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Date: Thu. Feb. 9 2012 9:52 PM ET

A series of new trade agreements between China and Canada had some Chinese officials setting their sights on a free-trade deal between the two nations Thursday -- but Canada's trade minister said he wasn't jumping into any new pacts.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper is visiting China along with key cabinet ministers and business representatives.

On Thursday, a joint statement from the two countries said they were partnering in an economic study that would be complete by May, at which time the two countries will begin "exploratory discussions on deepening trade and economic relations."

And on Wednesday, Harper and Premier Wen Jiabao oversaw the signing of a draft Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement that Harper said will make a major difference to Canadians doing business in the market.

Harper said the relationship was at a high point.

"The cumulative impact of these accords truly takes Canada-China relations to a new level," he said Thursday.

CTV's Roger Smith, travelling with the prime minister, said the cozy relations had Chinese officials suggesting a free trade deal was the next logical step.

However, International Trade Minister Ed Fast cautioned that the process wouldn't happen overnight.

"Let's not get ahead of ourselves," Fast said. "What we've done here is achieve a milestone, which is the foreign investment protection agreement."

Harper is expected to talk more about the future of business relations between the two countries later Thursday.

Also on Thursday, Harper was in attendance at a business convention as Canadian and Chinese companies signed 23 agreements worth an estimated $3 billion on everything from trains, to planes and hockey rinks, Smith said.

In addition to bringing home business deals, Harper is also coming back with an agreement to borrow two giant pandas from China for a decade.

The pandas will split their time between the Toronto and Calgary zoos over their 10-year visit, likely attracting millions of visitors and allowing years of collaborative conservation research.

"The pandas are a sign of friendship," said Smith. "But the panda diplomacy had a bit of a rough patch today."

Harper's team wanted to keep the story out of the press until the full announcement was made on Saturday, but instead, the Chinese wanted to get the information out earlier.

In the end, China got their way.

"The story's out, but we'll get more details on Saturday," said Smith, referring to a Harper visit to a panda preserve in Chongqing.

China and Canada also announced the end of negotiations on an export agreement for Canadian uranium.

They also agreed to increase their dialogue on human rights and work together to ensure education is a strategic priority in both countries.

"This is a tremendously exciting time in Canada-China relations," Harper told Wu Bangguo, chairman of the National People's Congress, during a bilateral meeting Thursday.

During a meeting with President Hu Jintao, Harper expressed concern about China's position on Syria and its apparent support for Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The United Nations Security Council recently put forward a resolution calling for Assad to step down amid the bloody crackdown being waged against demonstrators in his country.

However, China vetoed the resolution.

Canada looking to export resources

One key area of Canada's growing trade relationship with China resides with Alberta's oilsands.

Joe Nocera, a columnist with the New York Times, said that the recent decision by the White House to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline has made China a more favourable option for Canadian exports.

"It's important for Canada to look after its own personal interests," he said.

However, there has been some concern that by sending oil to China, Canada is harming its relationship with the U.S.

"But the oilsands give Canada a wonderful opportunity to expand their export base and to create energy security and they would be foolish not to take advantage of it," Nocera said.

"I think that's appropriate for Canada to do and I think America needs to think a little bit harder about what their own national interests are."

Meanwhile, Canada and China share similar interests with not only oil, but with other resources.

Indeed, China wants to buy and Canada wants to sell, said Smith.

However, a plan to take oil via the Northern Gateway pipeline to the British Columbia coast has faced opposition from Aboriginal groups and environmentalists, and Chinese leaders were keen to find out how the hurdles were coming along.

"The whole question is, will we get this pipeline built," said Smith. "They want this stuff as fast as we can give it to them."

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DanLaurin_Windsor
said

There is no way we should even consider a free trade agreement with China. Our high Paying manufacturing jobs are disappearing faster than you can say Nafta south while we are left with minimum wage service jobs.We need to start enforcing a made in Canada approach. If you want to sell something here make it here or go away.


Su Liu
said

Ask a FoxConn worker about a Chinese Boss.


Andy
said

Can't believe in a demoncratic , free country like Canada, people still can be so hostile! I'm totally shocked! If you think YOUR PM is doing a wrong thing, then NOT do it, he is NOT forced to fly to China, he fly there by himself, so ridiculous!


EX-Harper Voter
said

I voted for Harper but am sorry that I did. The traitor should be impeached.


Andy
said

what's wrong with trade to China? their human rights is bad I agree, but all these tread will creat jobs to both countries, and the resources will improve Chinese people's living standards, you critize their human rights, but now they are impriving the human rights--have a better living condition is also human's rights, you critize again, can't believe these mean comments are come from the people in the "most friendly country"-Canada!


silvertexover
said

My personal belief is that giving in to free trade with China is not a right thing to do given their track record of human rights abuse,the tibet situation and who can forget the massacre of the pro democratic supporters a few years ago.Not to forget they are hard fast supporters of Syria and Iran.It would be like opening our doors to them and believe me in a few years Canada would be in Chinese control.They have the economy and the might in their favour. stick to the southern brother who will stand by your side all the time..


