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Date: Thu. Aug. 23 2007 4:57 PM ET

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe has threatened to take down Stephen Harper's Conservative government in the fall, if the prime minister doesn't make a firm commitment to pull Canadian troops from Afghanistan by February 2009.

Harper has already implied he will not extend the mission beyond 2009 unless he has a consensus from the other parties.

But Duceppe said Thursday he wants an emergency debate on Canada's role in the Afghanistan once parliament resumes on Sept. 17.

His comments came one day after two soldiers from a Quebec regiment were killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan. The body of fallen soldier Pte. Simon Longtin also returned to Canada on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Liberal Opposition Leader Stephane Dion agreed that Harper should give NATO a firm statement on pulling troops from Afghanistan by February, but said he would not make "threats" like Duceppe.

"Everybody knows there's a possibility of a ... confidence vote where the government can be defeated," he told reporters at a news conference Thursday. "I'm not saying today that's what I want."

Dion added that he would like to wait and see what the government proposes in its throne speech, expected in the fall.

The Afghan mission has been under intense scrutiny this week -- especially in Quebec where support is typically low -- as the number of Canadian casualties in the military continued to increase.

"These latest victims in the Afghan conflict remind us of the dangers and the difficult conditions under which soldiers working in the theatre of war are exposed," said Duceppe.

More than 600 Quebec residents were polled for their views on the Afghan mission just before Longtin was killed and then again right after.

The survey showed the approval rating for the war dropped from 35 per cent before Longtin's death to 28 per cent.

In the first survey, 57 per cent said they disagreed with sending the Van Doos to Afghanistan. After the news of Longtin's death, that number jumped to 68 per cent.

Canada currently has more than 2,300 soldiers in Afghanistan with more than 1,100 from Quebec's Royal 22nd regiment.

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Mike D
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I am currently serving in Afghanistan and I was extremely angered when I read the comments of Mr. Duceppe. What makes the death of a Quebec soldier that much more inportant than any of the deaths prior. I think that this veiw is the way that they see them selves in Canada, a bit better than the rest of us. I'm sickened to think that all of our guys who have died in the past do not mean anything until someone from Quebec dies, a Canadian Forces death is a great loss to all of us and especially to the families and the proud nation of Canada. There has been 22 deaths since I haave arrived and when I do the ramp ceremony tonight, all I will feel is a great loss, not what province they were from. Mr Duceppe, I hope you go straight to hell.....

John
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As both a Quebecer and a member of the Forces, who has been to Afghanistan three times, I am disgusted with the comments of Mr. Duceppe. Yes, it is unfortunate we are receiving casualties, from all provinces, but to make the effort in bettering the lives of millions of people, the overwhelming majority of whom want us there, a ploy to "bring down the government" is to me morally reprehensible and one reason I will never vote for a member of this party.

Dennis L.
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So. Only one day after two soldiers from Quebec are killed, and already Duceppe is threatening to pull the plug on this government. Where was his haste when the other soldiers were killed?

If the Bloc wants to call an election so soon after the PQ was decimated during the Quebec Provincial election, so be it. This will be a great issue to go to the polls over. Since roughly half the electorate supports this mission, the Oppostion parties can fight over the other half that do not.

Marian
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Why doesn't he listen to the Royal 22nd when they say they are proud to be there and helping make a difference. Was he ready to 'topple' when the PPCLI were dying? What an irresponsible excuse he is - just a political opportunist !

Mike S
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Where was the outrage when it was English soldiers fighting and dying for Canada? They are part of Canada and Canada has decided to support the mission. While I feel for the families of the deceased soldiers, they are doing what they are trainded and paid to do, defend Canadian intrests and defend our country.

Larry
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It would be a mistake for Mr. Duceppe to try to topple the government simply because this mission is more unpopular in Quebec than the rest of Canada. He may gain some votes in his home province, but to try to force a pullout from Afghanistan will discredit our nation's commitment to helping that nation rebuild.

sherry
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I think that its unfortunate that it had to be until soldiers from Quebec started dying that our opposition parties have finally said enough is enough. How obvious that the rest of the country does not matter to this party. And while I am in full agreement that our troops need to get out of there, this is the ONLY area where I agree with the Bloc. The country is from coast to coast, and so are our men and women fighting overseas, not just from Quebec, ask anyone here in Edmonton who has lost a loved one or friend.

John Maguire
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Interesting how Duceppe threatens to bring down the government over the war in Afghanistan after soldiers from Quebec are killed. Where was he when the rest of our brave soldiers were killed?

