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Prime Minister Stephen Harper takes part in a toast with Wen Jiabao, premier of the Peolpe's Republic of China, following a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Prime Minister Stephen Harper, left, talks with Chinese President Hu Jintao during their meeting at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (AP / Liu Jin, Pool) Prime Minister Stephen Harper takes part in a toast with Wen Jiabao, premier of the Peolpe's Republic of China, following a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) David Mulroney, Canadian Ambassador to China, right, looks on as Prime Minister Stephen Harper holds a news conference in Beijing, China on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Prime Minister Stephen Harper arrives to a news conference in Beijing, China on Wednesday, Dec. 2, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Ottawa waited too long to visit Beijing: premier

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper takes part in a toast with Wen Jiabao, premier of the Peolpe's Republic of China, following a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Prime Minister Stephen Harper, left, talks with Chinese President Hu Jintao during their meeting at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (AP / Liu Jin, Pool) Prime Minister Stephen Harper takes part in a toast with Wen Jiabao, premier of the Peolpe's Republic of China, following a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) David Mulroney, Canadian Ambassador to China, right, looks on as Prime Minister Stephen Harper holds a news conference in Beijing, China on Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Prime Minister Stephen Harper arrives to a news conference in Beijing, China on Wednesday, Dec. 2, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper, left, talks with Chinese President Hu Jintao during their meeting at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009. (AP / Liu Jin, Pool)

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Date: Thu. Dec. 3 2009 10:54 PM ET

Chinese officials have emphasized that Prime Minister Stephen Harper's first visit to Beijing was too long in the making, during a high-profile trip in which Ottawa is trying to improve icy relations between the two countries.

During Harper's first-ever meeting with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao on Thursday, the Canadian leader was reminded that he had not visited the country since becoming prime minister.

Wen also drew attention to the fact that no Canadian leader had visited Beijing for five years.

"Five years is too long a time of China-Canada and that's why there were comments in the media that your visit should have taken place earlier," the premier said through an interpreter, while talking to Harper in front of television cameras.

The remarks from Wen, however, weren't the first from the Chinese government on Thursday. An hour before the diplomatic rebuke in front of the TV cameras, Chinese President Hu Jintao twice emphasized that it was Harper's first visit to Beijing.

In return, Harper noted that no Chinese leader had visited Canada over the same period of time.

The gentle prods seemed to confirm Chinese media reports that suggested Canada-China ties have eroded since Harper's election in 2006. In a recent editorial in the official China Daily newspaper, the Canadian prime minister's official visit was described as an "ice-breaking trip."

Back in Canada, Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said Wen's statements should be taken seriously, as it is unusual for China to voice their concerns in such a public manner.

Rae also accused Harper of "deliberate disregard" towards China, which is harming Canada's relationship with the growing economic superpower.

But the prime minister says he is working to improve the relationship and to express Canada's interest in China and its culture.

On the same day that the Canadian prime minister visited the Great Wall, Harper told Hu that he had always wanted to visit China ever since he was young. He also said Canada's diplomatic ties with China go back 40 years and that he hoped his visit to Beijing would improve the economic relations between the two countries.

Later in the day, Harper told reporters at a news conference that it is necessary for Ottawa to visit Beijing more often.

There have also been a few small concessions by Beijing in recent days.

On Thursday, China notified Canada that it would be granted "approved destination status," something the Canadian tourism industry has long requested. The designation, which Harper spokesperson Dimitri Soudas said was unexpected, will permit Chinese tourism agents to market Canada as a vacation spot.

Ministers from Canada and China also signed four memorandum of understanding pledging co-operation on climate control and scientific and technical assistance.

Two days ago, China dropped its ban on the import of Canadian pork, a trade valued at about $50 million.

According to Paul Evans, an expert on Canada-China relations at the University of British Columbia, China's comments need to be taken with a grain of salt.

"This was a mild rebuke, but in the context of a pretty positive visit," Evans told CTV News Channel Thursday.

He added that the visit is a major opportunity for Canada to re-establish ties with China, the which is the second largest economy in the world.

Chinese-Canadian relations have been icy recently, as Harper hasn't shied away from China's human rights record. Perhaps the nadir of the relationship occurred when Harper declined to attend the Beijing Olympics in 2008, which was seen as a major diplomatic rebuke.

With files from The Canadian Press


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Jim McB
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If a relative stays away for a long time or a friend you would greet them with the same words. The difference is that the media or cynical opposition members would not be interpreting your words. The opposition got free media time today to tell us how bad the PM has been by not going to China and how it has hurt the country. He probably achieved in one day more than all the Liberal trips there. That is hard for Ignatief to swallow. The Liberal Pinochio, Rae also repeated the message, but his credibility is so stretched that there will be no impact.It is good to see that we have the right government, performing well and achieving the national goals we deserve!


Fools Rush In
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Who cares if we didn't suck up to the China? Only a Lib would rush out to back-slap the Communists. What kind of values does a person have who only sees China as an economy? Let's get their money, let's get their money. The Libs would sell their souls for a brown bag full of cash. Greedy fools. I've got some lead-based toys for you on ebay.