Bubba Gump
said

Syria has oil? Resources? Hmmmm..fooled me!


g young Sherwood Park Ab.
said

china just bought the rights to a huge oilsands project a few months ago and are trying to get more before the U.S. beats them to it .Face it canadians, we have no say in the multi-billion dollar give away of our oil.If we don't built a big pipeline for china, then we'll build one for the U.S..Either way , our oil will be gone and we get nothing for it. Same as the insane power line we're building around edmonton to get our power to the U.S. Free trade just means that if we realize we're getting screwed,we cant do anything to stop it. tow the line sheeple, none of us have the money to stop it.


Tobias in North Bay
said

Let's be realistic - we buy Chinese goods like they're going out of style --- virtually all of us do. We need to be able to sell to them as well. If that means natural resources, so be it. If we don't have markets we can't generate enough economic activity on our own, nor exploit (yes the word is purposely chosen) our strengths. We should always try to sell value-added exports, but we can't turn our backs on raw exports.


testy
said

You can make "statements" to China about Human Rights and Syria all you want. It means nothing if you don't back it up with consequences. If you give them free trade for doing nothing, why would they consider changing their bad policies. It's like telling you 13 yr old he must stop bullying kids at school, then turning around and giving him a car before he's changed his ways. Harper's human rights "statements" are lip service to us... nothing more.


EE
said

"The United Nations Security Council recently put forward a resolution calling for Assad to step down amid the bloody crackdown being waged against demonstrators in his country."
- This is obviously a good-looking excuse. Who doesn't know western contries are trying to get control over Syria's oil and natural resources?!




Steph
said

@Mark O: Actually, Michael is right and for you not being able to make the difference between economic trading between countries and political differences 2 country could have makes you the one full of hot air! example, USA went to war in Iraq but Canada refused to follow, did we became ennemies? I am by no means trying to make you look like a fool, but just hoping you will understand the difference between economy and policy. Have a nice day


Reece
said

@Live together, peace YOU SAID "Goods now are also made from India, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Mexico, etc. Why few said anything about them ? Corporate greed & labour exploitation exist anywhere, any time...open your eyes." - - the reason why businesses prefer China is because of their lax environmental laws and lack of human rights. India, Mexico etc all have rights to assemble and even create unions. Their justice system isnt perfect but businesses are mindful that the media will call them out on any corrupting justice. On the other hand in China anyone who speaks up lose a liver or other organ. When was the last time a human rights activist lost his liver in Mexico? China removes all those major hurdles, you can taint dog food, baby food, and place lead in childrens toys yet your corporation wont face financial consequences. Its truly an evil empire.


edmontonian
said

boycott the China products and you will end up begging for food and shelters..which will it be?


Cambob in Toronto
said

Wasn't it just a few months ago that the left wing was screaming about how the Conservatives had forever ruined our relationship with China? And now, reading these posts, the left wing is screaming about how horrible a free trade pact would hurt their precious unions. It certainly seems that no matter what, the left wing will scream and scream. Makes me proud that the Liberal party was destroyed and the NDP is an impotent empty political force.


Also in NS
said

@ Frank in NS,I'm "Good Job" and no, I am not unemployed, I actually just got home from job of the last 20 years. The fact that I have some insight to Canadian China trade relations and the treatment of Canadian injured vets compared to China's or other counties armed forces does not have anything to do with the hours I work. Thanks for your 2 cents, but you are overcharging for your opinion.


History repeats, we never learn
said

Joey Smallwood thought he got a rocking deal on NL Hydo to Quebec, same as Harper is thinking selling oil rights to China is a rocking deal. Quebec has controlled NL Hydro and reaped billions while NL has no control of Hydro on it's own land. We should not be in a rush to sell our natural resources. Refine it ourselves, and sell it slowly over the next 50 years, not sell it cheap and have our lands raped in 10 years. Once it is gone, or the rights are sold, it will be to late.


Chinas Arab Spring is coming!!
said

Slave labour, lax or non-existent enviornmental laws, no human rights where it counts. You lose your organs when you speak the truth against Chinas tyrannical rule. 20,000 violent clashes per year, political prisoners galore,Tiananmen Square massacre, just some of the very nasty traits of that country. Why are we trying to provide fuel to that nation again? Why on earth we would want to power that unethical weasle of a country? Harper, you are such a hypocrite - you wont sell out human rights for a buck? You did more than that - you sold out, you powered that regime, and what we Canadians received in exchange was a damn Panda Bear!


Shoeman1975
said

Thank you for all those who votes for Harper.I hope you'll all be happy when no-one has any jobs left if he decides on free-trade since all our jobs will have been shipped there...Can we get him out now??? I knew the majority meant BIG trouble for Canada...


Hunter Brumell
said

I am surprised by the hatred some Canadians have for the Chinese. We have been screwed for years by the Americans (Avro Arrow, softwood lumber, WTI price for oil instead of Brent, etc etc). China represents an excellent way to reduce our dependance on the US to below 50%.


simone
said

Are they out of their minds. FREE TRADE with China will be anything but free. China takes and doesn't share. Harper what are you thinking.? Oh right it's money and greed yet again. The human rights in China are non-existent and criminal element run the country. We have experienced this by some of them that were let into Canada. That's another issue.This is one time politicians MUST listen to the people of Canada.ARE THEY COMPLETE MORONS?


