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Date: Wed. Aug. 22 2007 11:07 PM ET

The RCMP and Quebec police force have denied allegations their officers posed as protesters to try to provoke peaceful demonstrators at the recent Montebello summit.

"I confirm (to) you that there is no agents provocateurs in the Surete du Quebec... It doesn't exist in the Surete du Quebec," spokesperson Const. Melanie Larouche told The Canadian Press.

RCMP Cpl. Luc Bessette said the Mounties do "not use tactics that would encourage confrontation or incite violence."

A video posted on YouTube from Monday's protests in Montebello, Que. shows Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada (CEP) President Dave Coles in a confrontation with three masked men who appear to be protesters.

"I accused them of being police, and every time I yelled at them that they were police, you could tell by their facial expressions that they were really troubled," Coles told CTV Newsnet Wednesday.

He added that the men "weren't young kids off the streets, they were there to deliberately cause trouble, to give the police a chance to try and get rid of these young kids that were exercising their right to protest peacefully."

In the video, Coles and other protesters tell the men to take off their masks. One of the three men is holding a rock and Coles tells him to move because their line is meant for peaceful protesters.

"These three guys are cops, everybody!" Coles can be heard shouting to the crowd as he tries to pull down their bandanas.

The three men then push their way into the police line and appear to be arrested, then taken away.

In the video, Coles claims the men were sent as provocateurs to give the police an excuse to move in on demonstrators.

"I looked him in his eye and said 'You're a cop aren't you?' and his eyes just glazed right up," Coles tells a crowd in the video.

Photographs taken by another protester show the three men lying on the ground with the soles of their boots adorned by yellow octagons. A police officer kneeling beside the men appears to have the same imprint on his boot.

The imprint appears to be the Vibram boots logo. Earlier reports had suggested it was a yellow triangle signifying Canadian Standards Association-approved footwear.

Police have confirmed that only four protesters, not the men in the video, were arrested during the summit.

"But we see very clearly in that video three (other) men being arrested . . . How do (police) account for these three people being taken in, being arrested? Where did they go?" veteran protester Jaggi Singh asked CP Tuesday.

"I have no hesitation in saying they were police agents... and they were caught red-handed."

Despite denials from both the RCMP and Quebec police, Liberal justice critic Marlene Jennings said the evidence is "quite incriminating" and told them to "clear this up."

Meanwhile, New Democrat MP Libby Davies said the video raises "hugely serious questions" about how police act at international meetings.

"It seems like they create this environment, a show of force, that sets it up for a confrontation,'' said Libby who protested at the summit.

"I think we need to know who authorized this, how high up does this go?"

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, U.S. President George Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon, wrapped up the summit Tuesday.

Many activists were protesting what they perceived a lack of transparency surrounding the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) process.

The two-year-old framework is being used to pursue greater trade and security integration between the three countries.

While a group of top business executives got the chance to make a presentation to the three leaders on Tuesday, no such invitation was extended to environmental or social activists.

Critics claim the SPP is a 'super-NAFTA' that will result in stolen jobs and an erosion of freedoms.

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Doug
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Yellow triangles on boots makes them police officers? Give me a break. I have a blue shirt at home, so I must be a cop too. I would love to see the QPP prove that these men were not cops, and litigate the CEP and Dave Coles for defamation. You need more proof than that, Mr. Coles. On the other hand, if these were really police officers, inciting riots, then they should be fire with cause, and the QPP should be explaining. Nothing says that there can't be undercover police officers in that group.


Dana
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Oh yeah, they're cops.

Ask yourself this: what odds would you give that all these cops and these three supposed 'protestors' would all be wearing the same boots, with the same tread, showing similar patterns of wear, on the day they all meet for the first time in a town where none of them live?

Million to one? Billion?

They're cops.


Graham
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We'll see where to the investigation leads... but if proven true..what would be the motivation to stage this deceptive act to provoke the protesters ?? Makes one wonder whom is behind playing puppeteer.


