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Date: Wed. Aug. 12 2009 3:43 PM ET
OTTAWA Canada will significantly weaken NATO's war against the Taliban when its troops leave Afghanistan in 2011, an influential American counter-insurgency expert has said.
Anthony Cordesman, who has advised NATO's current ground commander, U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, said losing the experience and credibility of Canadian troops around the Kandahar region will undermine military efforts in a crucial battleground.
"It isn't simply a matter of troop levels," Cordesman said in an interview with The Canadian Press. "It's a matter of experience continuity; having shaped the security presence in one of the most critical provinces in the country."
"Would a Canadian departure seriously hurt NATO? The answer at least this point seems to be: Yes."
Cordesman said reluctant NATO countries need encouragement to "eliminate as many national caveats and restrictions on troops as possible" and that the U.S. government should dispatch additional troops to stem increasing violence in the war-torn country.
McChrystal sought out Cordesman's advice as part of a 60-day review of the military strategy NATO forces have adopted in Afghanistan. He is expected to appear before Congress in September.
While the U.S. has more than enough trained troops to replace Canada's 2,850, Cordesman said, diplomatic efforts towards Ottawa are intensifying because of the difficulty of replacing Canadian expertise.
"The experience Canada has gained and the effectiveness of its civil-military operations have been particularly critical," said Cordesman, an expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. He added that the NATO forces who replace Canadian soldiers in Kandahar "are not going to have the capabilities that Canada has developed over years of having been in the province."
"The fact is, just because you do not have the largest contingent in Afghanistan doesn't make the country's role unimportant."
Last week, NATO's new secretary-general pleaded with Canadian officials to agree to remain longer in the Central Asian country. Members of the Obama administration have also been hinting they would like Canadian troops to maintain their presence well in to the next decade.
But the Conservative government has shown few indications that it intends to extend the date for withdrawing Canadian combat troops beyond July 2011. Ottawa quickly replied to the secretary general's recent request by reaffirming the decision to pull out as scheduled.
On Tuesday, Defence Minister Peter MacKay said NATO's leadership can ask many other countries to contribute to the mission before additional participation is requested from Canada.
Michel Drapeau, an Ottawa lawyer and retired colonel, told CTV News Channel that Cordesman's comments will encourage defence lobbyists in Canada to step up pressure on Ottawa to extend its Afghan presence.
"This will only add fuel to the fire," he said. "The fact of the matter is, our troops have given an extraordinary commitment and sacrifices over the past. By the time we return it will be almost 10 years we will have been in Afghanistan."
"There's nothing in our constitution that says we have to be there forever," he said. Canadian troops "are tired, their families are exhausted, the equipment requires to be replaced."
"We have done our share."
With files from The Canadian Press
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David
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GTK
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Had they stuck to Afghanistan and not gone looting and pillaging in Iraq, this might have been over by now.
Al-BC
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Peter in Edmonton
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Yeah but, they don't. Not in Afghanistan and no longer in Pakistan. If you've been keeping up to date with the way things have been going in that region you'd know that the Taliban recently went from hero to Zero in Pakistan just like they did a while back in Afghanistan.
stephanie
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the government is useless
Citizen
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Canada has been pulling more than its weight in Afghanistan so of course our leaving will hurt the mission. Time for Europe to do their share. We helped them in the Cold War and both world wars. Its their turn to help us.
Travis
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Mike vdB - Chatham, ON
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Please Mr. Harper, do not give in to the pressure and bring our combat mission to an end. We can still provide expertise and support, but not in a combat role.
Kiruna
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George Poole
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Dollar Bill
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Tono
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I'll answer my own question: BECAUSE WE ARE STILL PART OF NATO.
Ron (first comment) nails it: NATO is finished like the Cold War.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Firstly, before sauntering off on the usual left-wing diatribe whilst pretending to be "independently minded" when, in fact, you're trigger finger always itches for a shot at your ideological opposite, try actually reading someone's post before quoting any aspect of it. (I didn't assert that the mission itself was "pretty simple.")
Lastly, as it is evident that you really don't stand for anything (you refuse to acknowledge any benefit generated by Canada's military presence in Afghanistan), then stand aside and leave this particular debate to principled others. Thanks. Our military men and women, who regularly and continually state that we're making a real, tangible difference over there, have all the credibility...and you have none.
P.S. Send Chretien/Martin an angry letter next time. Your Liberal pals landed us in Afghanistan (outrageously poorly equipped, to boot).