Craig from NS
said

"Free Trade" when the "Free People".


keepcalm
said

For all the complaints on how China is stealing jobs from Canada... Why don't Canadians buy Canadian made goods? I know there aren't many options left for that, but why is it? Because our parents chose not to buy Canadian made goods either, thus driving the Canadian manufacturers out of business. Buy local, check the labels, don't choose quantity over quality, and things will change.


Chinawouldbebest
said

SEE my response to some of the comments that where made by Natalie,BA and Greg.They limited me to 300 characters.My thoughts on the matter that is all. hope I can find some support with my fellow tumblr Canadians. :)
/ canadianliberties on tumblr





Anthony
said

Even word cautious would not be cautious enough when discussing trade with China, all one has to do is to look at our trade balance with China to date, and even worse look at balance of trade between US and China. It is outright scary one way street.


In A Word
said

Wow people really spin off in a tangent on articles like this. Someone suggests free trade with China and people leap frog to the idea that China is now building orphanages in Canada and raising the children to work in sweat shops. And people on here just love to use the word vitriol, be it excessively. Listen carefully to what China is saying. They are saying FEE trade, not FREE trade.


Doug from Whitehorse
said

I think I should throw in a reminder here. Although often presented otherwise, both by government and the media, natural resource based industries (agriculture, forestry, fishing, hunting/trapping, mining and oil and gas extraction) only represented about 6% of Canada's Gross Domestic Product in 2010 and 7% in 2001. The incomplete stats (December isn't in yet) for resource based industries actually show a drop in 2011. We are not a resource-based economy and have not been for some time.


Bumcrack USA
said

Remember Cartepillar's recent plant closure in Ontario. How many other prosperous companies, do you think, will tell their employees they'll move their plant to China if they don't take a 50% salary cut? Salaries in China are between $100 and $200 a month, and the country has very few of those "pesky" environmental and safety regulations to contend with.


Joan in Real World
said

The only thing we have to offer the Chinese are our natural resources. They will be able to make our manufactured goods at a much lesser cost. Selling of our raw resources is NOT sound in the long term. This scheme will only benefit corporations who control resources or those who will move their operations to China to take advantage of slave wages. Ordinary Canadians will lose jobs. We need to protect what's left of our manufacturing sector and create local natural resources processing jobs.


V.T.
said

You are a whole bunch of hipocrites who complained about human rights. Are you blind for not seeing that there are so many inhumane issues inside your own countries that you ignored but using another country like China as a scapegoat for your political wickedness from time to time.For so many years, cheap labours in China had been helping the outside investors to reap enormous profit but you keep opening your gutted mouth shouting that China robs the jobs from your countries.Your people are also a bunch of ungrateful and disgusted animals who denied the fact that the cheap China-make products have helped out so many low income people to spend less and save more on their daily expenses. Otherwise, many people in your countries have to suffer due to the high cost of living.Stop blaming others by looking back into your own guilts!


Adam
said

Free trade with China! They would flood our market with their cheap products made by slaves and we would all loose our jobs because we wont work for one fifth of minimum wage. And if our products are too good they wont be allowed for sale inside of China anyways. in fact they will take it and copy it for themselves. We should be the ones importing resources from china and producing products not the other way around.


Mark O
said

Michael Thanks for the hot air but we will have to sell our oil cheaper to the Chinese than the US. Canada's production costs are so high there is no way the Chinese people can afford to buy any thing we make, so thank again for the empty hot air in your comment. Bottom line is that China supports Iran and Syria so any exchange of dollars or other products is supporting Iran & Syria.


Trevor H.
said

free trade with China means more companies closing and moving to China sweatshops. Before Harper is voted out of office he is going to make sure that Canada will be so screwed up!!


fed up
said

Yes China is buying everything it can when it comes to natural resources but that is only normal for the Chinese gov. This country is protecting it's future when it comes to natural resources. They remind me of a small mammal and making sure it as enough in reserve to survive either a long winter or just to survive itself. China in Africa as invested and bought everything when it comes to natural resources but also as invested in educating the people of that continent and making sure they have free medical care etc.. in return to help the people.


Future Tibetan
said

We will see how China will treat us when they own the oil in the ground, the workers who extract it, the pipeline to the coast and the ports and ships to take the oil home. Any one that interfers should check with Tibet as to how China will treat us as they will claim that they are only taking what is rightfully theirs by force if neccessary. We will wimper, the Security Council will be ineffectual and our shortsighted profits will not matter as in the end might will be right, along with the contracts signed by Canada.


Marcus
said

The closer relations and ties with China are troublesome for a lot of CANADIANS for good fundamental reasons. Canada must be careful with how tight it ties to & trusts a vastly different civilization that does not share the same philosophy of Democracy nor Rule of Law, to name just two. Canada must also be careful of tight ties it has with a country that has a population of over FORTY (40) TIMES our own, which creates vastly different magnitudes of demand between each other. Any "foreign investment protection agreement" with such a nation, at face value, is dangerous.


slaman
said

I am very disappointed that Stephen Harper didn't take a stricter stance with China on its veto of the recent UN Security Council resolution.

China is going unchecked in its financial support of brutal dictatorships throughout Africa and the Middle East...

and here we are hoping to strengthen our economic ties with this nation?

