening now, and must be stopped. Do the research yourself, mainstream media won't.

Barry
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Come on folks. Don't be so naive. Of course the police should have infiltrated the demonstration. The reasons as such are to generate intelligence, identify the leaders and determine the mood of the crowd and its intentions.

Richard
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For anyone who thinks 'holding' the rocks was fine, even if they didn't throw them, please look up Mob Mentality. People will look around and see what other people are doing, and just join in on the 'fun' .. People will do alot of things they normally wouldn't do, just because they are in a mob. For the police to have rocks in their hands would incite others to have rocks in their hands, but they might not have the same kind of restraint as the police do when holding it, and might actually throw them. THAT, is inciting violence.

WB
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If an undercover cop incites a riot and protesters end up injured or killed, will the cops be arrested? Has our society devolved to where law enforcement can commit crimes under the guise of preventing crime?

I'm glad these fraudsters were exposed.


W. Wheeler
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What is disturbing to me as a citizen isn't the apparent decision by law enforcers to become law breakers. What is disturbing is it the predictability of such ill conceived notions. Place this event in the greater context of past events including the Mahar Arar case, the fairly recent events which led to the sacking of the RCMP commissionaire, CSIS/RCMP Air India fiasco, the 15 year old Canadian citizen/boy held in isolation in Guantanamo for the last 5 years... My god what has become of this nation!

Ian
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Let's look at this with an open mind and a bit of logic people.
-The police will often use undercover cops dressed like protesters in order to gather intelligence. They need to look the part even if that means grabbing a rock like the other protesters.
-Protesters who are about to throw a rock at police, don't go up to the front of the line. They stay way back in order to make an easy getaway.
-Things only got heated up when David Coles started telling everyone that they were cops, and tried to pull down their bandanas. Who was provoking whom?
-The police would not purposefully start a riot at the risk of injuring the public, not to mention their own people. Besides the police always get villified at these things, so why would they want the negative press.
-The only person who was trying to start a riot was David Coles by yelling that the 3 protesters were cops. He's lucky the anarchist types didn't turn on them.
-The police actually denied that they had placed "provocateurs" in the crowd, which was true. The 3 weren't "provocateurs" since their goal was not to provoke anything, but to watch.
-David Coles gave several interviews where he totally blamed the police for their actions, but now he says that he doesn't blame the police, but feels that the focus should have been on the reason for the protests.
-The police were being evasive because they are not in the business of divulging the undercover tactics that they use, for obvious reasons.

Instead of always being so anti-police and anti-authority, why not open your eyes and your minds and you'll see this for what it really was. An excercise in self serving fame seeking orchestrated by David Coles.

Cindy Loo Who
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"Just holding" a rock here is equivilant to "just holding" a gun during a bank robbery but not shooting anyone. The act of holding is, in itself, a serious crime due to the increased potential for disaster it creates ... and I have no doubt that rock would have been thrown if the cops hadn't been rooted out first.


Jason
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There needs to be a public inquiry into this incident, this is unacceptable behavior for the police in a democracy!

The SPP is all about absorbing Canada into the US and apparently we're already becoming a police state like our "friends" to the south.

The opposition should be demanding that the SPP be scrapped or at the very least debated and the details available to the public.

Harper said he was for "Open and Accountable" government when he was running, yet he's the most secretive and controlling PM.

Everyone write your MP's and demand democracy be restored in our nation before it's too late!

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