DD
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Absolutely. The troops should be withdrawn in 2009. Canada has 4% of the population of NATO, yet we've consistently had roughly 10% of the troops in Afghanistan pretty well since it began six years ago. Other NATO nations have been sitting on their backsides while we take the brunt of the fighting. Some NATO nations have sent only a token few observers. Some won't even let their troops out at night. This is unacceptable!!

I understand fully (as a young veteran) that we must stand by our commitment to our Allies, but where are they??? Enough is enough. Bring them home in 2009 and let other nations in NATO take up the slack for the next few years.

This is not cutting and running. We can still provide observers. We can still provide training. We can still provide aid. If troops are required in 2014 then we can resume a rotation...a rotation that MUST involve ALL nations of NATO.

Mike
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This is just Duceppe trying to score political points in Quebec on the heels of the tragic loss of three soldiers. He knows very well that the P.M. has said that there will be a full debate on the mission in the house and if there is not a concensous to stay we will not do so. What a low class move to us this type of incident to your own benefit!

Todd
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I made a bet with a friend that once the Van Doos starting taking casualties we'd be out of Afghanistan. Looks like I'll be proven right. Too bad those brave men will have died in vain.

I don't understand how someone can say that they care about the Afghan people but not want to be involved in the military action. Unfortunately violent situations require someone with courage who's willing to fight for the duration and make sacrifices in order to bring the peace necessary BEFORE reconstruction. I'm all for a debate in the House, but if Canada withdraws let's not pretend we care...that much hypocrisy is sickening.

I wonder what Canada would do if another Hitler came into power? I know what Monsieurs Duceppe and Dion would do, but I hope the rest of us would have the courage to do the right thing.

E & E
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The media keep calling the Royal 22nd Reg as a Quebec Regiment. That is not so - the Royal 22nd is a Canadian Force, temporarily stationed in Quebec, supported by the Canadian taxpayer and is a regiment in the Canadian Armed Forces. Quebec, to my knowledge does not have an army and perhaps I should not comment further on that particular topic.

sfunk
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What price is freedom? Really, what is it worth to you? Is it only our freedom that is important? Would you lay yourself on the line to ensure that others around the globe had the same rights as you do? I did and still would. Don't all children deserve the freedoms and rights that ours have?

Kevin
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As a member of our Armed Forces who has seen combat in Afghanistan. I feel we should stay until the Afghanistan Army can secure the Country. I would hate to have seen my friends die for nothing. And if we leave before the job is done, that's what it would be.

Michael K
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The CF are traditionally peacekeepers and not a combat force. Mr. Harper needs to find alternative methods of obtaining brownie points in Washington.

julie
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Too bad O'Connor spilled the beans. I'm guessing the Van Doos were never meant to see combat action but they had to be committed once the plan became public.

michalina
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How sad, it is ok for soldiers other than French Canadians to die for Canada...what cowardice by the Quebec political leadership. The Vandoo Regiment is a proud regiment and let's keep it this way...they are fighting not only for Quebec but for Canada and the world.

Kevin
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The Van Doos are being specifically targeted because of Quebec's attitude towards the mission and the media feeding that attitude. I'm sure there are Taliban informants in Pakistan at an internet cafe reading the canadian news every day. Duceppe has just jepordized even more Quebec soldiers today.

Nelson
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Interesting how these clowns use the death of a soldier for political fodder. This guy should be ashamed of himself. While it is tragic whenever a soldier gives their life in the service of their country it is obscence when someone trys to use that tragedy for his own political gain. I don't live in his riding but his constituents should fire him out the door.

Ken
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I would vote for Duceppe before I'd ever vote for Harper. These soldiers are not dying for Canada, and they are not dying for Afghanistan - they are dying for Stephen Harper, and his precious friendship with GW Bush. Harper, grow a spine, and listen to the people of CANADA for a change, and bring our troops home!

Barb
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I agree with John, Here's my two cents worth not likely will ever get viewed. Why don't we have a vote by the troops only. They are the ones in danger not us. It's easy for us to sit back and throw blows at government.

Barb
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Raymond
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Harper has no backbone? Wrong, Troy. A spineless leader would have pulled troops out of Afghanistan long ago...

Duceppe's crass opportunism on the backs of dead Canadian soldiers is disgusting. Harper has already stated very clearly (and to the president of the United States, no less) that troops will be out by Feb/09, should parliament decide not to extend this mission.