Where are our Canadian principles Mr. Harper?


live-together-in-peace-and-harmony
said

Well said, Pierre!
"
Pierre
Come on, guys...the reality is that the East is now rising ! The West squandered its natural,financial,& human resources for over half a century ! In the 50's-60's, goods were made in Japan;60's-80's, from Hong Kong; 80's-now,from China...people complained about the same thing,cheap crappy !Goods now are also made from India, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Mexico, etc. Why few saidanything about them ? Corporate greed & labour exploitation exist anywhere, any time...open your eyes & see the reality; visit China, with an open mind, to see what they did RIGHT for the past 30 yrs of reform for their people & the nation ! Stopcriticizing China on Human Rights & mind own business ! Look after Canadians & our Aboriginalpeople is our priority, live together in peace and harmony, as one great people, one great nation !!

"




Ron
said

The ABC are out in force today.

I'll remind them it was Liberal paragon Michael Ignatieff that was spouting on the need to improve Canada <> Chinese trade relations.

So I'm not sure where the vitriol comes from.

That said, I am happy by the caution expressed by Canada about a 'free trade' deal. And I'm very happy about the economic boost the existing deals bring.

To me, this is very good news for Canada.


Chris Anca
said

Be very concerned about selling uranium to a military power like China. It is very dangerous to mix wiht the communist party and its army.


joel
said

As mentioned on CBC this morning our manufacturing has suffered and these countries should rely on there on manufacturing needs and more localized systems. Why does China need trees from across the sea when it has Russia next door with its abundance. I live in Northern BC and understand its importance but this industry does not and will not last. We must resource industries and trade commodities other then natural resources looking towards models as that sell products and not resources (Sweden, Swiss, Japanese economies), becoming a role model in global goverance sustainability since its foolish to think we are looking to long terms goals. Its clear we have high unemployment, with an large under educated workforce but it doesn't have to be reflected in this country and its doesn't take rocket science or the obsecurification of a politician to know that we need to sell replenish-able products and localize our manufacturing sector, recycling money within our own economy for Canadian citizens to benefit off of and not other countries.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

And the obstinate delusion on the part of anti-Conservatives continues. Why isn't interim Liberal leader Bob Rae jumping up and down in disgust right now? Answer: If the Liberals weren't decimated last May, Michael Ignatieff, as PM, would be proceeding as Stephen Harper is right now. (Undoubtedly, he would be consulting with "Mr. China," former Liberal PM Chretien, at critical steps along the way.) Only a fool believes that a Canadian PM could waltz into China and shake things up on the human rights front with critical discussion or even the most tactful expression of concerns (as PM Harper has, in fact, already done). China does what China wants, and the gross passivity of the Chinese people is something do-gooders need to consider. Increased trade with massive-market China benefits Canadian business and, in turn, the Canadian people. Encompassing agreements are strategic, and free-trade will not occur without conditions. However, we're talking about NET benefits here; meaning, there will be losers outnumbered by winners. Ultimately, capitalism rules. Indeed, it is about money, because without trade, in the context of global competition, our standard of living cannot be maintained or improve, and that of the Chinese people will not advance, as it slowly and gradually is. Sometimes reality bites. Grow up, folks. Thanks.


Daniel
said

Here I just find there are so many readers wearing with color-glasses! China has its own system and it has its interests, just like we have ours. It doesn't mean China is a bad guy. Harper is having a state visit on some business areas. He definitely knows what he is doing that benefits Canada. I don't think he should TEACH Chinese what human right is, what the right is in UN.


George
said

The fact of the matter is, China supports Iran so any trade we do with the Chinese, those dollars will go to support Iran and the unrest in Syria. Way to go Steve, that should make our neighbors to the south really happy.


Shane
said

As a Capitalist i am still weary about these agreements. Turning our backs on America may not be the wisest choice in the longer term. The Chinese economy is extremely fragile and could almost be considered a bubble. The American economy is still the largest and most stable in the world and it will come back. Any argument dooming America to some second class economic status is silly. There's another part of this which requires attention. China's record on human rights, democracy and freedom is abysmal. In addition they are currently expanding military operations and presence in certain key areas of the world. This matters to America and, by proxy, matters to us. Its difficult for us to make new trade friends when those friends turn their backs on the people being slaughtered in Syria fighting for the same rights we have to make trade deals with China. The irony is a little disturbing. Canada is unique in that we practice not just Capitalism but also Compassionate Capitalism.


Steve O
said

reidjr No you need to do the math, the average Canadian make 3500 per month, a 1960's 600 square foot apartment in the city costs $1400 per month the government takes $800/month, a vehicle & it's expense is about $500/ per month. That leaves 800 for food, clothing, hydro, phone & internet. What do you want us to do? Move out to Hickville into a trailer court & make half the salary?


J.L.
said

Maybe Canada should send all their union leaders to China, so that they can ruin their economy too. Would that help you pessimists?


Homeworker
said

The real issue here, is the refusal of Obama to approve the Keystone pipe line. This is Harper at his tactical best. This mission will now ensure dual competition for Canada's greatest resource. It further reflects the growing reality of a strong Western Provincial power base within Canada. Get used to it Eastern Canada. Oil sands will set you free!!


