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Date: Fri. Jul. 20 2007 11:01 PM ET

An angry post-match confrontation between Chilean soccer players and Toronto police has escalated to become an international incident, with officials in Santiago laying the blame squarely on Canadian authorities.

Chilean President Michelle Bachelet told local reporters she was dismayed with the use of "unjustified aggression" by Toronto police after a bloody brawl following a FIFA U-20 World Cup match late Thursday.

"In our judgment, what happened was particularly serious because the Chilean delegation suffered unjustified aggression," she said.

Her government is lodging a formal complaint with Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay to demand an explanation for why police used "such unusual methods'' to deal with the situation.

But Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who just visited Chile a few days ago, said only that "international soccer matches are hotly contested and often become very emotional."

He added that "There are processes in Canada by which the authorities review these kinds of things and I don't intend to comment any further."

Toronto police say they were responding to aggressive behaviour with necessary force.

At a packed press conference on Friday, Chilean Football Federation President Harold Mayne-Nicholls apologized for the behaviour of the team, but slammed the police response.

"I personally saw that the police of Toronto did not act as our police is used to acting with people that are just playing a football game,'' said Mayne-Nicholls.

"For us, as the chairman of the Football Federation of Chile, we cannot accept those kind of things coming from the police. Our players are 19-year-old, 20-year-old kids. They were playing football and they never deserved the treatment they were receiving.''

Mayne-Nicholls wouldn't say what prompted the fight, only that the players were relaxed in the changing room after the match.

"I'm sure they are completely innocent on this but I want to know exactly what happened,'' he said.

Mayne-Nicholls told reporters that the Federation is waiting for a final report to learn exactly what transpired.

Despite the friction, the president of the Chilean Football Federation assured media the players were prepared for their match against Austria for the third-place spot on Sunday.

The consul general of Chile also weighed in on Friday, saying Toronto police need to do more than just apologize for Thursday night's brawl with members of the Chilean FIFA U-20 soccer team.

Apology not enough

"I don't think a mere apology would be enough, I don't think so," said Ricardo Plaza. "Clearly something much more serious needs to be done. This is a serious problem and it needs a serious solution.

Speaking with CTV News, Plaza said police were rude to him when he showed up at the stadium after learning of the scuffle that took place outside the National Soccer Stadium.

He accused the police of using excessive force with the players, all of whom are under the age of 20. Instead of protecting the players, they attacked them, he said.

"They used extreme, excessive force, not used in appropriate way," he said. "I can't understand how they could react in such a way. It's not understandable and it's unacceptable."

Tensions erupt

Tensions between the two teams competing in the FIFA U-20 World Cup semi-final reached a boiling point after Chile lost to Argentina 3-0.

German referee Wolfgang Stark called 53 fouls -- 30 against Chile. Two of their members were eventually ejected during the game.

During the game, nine yellow cards were issued to the team while two yellow cards were issued to the opposing Argentina team. A yellow card is considered a serious warning -- two of them in a single game and the player is shown a red card, which means ejection.

Emotions were running high among players, angry at what they said were unfair calls by referees.

When the final whistle blew and Chile had been shut out 3-0, the team started to go after the referees, egged on by an angry public audience. However, police ushered the refs away to the tunnels underneath the stands.

Later outside the stadium, an altercation erupted between police and athletes as they headed to their bus.

A reporter with The Canadian Press said he heard people yelling near the Chilean team bus after the game. A scuffle then broke out between four or five people, and quickly escalated.

'A big dogfight'

"Next thing you know, the bus just unloads and there's eight, 10 players come off the bus and there's just fists flying everywhere, between the cops, the security guards, a couple of ladies were involved that were security," said reporter Nathan Denette.

"It looked like a big dogfight. People throwing fists and cops with their billyclubs out and then all of a sudden it got out of control."

A police officer then used a Taser to subdue one of the people in the melee, though it was unclear if he was a player or an official with the Chilean team.

"As soon as that happened, it got even worse," Denette said.

Hundreds of angry and chanting fans were kept at a distance, separated by a fence as FIFA and Canadian officials looked on in shock.

Police soon got a handle on the situation, handcuffing team members, many of them bloodied and screaming, and escorting them back into the dressing room where they remained detained for several hours.