Gordon
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"approved destination status," by the look of things they have no trouble of getting here now.


Whine Whine
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What a bunch of "score keepers". If that's the worst we've done to the Chinese, then we are treating them just a shade better to say the least than they are treating their own people. I hope Harper told them "I would have been here sooner, but we were bogged down sifting through all your human rights violations."


BuyCanadian
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Do we NEED China?Lets face it, the entire world is headed toward the GREATEST depression since there ever were depressions and this will be solidified once the USD destroys itself. Lets forget China, NAFTA and UN and do things on our own. Canada can sustain itself economically, environmentally and politically.Since the "experts" claimed free trade would benefit the entire world and help the 3rd world we've seen regression. Free trade does nothing but give the 1% of elites in the far East & West more money.Enough said....Mr.Harper...NEVER GO BACK!


Melanie Terrace,BC
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Mr.Harper is right to defend humans rights in China.But he must find a more diplomatic wat to do that.And,he must also understand the difficultiies faced by any government in China.I doubt any of us have evend considered how immense of a problem it is to bring more than a billion people out of poverty. There des need to be taks about human rights in China.But those talks must be done in the context of the entire of all of the challenges faced by the Chinese government. Can you imagine what would happen in China if all of it's citizens turned into the same whining and self righous clowns we are becoming in Canada.If they all wanted free health care,free day care,free education,free transit,,etc.And,all that while paying no taxes. Balance is what is required here.As someone else said,if Canada does not address some human rights,the Chinese will know we are being disingenuous and hypocritical.They may not agree with us on those issues,but they are not so stupid as to think we will ever give up on them.They fully expect us to address human rights.I just think they prefer we do it with the sensitivity of their culture in mind.And not with the same lack of civility and respect that has made politics in Canada so vitriolic and spiteful.That is just not how things are done in China. Mr.Harper should stand firm.He just needs to use quiet diplomacy while doing it.He will get a better result. Even if they disagree,they do respect the courage it takes to stand on principle.


david sawkiw [saskatchewan farmer]
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Kinda cute how some posters compare human rights China vs Canada and the Canadian economy vs Chinese economy.. The socialists actually EXPECT our Prime Minister to have a profound influence on either !! Kinda reminds me of the mouse that roared.......


thumbody who don't believe the thumbs
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The thumbs up/down ratings are suspect with a few of the news articles lately. I believe there are people who delete their cookies in order to vote repeatedly. Perhaps some people with too much time on their hands have rigged their computers to do this easily..


Jim of Bowmanville
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Former Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew, who spent $10 grand of taxpayer's money to have a chauffeur tag along on 2 overseas trips where there was no vehicle driving to be done, chastises Harper and justifies China's bad manners. Using the likes of Pettigrew as a Liberal attack dog is a communications strategy doomed to failure. The PM has struck a proper balance and his response to the Chinese Premier's assertion was measured, yet firm. I am proud that we as a country have taken a human rights stand. China, no doubt, grudgingly respects us for for it.


allan
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It sure looks like the media takes its orders from the Liberals when it comes to cynicism about the p.m. visit to China. There are, and will be more positive things coming out of Hapers visit, and you would serve readers better if you reported fairly, and not completely biased all the time. This is why I stopped buying newspapers long ago, and will never pay for news online if that happens.


Kevin B
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Get Dashan to make it known he didn't like what the Premier had to say, and that he's high-tailing it back to Canada ... they won't want to take away Dashan from the masses!


reece
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Strange, didn't Harper claim that Chinese-Canadian relations were never better? He only said that during the summer! Then again, this is the same guy who claimed we were not in a recession. Those silly cons always trying to put one over on Canadians.BTW, China is essentially run by gangsters who'd be lucky to land a job painting Mickey Mouse figurines if their people weren't so threatened by them. When are the Chinese gonna visit Canada? I think we'll be waiting.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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@ Prof Pye Chartt, spoken like a true libertarian. Live free, die well friend.


Chinese Canadian--Ma
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There is a culture difference inside I believe. If somebody says the same to me, I would understand that: I am welcome here, the second, I have been expected to be here for a long time, the third, they hope these kinds of visting to be happened open later. This is a very positive attitude to deal with the disagreement before and hope to be in good relation in future.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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@ Eddmedhat, at the time he was leader of the Canadian Alliance party, the official opposition. He didn't do anything, it wasn't his place to. When you idolize somebody, you tend to over glorify them. No matter how hard you try, you can't make Harper a father of confederation.