Jim
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I think Clint Eastwood's character said it best: "Go ahead, make my day." Surely Mr Duceppe must be bluffing. If he isn't, it will be interesting to watch Dion's party backtrack and avoid an election at all costs.

Clark
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Didn't Harper take the public position in June that troops will come home in Feb. 09 unless the House of Commons dictates otherwise? I don't think he'll have a majority so what more can be done at this time?

Raymond
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Sorry...should read Feb 09. My mistake.

ray

CG
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Alas, we see the true colour of a few contributors of this article. Not blood red but Liberal red and NDP orange. I ask that they stop and think of those that have put forth their life for others and stop trying to topple a government over those that chose to go there, remember that this is a volunteer force in Afghanistan not a conscripted one.

Regardless of what you think of Harper’s government Duceppe’s comments are cheap and come on the back of those who have died in Afghanistan and shame on those that support him.

Todd
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Good point DD...the other NATO allies aren't doing their share to support the American and Candian troops. They definitely need to step up to the plate, but we shouldn't quit the game as you suggest. If radical American extremists were attacking into Quebec I'm willing to bet Duceppe would want the whole world fighting to keep his people safe.

Barry
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I find it particularly disgusting that Duceppe is threatening to bring down the gov't now that 3 Quebec based soldiers have been killed.
We didn't hear anything from him when 67 other soldiers died (maybe because they weren't from Quebec?)
Canada is finally fulfilling it's obligation to NATO and is becoming once again a respected military force,as it was in years past.
People like Duceppe, Layton, for purely political reasons, want to relegate Canada back to irrelevency.

GrandPa was a VanDoo
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E & E,
You are correct that the R22eR is not a 'Quebec' Regiment, but it is officially a 'French-Canadian' Regiment. Always has been.

Look at the R22eR crest.

But if you want to pick nits, your use of 'Royal 22nd Regiment' is also officially incorrect. Only the French language form is officially recognized.

Arif
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66 Canadian gave their lives for this mission before the last three soldiers from Quebec and we didn't hear a word from Mr. Duceppe, Why is he so worried now about the mission and threatens to topple the goverment?

Zhimmy
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What else do you expect from Duccepe. He is a Separatist! He was probably glad to see any solider that supports Canada (whether from Quebec or the rest of Canada) come home in body bags.

But I can tell you this. Duccepe is not smart on how he is handling this. Because I am sure that the Taliban are reading this site! They are thinking, "Here is how we win!"

Hey, what does Duceppe care if a few more Canadians/Quebecers come home in a body bag. Anything to advance his notion of nationhood forward.

How low can you go Duceppe?

Jay
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I sincerely hope that a seperatist with zero credibility in his own party is not able to topple one of the most effective Canadian governments we've had in a long time.

Fred
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Wow once again I am embarrassed to be a Quebecois... I can't wait for the next election to watch the downfall of BQ which will be very sweet after seeing the PQ get hammered. There is no doubt in my mind Harper will have his majority because no matter how much the people in Quebec hate Duceppe they hate Dion even more and lets face it he doesn't really have the communication skills to appeal in the rest of Canada... The Conservatives will they be in power for a very long time and I hope they keep up the good work!!!

Gis
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First, I'm not even sure why the BQ are even in Ottawa. With 4 parties with decent amount of seats for each, the BQ won't go to far.

I agree with the previous writers. Is a (French) Quebec soldier worth more than others? Where was he when the previous 60+ soldiers died?

He cares nothing about anyone else.

We will end up with another election. This time, the Conservatives won't do as well because there is no sponsorship issue - just the government's mistakes.

Can the BQ even afford another election so soon?

peter
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Lives are lives no matter which province they come from. This war was a mistake and I'm happy to see that someone is stepping up and asking for a commitment from the government. It's time the other leaders stand up for their troops and show that they really do care.

Jim
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Safer spots, away from the front... boy oh boy am I ever glad the Canadian population doesn't make military policy.

It's a volunteer force people, no one was drafted! If the people doing the heavy slogging think it's a worthwhile mission then support them and their mission!

Christiane Whynott CD
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Mr.Duceppe ! As a quebecer and a former member (retired) of the Armed Forces your comment appalled and embarassed me as a French speaking canadian. You are basically saying an english life is less than a French speaking life.. You are using a situation to further your agenda. I'm am disgusted and ashamed to be seeing and perceived as a quebecer if I'm to be compared to someone like you....When I pledge allegiance it stated CANADIAN Armed forces and the CANADIAN flag was by my side..never was the fleur-de-lys involved..until then the 22ieme regiment will be and always will be a Canadian Armed Forces regiment...