Doug
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Dana,

No where does it say same pattern of wear. The yellow triangle typical indicates that it is a steel-toed boot, which a metal shank running down the sole .... Next, QPP would by default be there at the summit. So this actually makes the odds quite good. If I was going to protest, I'd certainly wear steel-toed/steel shanked boots. I on the other hand am not a hippie, so I don't protest. (I vote, and so should you, but educate yourself first).


IAN
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Union people, 'veteran protestors', and others with a vested interest are not to be believed, period.

luke
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If this turns out to be true, I"ll be appalled.

After seeing the video on youtube, it is suspicious. Not the boots, but how the protesters, police and 'protesters' interacted.

Michael Le Couteur
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Whether or not their boots had the same symbol isn't proof enough but does raise suspicions. Instead study the video and see the communication between the alleged protester and the storm trooper. It looks like a "please get me outa here before I get killed" than a push to get through the police line.

John
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Thanks, AW! I see now... I guess I'm a cop too, I have the same pair of boots at home!!! They're CAT brand steel-toed boots, available at Mark's Work Warehouse, Wal-Mart, Canadian Tire, etc etc....

Lukie
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Most safety shoes have symbols on the outside, to indicate the protection the shoe offers. Examples are:

Green Triangle indicates that it is a class 1 toe cap with puncture resistant sole.
Yellow Triangle indicates that it is a class 2 toe cap with puncture resistant sole.
No Triangle indicates that there is no toe cap.
White Square (with ohm symbol) indicates electrical protection.
Yellow Square(with SD) indicates anti-static protection.
Red Square(with C) indicates electrically conductive.
Fir Tree indicates protection against chain-saws.


A. Bica
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Coincidences are very rare so the odds do really favour that these were cops. Why would they pose as protesters? Because they have an agenda too and that is to discredit the protesters.

Chris
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The boots are Vibram boots.

http://www.vibram.com/

The odds that all three "protesters" would be wearing identical, standard issue police boots instead of, say, Doc Martens are...?

Sean
said
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Those who are casually dismissing the claims that these three "protesters" are police obviously haven't watched the video. As mentioned already, the interaction is far more damning than the boots (though the boot markings are pretty suspicious).


Marc
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Doug, A green triangle is the CSA standard to mark steel toe and steel shank boots. The yellow marking is most likely a brand label.

It doesn't prove anything that they are cops just that they are wearing similar footwear.


Rob
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.... in a TRUE democracy protesters have a right to be seen and heard, if you respect our freedoms you should be worried when protesters are being treated like our cattle.


Ron K
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Do check out the high resolution picture of the "arrest" on the CUPE site.
It is generally misreported that they are "yellow triangles" on the boots. No,it is actually yellow rectangles with beveled corners meaning Vibram soles which they all have--including the cops. Two of the "protesters" also have identical cop Vibram tread patterns ,(model #134AR) with the cops "For police and firefighters". One of the protesters tries to disguise his boots with paint and duct tape.
But the clincher is that these "arrested" masked guys with carrying weapons (rocks and sticks) are not charged with anything and disappear whereas other, real protesters, are arrested and charged.


Rob
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The triangles are one thing and yes it can mean something or not but did everyone read the entire article. The most important thing is where are these guys we all seen them arrested and police have stated they arrested four people of which none were those 3. Now that's the most suspicious thing to think about. I hope that this story is wrong but it makes you think.


Paul
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Actually, other than the yellow triangles, I don't think the soles of the boots of the protesters looked the same as the polices' at all. If you look closely at the tread marks in the mid section of the sole, there's a noticeable difference between them... at least to me.


Dude from Ottawa
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Police often go under cover...drug busts and so on, but to say they where there in incite trouble....give me a break! They where likely there (if it's true!) to find out what the protesters had in mind and I have no problems with that. ...

Gary
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Well lets see where the investigation goes but...its normal for the police to have informants in the crowd to glean info etc but to have them incite a riot..well that goes wayyyyyyy beyond proper police action...