"They hit me with an electrical current and I fainted,'' player Isaias Perralta told Chilean media. "When I regained consciousness, I saw 10 police officers were hitting me and throwing acid in my face.''

All 21 players from the Chilean under-20 soccer team were detained by police.

Eventually, police let them all go without making a single arrest.

"All (Chilean) players have been released from custody of the police to care of the Chilean delegation,'' FIFA spokesman John Schumacher said. "The Chilean players were detained by the police to de-escalate the situation that was taking place in front of the stadium."

"The entire situation is under investigation by FIFA, the LOC (local organizing committee), the police authorities in Toronto as well as the Chilean delegation,'" he continued.

FIFA President Sepp Blatter told reporters at a press conference on Friday that the association had asked the relevant authorities in Toronto to report details of their probe back to his organization.

Police reaction

Toronto Police Chief William Blair released a statement Friday outlining what happened.

"My officers were forced to intervene, initially, to protect the referees. As the teams were leaving the stadium, an argument broke out between a member of the Chilean team and a rival fan," he said. "My officers were forced to intervene, again, to end the dispute. Members of the Chilean team then decided to direct some of their aggressive behaviour towards my officers."

Blair said the officers did what they had to do to control the situation.

"The job of my officers was to respond in a firm, but fair, manner to end that violence. They are trained to do so, and that is what they did," he said.

"We will look, in detail, into what happened last night to see what changes, if any, we need to make to the policing arrangements for Sunday's matches."

There are no plans to investigate the matter further, although police may respond to the allegations levelled against them, said Toronto police spokesman Const. George Schuurman.

"As far as I know, it's a case closed,'' he said.

"It happened last night, people were arrested, they were investigated, they were released, no charges -- and that's the end of it.''

Toronto Mayor David Miller called the incident "regretful" considering the tremendous success of the games so far.

However, he wouldn't comment on the behaviour of the police force.

"Until the police investigation is complete, I can't comment on any action police took," he said.

"I do know the inspector in charge showed tremendous good sense to return all players to the custody of their coach.

'Upset with the ref'

"The players were upset. They're young players,'' Chile coach Jose Sulantay said at a post-match press conference through an interpreter, referring to the melee on the playing field after the final whistle. "The red card affected them."

"The coaching staff tried to calm them down, but they were upset with the ref and the red cards.''

While Sulantay explained away his players' frustration to reporters, the brawl was breaking out outside the stadium.

Chile is expected to play Austria Sunday for a third-place finish before the finals between Argentina and Czech Republic.

Plaza said he hopes the team will recover from Thursday night's incident in time for the game.

"I hope they will recover and will be assisted and will be able to play on Sunday as if nothing happened," he said. "It will be very difficult. They will have the incident in the back of their minds."

The under-20 competition is FIFA's largest tournament after the World Cup. The organization was congratulated for setting record ticket sales for the tournament at BMO Field.

The field is being dubbed the National Soccer Stadium during the tournament because of issues around sponsorship.

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John Scott
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More the result of a whistle happy referee driving the players to distraction with his egregious and one sided calls. Let's hope we see a good Chile side Sunday.


Allan Eizinas
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It may be time to expand the NHL. It looks like Chile would make a good new franchise. The fans and players appear to have the appropriate attitude.


George Sanidas
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When is FIFA going the realize that the replay must be used to make judgment in high profile games? The referee last night did a poor job. This is no an excuse for violence, however, bad refereeing should not be aloud to strip players from the biggest game of their lives. The FIFA dinosaurs need to wake up!!


David
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Hi, I'm David from Chile. Chilean TV reporters broadcast live this thing. The "problem" was that Chilean team member were trying to reach the Chilean fans (20 meters away) to say hi and take some pictures, but police over-reacted. They (police) damaged players and even directive managers of the Team, and electro-shocked at least 2 players. The players broke the bus windows cause they need air (police used Toxic things Inside the closed bus). Cops didn't allowed Chilean reporters to do their job cause they know the problem was serious. Chilean Government will make formal complaints.


Paul
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Stats from 2006 World Cup:
Average number of fouls per game 5.9
Average number of yellow cards per game 2.6
Average number of red cards per game 0.2
...here's a thought, maybe the referee had something to do with it!