PBW
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Why is it that Canada must be the nation to initiate visits to China by its leaders? Is this a cultural thing, the last remnants of China's empire, with Beijing as the centre of the world? Perhaps China's leaders should reconsider their approach and accept that in Canada we have a democratic system in which governments can be brought down by a simple vote, and does not have to be kept in power by armed troops. Certainly, over the period Mr Harper has been in power, there have been endless threats - and attempts to topple him. With this in mind, I am glad that Mr. Harper also pointed out that it had been as many years since the Chinese premier, who never faces non-confidence motions, visited Canada. Perhaps he would also point out that China's currency is way undervalued for the size of its economy. It is time that nation let its currency float, as do all other industrial nations. Perhaps the we would see a fairer playing field when trading with each other. We can read the daily fluctuations of the world's currencies as their strength is viewed by traders, but not the currency of China. They have had plenty of time to build up their economy with a currency pegged artificially low to help them. It's time they let if float and face the same hurdles as Canada and the rest of the world. The end result would be fairer trade.


PJ
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The headline should read "Canada is now on China's preferred tourist destination list" or "China again will import Canadian pork" > These are matters that bring $$$ to Canada. Who cares if the Chinese leader (not leaderS, btw) "chides" the Prime Minister for not visiting China for 5 years (actually for Mr. Harper only the 3 years he's been in office. The other 2 years of the 5 were under the Liberal gov't).


CMQ in NB
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I find it interesting once again that the media turns the comments into something negative. In understanding the Chinese culture, when it comes to "guests" their etiquette is to be polite and welcoming. What was meant by the comment was more like, "We have waited so long to see a friend from Canada, we are pleased to see you, please do not wait so long to come again." If they were really ticked off then why would they take the ban off Canadian Pork and travel to Canada. When things are put into proper perspective it changes the whole dynamic of the situation. I have found that the opposition leaders and the media are so eager to nail Harper on anything they are just sitting back watching for an opportunity and when it doesn't come then a negative spin is put on what he is doing. Maybe opposition come up with some ideas other than criticism, anyone can do that. Come up with some good ideas to move us ahead or shut up long enough to do some thinking. An old poster comes to mind, "Before you shoot your mouth off make sure your brains are loaded." Iggy, if you want our respect and support, please, please, please stop being an arm chair politician spouting out, "If I were Harper rhetoric," and start telling us what You and the liberal party would do because you believe in something, like say Canada!!!!!!!! and the Canadian people!!!!!


Alex
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Pierre, cut the cr*p. what 14 years of good relationship? It's your former Lib. gv't implemented the $975 landing fee by stopping Chinese immigrants. (harper cut it in half) It's your Lib gov't implemented the Chinese Head Tax.... (Harper apologized to the Chinese people) and it's your lib. gov't sucked up to China for economic gain. Luckily we have a strong PM to stand up on Canada values and building a good relationship between 2 countries..


Kadjere
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HUMAN RIGHTS AND TRADE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ON CHINESE RADAR AND HARPER ADVISORS SHOULD KNOW BETTER AND NEED TO BE MORE CULTURALLY SENSITIVE.Genuine economic partnership is driven by faire play and reciprocity. Chino/Canadian relationship is no exception.China bye and large is not only attractive based on its population size, it also gives many developed countries significant economic breaks. For example look at the US foreign debt and who the key stakeholders are. On our back door, we receive significant quantities of commodities manufactured in China at attractive and relatively cheap costs.So our PM has a duty to recognize and accept China's role as a major player in this global economic village. Human rights differences not withstanding, Canada needs to establish a proactive role in its relationship with China. Ultimately we need a piece of the pie and urgently too. Delving on issues like Human Rights abuse and other non economic issues is not going to fly. The PM also needs to clean its back yard before pointing a finger of accusation at the Chinese. For example, we are still inadequate with regard to how we address the current social welfare of both our Native communities and the homeless. These are also human right issues that the Chinese can use to counter attack any accusations from Canada. And indeed they are correct. Avoiding China simply because of their HR short falls is a lose/lose game. Chinese are very shrewd and in some cases unscrupulous and persistent business enthusiasts. And as such they do not easily take no for an answer. See for example how they have devastated economies of developing countries.What’s the bottom line? Find out what is in it for CANADA and move on.


MARG MM
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Typical hypocritical Liberals, shouting & screaming and wanting an expensive judicial enquiry over the alleged torture of terrorists, but putting trade and money over human rights issues in China. Which is it? Oh, I guess it depends on the day and what you can use to trash PM Harper.Good on the PM to rebutt that China hasn't visited Canada in the past 5 years either.I'd also like to say hello to the 250 Liberals that swoop in on the first 10-15 posts with their thumbs down against anything positive about the Conservatives, then disapear, I guess over to the CBC site, to do the same there. You must love your job!


Dave in Ottawa
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Well they are right, it did take too long for our PM to visit China.The USA will always be our biggest trading partner and that won't change, nor should it. However, diversification is always good practice. We need to do more business with China, our neighbour across the ocean. For those who still have hang-ups on China's past history (human rights and all that baloney) then it is far better to engage a country than to isolate it - especially when engaging that country is beneficial for both countries involved.China is NOT a scary place. China and Canada have always had warm positive relations, now more than ever we shouldn't let that slip away.