JW
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Many people made the point that Duceppe made no threats about toppling the minority government until three soldiers from Quebec were killed. But what many people seem to be forgetting is the PQ is a Quebec party in a national legislator. The intent of the party is Quebec's interest alone and always will be. So it makes perfect sense that nothing was said until people from Quebec died. Therefore, this threat is not a tool for political gain it is merely following party`s platform.

Shawn
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Interesting... I once heard this very riveting phrase which I believe to be very true... "Evil Can Only Prevail If Good Men Do Nothing"

If you enjoy your freedom folks... and the freedom of speech... next time you see a solider... THANK THEM!!

Ross
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I believe this sends such a bad message to the rest of the country Mr. Duceppe. We need to make a firm committment, whatever it is, and see it through. This takes time. I honestly dislike this kind of politicking.
I am returning to the Forces soon and I totally understand the global strategy for being in Afghanistan, where I will be heading.

Wilf K
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There seems to be a common thread to the comments here, which I would echo. Mr. Duceppe's blatant opportunism is thoroughly reprehensible! As others have said - where was his sorrow, when non-Quebec based soldiers were dying for our country? They're just as much Canadians, as those based in Quebec! (Long may that be true!) He is only seizing what he sees as an opportunity, to try gaining some (for him) precious political points. I hope this backfires on him, and he gets booted out!!

Lorne B.
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I think it's evident that NATO has no political clout anymore, as the reason they can't get the troop commitment in hot zones from other countries (i.e. Europe) is the fear of political backlash in those countries. NATO needs to press the ultimatum: If you want to be a part of NATO, you need to pull your weight. Threaten expulsion of countries from NATO, then maybe the lopsided efforts of Canadian soldiers won't be as necessary.

Don
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When Canadian soldiers from other provinces died, he did not make that threat. Now that soldiers from Quebec have died, now he threatens to take down the government. We don't belong there, I agree. But don't place higher importance on soldiers from Quebec than the rest of Canada Mr. Duceppe

Jim
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My heartfelt thanks to Mr Duceppe for showing English Canada just what Quebec thinks of us. We can die, and they make a little noise. As soon as some of them start to die, its a whole other matter.

Perhaps this will be the impetous needed to get the traitorous Bloc out of Ottawa.

I personally don't like Harper's government, but you can be sure that I'll vote for him if the election is called because of this.

To ALL our soldiers - English, French, or anyone else brave enough to put on the uniform: Thank you

asdfghjkl
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Sorry Ladies and Gentleman, but I ask the question, where are the Canadian leaders? All these guys are garbage. Non of them (especially the opposition) have any idea what goes on outside the country, they are only interested in one thing...getting elected and staying elected..they dont care about what is good for Canada, its image overseas, its commitments or the Afghani people.

Trent
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This message is for Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe; The VanDoo's of the R22eR are a very proud and committed regiment. I have had the privilege of working with several former members of this regiment. I can tell you that they are very proud of being French-CANADIAN and are willing to lay their lives on the line so that future Canadians will be safe from the Taliban and other threats. "Mr. Doucette, if you are not willing to stand behind the R22eR of Quebec, please; feel free to stand in front of one."

RG
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I agree with the majority. Why topple Harper when soldiers from Quebec died? I feel for their families as do many Canadians.
I wish that some day Quebec will realize that they are part of Canada! I am currently living in Quebec and hate the way this province is run. I am here because of my spouse.

Jeff Atkins
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War is horrible and it is as natural as the cry of a newborn baby. Canadian soldiers have shown over and over again that they are courageous, determined, skilled and tough. Canadian soldiers have fought war many times over the last 130 years and they have killed the enemy by the tens of thousands. They have fought and they have won. We will stay in Afganistan, we will fight and we will win. RMC'71

Dan Schmalz
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I'm sick and tired of Duceppe and Dion whining, instead of trying to bring the Government down, try supporting our Troops. Your whining must really demoralize our brave men and women of Our Armed Forces. Support them and quit bickering about the mission. After all Our Armed Forces, like our Police Officers, knew the risks when they joined.

Lauranna C.
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Michael K. should review his history concerning the CF being "traditionally peacekeepers" and not a combat force. I'm sure those who fought and died in WWI, WWII, and Korea would disagree. And most serving members of the CF, my husband included, would also disagree. As well, traditional "peacekeeping," as designed by Pearson, does not work.