Jackie
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Mr Stark should never be allowed to ref again. As for the Toronto Police, you should be ashamed of yourself!!! The players were just trying to say hello to their FANS!!! Is that a crime?


Etelle B.
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I was reading the South American press, and the reports are a bit different, accusing the Toronto police of mistreating and beating the players with an unnecessary show of force. This issue really needs some investigation. I am not from either Chile or Agentina, but I agree with the fact that the referee did not allow those young and talented players to play, by penalizing him for every move they made.


Caroline
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It's a disgrace what happened last night. Argentinians are known for their theatrical display. Mr Stark should be penalized. It wasn't a fair play.

C.J. Dembski
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Another sad incident started by Toronto Police, every single report by eye witnesses has them using too much force way too early.
The ref. was horrid, simply a disgrace to the game. My heart goes out to Chile, and shame on Argentina for diving every two seconds.


Allan
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The Chilean team should be escorted to the next available plane heading back to Chile. As far as I'm concerned their behaviour is unacceptable in the host country. The coaches and players should be taking their complaints to FIFA not a punch up on the streets.


Louis P.
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If the police tells you to do something, you do it. Obviously the players didn't therefore they suffered the consequenses.

Esther
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I think police across Canada need a lot more training on crowd control post sporting events.


IAN ORWIN
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I am almost 60 years old and have played soccer all my life. The problem with this game was not the ref, although he was not entirely blameless, but the players who dive. They are ruining the game. They are a curse to every self respecting soccer player and fan. Ref's are asked to decide in a split second if a foul occured or not while some pathetic excuse for an athlete is writhing on the ground like he had been shot. ... North Americans will never embrace this stuff and soccer in North America will never cath on big.


barry
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The game got out of hand because argentina is a disgrace to FIFA. Why dive like swans and hold your face when nothing happened? If soccer explodes in north america it won't be before FIFA bans or heavily fines/suspends players/clubs who do this sort of thing.


Jason
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What is pathetic is that people are using the refereeing as an excuse. Are you saying that the Chilean players are backward, disrespectful, poorly raised, lack moral and ethical values, etc...

Because if you say that, then sure, it was the refs fault. No matter what the refs did, there is ZERO excuse for fans and players to act out in violence. Chile should be banned for their actions. I don't care what team does it, you don't come flying off your bus to start fights no matter what.

Fernando
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Guess FUTBOL is here to stay!


Lorraine
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The referee in this game should bear the brunt of responsibility for the Chilean team's frustrations. He was clearly out of line and against Chile. I hope he never gets to referee an international game again. Also, Argnetina should be ashamed for such blatent unsportsmanship in the way they would fall down and cry at the least touch. I am sorry for the Chilean players who had a really great tournament till this.


Fernando V.
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I feel very sad about what happened yesterday after the match. I hope this minor problem won't distort the excellent relationship between both nations.


Alex Kovalenko
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I did not know soccer can be exciting to watch.. I was cheering for Chile till the last minute. Too bad about the ref...


Amanda Farias
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I am writing to say that this "ill-tempered" brawl was started by the Toronto police, and the poor reffing skills from the refee. The Toronto police refused to let the Chilean team greet their fans while exiting the stadium. The team naturally got upset, having pent up emotion from the dissapointing game. The police took a very violent approch to the situation. The situation escalated due to the fact that the Chilean players were not able to communicate with the Toronto Police, because none of the players can speak English. One of my sources is a player from the Chilean team, and there is evidence of abuse on his hands, face, and arms. ...

Stewie Griffin
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My dad is 71 years old, and used to play soccer for Hamburg in Germany. He can't even watch soccer anymore. The dives make him sick.

Glas
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This game/incident shows why football is just not up to par in the world of sports. It is on the same level as pro wrestling, a joke.


JF Chalmers
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Yesterday's game between Arg. and Chile is the reason soccer will never take off in N. America... horrible officiating and players who shamelessly cheat and fake injury...

Sean
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Don't try and place blame on the police; they were doing their job and they did it well.

Bad reffing or not, the players' behaviour was completely unacceptable and they should be offering apologies to FIFA, event organizers and the host country, not the other way around.