Edmonton Jim
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Mr. Harper should have visited China sooner. Look at the reality of this emerging economic power. Having good economic relations with China will assist Canadians in their economic recovery. China is coming out of the recession much faster than the U.S.


Frank in Merritt
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@Joe. "As a native of China, I would rather say the upbraiding from Chinese premier is some kind of warm and friendly, expressing that the hosts are waiting to see the guest.Regretfully, this was translated by those journalists who don't understand Chinese culture as a somewhat harsh words."Joe, exactly how I see it to. I'm astounded at the many goofy emotional posts.


miggs
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lol at the way Harper can't look the Chinese Premier in the eye as they toast one another with a beverage. What a buffoon. Can't look another human being in the eye? I believe that's indicative of someone with no manners and that can't be trusted.


EllizaJane
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Think about it! When was the last time a Chinese Premier visited Canada? Get real folks!


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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A message to Steph. Martin:How in the world can you state that Canada has a human right's record comparable to China based on an obvious misunderstanding of the Afghan detainee issue? This whole Afghan detainee issue is old new's that only those with a vested self interest wish to keep dragging up.Most Canadian's with half a brain and less memory loss than some know and understand the chaotic and horrific time's our troop's went through as they entered the combat theatre in 2006 in Khandahar as they were ill prepared and ill equiped.They did the best they could and as they progressed they saw there were failing's in the transfer's of detainee's and made sure that procedure's were put in place to rectify them.To this day there are Canadian citizen's locked up in Chinese prison's only because of there affiliation with the Falon Gong ,a religious group.They build 150 coal fired generating plant's per year with little or no safeguard's,they force moved million's of people for the construction of the three brother's dam leaving them to fend for themselve's and their labour practice's are a disgrace.They are taking our livelihood's and are buying up our resource's,i.e. oil at an increasing rate.I watched the new's this morning and there was Pierre Pettigrew,an ex Chretien hack going on about all the benefit's Canada could get from increased trade with China and he mentioned Bombardier another company created from billion's of dollar's of past government assistance. This is a relationship that Canada need's to go into with both eye's open as China has global aspiration's and we need to ensure our best interest's are upheld.


Nick in Gatineau
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China and India are about to surpass USA dominence from an economical standpoint. Harper has bent over backwards to follow Washington's drum. Guess what's about to happen to the drum? So Instead of opening new Markets for Canadians, Harper sat on his butt watching every other country do what he should have done on his first day. It seems that only Conservatives think Harper has acted correctly. The rest of us have been saying the same thing the Chinese officials have been saying: too little too late. Instead of Billion $ deals, we get $ 50 Million dollar deals. Way to go Harper.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
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In reading many of the comments posted on this issue, I have to conclude that there are a large number of individuals who feel trade with China is far more important than the human rights we take for granted in western countries but which are virtually non-existent in China. As one who well remembers WWII and the Cold War all too well, I have no time for totalitarian regimes which is exactly what has ruled China since 1949. My personal preference would be not to do business with them under any circumstance given their human rights policies but that will not happen..However, let us suppose that the Chinese, as a condition of trade, insisted that Canadians suspend their democratic beliefs and principles along with our Charter of Rights. What would the reaction be? Would we accept that and carry on trade given the "benefits"? I suggest that this supposition is merely the opposite side of the very same coin.


Vincent of Edmonton
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It's really unfortunate that media see this as a 'dressing down'. We in the west get very little exposure to China and Asia in general from the press (with the exception of some French programming). This too is unfortunate. I encourage you to dig up whatever news articles you on Premier Wen. You will find he is a personable leader, a people's leader, very human. Instead of being offended, our PM should extended an invitation to Premier Wen to come visit Canada, as should the leaders of our Provinces. If we disengage, we have enemies. If we engage, perhaps we can be friends and as friends we can persuade.


jay, ottawa
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He should have responded with "yeah yeah well I'm here now. . "


KCarmichael
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Canadians need to check out Chinese English media to get the story from the Chinese perspective! The were actually complimentary and added more more content about what was actually discussed!! I go on the record for being proud of our Canadian Primeminister and his presence abroad. I am proud that he has the strength to care about the human rights of the Chinese people over how much trade we do! I am glad our government doesn't just talk about human rights because it is politically correct.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Rick in NB, Ste Marie: Just making an observation, my friend. No need to panic. You know full-well that my personal opinions aren't based upon any form of "popularity." I'm on record as being critical of the Conservatives from time to time (ie. yesterday) and, regardless of the day, I always have a target on my back. Living by the sword...