M.A. Dawg
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Think maybe the cops had infiltrators in the crowd in order to monitor and collect intelligence? why does everyone assume if they were cops that they had malicious intent?


Craig
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Either way, who cares.

If the "real" protesters didn't get violent or cause problems, they wouldn't be bothered by the police.

But they started to throw things and start fires so naturally, they were stopped.


David
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And the problem is??? If the police need to infiltrate I say go for it.


Al
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If they were cops, they were undercover (except for the boots) and had a right to be there, this protest turned violent a few times and I can't blame the cops if they put someone in their midst to find out who was inciting the violence. Does anyone here really believe that the police had a meeting to see how they could provoke the protesters to become violent? What would be the point of that, you people see conspiracy everywhere.


john
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So these police officers (who are often attacked by groups of protesters) placed some of there own in the group to try and determine who the troublemakers are? sounds like a good idea to me.


Jim
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The boots do make it suspicious, but doesnt mean they're cops.

BUT, the fact that 3 men are clearly arrested, and yet the police reports 4 arrests, 2 men and 2 women, does pretty much tell you that they were cops (if they're behaviour in the video didnt already tell you that).


Chris
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Why do the three "protestors" in question appear so much older and more solidly built than the other teen-aged masked protestors?

Why does the one "protestor" clearly have a conversation with the police officer next to the wall?

Why do the three "protestors" simply surrender themselves into police custody. What real protestor does that?

Why were they not arrested and charged for crossing police lines?

If Mr. Coles chooses to charge the "protestor" who shoved him with assault, will the police release the identity of the man? They surely must have identified all three men after having taken them into custody (standard check for warrants). That is, if they're not actually police officers...




Candice
said
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Has anyone even stopped to consider that it was a ploy by the police to state that they are serious about having a zero-tolerance policy? They stage it like this and show that they WILL arrest if you push them to!?


Roman Pearce
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In addition to the photo, check out the video. These people were "arrested" in a very bizarre way. People start calling them cops and they seem to really want to get out of the crowd. And they were never booked! In addition to giving police an excuse to tear gas students, union leaders, and grannies alike, the story on the news becomes "police clash with protestors" - a manufactured truth. People are much less likely to hear why these people were there, what the issues are, etc, and if by chance those things are reported or discussed, the guy on the street will remember the rock throwers and tear gas and think "how are those people legitimate ?"

If the allegations are true (and I've seen nothing to refute them), then the police aren't doing police work, and this is a very serious problem.


Dan
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The fact that the authorities are not denying the allegations is very telling. Here comes another costly inquiry due to RCMP incompetence.


Mark Conners
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Doug, you are so naive! Police do this all the time to create havoc among protesters and give them cause to beat up on them. Where have you been, are you a shill for the police, probably? We live in a police state and these characters and whoever gave the order to incite a riot should be prosecuted!


Fidel Fuentes
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I marched with the Blac Bloc in 01' at the 'Summit of the Americas' which was there to protect demonstrators and NOT to start riots as the media has alleged in the past. This is why, they stand aside or in back. Back then as in Seattle and then later on in Quebec, they would only react after seeing innocent people tear-gassed and fired on. If these individuals are NOT police officers, what are their names...

CC
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I have posted a high-res copy of the appropriate picture, showing how the boots in question are absolutely identical here:

http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2007/08/read-it-and-weep-baby.html

Now, what are the odds of that? Go on, give it some thought. Try not to strain yourself.


Bruce Martin
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These 3 guys having the same boots as the police is a coincidence.

These 3 guys showing up out of the blue, knowing no one else in the crowd, is coincidence.

These 3 guys all wanting to cause trouble which apparently no one else wants is coincidence.

These 3 guys being able to easily push their way through a line of riot police, one after the other, is coincidence.

All these coincidences together at the same time...?



Richard
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These professional protesters don't need to be discredited anymore than they already are.
The only good thing about having the protesters at the summit was that it got them out of their parents' basements.