ShawnKC
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Someone mentioned that Canadian Forces are traditionally peacekeepers and not a combat force. What hogwash.

What most Canadians don't understand is that the true purpose of our military is to fight wars.

And to top it off, most Canadians don't even understand the nature of peacekeeping.

Been there and done it, now selling the T shirts.

Paul MacPhail
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John & Kevin, thanks for serving. Considering the positive results that your efforts have been producing, I think we owe you a great deal of gratitude. Unfortunately, every so often someone like Michael K comes along and wastes the rights earned by our veterans to excersize free speech. Unlike the Afghanis before this conflict, we have all been priveleged in having a right to an education, regardless of religion or ethnicity. Isn't it incredible how easily some people waste that opportunity once they finish grade 12 (or 13)?
Perhaps if you run into Michael K or someone like him you can point them to the nearest library so that they can look up the history of our armed forces. Trivial little events like World War 1 and 2 seem to be lost on them. One of our fiercest enemies of the last century was the German army, both in WW1 & WW2. When Hitler referred to our soldiers as the toughest he'd ever seen, do you suppose he was referring to our peace-keeping efforts in Italy or at Juno Beach? Anyway, thanks again to your service to our country. God bless and take care.

Dennis L. Krahn
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All you folks who are writing in berating Stephen Harper are just as boorish as Duceppe; you are using the deaths of brave young men and women who had the courage to follow orders to publish your political views.

Gilles Duceppe is way out of line to threaten to pull support for the government at this time. Mr. Duceppe should have done this long before any member of our military forces died if he is that passionate about the issue.

Dennis L.
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"I would vote for Duceppe before I'd ever vote for Harper. These soldiers are not dying for Canada, and they are not dying for Afghanistan - they are dying for Stephen Harper, and his precious friendship with GW Bush."

====================

Wrong Ken, they are dying for all of us and to bring freedom to a country where their citizens cry out for it.

How many times does it have to be hammered into the heads of people like you? How many times does it have to be said? This has nothing to do with George Bush.

ONCE AGAIN, we are in Afghanistan at the invitation of the Afghani government on a mission sanctioned by NATO and the United Nations. The fact that you would vote for a seperatist that is silent when other Canadian soldiers die, but suddenly has a lot to say when its soldiers from Quebec over a Prime Minister that has done more for our military than all the Liberal PMs in 40 years says a lot about you.

Quebec
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What everyone seems to be forgetting is that Duceppe doesn't care about Canada.

He only cares about Québec.

Jim Dayton
said
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I fail to understand why the Afghan army is not first down the road, let them lead and suffer some of the casualties.

Rick Muscant
said
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Once again we see the true nature of Gilles Duceppe and the BQ; A disgusting display of playing "dirty politics" when our Armed Forces are in harms way. Are only Quebec soldiers worthy about concern?

Mcpl. Akpata TFA Roto 3
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I just got home from Afghanistan as part of Roto 3. I am disgusted with this position. But what can you expect from a party who's goal is to break up the country as we know it. People love that we have freedoms in this country but no one expects to pay for it any more. Thousands have gone before us and we owe a debt. Everyone wants a quick fix. It is unfortunate that my (English) soldiers did not rate Mr. Duceppe's attention.

Buddy Kat
said
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Good for him...Everyone with a half brain and a history book knows the Afghan war is a losing battle and all these soldiers (69) have indeed died in vane.
A bloody shame ..thank you Stevey

Steve
said
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I was in Dieppe for the 65th Anniversary. Many soldiers from Quebec died on the shores of France to free that country. What is different about Afghanistan?

Neil Thompson
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FINALLY we have a leader who will stand up for US!! Canadians don't support WAR we don't support TERROR and we don't support Torture!

Get the hell out of afghanistan and lets stop pretending the conservative governments in North America are anything but fascists. Neo-Con's lying to us while they divide our countries into more economically managable chunks.

I hope I can vote Duceppe, I'm not even in Quebec and I want him as PM. That's how easy it is to be a good man... Stop playing the corporate conservative game and be a man like my late grandfather. He would die before he let fascism come to Canada. Serve your country, stop these criminals in power.

Dmitri
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Canadians are dying in vain trying to fight the battle they can't win. It's not their battle to start with. I side with Mr. Duceppe on this issue, although toppling the government may not be the right answer (Tories will likely emerge with another minority). For the record, I support Mr. Harper on most issues, except for Afghanistan.

