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Date: Wed. Aug. 22 2007 11:07 PM ET
The RCMP and Quebec police force have denied allegations their officers posed as protesters to try to provoke peaceful demonstrators at the recent Montebello summit.
"I confirm (to) you that there is no agents provocateurs in the Surete du Quebec... It doesn't exist in the Surete du Quebec," spokesperson Const. Melanie Larouche told The Canadian Press.
RCMP Cpl. Luc Bessette said the Mounties do "not use tactics that would encourage confrontation or incite violence."
A video posted on YouTube from Monday's protests in Montebello, Que. shows Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada (CEP) President Dave Coles in a confrontation with three masked men who appear to be protesters.
"I accused them of being police, and every time I yelled at them that they were police, you could tell by their facial expressions that they were really troubled," Coles told CTV Newsnet Wednesday.
He added that the men "weren't young kids off the streets, they were there to deliberately cause trouble, to give the police a chance to try and get rid of these young kids that were exercising their right to protest peacefully."
In the video, Coles and other protesters tell the men to take off their masks. One of the three men is holding a rock and Coles tells him to move because their line is meant for peaceful protesters.
"These three guys are cops, everybody!" Coles can be heard shouting to the crowd as he tries to pull down their bandanas.
The three men then push their way into the police line and appear to be arrested, then taken away.
In the video, Coles claims the men were sent as provocateurs to give the police an excuse to move in on demonstrators.
"I looked him in his eye and said 'You're a cop aren't you?' and his eyes just glazed right up," Coles tells a crowd in the video.
Photographs taken by another protester show the three men lying on the ground with the soles of their boots adorned by yellow octagons. A police officer kneeling beside the men appears to have the same imprint on his boot.
The imprint appears to be the Vibram boots logo. Earlier reports had suggested it was a yellow triangle signifying Canadian Standards Association-approved footwear.
Police have confirmed that only four protesters, not the men in the video, were arrested during the summit.
"But we see very clearly in that video three (other) men being arrested . . . How do (police) account for these three people being taken in, being arrested? Where did they go?" veteran protester Jaggi Singh asked CP Tuesday.
"I have no hesitation in saying they were police agents... and they were caught red-handed."
Despite denials from both the RCMP and Quebec police, Liberal justice critic Marlene Jennings said the evidence is "quite incriminating" and told them to "clear this up."
Meanwhile, New Democrat MP Libby Davies said the video raises "hugely serious questions" about how police act at international meetings.
"It seems like they create this environment, a show of force, that sets it up for a confrontation,'' said Libby who protested at the summit.
"I think we need to know who authorized this, how high up does this go?"
Prime Minister Stephen Harper, U.S. President George Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon, wrapped up the summit Tuesday.
Many activists were protesting what they perceived a lack of transparency surrounding the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) process.
The two-year-old framework is being used to pursue greater trade and security integration between the three countries.
While a group of top business executives got the chance to make a presentation to the three leaders on Tuesday, no such invitation was extended to environmental or social activists.
Critics claim the SPP is a 'super-NAFTA' that will result in stolen jobs and an erosion of freedoms.
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Doug
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Dana
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Ask yourself this: what odds would you give that all these cops and these three supposed 'protestors' would all be wearing the same boots, with the same tread, showing similar patterns of wear, on the day they all meet for the first time in a town where none of them live?
Million to one? Billion?
They're cops.
Graham
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Doug
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No where does it say same pattern of wear. The yellow triangle typical indicates that it is a steel-toed boot, which a metal shank running down the sole .... Next, QPP would by default be there at the summit. So this actually makes the odds quite good. If I was going to protest, I'd certainly wear steel-toed/steel shanked boots. I on the other hand am not a hippie, so I don't protest. (I vote, and so should you, but educate yourself first).
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luke
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After seeing the video on youtube, it is suspicious. Not the boots, but how the protesters, police and 'protesters' interacted.
Michael Le Couteur
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Lukie
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Green Triangle indicates that it is a class 1 toe cap with puncture resistant sole.
Yellow Triangle indicates that it is a class 2 toe cap with puncture resistant sole.
No Triangle indicates that there is no toe cap.
White Square (with ohm symbol) indicates electrical protection.
Yellow Square(with SD) indicates anti-static protection.
Red Square(with C) indicates electrically conductive.
Fir Tree indicates protection against chain-saws.
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Chris
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http://www.vibram.com/
The odds that all three "protesters" would be wearing identical, standard issue police boots instead of, say, Doc Martens are...?
Sean
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Marc
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It doesn't prove anything that they are cops just that they are wearing similar footwear.
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Ron K
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It is generally misreported that they are "yellow triangles" on the boots. No,it is actually yellow rectangles with beveled corners meaning Vibram soles which they all have--including the cops. Two of the "protesters" also have identical cop Vibram tread patterns ,(model #134AR) with the cops "For police and firefighters". One of the protesters tries to disguise his boots with paint and duct tape.
But the clincher is that these "arrested" masked guys with carrying weapons (rocks and sticks) are not charged with anything and disappear whereas other, real protesters, are arrested and charged.
Rob
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Paul
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Dude from Ottawa
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Gary
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M.A. Dawg
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Craig
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If the "real" protesters didn't get violent or cause problems, they wouldn't be bothered by the police.
But they started to throw things and start fires so naturally, they were stopped.
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john
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Jim
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BUT, the fact that 3 men are clearly arrested, and yet the police reports 4 arrests, 2 men and 2 women, does pretty much tell you that they were cops (if they're behaviour in the video didnt already tell you that).