DL Kingston
said

China has already stated that anything they invest in Canada, where jobs are involved, they want workers from China employed. Not you or me or our kids or grandkids. Workers from China will be paid the going Canadian wage for their work and then MUST pay the 'excess' to the company from China. Never mind going to China to discuss the human rights issues, they'll just bring them to Canada. Wait for it .....


Remarkable
said

What is with these doomsday comments about free trade, the end of our sovereignty, doom and gloom. Look, the PM is not going to sell the farm, he isn't going to sign over our sovereignty, it is business. If a free trade agreement is ever put in place between the two countries, Canada will have to benefit one way or another, China will have to benefit. No government, no PM will ever sign any deal with anybody if it is going to hurt the country. Before any deal is signed, the details will be very complex so every I will need to be dotted, ever T crossed and then the lawyers and business professionals will disect it, read it again, disect it some more, splice it, dice it and then will negotiate.


Michael
said

It seems that all the comments made about Harpers visit to China were about how Canada is going to loose jobs to China.That only happens when we are buying from another ie: USA , but Harper is not there to BUY from China, he is tere to SELL to China, that means jobs in Canada.Hireing employees to get the goods to China on time .Canadian beef exported to China etc.not the other way around , higher production at the tar sands means more employees needed.A new pipeline to Vancouver will create jobs . And lets not forget good ol usa, we just stepped up the stakes , The Yanks are now in a position where if they don't buy our oil we will ship it to China. Usa NEEDS our cheap bitumen oil, if thier # 1 enemy gets thier oil they will become extremey vulnerable ! Canada is now in a position where WE control the price, amount and destination of any oil going to the USA ..........NICE GOING STEPHEN !


Lorne-MTL
said

China supports Iran. Has anybody thought about what happens when China gets access to our uranium through free trade? Turns around and sells it to Iran? Canada is the second largest producer of uranium. Uranium is a radioactive matter used for nuclear power.


Shane
said

It's not clear what effect Canada's whining about China supporting a brutal gov using violence against its own people? LOL. That is the effect our gov had on them. No one stood up when China invaded Tibet and no one will turn them away when they (China) want to bring the money to the table regardless of their human rights abuses. Money.


Bumcrack USA
said

The average salary in China is between $100 and $200 a month. How can we ever compete with this? Manufacturers will move their business to China faster than you can say "panda". This will make corporations richer but will eliminate thousands of jobs in Canada. Does anyone doubt this?


BA
said

The thought of our country being in bed with China truly disgusts me. I'm beginning to realize that Harper is only looking after the corporate elites and their shareholders. A free trade agreement will only benefit the greedy corporations in this country, and help create even more slave wage manufacturing jobs in China. If Harper was truly concerned about the average Canadian, he wouldn't be trying to make it easier and more profitable for corporations to further outsource labour to other countries. It's not only manufacturing jobs that are being moved overseas. There are many companies outsourcing skilled labour positions, such as drafting/design services, I.T. support, etc. Do the rest of you ever think that one day you might lose your job to someone overseas who will do the same thing for pennies on the dollar? Instead of putting a stop to this like he should be doing, Harper is further opening the door and companies will gladly walk through. We are truly headed for disaster in this country if we continue down this path. I regret voting for Harper.


Jayme
said

Greg
Don't forget it some people on the far left that think canada should bring in 100 million new canadians over the next 10 years.


leo
said

Those pandas on loan aren't cheap. About a million dollars a year, still better value than Bouwmeester.


Pierre
said

Come on, guys...the reality is that the East is now rising ! The West squandered its natural,financial,& human resources for over half a century ! In the 50's-60's, goods were made in Japan;60's-80's, from Hong Kong; 80's-now,from China...people complained about the same thing,cheap crappy !Goods now are also made from India, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Mexico, etc. Why few saidanything about them ? Corporate greed & labour exploitation exist anywhere, any time...open your eyes & see the reality; visit China, with an open mind, to see what they did RIGHT for the past 30 yrs of reform for their people & the nation ! Stopcriticizing China on Human Rights & mind own business ! Look after Canadians & our Aboriginalpeople is our priority, live together in peace and harmony, as one great people, one great nation !!


Quality
said

When was the last time you looked at the labels on the goods you purchased, be it clothing or household items, etc? It is hard to find anything manufactured in Canada or the US. So, these issues are not something that just started within the last 6 years. Must say the quality of Canadian or US goods was far superior! It's all about money!


Greg
said

The usual suspects need to step back and take a deep breath, let go of your mindless love for Harper and consider the reality of the situation....it's not what you are claiming. Canada has some of the highest wages in the world, we can't compete with a country that has the lowest wages in the world. Canadians can't afford to take big wage decreases because our housing cost have skyrocketed in the past few years. We have only Harper to thank you the huge imbalance opening up immigration flood gates wealthy foreigners have been buying up our real estate pricing Canadians out of the picture. I sell real estate for a living but I bet that pie cart and the rest of the paid neo-con reformers will be out to tell me this isn't so.


Gary Parker
said

Wow, terrible idea Mulroney II. Free trade kills jobs.