At the end of the day I hope that soccer takes a firm hold here in Canada, but we can do without the "hooligans" and their type of behavious that have plagued the sport in other parts of the world.


Selassie
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Canadian police have little to no training in crowd control and over-reacted in their panic. The ref (Wolfgang Stark) usually does a much better job than in this game but seemed to not see or care about all the Argentinian dives.


Danny Sayers
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The refereeing was awful yes, however these players should be punished to the fullest and should be subjected as a nation to future tournement bans. How can you overlook the Chilean sides actions? The players were attacking the ref? You should NEVER lay your hands on a referee!!!!!


Jeffrey Alexander
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All the Chilean players were trying to do is meet with the hundred or so fans waiting to see them. I was there. It was the Toronto Police who decided that this was not going to happen on their watch. They started manhandling the players, using batons, tazers and pepper spray. ... If the Police had allowed the fans to say hello to the team, take a few pictures and tell them that they played well under the circumstances, none of this would have happened.


Dean
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Two things. One: Soccer will never catch on unless they get rid of the diving. Two: If you punch a cop you deserve to get Tasered.


j. Arnold
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The Chilean press was filming during the incident last night. They have footage of what really happened and it is outrageous that the Canadian press were on the scene and had their cameras turned off. To say that this all happened out of range of the press is an outright lie. Footage is being shown all over South America and all over the world via satelite.
Perhaps the Canadian press chould cover this story more indepth, instead of the Harry Potter book. This has become an international incident that will see Canada written off as a host country for future sporting events.


Ryan
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I tried watching FIFA World Cup this time around. The whining and tantrums by players was amazing. Now, they were caught in a fight, and it is the authorities fault??? Who is in control of actions?
Unfortunately, this seems typical to the sport of soccer. Too bad


Ignacio Montero
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As I see it, there is a cultural misunderstanding at the bottom-line of the occured events. In Spain, Italy, England, Brazil and allover
South America fans are very important for football (you call it soccer). Giving autographs and shake hands after the game before entering the bus is normal, even necessary. On the other hand, police and security has their own agenda, and presumably were too strict and narrow-minded to see this dynamic relationship player-fan (in Canada sorry to say it, you don't know about football and its surrounding culture and codes . Chilean players didn't mean to misrespect the policeman, just to continue in their role of professional players in and outside the field.


Jessica
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FIFA should be investigating this incident before they put blame on Chile players and officials...

Nancy Telford
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It's just a game, isn't it? It would appear that some people take it way too seriously. Just a game, just a game.


Roberto Iturrieta
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Four reasons yesterday's match ended like that. 1.: Argentinians dive and cry like little girls to impress the referee. 2.: Bad referee. 3.: Violent brainless police (in Chile we have a lot of them, too.) 4.: Chilean players' mental weakness. Most of these kids at 19 are earning more money than they FAMILIES would ever dream, they are very skillfull kicking a ball, but can't even speak fluently.
Also I like to add that Argentina did not play better than Chile, the score doesn´t show how the match was.


Joel
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Finally something about soccer *yawn* that is mildly entertaining.


Geoff Sanders
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So much for Harper trying to boost Canadian relations with Chile...


Sean
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Some people are saying the police over reacted & twisting the story(especially the Chille Press & coach)... I don't think so! If the police over reacted, those players would still be in custody for assualting a officer! Yea the reffing was more than horrible, but that is no excuse for thier action taken...

fcs
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Not sure how things work in Chile but here in Canada when the police tell you to stop doing something and you don't, watch out. Even a 5 year old knows that. As far as the Chilean team being angry, too bad, next time stay home then.


Jeff
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Poor officiating does not excuse the players of bad behavior. There is no excuse for the Chilean players to be involved in the altercation, and should be disqualified and ejected from the tournament. This just makes South American nations look backwards to the world.



Charles Bowman
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If there is any doubt of who started the fight, just answer yourselves this question:
"Could it be possible that the Chilean players, all under 20, average height 5.5, 165 pounds are dumb enough to confron trained police officers, carrying tasers, clubs, pepper spray and outnumber them by far?"
Pretty clear to me.


Erick Govaz
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The whole Chilean team should be kicked out of Canada. The same behaviour was shown by the Chilean national team in Venezuela during Copa America. FIFA must not let them be considered for other international tournaments.