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@ Rick
Because you're ill-informed about what's actually happening in Afghanistan (outside of I.E.D.s going off), your analogy about fish/fishing is rather foolish. Furthermore, you're inability to manage your political and ideological compulsion to insert the name "Bush" into virtually every post renders your argument rather hollow and painfully biased.
While I respect and understand those harboring an opinion different than my rational view, any legitimate debate is worthless when someone opposes something "just because."
P.S. As a self-admitted card-carrying Liberal, send Chretien/Martin an angry letter. Your political heroes landed us in Afghanistan (outrageously poorly equipped, to boot).
Stan Baumgertner
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It's kind of nice that the German leaders are actually forced by law to follow the will of the elected representatives of the people. I thought Canadians might actually like the concept. I listen to German radio and the German government would fall in a nano-second if it adoped a combat role.
There is an irony when folks want German leaders to violate the laws of its democracy to help impose democracy in Afghanistan.
Rob NS
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If NATO wishes to remain a strong force, it has to come up with some rules that forces member countries to do their share. Romania is another not so well known country that has had combat troops in Kandahar, doing QRF duties.
P. Dieter RCHA (ret.)
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hint: The old USSR is gone. Nato unfortunately, is a bloated bureaucracy looking for a reason to justify its existence. It's been an impediment to strengthening USA-Russia-China military co-operation that would be the real source of promoting a stable and secure world peasce. The USA is not going to get meaningful co-operation from Russia on Iran or from China on North Korea as long as there is the antiquarian mind set of us, 'The West' against them.
Golf Company Grunt
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First off, you don't sound like any vet I know.
We have had over 100 Canadian service personnel killed while on peacekeeping duty. Are their deaths more pallitable because they were wearing the blue beret?
'Pro Patria'
meerkat
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N - nonsensical
A - antiquated
T - tired
O - old
this alliance needs to be revamped.
Jason from Calgary
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I mean, I'm all for us sticking around and fighting to create and preserve peace. But don't give us the whole "Oh, NATO will fall apart without Canada." Plenty of other nations in NATO who could shore up some troops and give us a rest for a while.
Oh Sure
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They've got an expert telling us what the conservatives what us to hear so it can give them cause to keep Canada in the fight.
Politics is so sleazy!
Isabella
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Canada has made a commitment to NATO and the people of Afghanistan. We must see this through.
Pro Patria
dulak
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ummm...the Conservative government was forced to set a withdraw date of combat troops as a result of political pressure from the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc.
Matthew
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Mark
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It is long past due that Canada receive the commendations our troops deserve. It is also about time that Stephen Harper receive the commendations HE deserves for sticking it out and ensuring that our troops get what they need. Let us not forget General Hillier as well.
It is time that Canada passed the batton to oh....Germany, Italy, Spain, Denmark for example and our expertise can be put to use advising those to follow on 'lessons learned'.
Our forces and equipment need a rest and recovery. Come home safely lads and lasses from a job well done.
...and the mushy middle and 'left', you're welcome for your freedom. Just remember that your freedom to criticize was paid for by somebody else's blood.
Mark
Raymond
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Just as I predicted.
The lefties who, not one year ago, were demanding that the Conservatives pull out of Afghanistan immediately.
Now that a firm date has been determined for a discontinuation of combat operations, those same people are accusing the tories of 'cutting and running', and calling them cowards.
There's no pleasing some people.
Linda in Vancouver
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While the loss of lives in Afghanistan as created far to many sad days around here,while we are very much in the dark about the real conditions in Afghanistan,and while domestic politics is really driving the debate in Canada,and while I truley believe Canada has given more than it's share of our finest citizens,I also believe this is a good and just cause.
I think we have to leave.Not because the mission has been accomplished,and not because I have changed my mind about the value of the mission.But because we have to few troops to carry on much longer.The bravery and skill of these people cannot make up for the fact that to many of them are doing to many rotations in a very dangerous combat zone.No one can live like that in perpetuity.
For thoe who want to blame Harper,I guess if it makes you feel good,go for it.But if you are a Liberal,or an NDPer,at least you could look in the mirror and accept the role youR parties played in downsizing our military over the last 40 years or so.For not getting them the equipment and the support they need for a mission like this,or for protecting our sovereignty.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
Chuck P
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said "harper" should have rejected "Bush's" request for troops in the :first place"
Shawn I don't know your political affiliation but I must point out the Liberal's were in power when we were sent to Afghanistan. We went with rusted out Iltis jeeps & worn out equipment and then the Liberal government ordered us out of Kabul in the relatively stable North to the fighting in the Kandahar region, with yes the same worn out, rusted equipment. It took many months or even years to get replacement anything, remember the uniform scandal? Please check the open source news articles and yes it was still the Liberal's in power. I am not an apolgist for the Conservatives but I do want posts to reflect honesty not barely concealed political agenda.