Linda in Vancouver
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Are Liberals and NDPers now saying Canada should ignore human rights issues in China so we can make more money? With the USA now so indebted to China,and every nation on the planet wanting to do business with China,I wonder who,if not Canda,will raise human rights issues with China.High and almighty Liberals who tout Harper as an evil "neo-con",now seem to think he should close his eyes to things like capital punishment,and the imprisonment of civil rights activists and politcal dissidents in China because we now need to make money,And China is the place to do that. Trust me,my friends.The Chinese will see right through those kinds of lies and deceit.I do think Mr.Harper needs to be a little more diplomatic with his approach to China.But he must not abandon his beliefs.If he can find a way to do that,he has a modest chance to make some progress on human rights.AND,by being honest he has a chance to earn some respect for Canada.All respect would be lost by leaders willing to say nothing.They certainly are smart enough to know that not speaking to the issue is simply patronizing them,for the sake of the almighty dollar.In the long term,that would be more damaging than any honest disagreement and an honest dialogue. Doesn't anyone out there ever actually respect someone else whose view is in direct opposition to their own?? Really?? How sad for you if you can't. On the surface,that seems to contradict the notion that Canada stands for diversity and tolerance. We now seem more arrogant and self rightous than our American cousins.Maybe,just maybe it's not PM Harper who is the real "neo-con" here.


Rob
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I am tired of China's arrogance. They get our resources which they want badly and what is that we get? cheap #ss imports , now who needs who more? have to play hard ball with China. BTW another thing , if you think that China is in favour of doing something about the climate, I have a nice piece of ocean front property in Austria.


eddmedhat
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Harper did just the right thing 5 years ago and let the Chinese know Canadians do not appreciate their human right issues. Now the Chinese have noticed we do have an impact on them. (They want our resources etc). I like the fact that Harper stood up to the Chinese today. It is true that we do need to trade with these people, but we don't have to cowtow to them because they think they are in control.


allan
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>No wonder we got along with China in the 60;s and 70's, we also had a P.M., Trudeau, who embraced the same philosophy, communism, as China


Concerned in Mississauga
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Wow, so the chinese are wagging their finger at our PM and rebuking him in public. I for one am proud that Harper has stuck to his guns regarding human rights in China and the dismal conditions under which most chinese live. Seems like a lot of people think that China will only be growing bigger and stronger and eventually dominate the world economy. I beg to differ. They have one huge problem on their hands of their own doing - a shrinking population due to the one child per family policy. Chances are that they'll grow old before they get rich.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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@ Prof Pye Chartt. The one thing i thought i would never see, was you using the thumbs up/down to backup your comment. Could it be that the new reformed conservatives have bought another poster?


Brent from BC
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I think Harper has done evrything right in the China-Canadian relations. Most of these comments are in favour of Harper. A few blinded people actually believe the liberals were behind this visit...too bad there lights are out. Remember Liberal lovers it was the Lib's and the coalition that put us further in debt....or do you forget already. "Good going Harper" China needs our resourses, do not kiss butt, stand tall and firm like most "Non-Liberal Canadians"!


Fred Victoria BC
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We have the greatest number of Chinese livingoutside China and most of them living in Vancouver..Our second language might as well be Chinese.Our Province provides many services in Chinese. And eventually we might all be speaking it.The reality of our co-existence does not change By this Harper visit.The Chinese people have contributed a great deal to our Country, they are a very industrious .and prolific people, that might very wellChange the nature and political balanceof Canada.


Doug @ BC
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Strangely,the relationship Canada now has with China kind of reminds me of a casual friendship between two people with opposing religous or ideological views.They kind of like each other.They can get along quite nicely most of the time.BUT,there are some things they just can't discuss honestly without offending each other. It's a fine line folks.Anyone who believes China needs to do more in the areal of human rights feels a need to speak up.To do otherwise is to betray those beliefs,and ensure that China never even takes the matter into condisderation.As it is said,"bad things happen when good people do nothing". I agree with those who suggest that Harper may be a little to blunt,and a little to public with his criticisms on human rights.The Chinese are all about image.They are extremely sensitve about their image.If you want to make real progress on human rights,you must do it much more privately,with diplomats,and in a way that doesn't embarrass them.But,think about that in comparison to how politics is done here.It's a real blood bath,and insults and mud slinging are routine.The problem for Mr.Harper is this.If he goes public with his criticism,he offends the Chinese.If he does not,the opposition and the human rights activists here accuse him of not speaking up on the issue. It is extremely difficult to criticze people who are very sensitive without offending them.But sensitive issue must be raised.If Canadians want to hold themselves up as models in the area of human rights,they MUST be prepared to take some heat from those with different views.I am,more and more.seeing Canadians as arrogant and self rightous.Thinking so highly of themselves,but being willing to back down very quickly when the going gets tough.THAT IS NOT LEADING.


Ron
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Minority backed PM's don't stray much from home very often. As this is a good time for the opposition to play games.If you recall, Ignatieff was scheduled to visit China when he had to cancel--due to his own mischief in trying to engineer non-confidence in the House.So, exactly when has PM Harper had a lot of time to visit China?It's now, that he's emboldened by the Polls and the fragmented opposition, that he's had a chance to take a long road trip. He's systematically going through a lot of visits in a short period of time.This is not a coincidence, it's good management.