Derek
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Why is every death met with the same rehtoric about reexamining the mission and the usual empty political threats. We're bsaically telling the military no matter how much prgoress they make, or battles they win, if you suffer a loss its a failure in the eye of the public. That's not exceptable, that's unnecessary and unwarranted stress on the troops and the mission. There's plenty more stories in Afghanistan that highlight the mission, doesn't anyone else wonder why the operation isnt mentioned in the media between deaths, are your foreign correspondents only paid to write obituaries?

Terry Roberts
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What makes the deaths of the soldiers from Quebec any different from those outside Quebec? I did not hear Duceppe say he wanted to bring down the government when many soldiers from Edmonton and Petawawa were killed. Besides his inconsideration for the troops, we are paying for his separtist's views. If there were a draft, Duceppe would be off hiding in the Quebec woods.

Jill
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I was waiting for this. Duceppe aiming for political gain on the backs of our soldiers.Pretty much like Taliban Jack. I hope this sincerely back fires on him. Shame he does this, he is so predictable.
I saw how much our men and women have done over there, on CBC last night. I wish Duceppe had watched.

Devon K.
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I am really embarrassed not only by the actions of Mr. Duceppe but by the actions of many of my fellow Canadians. The people of Afghanistan have been terrorized and tormented for decades now. We and a few other countries, notably the UK and the US, are the only ones willing to give them a chance to enjoy the freedoms we have. They were liberated barely 6 years ago. They still need our help. We stayed in Cyprus for decades. We have had people in various African nations for years at a time. We've had people in Haiti. Of all the people in the world these are truly some of the most needy.

To pull out now as a means to make a point to some of our so-called allies is to literally throw these people to the wolves.

Chuck
said
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Seems like the PQ party have become the "Cut and Run" party just like the democrats in the U.S. What a bunch of lilly livered cowards!!

Craig
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Being an ex Patricia, I am happy to hear the support for the regiment. As for the media, lets get away from the "Famed Vandoos". The RCR, PPCLI, R22er, Support and Reserve units are all "Famed Units". Enough of the political posturing Mr. Duceppe. I did not hear you threaten to topple the government when Royals, Patricias, medics and reservists were killed.

Taylor E.
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Duceppe said in December that he would introduce a confidence motion on Afghanistan when Parliament returned. And he never did it so how we can be sure that he'll do it this time.

Mike
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We lose people on the highways every year put i don't hear about closing the highways or people not driveing. Why don't we just let the soldiers do their jobs and stand behind them.

J. Smith
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This is simply another instance of Quebec wanting all of the benefits of our federation without having to do the work or follow the rules. We have several Forces bases in Quebec that are filled with Quebecois soldiers. As soon as it's their turn to go overseas, Mr. Duceppe steps up his calls for a withdrawal. What a disgrace! If Mr. Duceppe doesn't want Quebecors to go overseas then perhaps he should argue for the relocation of all Quebec-located military bases to other 'willing' provinces. I'd like to emphasize that I imagine that many of our Quebecois soldiers are proud to serve Canada both here and abroad.

Hugh
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Firstly, I have noted that every story I've read & heard about the 2 latest deaths (including this one) have indicated they are both from the R22R when, in fact, one of them is R22R and the other is medical corps. I guess this helps the media to "whip Quebecers into a frenzy". Secondly, with allies like Duceppe and Layton, the Taliban has their "useful idiots" sitting in our Parliament. I think we can expect intensified attacks on Quebec based soldiers because there are some of the enemy who can comprehend public opinion. When they eventually arrive on our shores, radical islamists will probably find a very strange sight. Millions of citizens with their heads in the sand and their backsides positioned to receive a swift kick.

damien
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I do not support Duceppe, but in all fairness, he has been for pulling the plug on a combat role in Afghanistan for a long time now. Personally I support the mission and know that the soldiers are making a real difference in the lives and futures of the Afghan people. If we have to pull out of the combat role because of lack of support at home so be it, but it will be a shame. Like the USSR before us, embarrased by a well equipped, well trained, and devoted band of religious extremists ready to die for their cause. The message is we care, but not to make sure you win.

Marcus
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Politicians who use the death of soldiers to jockey for a better political position should realize there career ended three months ago.

Hey Duceppe, the world needs plenty of waiters.