Shawn, Ottawa
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Grunt
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From my perspective the mission is worth while and honorable. However it really irks me and my comrades that there are only a small handfull of nations (British, American, Canadian, Dutch) doing the fighting. I had one tour up North in Kabul and lets face it... its safe there, a relative shelter. Get in the weeds and the dirt with the rest of us and fight. If we had the full participation of all NATO members without caveats, we would be much more willing to stay. The mission would most likely have progressed positively along much more than it has, had we the full support of other NATO members.
This is why I dont feel bad about leaving in 2011... This may be what it takes to finally get participation from our Allies.
GB, Poco, BC
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But I think Canada and all other countries so far has failed win the war because their main aim was to defeat Taliban militarily. In my opinion this is only one strategy. Providing people way of life, generate income on their own, provide good education facilities, more freedom for women would have won the heart of the population. Until we win this side of the war no one will be ever able to win the war against Taliban. We should know this very well. Russians tried this for 10 years and they failed. Canada and other countries did work on this other side of this development. But I think it was too late and too little. We should spend the same or more of our resources in this front to win this war.
Our valiant forces sacrificed more than 100 soldiers for a just war and we should never let it go without a cause. After 2011 I think we should definitely play a role there as peace keepers and non military development work
As always we should fight the extremist and get the moderate to the main stream and to our side. Hope the West do the same with other moderate Muslim countries like Egypt, Turkey, Bosnia and Indonesia. If we all allow the extremist to bloom in the largest Muslim country Indonesia we are doomed my friend that will be our next world war
Jim in Ottawa
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However, I thnk what is really hurting NATO is not Canada's notice of withdrawl in 2011, but rather the unwillingness of other NATO members to step things up and offer some relief. Where are the Germans? The Italians? The Spanish? We've given plenty of notice our our intentions to NATO; why are these NATO members not pulling their weight? Why must Canada be expected to do all of the heavy lifting?
Part of having a NATO alliance is that we members are supposed to protect our mutual interests, but some members such as those mentioned above are not contributing their fair share. This in my opinion is the greatest harm to NATO's efforts in Afghanistan. ALL NATO members need to start taking Afghanistan more seriously.
MAL of TO
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I though we went to Afghanistan to chase down Al-Queda and Cave-Boy, time to stop saving the world especially when it doesn't want saving.
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As the proud wife of a Canadian soldier who has served 3 tours of duty in Afghanistan, I can tell you that the vast majority of the men and women soldiers there are painfully aware of the reasons for fighting and do so for no reason other than a sense of duty and belief in the cause.
Recruitment in the forces has surged as a result of the Afghan war, and many soldiers have joined out of a desire to serve there. Soldiers know the risks, they leave families, wives, children, to serve their country in conditions and hardships most of us canot imagine. They have seen first hand the people they are fighting to help, and the evil they are trying to destroy. These are remarkable men and women who I consider is a privledge to know.
Every soldier is someone's child, but regardless of your personal political ideology, please don't treat them as children. They are intellegent adults making a tremedous sacrifice, and deserve more respect than that.
MRC in Ontario
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PBW
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Please check your facts. The decision to pull out was by a majority vote of parliament, NOT a "neo-con" decision. As for cutting and running, isn't that the position of left-wing Liberals and NDP'ers?
The new equipment is just replacing time expired equipment that the Liberals sent our troops into battle with. You have probably forgotten that our troops originally went to Afghanistan - a desert country - wearing forest-pattern BDU's, all because the Liberals didn't think. They went with small jeeps that didn't protect against heavy rain, let alone IED's.
But then, you are probably a Liberal or Dipper, and facts are irrelevant to your stance.
Daniel
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Bring our guys home.
CMT
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Its time to leave.
For those of you who believe that we must remain as a presence there..I ask do any of you have a loved one there?
Dan in Quebec
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Mean while, we have Russian subs roaming around our coastal lines and testing our response in the north, seems to me that we have other military issues to deal with here at home.