Robert
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So the Chilean gov't. is going to lay a complaint. Ha! I think they should be apologizing for the hooligans they call soccer players!! So they lost the game!! Get over it and move on!!


Alan Duguid
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This situation has evrything to do with the reaction of the Chilean team in the face of a humiliating defeat. These young men have disgraced themselves and their Country with their undisciplined behaviour and should be sent home forthwith


Ivonne
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I am Chilean, and is a shame to see how the Chilean players and fans acted against the police officers.

I believe the police officers used force that was needed to restrain the Chilean team and fans, because of their behaviour was out of control. Police Officers are well trained for this kind of actions and is in their hands to control violence.
I believe the chilean team owns a big apology to the canadian officers that they attacked they were only doing their job and what the FIFA told them to do keep the players moving out.




Eric
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Hey Charlie -- the answer is yes. They could be. These arrogant teammates should have been arrested just as anyone else would have been. Starting a brawl over a bad ref? There's no excuse for that. Instead of taking nonsense from the Chilean Delegation, they and their team should be expelled from the country.


ALF
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Well... 2 weeks ago the Chilean adult team had problems in COPA AMERICA in Venezuela for misbehaviours in the hotel...
now the this kids follow their behaviour... sad... very sad...


Ruben E. del Castillo
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I am a chilean journalist living in Mississauga for more than 32 years. I watched the game on TV after driving by the stadium before the game. I only have to comments about the game. When a player doesn't play properly, he or she is yellow or red carded, but when a referee doesn't perform accordingly, who red card him(her)?.
The chilean and argentinian fans were soaking wet sitting all together to enjoy the game. If it was in my power, I would sue the referee personaly to pay back the money the fans paid to watch a game that he simply decided to ruin acting like a narrow-minded dictator.


Rodrigo Bravo
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I don't agree with most of your comments. I suppose that all the Chileans were very fustrated and angry about the match played; but in that case, the police had to protect an international delegation, and not group of furious teenagers. Certainly the players had no a good behaivour, but the police must to act in a low-profile plan, because the extreme violence used on an angry grou of teenagers only had generated a snowball od violence.


Rob
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Biased comments from the Chilean fans is obvious from reading some of the posts on here. You can blame refs no matter what the sport is and sure a lot of the time it's cause for anger. Violence, however, is NEVER the proper course of action in any situation and the Chilean coaches and staff are responsible for making sure their players understand this. The soccer hooliganism mentality we've seen in other parts of the world cannot be tolerated here and the police should have the authority and the means to stop it whenever it happens.


Michael
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I agree with all the people who wrote that nothing justifies the violence between the chilean team and the police, but I would wait until the investigation is complete. In the other hand, I'm tired of seeing always the same....FIFA controlling the championships by selecting "innocent" referees who believe every dive or simulation make by the players, specially when you have to play against famous soccer teams. It is really simple, if a referee take a wrong decision against argentina or brazil, he could ruin his career but if he committ a mistake against a "weak" team, oh well..it is part of the game..that is the reason because FIFA still do not accept cameras as part of the refeere's job (Actually, referees don't have the chance to correct bad decisiones).


Jonathan Fieldhouse
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Please make sure you are actually informed about what REALLY happened before you make a comment. I was there, the players just wanted to sign autographs, a security guard attacked one of the Chilean players, and then the cops joined in. The other Chilean players went to help their teammate, who was being pummeled (for wanting to sign autographs mind you) and that's when the cops decided to pepper spray, and use tasers on the players. ... This is the type of treatment Chilean people came to Canada to avoid.

Christian Guzman
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Hi. Im from chile... at least in here, all the news-channels are saying that the police of canada overreacted when the chilean players tryed to sign autographs, and didnt heard the police order of not getting close of the fans.

At least here in chile, not too many people speaks english, and the people that speaks english, are adult people who have jobs.

I think that soon we will get to know the real story about this awful and embarrassing incident, ¿was the chilean players who started this riot or the cops?, soon we will know.


Richard Gerdingh
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Hurrah for Argentine, World Champion of Pantomime.

Shame on FIFA for providing such an incompetent referee in an international game and on the Argentinian player for a total lack of sportmanship.