Lana
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Excuse me but is everyone forgetting the simple fact that these are military members. They know the risk before they go over and what makes the French unit any more special that the English people??? Let's put it in Mr. Duceppes terms...65+ English military to 3 French Military lost over there so far...I don't think he has a right to comment yet...When you're in the military - you're a soldier first. End of story. Language shouldn't enter into the picture. The last time I checked - we were all CANADIANS. The military shouldn't have a double set of standards just because you live in a certain area of the country. By the way, I am a FRENCH Canadian currently serving in the military so I think I can speak on this subject with a bit of experience....

Mike
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I understand that Canadian soldiers have died for what they believe in. By toppling the government will not change anything. The Liberals put the military into Afghanistan and then they vote against the mission. The Bloc well what can be said. They didn't care when other soldiers died but when they are from the Van Doos then they care. It is a typical Bloc movement. Let's support our troops and allow them to do what they are trained for. The government should be praised for standing their ground on this issue. Remember what the military has done in Afghanistan for the good of all people.

Jesse
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Obviously the PQ are nothing more than political opportunists. I politically support the opposition but the PQ has got to go. They have no place in federal issues. If the province of Quebec has concerns let the Premier of Quebec voice them. Charest and his supporters will never have a real voice in the Government of Canada, unless we have a minority government. This is a once in a lifetime chance for the PQ to get national attention.

Stand Fast
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Nice to see some whimsical PROVINCIAL party wants to screw the rest of the country into the ground.

Sean Calder
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Well, looks like Mssr. Deuceppe has kicked off yet another firestorm. Only difference, this one is coming back at him.

I understand that the BQ is only interested in Quebec and is happy to let the rest of Canada go hang, unless that position takes opportunity away from Quebec. However, not only is his blatant hypocracy in poor taste, it's a heinous insult to Canada and all of our Military Forces, both within and without Quebec.

I believe that this single incident is proof enough that the BQ needs to be drummed out of Federal Politics once and for all. In fact, I'd love to see the Canadian Forces be the ones to escort them out of Ottawa.

I can't express how insulted and disgusted I am with this. There just are no words.

Turk
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I am disgusted that politicians use a soldier's death to score political cheap points. I am also disgusted that we would abandon our allies in Afghanistan. I'm sure that had we received an attack such as 9/11 i don't think we would appreciate our American allies wanting to withdrawal their troops either. The selfishness is disgusting.

S. McDermott
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Duceppe's timing might be "good politics" to some but is an insult to both the soldiers who have died, and their friends who are still deployed. Its like he's saying its ok for other soldiers to die but not Quebecers. I'm sure French soldiers don't see it that way, and neither do I.

Ann McDonald
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Shame on people that politicize the deaths of our citizens and use it for their own political gain.
I wonder if any of these politicians, Duceppe included, would be yelling as loudly had these soldiers died trying to bring peace to Darfur. Where were all these bleeding hearts when our soldiers were dying in Bosnia? What about the brave Canadian soldiers who have died or been wounded on other missions around the world, or right here in Canada? Does nobody care about them?
*As the wife of a soldier, I say this: To me, whether my husband and members of my "family" die in Afghanistan,Bosnia, Haiti, Darfur, or trying to rescue a civilian in peril right here in Canada, matters not.
*They died doing what Canada asked of them.

Doug
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The Canadian military has long been well respected world wide. They are a proud group, brave enough to stand up to any conflict they have been involved in. Whether we agree with the mission or not,for Duceppe to use the death of any of these soldiers for political gain is disgusting.

Maybe Duceppe and his followers should be given a portion of Quebec and their independence, without our social programs, financial aid, resources or the assistance of the "Canadian Military". At least then we could close the border and not have to deal with them.

Eric
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As a member of the Forces and someone who has been involved with families of both fallen and injured soldiers, I find the current debate about Afghanistan a bit unbalanced.
Perhaps our leaders could debate and find solutions for the many fine Canadian citizens that are killed and injured in traffic accidents and workplace each and everyday here at home. Each one of those victim's families suffer as much as the soldier's families and friends.
Soldiers know the risks involved and have chosen to accept that risk, let us work to protect the lives of all Canadians, not just our troops.

kevin plemel
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1st off, I am incredibly proud of the Canadian armed forces. I have family that has toured in Afghanistan, and twice in Bosnia, Lebanon and always worry for him. 2nd, Canada has NOT been Jack Layton's "Blue Barret" These theaters are violent and dangerous. It is not peace "keeping" and never has been. It is peace "making"
The Liberals sent us to this front, we have a commitment that our forces are proud to keep. Make an effort to talk to our soldiers before you condemn the government, and are too quick to withdraw our men and women. This will leave a country's people open to slaughter, and make our countryman's sacrifices in vain. That is not the Canada I want to live in.