Canadian Bob
said

Panda bears before Human Rights... WOW. Harper can hold his head high on that one. So let's cage those poor animals in Toronto, and for what purpose? oh yah... MONEY! Animal rights, human rights, senior rights, environmental rights. That's quite the full trash bin Harper has beside his desk. I hope the next government has a Super Duper Swiffer! They're going to need it!


John from Fenlon Falls
said

China is in the driver's seat now; they have all the money, and manufacturing power. It is not Harper that raised "Free Trade", but the Chinese. There is not a better man available to do business with China and get Canada a "good" trade deal. Thank God it's Harper on our side. But the odds are against us, China wants our resources and has the means to get them.


reidjr
said

Steve O
No people need to be smarter with there money what people have to keep in mind is if min wage goes up to $25 so does the cost of goods.


Dan from Calgary
said

I just hope it is not too late to save Canada from Harper's mission which is to sell Canada to the highest bidder...Mr. Harper I dare you to but this to a vote with Canadians...your corporate buddies can't wait to send our jobs over to China and their cheap labour market.


Michael from the real world
said

Dowell has the rights of it--what our PM has done has been to give him credibility with the Chinese. They know he can talk human rights, and they know he can talk business. What I think we can show is that Canadians can compete with anyone in the world [no, not on lowest wages] but with and well-educated population working on high-tech products. That, coupled with our complete blessing of natural resources, will continue to raise our standard of living. What the present government has done is to demonstrate [fully] the paucity of the former Liberal regime's policies with respect to advancing Canada's reach in the world.


Still a conservative but...
said

Interesting...presently, my business that was buying parts from american companies located in Canada has seen more and more parts coming from the states while their canadian offices are closing. It hasn't happened overnight but it's not stopping. Obama is slowly bringing the manufacturing jobs back into the US. It's the end result of free trade. Now my friend Steve is going after China. They can make it happen overnight!Steve says that we can compete with all of them...is he dreaming? How can you compete against cheap labor? We question the Chinese when it comes to quality...lately that's becoming less and less of an issue. We say gas prices will make transportation too expensive to outsource...the prices will just increase accordingly but it will still be cheaper to manufacture over there. People are complaining about Obama but he's bringing back his jobs while Steve is preparing the field to outsource ours.


Will
said

The usual suspects need to step back and take a deep breath, let go of your mindless hate and consider the reality of the situation....it's not what you are claiming. As for Bumcrack USA-if you are an american you have no business speaking up. BUTT OUT!


Jim
said

Free trade with China is not a good news for Canadians.
this mean Canadian jobs will be lost to Chinese Manufacturer that pays their staff well bellow our minimum wage eliminating us as a competition.

This is NOT good news MR HARPER.

STOP DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY!!!!!!


IslandGuy
said

For all the naysayers who have nothing better to do but complain, what would you rather this PM do? Turn his (and our country's) back on one of the largest economies and markets in the world. Read the other article about the challenges we Canadians are having to save for our retirement! We need to build respectful trading relationships with other countries like or not to keep our kids employed.


Lorne
said

Does anybody think that China really cares about what PM Harper has to say about human rights issues? Think again.The only reason China wants a possible free trade agreement with Canada is because they want to get their hands on the resources this country has. It's that simple.China would like nothing better than to be able to buy into companies in this country, in order to have some control of where these resources will be sent. Preferably China!!!!


BOBO
said

We do not need a free trade deal with China!! Has Harper and the rest of our political leaders lost their minds?? Have these politicians not screwed enough people out of a job in Canada yet!! Where do these knuckleheads figure they are going to get the money to run Canada if they continue to bring in cheap foreign goods with free trade deals while getting rid of Canadian workers!! Start creating jobs for people in Our Country first before your stupid adjendas!! You can't get blood out of a stone!!


zephon
said

This is good for China and Canada.

Capitalism and free trade will help both nations people in the end.


dowell
said

A few years ago you liberals bashed the PM for not playing with China and now your bashing him for playing ball. Get off the fence and make a commitment will you. What a bunch of whiners you are.


Brian in Kingston
said

When he was in opposition, Harper trashed Martin for being soft on human rights vis-a-vis China, and selling out to the "almighty dollar". What a difference a majority makes! What an hypocrite. I can't believe we chose these crooks over the liberals.


Brent
said

China is the growing future whilst the USA is the dieing past. Good on our politicians and businessmen for looking forward to better our situation and that of the Chinese. And the Panda's are cute too!


Steve O
said

Be prepared to accept starvation wages or see your job exported to China. Harper is just throwing away more of our tax dollars and giving away our oil. It of no benefit to have free trade with a country where wages are a dollar per hour. In Canada we need at least $ 25 per hour to make ends meet. Sure we can buy lots of their cheap crap but they don't make enough to buy anything that we make. The Chinese people prefer to buy things made in Italy or Japan. I wonder how much the rent on the Panda is?


Nanette
said

China has a shameless record regarding human rights. For one, it has vetoed sanctions against Syria. Why does Harper condone this by jumping at the chance to do business with its government? And why are the right-wing posters on this site who are usually so quick to brand anyone with an opposing view as a "socialist" or "communist" now have no problem getting in bed with China. --- Greed does wonderful things, doesn't it?