Walter E.Eibisberger
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Soccer is a passionate game and awakens passionate feelings in players and spectators alike. Past soccer hooliganism in Europe and eleswhere has shown that matters can get out of hand.
Our Police officers did the right thing by keeping the lid on things.


Carl Jones
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Canadian Police are the bad guys yet again according to the typical armchair quaterbacks out there who don't know a thing about being thrust into the middle of a brawl and who foolishly believe such an event can be brought to a peaceful conclusion without the use of some type of force. I'm sure the Police in Chile would be more respectful. (That's sarcasm in case you missed it.)


Chad B.
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Soccer violence in Canada....bizarre.



L. Rutledge
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As a soccer referee for over nineteen years, I can attest first hand to the ill tempers of the Chilean players. In my experience, when any tean begins the match intent on agressive behavior, then it is up to the officials to gain control of the match. This is done through the referee's experience and resolve. When this is applied to the agressor team, then it is very convenient to blame "poor officiating" on the outcome of the game. I personally was assaulted by a Chilean team during a game and had to abandon the game. The resultant charges against the attackers resulted in a lifetime ban on playing and a hefty fine for the offending players. I only hope that FIFA has the fortitude to enact the appropriate punishment on the offending players.


Jennifer
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For all those who say that the players were only trying to shake the fans' hands, then why were the players already on the bus and proceeded to get off after a few of the players that were still outside the bus started scuffling with the police? It seems to be very clear that the Chilean team was upset by the game and wanted to take out their aggression on whoever was closest. Unfortunately for them, it happened to be the Toronto police. Maybe this will be a lesson that soccer teams need to have a better control on their tempers.


Craig
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How is it possible the Chilean team will be permitted to continue in this tournament? Surely this incident warrants expulsion. FIFA should step in and make an example of them.


Trent Paulhus
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All this is, is an excuse for the Chilean President to take the attention away from the undisciplined soccer team and attempt to put a negative focus on Toronto's great police force. Had these deliquent playeres gone straight to their dressing room after the loss; this so-called incident would never had taken place. If blame should be put, then look at the coaching staff. If these coaches were doing their jobs properly, the players would not have brawlled.


CJ
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The Toronto police are more then capable of and trained to handle these undiciplined incidents. We have had too many examples of soccer matches getting out of control. They did their job and shut the nonsense down quickly.
The apology should come from the poor sport players and not the police for doing their jobs.


Noogie P.
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When in a host country, you should obey the law and the police represent the law. If the Chileans don't understand that, then maybe they should stay home until they learn some manners. I support the Toronto Police, not a bunch of foreign ruffians.


Connie Ewashko
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I have to say that both Argentina and Chile play the same game. Argentina just played it better in last nights game...and the poor reffing helped the game, and emotions escalate to the point that it did. These are emotional, immature teenagers. Shame on the reff for doing such a poor job.
As for who was responsible for what happened after the game...how about giving us the WHOLE, REAL story!!!???
Our Canadian police have a job to do...but hey they have also been known to misread an incident and overreact!!
The fact that there were no charges put in place makes me wonder what the REAL story is...and I want to hear it!
How can Chile play another fair game on Sunday?


Earl Larocque
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Perhaps soccer should stay in Europe and other countries, because it became obvious very quickly that no matter where these guys play, they take their poor sportsmanship and violence with them.
Our police responded with appropriate measures.

Is this what Toronto really wants? I think not.


TG from Northern ON
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Typical soccer hooligans....Take a breather guys, its just a game.The Chileans lost, deal with it. The police had no choice but to be firm with them. Look at what happens in South America when soccer fights get out of control. People die. I support the Toronto Police. They did their job.


Thomas Leroux
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Whatever the team was trying to do - go sign autographs or pick a fight does *not* matter.

When the police say do something, you do it.




Andrew
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I'll give the well-trained, extremely professional police forces of this country the benefit of the doubt over a bunch of hot-headed 19 and 20 year-olds any day.

Too many hippies in this country.


Janus
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What happened in the game became irrelevant when the Chilean players stormed off the bus to engage in violent confrontation on the streets of their host city! A thug is a thug and these thugs pose a danger to citizens and the people who protect us. Thank you Toronto's Finest for doing your job!