Kris
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What a lot of your are forgetting is that Gilles has stated repeatedly (and I think its quite obvious) that he is only looking out for Quebec's interests. That's why there was no fuss when it was ON, AB, BC, etc. soldiers sacrificing their lives for freedom.

That being said, to call for withdrawal after casualities makes our country look like wussies - which we are defintely not! To Mr. Duceppe I say: either support the mission or don't. Don't wait until a few soldiers make the ultimate sacrifice and then come out shout you want immediate withdrawl.

That just reeks of political opportunism. And I hate that smell!

Mark Erwin
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Mr. Duceppe will bring down the government because we've suffered 3 casualties from Quebec? Casualties from the rest of Canada don't matter? Is that the take-home message Mr. Duceppe?

Je me souviens sir.

Joe Green
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My deepest condolences to the families of our fallen soldiers. It is to them that we as a nation owe our deepest gratitude for what will be a heavy sacrifice for Canada.

Mr. Duceppe has shown himself to be classless with his arrogant bravado. The soldiers are not even buried and the families had time to mourn and this man is politicizing their loss.

Our forces are doing a magnificent job. Well done.

To all Van Doos, my deepest condolences.

Sincerely,
Joseph Green

Paul Morin
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Yet another example of a politician standing on the backs of our dead to elevate himself and his party. Between this and the idiotic handgun debate I have no further respect for politicians.

Don
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As proud Canadian and proud of ALL our troops who are risking their lives, I am ashamed of Mr. Duceppes' remarks and timing. As a leader in our Country, he should resign.

M Jackson
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If a police officer is killed fighting the war on crime and drugs in a city do you pull out all the police and hope the problem goes away?

P. Schroeder
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Mr Duccepe should show some respect. Respect for the tragedy of the fallen soldiers and their families. Every soldier's family is saddened and frightened by every loss of a soldier's life. These tragic losses should not be used for his political gain.

Louise
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What about all the other soldiers who have gone before? This smacks of "Quebec" first rather than the good of the country! The families of those soldiers who are there right now, have been there or will be there need support - not this crap!

Jay
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Whoever believes we're fighting for freedom and democracy in Afghanistan is very ill informed. The only reason we're in Afghanistan is because it's relatively safe to fight there as opposed to North Korea, China, Kazakstan, Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc (places with real thugs in charge). It makes right wingers feel like tough guys beating on a rag tag bunch like the Taliban (as opposed to taking the fight against real threats). As for the politicians, who isn't playing politics and pandering to there base. Duceppe is doing what comes natural to all politicians.

Lindsay
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Quebec is an important part of our country, as is each province....we are one! Anyone who wants to divide the country over an emotional issue as this should be recognized for what they are...a desperate politician! Nobody is happy with Canadians (or anybody in this conflict) dying but these are new times...we can't bury our heads in the sand!

Robert
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Ah politics as usual - after a summer off, the boys on the hill are anxious to get back to the House of Commons two-step - this is all about political posturing. The Liberals sent our troops to Afganistan in the first place and they have been worrying about how this all plays out among the Canadian populace. The seperatists see this as an opportunity to gain votes among the majority of Quebecers who oppose our involvement in Afganistan. Unfortunately, Canada continues to be a land "deep set in adolescence" and the majority of Canadians will not see the duplicity of both the seperatists and the Liberals for what it is.

bert
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I really have to laugh at the number of people who keep saying Canada was always a peacekeeping nation. When was the last time we were in a peacekeeping role? Not the Korean war, not the first world war, not the second world war. Our soldiers are trained for combat, not snow removal...

Mike McNally
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I'd like to bring up something that's being overlooked here. Just how many of these deaths were preventable?
All we keep hearing about are soldiers being blown up by roadside bombs; and while nobody is questioning their courage and professionalism, the vast majority of these soldiers are dying in transit, not combat.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Brian Mulroney for selling our entire fleet of Chinook helicopters to the Netherlands when he was in power.
Funny, the Netherlands has troops (and probably "our" helicopters as well) in Afghanistan on one of those sweetheart public relations missions we keep hearing about, while our men and women are being blown up on a lonely road somewhere trying to make their country proud. Nice.

Steve
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As a member of the Forces, I too have been to Afghanistan. Where was Mr Duceppe when non-French members went overseas. This is just a scheme to obtain needed support for the Bloc, which will fail. I fully support the Mr Harper and the requirement to be in Afghanistan

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