Mark in Newmarket
said

A very smart idea, Canada will benefit from a free trade deal with China. Alot of ground will need to be covered before such a deal is ever signed, but it could open the door to what is soon to be the largest economy in the world and with our resources, we will be able to satisfy China's needs.


Stu
said

But today a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said yes, China would veto a similar resolution if it came to the UN again so it's not clear what effect the prime minister's statements have had. It's pretty obvious the Chinese didn't listen to a word Harper said, what a waste of our tax dollars. Harper will soon bankrupt our great nation.


Tim
said

The Toronto Zoo is under-funded. Who is going to fund hosting the two pandas? How about cutting MP's ridiculous pension welfare or using the money from corporate tax cut to fund the Toronto Zoo. And with some money left over, fund the Calgary Zoo.


GTA
said

Good move by a smart and savvy Prime Minister while Obama is systematically destroying the U.S. China soon to be the world next Super Power.


Sam
said

Talk about a mouse jumping in bed with a elephant.Free trade with China may enrich the oil tycoons but will demolish what little manufacturing we have left after NAFTA.People not only elect but then applaud politicians who export their jobs,attack workers wages,wage war on the social safety net and shift tax from corporate and elites to middle class and poor.The greatest generation who emerged out of the days of the robber barons to build the middle class and all the benefits that came with it have watched the spoiled baby boomers tear it all down and deliver us back into the hands of todays robber barons.Would not think stupidity could run so rampant but seeing is believing.


katzy
said

What a joke he is, when will he land.Joe Mc has it pegged.


Lorne in Port Hope
said

YAY! We get to borrow 2 Pandas for "pandering" to the Chinese. All we have to do is sign a few deals and forget about human rights abuses in China (and the fact that they support the Syrian Holocaust, and imprisoned a Chinese-Canadian for ...5 years for speaking out about human rights). Thanks Stevie! Hopefully the Pandas will be lazy, stupid, and have black eyes (to symbolize our government).


Darren in Sudbury
said

Most economists have predicted that China will have the world's largest economy within the next decade or two. In order to protect what's left of our manufacturing base, we must have access to diverse markets. Being almost completely dependant on one trading partner like the US has dire consequences when one idiot president can allow that economy, and the world's along with it, to free fall. It will take more than one or two terms for the following president to correct those mistakes and recover even a fraction of the lost GDP. Unfortunately, we are now stuck with another Free Trade government that will ensure what remains of our manufacturering base will move to China, much life they moved to Mexico and the US after Mulrooney's free trade agreement. The jobs always follow the cheapest wages and the most lax labour standards which push wages and living standards down everywhere. It's a global version of the WalMart Effect. The Human Rights issue is a red herring. China will never wake up just because we ask because they see it as more foreign meddling in their affairs. Harper damn well knows that any government that pushes the issue will simply be excluded from the future Chinese economy. China will only change under a coordinated effort from all countries and that will never happen. China will always dangle the carrot of trade and pay nothing but lip service to the plight of their own people, let alone the millions under brutal occupation. What we gain in trade agreements we will lose in our collective standard of living. Just watch.


manager
said

well folks!! I think most of these posters have know clue what we are taking about china.what we have now is that everything is made in China. Everything made in China!!! Who made these products? Chinese or Canadian? Sorry folks, all jobs will be created in China not in Canada. This is simple because labor is less than $1 per hour. Who makes money? Companies make money.So companies making deal for making more profit. I do not care who is in power and all are same politian.


Canadian Bob
said

Agreeing to increase dialogue on human rights issues means absolutely nothing and is a dismal step forward for something that we've been aware of for decades. Economically beneficial deals are important for Canada, but when they overshadow something as important as human rights, and when people support ignoring the pathetic record China has for the treatment of its citizens (which is effectively what Harper is doing), we are a part of the problem. What I find sad is that anyone in this country would place economic benefit before the treatment of another human being. People who benefit each and every day from our own declaration of human rights here at home are willing to make money off of the backs of those who are abused by their government? The Universal Declaration of Human Rights applies to everyone folks, and sidestepping it to make money is NOT something to be proud of. Having the majority that Harper has does not entitle him to tarnish the reputation of this country or its people in this regard. Mark my word, his concern for human rights in China is not a concern, and he will not engage in any dialogue. Anyone who believes otherwise is but a foolish follower of a very out of touch and dangerous leader. And I'm not talking as a Liberal, NDP, Green or any other party supporter, I am talking as a Canadian - first, foremost and only.


Uncle B
said

Good on you Harper! Canada needs to pull away from the failing economy south of our border, as Yankee Doodle faces economic desperation, even forcing war on Iran, provoking war in Syria, to churn money though the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) for a greater "skim" for its shareholders, Uber Rich Americans, New York Financial houses and Israel. The "Fed's" (run by "private" interests) in U.S. intend Q3, 4, 5, 6, "Easings" - fiat "Funny Money" printing sessions - to pay for these wars on the backs of the average American citizens and anyone vested in the U.S. Dollar. Canada must not get caught up in this "Vortex" as the U.S. economy fails and sucks all dependent parties, economies, with it.Multi-lingual, multi-cultural, and flexible, Canada must now look to teaching Mandarin in grade schools, so as to prepare our 30 M to properly understand and join into the 1600 M trading partners we seek, in the East, and a welcoming reception by the 6000 M of the new and rising Pan Eurasian marketplace, as we let go of the 300 M failing American marketplace. American culture 300 years old now, will evaporate into the new world wide cultures in this, the ground floor of the new communications age. An age where Canadian Multi-lingualism will be most valued. The fissioning of uranium and severe oil dependence in U.S. failing now to keep up with Thorium reactors (CANDU up an running in China) and electric bullet train technologies to transport workers. Harper in moving towards the vast Pan Eurasian market place relieves some of Canadian dependency on the U.S. and at a very good time to do so. Good on you Stephan - Caterpillar and the screwing you took there makes for all the more reason to deal with China.