Jake
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Canada, treat this like it is - a non-event.

Who cares what Chile thinks, really? Let 'em complain!

Don't turn around and demoralize your own police with endless bureaucratic inquiries.

If this happened in the US or UK, do you think they would jump just because Chile complained? Never.


Alfredo Mella
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There are two obvious facts here:

1) There is a big racism problem in Canada. Toronto Police treated us (Chileans) like animals with no justification at all. All political relationships with Canada should be eliminated, along with any protection to Canadian ambassadors in Santiago.

2) Argentina isn't a team that deserves to win a World Cup, but they do deserve an Oscar for their performance last night.


Alan Todd
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The players are responsible for their conduct. They enter the tournament accepting the rules of sport and the conditions of FIFA.
If they (including their coach and diplomats) dispute the fairness of the game they can complain through official means.

In acting like dissapointed children the Chilean team disrespect the game, their nation and themselves. Isn't there enough stupid conflict in our world? Can't we enjoy sport in the support of a just and peaceful world. Come on people!


Louise
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I have been watching and mostly enjoying the tournament so far, perhaps because I hadn't seen Argentina play yet. Disgraceful, shameless, unsportsmanlike behaviour, flat out cheating. No excuse to Chile for losing composure so badly at this high of an international level. The ref should not ref again. This particular situation was a 3 way issue. Soccer will not flourish in NA until the diving is stopped.


Troy
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So a bunch of spoiled, immature kids can't control their tempers, force the police to subdue them, and then try to blame the cops?

The cops were completely justified in using force. Players tried to assault the refs, rival fans and then the cops, and subsequently got their s*** pushed in.

Complete fault on the Chilean team, and their coaching staff and management who couldn't control them. They should be banned from the rest of the tournament.






Al
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There is no way a ref can be blamed for violence no matter how bad he is...It's an excuse to point a finger at him. Also, give your head a shake if you think the players were 'relaxing' after the game and 'just wanted to get close to their fans.' Both teams and their coaches are to blame for all the theatrics on the field.It's a culture that has to stop in South America. The Chilean coaches and players are to blame for the violence off the field at the team bus. Police in Canada have to be provoked before acting and clearly the team was out of control...What an insult to Toronto police and Canada if you think otherwise.


joey campbell
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Everybody is bashing the cops on this, but they were just doing their jobs to keep things from escalating. The refs had a bad game, but does that justify the players attacking them? The players are to blame, not the cops, so why blame the cops? Because people take the easy way out and its always easier to blame the cops for your own problems! Shame.


Rodrigo Tornvall
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The events we all have seen have created a great stir in Chile and Southamerica. I can´t justify the behaviour of the young chilean team, they were obviously very upset and reacted on the referee with an agressive attitude. The job that Mr Stark did is not to be discussed, the entire world had the chance to see what a disgrace this referee means to the world. Argentina played better that evening, but it gets quite easy to win when all you do is dive forgetting what fair play means.
However it is a shame on Canadian police to react like that on 20 year old kids that were only trying to greet the fans and sign some autographs. While this incident was happening every single journalist from all over the world was kept beyond bars and they were obligated to shut the cameras off. What were they trying to hide with all this? I have seen todays news and the brutality of Canadian police is just evident. Several players had injuries all over their bodies and some of them couldn´t even walk. I have seen that myself and you can look it up on many Chilean newspapers on the web to see how damaged the young players ended up. The Chilean Government made a formal complaint that was forwarded through the chilean ambassador in Toronto to the Canadian government. Even the canadian ambassador in Chile himself apologized for what happened last night. It is very sad for me to see my people and my entire country so devastated after this. I just hope we never see this happening again.


Valerie Ford
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The best team did not win,and Argentina has nothing to be proud of. When is FIFA going to clamp down on players who dive? Divers should be in a swimming pool not a football pitch.


Sterling
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Look, soccer is a dive-happy sport as it is, I'm sure the police acutally touching a soccer player is more physical contact than they've ever experienced on a field.
That said, a nations experienced U20 player ought to know better than to attack a ref. When did that become an acceptable or excusable reaction? Kids know that.
If you'll excuse the metaphor, the chileans are diving on the field, so to speak. Crying about something that shouldn't be cried about.
Take some accountability.