Steve
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Far more interesting is the fact that CEP leaders were involved in the protest, and in a McCarthy-esque manner trying to "out" the spies.

Tells you all you need to know about these unions, and their underlying mentality


Jill
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I have no time for unions. Even less now I know they know a cop when they umm, see one.

wes
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They weren't cops!!! They were commie, tree hugging, left wing pinkos the NDP type. They just unfortunately got caught wearing the wrong boots.


Vince M.
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So given that the protest itself was a complete fizzle the only thing left is "Hey, we're being spied on!"

Has anyone considered maybe they were protesters trying to portray themselves as cops under cover? Like the man said, you can't trust unions, period.


Hugh
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I have a pair of yellow triangle boots as do all 3 of my sons. I am going to take this opportunity to confess that we are the 4 persons in the picture. None of us are police officers. Has someone faked this picture?


A Minnesotan
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Greetings, Great Northern Neighbours! They are indeed Vibram boots. I own boots that are very similiar. They were military issued, so the tread is different. These styles of boots are primarily sold contractually for military/police force supply needs and specs.

The "protestors" and their body language
screamed of authoritarian training as well. I have seen a lot of cops/military in my life. My Dad has been law enforcement all of my life, and of my 28 years only 9 non-consecutive years have been as a bona-fide civilian outside of the military.
Well, welcome to love American style!


Colin
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People are correct in saying that the boots can be bought by anyone and are for sale at many retailors based on the yellow markings. It would be more interesting to show that the boots are the same style and with similar duct tape on a number of boots and both on police and the protestors and top protection for the foot.If you watch the video it is interesting to see three protestors go against all other protestors and the police, even the protestors that are similar in dress do not support these three. The point of keeping your face covered is so that you are not identified by the authorities. It would seem a little strange to push to get arrested given the effort to hide their identity. The conversation of the protestor nearest the police is having an interesting conversation with police and even moving the shield aside. This same man just before being arrested actually goes by the front line of the police with no trouble. The man holding a rock(weapon)is no concern to the police even when he pushes against them??
As some one with first hand experience on both sides of protest and picket lines, it is a fact that part of the crowd control process for police is to have undercover officers within the crowd. The problem would be the attempt to escalate violence or aggression, the old TV would call this "intrapment" and is currently is a practice under question in other practices were the have people charged for talking themselves up to undercover police and being used as a confession. I have no doubt that they are police but should not be making an effort to escalate violence this puts a number of people at risk of harm on both sides. Protesting is a civil right of the people!


Carson
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The protestors were supposed to stay in the designated protesting zones. They broke the rules, and if those guys are proven to be cops, then I believe that the police were fully warranted in doing it.


Richie Vanderlubbe
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I've seen the picture and it is not entirely clear that all 3 of the men's boots are the same, however, two of them have similar boots to police. The fact that they weren't arrested is quite suspect. Along with the fact that the RCMP won't comment. Are you really surprised though people? While you've been stuffing yourself with Paris Hilton and Canadian Idol the New World Order has been closing the deal. Smarten up. www.infowars.com


Kris
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It's quite obvious from the way the supposed "protesters" behaved that they were not legitimate protesters. I guess I agree with Stephen Harper that the protests were "sad", but for different reasons.

We are supposed to be in Afghanistan promoting and fighting for freedom - which includes the right to protest. How do you think this makes Canada look?


Mark
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The QPP and RCMP have long had a reputation for breaking the laws to their own advantage. Using "agents provocateurs" has been a tactic of the police for many years. OF COURSE THEY ARE COPS. But nothing will happen. We have seen this type of lawless behavious far too often from the authorities. Nothing changes.


Glenn.
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As a former Police Officer there is little doubt theses 3 were and are police officers. Get off the boots it doesn't matter. When the 3 were challanged they made there way to the police line and i'm sure were telling the uniforms to arrest them for there own protection. Real protesters wouldn't be afraid of that peaceful crowd. Only police officers would be uncomfortable with that crowd. Well done our police being used as goons by OUR Govt.