Canadian
said

I love the hypocracy being spouted by the Harper CONS, the article starts by having a CON say "See we can still be friends while applying pressure for reform" then ends with China saying "We'll do what we want to do, forget you Canada". What a joke to believe that China cares about doing commerce with us. They only care because there's tons of Canada for them to raid.


David in Dartmouth
said

Hmmmm... lets see here.....Brian Mulrooney saw fit to have most of our best paying jobs...and with it the financial security and future of our children to Mexico...and nowwww his clone ....Steven Harper wishes to ship what little is left in the Eastern part of this country from (Ontario and points east) to China in order that we Eastern Canadians can enjoy a further sharp reduction in our standard of living....I don't recall hearing anything about that one in the last election..pity..!!!


Gerry
said

Good job P.M.Harper Broke Obama has no pandas.


Munro - Brampton
said

Is this like free trade with the US ? A lot of good that did. Will China then be buying up all our Canadian companies ?


Joe Mc
said

@ richard robinson What a real joke, you can’t be serious? Did you actually believe he has convinced China to turn a new leaf? Get a life, , there is no substance in this article at all. The wording is well calculated, where they will hold “Exploratory Discussions” to deepen trade with China. Even on the news reels from overseas, you do not get to hear the “Stern” warning to China from HARPO, just said that we should believe that he did warn them… again, what a joke. China will buy 20% of our GDP exports and clone them, we will never reach parody with them. I suspect he will now spend billions opening offices and consulates in China to facility allllll that trade we won’t get.


Steph
said

To all the whiners and complainers, regardless what the elected government does or doesn't do you will always be there arguing against each and every move they do. If the Liberals are the "voice of reason" and cannot do wrong, can someone explain to me why they only got 34 voted in out of 308? Stop with your ranting, if you cannot provide an alternative solution to a problem, if there is one in the first place, just sit down and have a slice of humble pie. PM Harper promised during election campaign that the economy would be priority #1 and this is exactly what they are doing, great job PM!


A Koster
said

Just heard on bbc that chinese food inflation is 10.5% .. does this really sound like the country that is supposed to be a world dominating power? Is it really the kind of country that we want to hurry along free trade with? Harper is used to to giving our raw resources away for a pittance.. the Chinese love it, and hell why not?.. he can just make it up on the backs of Canadian citizens.


Rich
said

Why wouldn’t China want to set up a free trade agreement with Canada? Canada has so much to offer in terms of natural resources, very low corporate taxes and that’s net even considering Alberta's corporate friendly oil industry where among the lowest royalties are collected, in comparison to any oil producing region of the world and protecting the environment is just an afterthought. For the Chinese, setting up shop in Canada is just like setting up shop at home.


URU
said

This is NOT a Human Rights issue - WE HERE IN CANADA have many Human Rights issues. Lets not pretend people!


David H in Ottawa
said

Jimminy Cricket, please do some research before you make such ridiculous comments. This move by the Harper government is a huge step way from our trade relationships with the United States. He is looking to protect Canada economical future, as the US is about to become bankrupt. We must establish a relationship with the next new economical world leader, China. And regarding your comments directed at Nike, most of their product is actually made in India and Indonesia, yes in sweat shops, but still, not China. Get with the program!


JayRoc
said

This is the same Harper that slammed the gov't while he was in Opposition for dealing with China and ignoring human rights....that same Harper who will say anything to gain power. What Harpocrisy.


Jesse
said

This is such a bad idea. Hey China stop manipulating your currency. Think about it, how is it cheaper to send raw materials across the world have them made into a product then ship it back. The only thing protecting what little production jobs we have left are the tarrifs.



richard robinson
said

Prime Minister Harper has initiated a good first step to improve Human Rights in China. Well Done!


Frank in NS
said

"Good Job" appears to have a lot of the "answers" for qorld problems. Maybe he is underemployed and should be making leadership decisions. But wait, isn't it easier to criticize than actually make a sound decision and stand by it?


Jimminy Cricket
said

Why would you set up free trade with a country that locks kids in a factory for less than $1/day? It's already bad enough companies like Nike have all of their products made in China. Now we're not even going to tax Chinese made goods? Where's the incentive to keep the jobs here? Obama is doing the opposite. Get with the program!!!


jim
said

Is Wu doing an ad for "Subway"? :-)


Good Job,
said

Good Job Mr Harper, now give back the pension system to our injured vets pre 2005, you can afford it.The Liberal introduction of and the Conservative turning a blind eye to the sham of the New Veteran's Charter has slashed injured Vets pensions by 50%! Even China treats it injured Vets better!


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