Travis Smith
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I can understand the frustration of the Chileans, however, they must understand that in Canada, we do not stand for brawls and lawlessness. Striking a police officer is a crime. If the players wishes to see their fans but could not communicate this to the officers present, it would have been up to them to have an interpreter on scene. Do not blame the authorities for doing what they must do: keep the peace.


Bonnita
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I think that Chile should be embarrassed at the conduct of their youth. For the rest of the country to make excuses for them is in itself inexcusable. The people in Chile should realize how badly this incident of unbridled rage and unsightly behaviour of their youth is reflecting on them all. And for the Chilean communty to be demanding an apology already? Wait for everything to come out before making accusations and demands of some of Toronto's finest, unlike Chilean's worst.


CTY
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Your "Todays Question" asks: Who do you blame for the soccer brawl? The obvious answer is- Players. Perhaps the question should have been: Who caused the soccer brawl to become an international incident? The answer then would have been worth polling. The players started it but the police did what they did. Did they escalate beyond????


Abraham
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This is such a shame for Canada as a host country. Anybody who watched the match could clearly see the biased refereeing going on and the tensions building up.
In the end instead of taking proper precautions the police are involved in the ugly incidents that followed.

This just shows the growing intolerance in our society today.


Cameron
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What surprises me is the sympathy directed towards the Chilean team. These men (they are not boys, as was mentioned in the article by several Chilean officials) should be ashamed of their actions. Not only have they disgraced the game of soccer by their violence, but they seek to blame the referee for all of their shortcomings. Perhaps they should look at themselves in the mirror and wonder why the T.O police acted the way they did. I do not blame the police one bit...they were controlling a situation that clearly got out of hand.


Scott
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Let me get this straight... the players start throwing punches and its the police at fault? Come on guys... I had to laugh at the comment that police here need better crowd control training. I've been to football games in Argentina. The cops there carry AK-47's and shotguns, and often use teargas to disperse unhappy fans. Same as they do in Europe, Asia and anywhere else there is a brawl. The police did exactly what they were supposed to do...end a riot.


soccergirl
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Being a soccer player myself, I seriously don't understand how these so-called MEN look up to the heavens, hide their face in their hands and squeeze out tears when they get a call against their team. Don't they realize how ridiculous they look? Grow up!!! Yes they are playing at the professional level, but this is the only sport where they burst into tears when the play is deemed unfair. Take it like a man, play on.

Again, these hotheads clashed with authorities. Bravo to Toronto Police for not taking any of it.


Kyle Morrison
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"All political relationships with Canada should be eliminated, along with any protection to Canadian ambassadors in Santiago."

Now, after reading this, how could anyone claim that the Chilean fans are anything but calm and reasonable?


Corina Contreras
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Canadians are really naive ... the police say that the Chileans are at fault and they gobble it up! Hey! Here's an idea ... Open your eyes! If you understood anything other than English than you could have seen the reports and FOOTAGE NOT seen here in Canada that said otherwise. There were at least 5 other countries (like Mexico, Colombia) that caught parts of what happened and who were witnesses to the events! The only ones believing this fairytale are the cops and some easily fooled Canucks.


Bruno
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"Threw acid in my face", come on, what a joke! If this guy is going to lie about that, then obviously they will lie about the whole story to make themselves look like angels, give me a break!


CTY
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You see, we are Canadian. If your city just lost the Stanley Cup, your fans riot. The police act. But it's over the next day. Then the players try harder next time. Now we see another sport where the players cry and place blame. Sure they are U-20, but be men, and respect the host country. Don't react towards us based on the feelings you have towards an international referee.


Ivan
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The irony of the whole situation is that police are usually present to protect teams from angry mobs, instead they assaulted them! Way to go constables!


Kevin K. Klaus
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Toronto Police did what they had to do. They are trained to prevent chaos and riots, and the players should have known better. Chile is upset with our cops? I say, who cares....


markus
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Chile is crying about squat. They started it, we ended it.


Lee
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Pretty typical South American football if you were to ask me. I wasn't surprised at all as to what happened, only surprise was the fact the brawl happened after the game and not during. I've seen it for years with South American teams, its the way they do things there.


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