Joseph
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Doug, instead of focusing on the weakest piece of evidence here (the boots), you should be wondering why there is no record of the men being arrested. Furthermore, you should be wondering why they were allowed to continue wearing their disguises as they were led away, which is unheard of police practice as far as I know. Finally, everyone here should watch the video. I'm not sure why CTV didn't link to it. Watch as the three men start to realize that they are being accused of being undercover cops... they say nothing, except for the one man in the back who leans over and exchanges a few words with one of the riot cops. Then, suddenly, three men who had been holding stones and getting ready to cause trouble suddenly walk peacefully right into the police line and are led away.

Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow


McKingford
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It's the video that is the compelling evidence that they are police. Look at the one apparently talking to the police, and then the three are let through the line and "arrested". Even though these are supposedly provocative anarchists, they don't resist the arrest at all.

Most significantly, they are led away still sporting their masks. There is no way on earth that the police would conduct a legitimate arrest and leave the person masked.


Jeff
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Well, that's not surprising...seeing as how the leaders wouldn't even accept a petition from citizens about the SPP. They just want to try to make true patriots out to be criminals whenever they can, however they can, with whoever they can convince to go along with them. We've been lied to about so much...terrorism, 9/11, Iraq, Free Trade...it's no surprise that our own government would stoop to this.

Harper dismissed the protests as "Sad". I dismiss this as sad.

Just watch what they try to pull next. It'll make this seem like nothing.

Charlie
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Who cares?


Chris
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While the idea that the police might plant some undercover cops among the protesters to monitor the situation is reasonable, I'd like everyone defending the police on these grounds to answer this question:

Why is the undercover cop the ONLY protester with a weapon?

Watch the video again.

No other protesters have any rocks, bottles, sticks or other potential weapons except signs, banners and flags.

So then he does not need the rock to blend in with the other protesters. He's the only one. In fact, he's doing the opposite of blending. He's making himself more conspicuous. Who would ever do this if their goal is to remain hidden and unknown?

If they're just undercover to keep an eye on the situation, that's one thing. But it sure look like he's getting ready to start trouble by chucking rocks at the police line and start a riot.

And if the police were going to start a riot here, what about other riots and previous violence at Montebello? Were these also instigated by police?

Lee
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Of course they are cops. You can see that from the video, and the boots just confirm it. And there's no question that the police were trying to start violence, since one of them was carrying a rock and was asked by the protesters to drop it.

What bothers me most are the authoritarian comments posted above. Apparently it is OK with these people if the police try to engineer it so that peaceful protesters get beaten up for exercising their civil rights. There's a name for that: fascism.

Jiminey
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Quite frankly I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe the protestors should do something a bit more productive with their lives.


C. Farley
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this is far from being the first time a summit of international leaders was to have 'alleged under policing agents' induce violent reactions from police & protestors...do your research...just this time it appears the protestors didn't fall for it like previous G8 summits etc....good job CTV, keep covering this until resolved, it may be bigger & more important than people let on.

Winnipeg
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What is most disturbing is what the unions are doing at a summit of world leaders.

What is this union's secret agenda? Why didn't they invite other people to their protest? What are the unions trying to hide about their objective? Why so much concern about police over-hearing their plans?

John
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Even if they were cops, did this guy Coles ever stop to think what could have happened if the crowd decided to turn on these alleged "provocateurs"? If he thought they were cops, should he have shouted from the rooftops like he did? The police don't have their "people" infiltrate these protest groups in order to start a riot, people! They implant them to gather intelligence about any possible trouble brewing among the protesters, who are there for the sole purpose of causing trouble! In my mind, Coles himself was trying to incite something.

Richard
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Okay, let's go over a few things. First off, I agree with those who say "get off the boots". The boots are (possibly) similar to police issue boots. Big deal. That's not proof.

As for the police having undercover agents within the crowd, again big deal. Considering that each and every large-scaled protest has turned violent in some way shape and form, it would be irresponsible for the police to not have undercover agents there.