Steve in PEI
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Wow, the Chinese are actually out-shilling the Conservatives on the comments to this story! Impressive! We have no choice but to get along with the Chinese. And the power realities have changed - we are no longer in any position to scold them like an impoverished African nation. Harper and he Conservatives with their insular naivete, ideological blinkers and contempt for foreign policy have done unacceptable damage to our relationship with China. Nice that they're finally waking up, although I think it's just a little late.


PM
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This is the best thing ever!When we sucked up and ignored human rights issues, China ignored us. Now that we're playing hard-to-get, they're taking us seriously.Well played.


SK Doctor
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Personally, I avoid Chinese goods like the plague...they are sub-standard and only cheaper because of non-existent environmental and social laws in China...I say buy Canadian and support Canadian jobs...


Wood @North York
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mark in the East: Insult? I don't think so. Look back what Harper did to China, you will find the answer. Putting you into Chinese government's shoes, if they criticized us there are thousand Canadian spies in China, if they honored a Quebecois separatist with Chinese citizenship, or if they threatened they boycott Vancouver 2010 Olympic game, what would be Harper's reaction? And what would be yours? Comparing Obama's recent visit, Harper's is too late.


Iggynoramus
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I agree with the PREMIER of CHINA, Harper waited too long to visit. He should not have stayed in Canada when he should be visiting the most important market in the world.Canada can do better, Harper's time is UP!


Paul AB
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@3/4 of Cons: you must have your facts backwards again, Remember its the Libs that pay their friends! How soon we forget the scandals that haunt the halls of Parliament. Secondly, President Hu Jintao was in Canada last in Sept. 2005 meanwhile Premier Wen Jiabao's last visit was in 2003. At that time the Liberals were the leading power and guess what the topic was that they brought to the table? The persecution of the practitioners of Falun Gong in China. Of course the Liberals didnt think of this on their own, it was NDP MP Svend Robinson who formed a request to then Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham to remind him to bring this up. So does a Liberal agree or disagree with human rights violations? Guess it depends on where the votes are that week as certainly its not founded in the integrity of the party.


Jim in Ontario
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I hope the PM takes some pictures of his visit so that he can show Iggy what China is like.


Mark
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So comments seem to not pick up on the obvious slant that it is okay for China not to visit Canada but not the other way around.What if the shoe was on the other foot, what if we were the country experiencing the human rights violations by China and then the US had not visited China 5 years. In fact the US was the only country to take this diplomatic stand, would those critical of Harper in the comments hear not think human rights should matter more than trade?


Brian fr Langley
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What I find fascinating is how many comments are made by people who seem completely ready to trade off other peoples human rights (the Chinese) for money. (trade) Yet these are the very same people who consider corporations doing the same to be the epitomy of evil. As well as the same people who are screaming their heads off about the fate of Afghan detainee's. While principled ideologies (whether left or right leaning) can be productive to a good and just society, this kind of blatant partisan hypocrisy is not. One more word on China. While trade will benefit us all in the long run and is always a worthwhile pursuit. Keeping silent to enrich ourselves (trading on cheap Chinese labour) in the short term is just plain Un Canadian.


Crazy Jim
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Oh I just read "Payed Conservative posters" wow that's good, I hurt myself laughing. So where do I get my cheque? I'm not going to comment on this article; some of this sickening ignorance here makes me not beleive in democracy. The only paid player here is Robert Fife with his twisted hatred of Harper. He should see a therapist.


GTA
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I go out of my way to avoid purchasing anything made it China.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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According to the thumbs-up/down "scoring" (the reliability of which is questionable), it would appear that plenty of Liberal monkeys are throwing bananas at PM Harper for not kissing the hindquarters of the Chinese government. Evidently, their compass of principle is malfunctioning (again). Any supporter of "liberalism" who can look past China's pitiful human rights record for commercial trade considerations is a political hypocrite. We all know that if our Prime Minister was focusing all his attention on China, Liberal supporters would be crying and whining about his "lack of caring and compassion" for the plight of the Chinese people. Click the thumbs-down button, my little monkeys, click away.


CraigW
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When I don't visit friends or relatives for a while, I am told it's been too long as well. It maybe a jab, but it's also a subtle way of saying they miss me.On the other hand, it has been too long. China is probably the most powerful country in the world from an economic standpoint, or will be in the near future. A good relationship with China is a very beneficial thing for Canada.


Lorne
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Not a Harper supporter - but then again, which party in Parliament can you support?I will agree with Harper on his position with regard to human rights - Communist China ( and it still is a communist country ) will suppress it's people if they dare protest against government policy - we've seen it on numerous occassions.I don't think we owe China anything - all that has happened is that jobs have been outsourced to that country, resulting in a loss of jobs at home.Mr. Harper should continue with his position in dealings with that country.


Frank Buchan
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Heavens forbid we offend the almighty Chinese government.


Fred
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Boy if the Chinese leaders can't take some human rights complaints, they shouldn't be in the political business. It makes China look weak that it has to strike back against a very small country - so the stand Harper took was effective: they felt they needed to reply!!!So Harper has done more to promote human rights than Obama, who bowed lowly to the Chinese PM - AKA America's creditor. Good for him, what a good way to represent Canada!Chinese leaders should stick to Communism, they wouldn't survive in a Democracy...