Chris
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Why does the one "protestor" clearly have a conversation with the police officer next to the wall?
Why do the three "protestors" simply surrender themselves into police custody. What real protestor does that?
Why were they not arrested and charged for crossing police lines?
If Mr. Coles chooses to charge the "protestor" who shoved him with assault, will the police release the identity of the man? They surely must have identified all three men after having taken them into custody (standard check for warrants). That is, if they're not actually police officers...
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Roman Pearce
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If the allegations are true (and I've seen nothing to refute them), then the police aren't doing police work, and this is a very serious problem.
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CC
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http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2007/08/read-it-and-weep-baby.html
Now, what are the odds of that? Go on, give it some thought. Try not to strain yourself.
Bruce Martin
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These 3 guys showing up out of the blue, knowing no one else in the crowd, is coincidence.
These 3 guys all wanting to cause trouble which apparently no one else wants is coincidence.
These 3 guys being able to easily push their way through a line of riot police, one after the other, is coincidence.
All these coincidences together at the same time...?
Richard
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The only good thing about having the protesters at the summit was that it got them out of their parents' basements.
Steve
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Tells you all you need to know about these unions, and their underlying mentality
Jill
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Vince M.
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Has anyone considered maybe they were protesters trying to portray themselves as cops under cover? Like the man said, you can't trust unions, period.
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A Minnesotan
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The "protestors" and their body language
screamed of authoritarian training as well. I have seen a lot of cops/military in my life. My Dad has been law enforcement all of my life, and of my 28 years only 9 non-consecutive years have been as a bona-fide civilian outside of the military.
Well, welcome to love American style!
Colin
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As some one with first hand experience on both sides of protest and picket lines, it is a fact that part of the crowd control process for police is to have undercover officers within the crowd. The problem would be the attempt to escalate violence or aggression, the old TV would call this "intrapment" and is currently is a practice under question in other practices were the have people charged for talking themselves up to undercover police and being used as a confession. I have no doubt that they are police but should not be making an effort to escalate violence this puts a number of people at risk of harm on both sides. Protesting is a civil right of the people!
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Richie Vanderlubbe
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Kris
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We are supposed to be in Afghanistan promoting and fighting for freedom - which includes the right to protest. How do you think this makes Canada look?
Mark
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Joseph
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Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
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Most significantly, they are led away still sporting their masks. There is no way on earth that the police would conduct a legitimate arrest and leave the person masked.
Jeff
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Harper dismissed the protests as "Sad". I dismiss this as sad.
Just watch what they try to pull next. It'll make this seem like nothing.
Charlie
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Chris
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Why is the undercover cop the ONLY protester with a weapon?
Watch the video again.
No other protesters have any rocks, bottles, sticks or other potential weapons except signs, banners and flags.
So then he does not need the rock to blend in with the other protesters. He's the only one. In fact, he's doing the opposite of blending. He's making himself more conspicuous. Who would ever do this if their goal is to remain hidden and unknown?
If they're just undercover to keep an eye on the situation, that's one thing. But it sure look like he's getting ready to start trouble by chucking rocks at the police line and start a riot.
And if the police were going to start a riot here, what about other riots and previous violence at Montebello? Were these also instigated by police?
Lee
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What bothers me most are the authoritarian comments posted above. Apparently it is OK with these people if the police try to engineer it so that peaceful protesters get beaten up for exercising their civil rights. There's a name for that: fascism.
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C. Farley
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What is this union's secret agenda? Why didn't they invite other people to their protest? What are the unions trying to hide about their objective? Why so much concern about police over-hearing their plans?
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Richard
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As for the police having undercover agents within the crowd, again big deal. Considering that each and every large-scaled protest has turned violent in some way shape and form, it would be irresponsible for the police to not have undercover agents there.
Then there are those who say "Look. They talk to the cops, and then are taken into the police line. Obviously, they're cops." If the three were cops, then this behaviour is self-explainatory. If they're not, though, they're behaviour still makes sense. They've just been accused of being cops! They're surrounded by people hostile to cops, and they're being manhandled in order to pull down their masks. If I was a protester, I'd be asking the cops to protect me, too.
The fact is, people, there is no proof yet of anything. You are willing to believe that the cops are deliberately (and incompetently) provoking violence on the unsubstantiated word of someone who is already hostile to a cop presence. Would you take the unsubstantiated word of this guy if he accused someone you knew of stealing, or assaulting someone on the street? If not, then why are you believing him now before there is any proof of any wrongdoing?
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Fred
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I have another problem with the protesters, however - if you want to protest, DO NOT wear a mask. The mask is the sign of a thug and many people (myself included) ignore everything you say and want you locked up.
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DERON
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Also when 'outed' they made a bee-line for police line.
They were conscious of the camera when buddy tried to remove their masks.
NO QUESTION - they are cops!
Ian O'Shaughnessy
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http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello.jpg
http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello1.jpg
Ian O'Shaughnessy
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http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello.jpg
http://www.phpneoform.com/117/phpneoform_images/files/fulls/montabello1.jpg
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They were hardcore "kids."
Fakes. Good one QPP, you sure messed up that one.
Qev
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Bill OReilly
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Why were there no environmental organizations invited to the SPP meetings? Why no labour organizations? No citizens' coalitions? Why only 30 major CEOs and 3 government heads-of-state? Why were these meetings not recorded and released to the public so we can know what they are up to?
Paul
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As damning as they might be there's enough surplus around to explain it.
BUT WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY?
If they where arrested, they must have names, lawyers, and other details, and if they wheren't arrested, clearly they where either police, or working for the police.