Then there are those who say "Look. They talk to the cops, and then are taken into the police line. Obviously, they're cops." If the three were cops, then this behaviour is self-explainatory. If they're not, though, they're behaviour still makes sense. They've just been accused of being cops! They're surrounded by people hostile to cops, and they're being manhandled in order to pull down their masks. If I was a protester, I'd be asking the cops to protect me, too.

The fact is, people, there is no proof yet of anything. You are willing to believe that the cops are deliberately (and incompetently) provoking violence on the unsubstantiated word of someone who is already hostile to a cop presence. Would you take the unsubstantiated word of this guy if he accused someone you knew of stealing, or assaulting someone on the street? If not, then why are you believing him now before there is any proof of any wrongdoing?

Mickey
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Go to http://www.vibram.us/products/ and click on the police and fire URL. Same boots worn by cops and "protesters." It's an exact match. The yellow oval or triangle is Vibram's logo.

Stef
said
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Anyone see the video? The 3 guys were arrested before the protestors beat them, it was getting intense. But the claim of them being provokers, possible. However, they got the 5 star treatment when they got arrested.

Matt
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We can see the numbers on the riot helmets that the police are wearing. Shouldn't it be easy to identify that single officer and get a straight answer about what the guy actually said to get him and his 2 buddies let past the line while carrying rocks and wearing masks. They were let through, and then 'arrested', but no record of that shows up. It totally stinks to me.


Fred
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If the Police used this tactic, they are guilty of entrapment.

I have another problem with the protesters, however - if you want to protest, DO NOT wear a mask. The mask is the sign of a thug and many people (myself included) ignore everything you say and want you locked up.

Mark
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I can see some of you need to read your labour history. This is a common tactic to use in picket lines. Union busters have done things like this for decades.


DERON
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I am a small-c conservative. Still, after watching how the police interacted with those three masked men and the way they allowed the men to keep their masks on while they led them away, I would bet my next paycheck that they were cops. No, I am not an acvtivist. No I am not anti-police. No, I am not pro-union, or a left wing commie. However, I find it very hard to believe that the police would allow those men to remain masked.

Thomas
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The police were there to prevent the same kind of violence that occurred at all those other protests before cameras indicting police became ubiquitous.


Loogie
said
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1 person wearing the same footwear as the cops is coincidence but all 3 is compelling.

Also when 'outed' they made a bee-line for police line.

They were conscious of the camera when buddy tried to remove their masks.

NO QUESTION - they are cops!


Ian O'Shaughnessy
said
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Here are pictures of the protesters being arrested with the same boots..

http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello.jpg

http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello1.jpg


Ian O'Shaughnessy
said
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Here are pictures of the protesters being arrested with the same boots..

http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello.jpg

http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello1.jpg


gary hartman
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What is fluorescent spray-paint and duct tape doing on one of the provocateurs' boots, you know, the VERY SAME KIND OF BOOTS THE POLICE WEAR? The "protesters" with the ROCKS and the MASKS with POLICE BOOTS who get "arrested" and who are never heard from again?

emy
said
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Those 3 weren't protesters.

They were hardcore "kids."
Fakes. Good one QPP, you sure messed up that one.


Qev
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I'm honestly not sure why anyone would be surprised by or disbelieving of this sort of behaviour from the police. They do this all the time in the United States, sadly.


Bill OReilly
said
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Watch the video for yourselves on YouTube; it's clear that these three men were agents provocateurs trying to give the police an excuse to attack the protestors. The strategy is centuries-old, read up on some history.

Why were there no environmental organizations invited to the SPP meetings? Why no labour organizations? No citizens' coalitions? Why only 30 major CEOs and 3 government heads-of-state? Why were these meetings not recorded and released to the public so we can know what they are up to?



Paul
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Forget the boots.

As damning as they might be there's enough surplus around to explain it.

BUT WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY?

If they where arrested, they must have names, lawyers, and other details, and if they wheren't arrested, clearly they where either police, or working for the police.





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