BCDarr
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Why is everyone surprised by Canada's new international reputation? When you elect a clown you should expect a little Seltzer in your face.


Ken - Ont
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Wow. Looking at the thumbs up and thumbs down it would appear that the Chinese government has hired 50 people to monitor this comment board. Hey too bad you can't control the media in Canada the way you do in China. Go ahead, give me the old thumbs down! In response I will raise my centre finger and give a Trudeau solute.


raj
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China, get over yourselves.You need our oil, so go careful what you say.On the other hand, these news papers are run by governments and told what to say.Harper stay the course, this is only China, we already have one super power not doing well, do we need another


JB in Ontario
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Nice to see the "thawing" of our relationship with China. They are an important trading partner with Canada. Also nice to see that China lifted the ban on Canadian pork.


Paul
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Trade is all good and that, but why are the same people who are screaming about Afghan detainees and torture not saying boo about China's human rights record? THe moral here is as long as I get cheap produces from China I couldn't care less about how they are produced. Slave labour is O.K as long as it benefits me. SSHHHH....nothing to hide, move along.


N.D. Peer
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The GREAT news from the article is that China is dropping the ban of canadian pork !!!!! Big Sky Farms will now flourish !!!The state(saskatchewan) owned pork producer has filed for creditor protection a few weeks back,,but now the employees can breathe a sigh of relief now that their jobs are safe thhanks to the chinese..China really DOES care about people


Patricia
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Stephen Harper is always inappropriate. Why would he talk about the Canadian economy and pat himself on the back when he is on a trip to China? Can't this controling man get a grip on himself? If I was Mr. Flaherty I would take great insult to be upstaged by the PM. Harper did not let him to do his job! I would also be insulted if I was Chinese as well...not only does he get to China late in the game but he rambles on about the Canadian economy. He is not a good representative for Canada as he has no diplomatic skills. Sometimes I think there is only sawdust between his ears!


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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I have to agree with K G ' s comment,, and add the socialists are working overtime with the thumbs down icon.These are the same people who scream the sky is falling, global warming... I would like to remind these hypocrites that China would buy the 'dirty' tarsands of Alberta in a heartbeat, and they would really slow down development,,,,, yeah right


Tailor Toronto
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Bob Rae and Ignatieff look like they buy the suits they wear at walmart so they could of gone and bought even cheaper suits in China instead of Bob wearing the same suit in every picture of him.


Former Liberal now Independent
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Paul Martins first trip was to see Mommar khadfi in Libya what an embarassment. Maybe Iggy could go to China on his vacation and give the chinese a signed copy of his Lesser Evil Book. As much as hard core Liberals that are left they simply take every opportunity to bash conservatives. I just wish Liberals had some class.


Roger T
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Lets face it.....Harper is a no body. There is no mention even on other major news website. That really says it all about Harper. Owl City would make bigger headlines playing a concert in China than Harper.


Adam Lambert
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Harper is so extreme gay rights will not even be on the discussion paper. Liberals could at least be counted on to raise gay rights if nothing else.


Joe
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As a native of China, I would rather say the upbraiding from Chinese premier is some kind of warm and friendly, expressing that the hosts are waiting to see the guest.Regretfully, this was translated by those journalists who don't understand Chinese culture as a somewhat harsh words.


Ian Ottawa
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Boy-o-boy you Liberal paid weinies sure are busy lately. Iggy is an American who wants power and nothing more. He is worse than all your other bad Leaders since Pierre True-Doe-Doe.


George Chan Vancouver
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Mr Harper does very well for Canada. I came from Hong Kong 10 years ago, and we like Mr. Harper. Everyone's scared of the government in China. Harper makes it safer for people, so this is good. They going to be buying oil from somebody, no matter..


Maureen
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Since when does China tell a Canadian government what to do? Harper is in a minority government with an opposition who would gladly try to assume power (it was only a year ago that the Coalition attempted just that!), we are involved in a war, we have just dealt with a major economic crisis - I think the Canadian government has been involved in a few more important activities that visiting China. Besides, Harper sees these guys are every international meeting - so what is the big deal!!Just because the previous Liberal government were over there every other week to schmooze with the Chinese dictators doesn't mean that the current government has to.


Adam, Montreal
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A little jab? It was completely Justified to make by the Chinese. I'm ashamed my government took 5 years.


Roxy from Victoria, BC
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Ontario this is where all your jobs went because of your provincial liberal government but Harper will not be giving you jobs away as they keep their dollar the yuan artificially low and don't allow imports while dumping tainted dog food here, Harper will be firm but fair and that is not what we need Ignatieff could go and give our jobs away and ignore human rights for a photo op but its about Canada.


Andrea in Ottawa
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Well, now you all should be asking this question. Why did it take our Prime Minister 4 years to meet with China?They are saying we took too long.


JP in NS in BC
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What insult-They are telling Harper that he is not much of a leader-Harper thinks he can play with the Big Boys. but the BIG BOYS are in a different league-Harper has to realize that he has made many many mistake at the expensive of Canada and our position in the world-Before HArper we were well respect around the world- under Harper we have become a joke."Mark in teh EAST" - Harper made his mess- The Chinese government tell it as it is- and Harper made his won mess- One does not go to another country and tell people how to act or behaveHarper is not a World Leader but a small man amongst Gaints


Bill in BC
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This visit is about trade not being "best buds". Who really cares what the Chinese leadership think or feel....They certainly don't give a fiddlers damn what anyone else thinks or feels.


Adele Hay
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Paul Martin's company got his ships built in china cheap while we gave them money. I am happy we have a PM that is there in Canada's interest not his own.


Wade Ens
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China keeps buying up out oil resources and they were none too friendly with their neighbours lately. I am more worried about China than being their best friend.


Steph Martin
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They have a point as China is our second largest trading partner Harper should have been more diplomatic in the past 5 years. Harper adopted the G.W. Bush politics of isolating our country and hurting our economy but even Bush went to the Beijing Olympics. As for human rights I guess he lost that argument as Canada is now in the same boat as China with the torturing of Afghan citizens. Only 40% of Canadians approve of Harper and this will hurt him even more as we need China to recover from the recession.


Martin of NS
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China is predicted to have the largest economy in the world by 2050 (maybe even earlier). It would be a huge mistake not to build economic relations with China. Human rights is an issue in China, and it's important for the Leaders of Canada to continue to push for improvement, but we also need to wake up and realize we'll be left behind if we don't try catch up with the Chinese.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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China spends a large amount of its time admiring itself in the global mirror. It credits itself with some extraordinary industrial talent when, in fact, its economic rank is entirely based upon a longstanding ability to keep its dominating, rights-stripping communist thumb firmly pressed upon the heads of all its people, so it can suck cheap labor services out of them. With its ill-gotten profit, it buys U.S. debt, and then commends itself for being so clever and successful. PM Harper simply got jabbed by an arrogant Chinese leadership that expects some sort of fawning and blind-eyed worship. Good for him. China's day will come. To remain "successful," it will have to maintain its model of domination and suppression; otherwise, increased rights and freedoms will bring higher cost structures, less societal compliance, a markedly reduced competitive edge, and less global importance.


Peter
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Wow, the Chinese government is really concerned about Canada. Front page stories, an official reproval and veiled threats. They must be worried about the Chinese Canadian population. It’s hard for Beijing to control the thinking of 1.3 million people in Canada. Could it be that the seemingly invincible communist dictatorship is actually a house of cards, despite the cheerleading from the media and business interests? My sense is that PM Harper was right in his approach from the start.


Citizen
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Frankly speaking if the Chinese like you I question your human rights record....Harper is one of the only World leaders not sucking up to the Chinese these days, and that is because we are one of the few Countries China has no choice but to deal with. Our natural resources make us to valuable a trading ally to alienate.


K.G.
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hmmm...seems like the chinese apologists-propagandists have already swamped the message board with 'dislikes'...just as they always do. They don't hide it well; at this point there seems to be exactly 52 dislikes on all posts criticizing China's government. Awfully coincidental...


Mapleleaf
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Harper finally realized Canada has to move on ,otherwise we'll be dumped by the middle kingdom


3/4 of Con-posters like Harper
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@daveyboy,I think you meant 3/4 of the paid Conservative posters like Harper, and the other 1/4 don't but still post since they're paid to do so!


Peter 1951
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It is never to late to make a visit. Prime minister Harper has strong beliefs in human rights, and I for one am proud he has stuck to his morals. Yes we need the Chinese, but Prime Minister Harper doesn't need to bend over and kiss their butts, we will leave that to the Liberals.


Peter in Bridgewater NS
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Steve your doing a good job, you and your team are obviously human and screw up on occasion but overall I think you do well for Canada, You acknowledged the Dalai Lama and pushed for human rights record improvements and when the time is right you engage China as an equal, not with hat in hand begging to cash in on the economic juggernauts activity. Good job and keep it up.


Samual
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It's a good thing Ignatieff told harper he needed to go to China to try to improve trade relations. Seems harper doesn't do anything unless he's told to, a follower not a leader.


Daveyboy
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3/4's of us love him. 1/4 of us don't like him. As undercover brother put it."it ain't no thang"


nick
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Harper's rebuttal was fair and just.


sarah
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What an insult...at least Harper did not let it slip by without a response. Well done.


mark in the East
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What an Insult! The Chinese should be embarrassed by their leadership, however we all know what an iron grip the communists have on the Chinese. Wen Jiabao should realize that there is a massive trade imbalance between our two countries and that the Chinese *need* our trade and resources more than we need theirs. Harper should pack up and leave if this is the way he as our representative and PM is being treated.

The Canadian People should be insulted and furious at this broach of diplomatic relations, and the Chinese government should be punished as a result.


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