Willow B
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Soldier from Edmonton
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Rick
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I could have sworn that Bush stated the war was won a few years ago! Canada doesn't need another Cypres or Bosnia where we slowly but surely evolve into a mainstay of the economy! Equally disturbing is that some troops are now returning to Afghanistan for their 3rd and 4th tour!
We have to start to establish a withdrawal plan leaving advisors, mentors and instructors. (Corrections Canada, RCMP and CIDA) People overlook that Afghanistan has the same population as Canada, maybe it's time to teach the fisherman "how to fish" rather then giving Afghanistan "fish". It's time to stand up and step up to the plate Afghanistan.
Doug in BC
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Yes.We have been let down by many NATO nations.That MUST be addressed.No,we were not successful in getting ALL NATO nations to step up to the plate in Afghanistan.And yes,our people have done far more than their fair share.
It's time to stop the partisan bickering.BOTH major parties MUST find ways to move forward on this.The finger pointing is beyond assinine.The Liberals know they can beat Harper in an election if he he decied our troops should stay.That is exactly what they hoped for the last time.And,they refuse to share the blame for how this is unfolding.Liberals sent the troops there,and Liberals downsized our forces to the point that staying is almost an impossibility.We cannot keep sending the same people on tour,afer tour,after tour.And still,Canada needs to stand with it's allies.There will come a day when our children,or our grandchildren may need our allies to stand by them.
We MUST resolve this WITHOUT political partisanship.But there is no good option on the table right now.Both choices paint Canada in a bad light.
Me,I blame all those who,for decades,neglected our military and dismissed our need for security,and our responsibility to assist NATO and the UN.
D edwards
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There are too many countries that are simply in the way and not pulling their weight. However a end to a combat role does not mean our withdrawel, there are many assets which could remain such as the PRT which would require a security presence.
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kevin in vancouver
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Remarkable mentions that their are European soldiers who could serve well and want to serve in the combat role but are prevented doing this by their governments this is very true. Let us not forget however that many european nations like Germany and France have huge Muslim populations and face a serious terrorist threat if they were to engage in combat in Afghanistan, they already have problems with that segment of their populations.
There is a viable solution to this dilemma and it is quite simple. Nato members need to fund a nato force. Soldiers from all member states can voluntarily join this force, it can train and work from bases accross Europe and North America and then can be deployed by the Secretary General when needed like in Afghanistan. A Nato vote is all that will be required to deploy the force and the Army then is Nato's and not Canada's or France's or Germany's.
Governments then are not responsible for sending sons and daughters to war they volunteered for a dangerous job end of storey. It takes the politics out of it. Member nations could then reduce their armed forces by appropriate numbers to offset the cost of funding this new military organization.
Jane
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BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!
SunCoaster
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David Probst
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Dean
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Heavy lifting eh,thats real sacrifice.Give your head a shake pal.Commiting soldiers who are fighting the enemy and are in the HOT zones,thats heavy lifting.Ultimate sacrifice is losing 1's young men for the cause.In this case a lost cause.
Trent a Vet from Edmonton
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Rick in AB
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If they don't want to, then kick in the funding to replace our equipment, although it still won't give our brave men and women a break.
Then again, who are we kidding!!
Yes we can try to bring stability to the region, but it will be twice or three times as long as we have been there so far. Don't forget that these regions have been warring for centuries and due to the religious and cultural mix involved, they won't just quit very soon.
Canada has done her part and we can contribute in other ways as other NATO nations are rotated to the front lines.
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Those of you who think that this is "pretty simple" just don't get it. As the Russians found out, the Afghan people are incredibly hardy and are willing to die to defend their territory. As many as we kill through air strikes, more young boys are being trained to carry on the fight. After 7 years, we are no closer to a "victory", are we?
Does anyone remember the original purpose of our going there? We were meant to be peacekeepers who held the fort while the Americans foolishly invaded Iraq (something they had planned to do for years- that was always the primary mission for them, planned in '74 ).
The Americans in Afghanistan, meanwhile, were supposed to find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice - remember, it wasn't the Taliban who attacked the States, it was al Quida.
But who even talks about bin Laden now? Because the original rationale for the invasions of both Iraq and Afghanistan have fallen through, new ones have been invented for the sole purpose of extending the wars.
We never went to Afghanistan to fight for "women's rights"- that was a sop to appease the left. We never went there to spread democracy- that appeased the right.
Now the mission is so vaguely defined that it is impossible to fulfill. When exactly are we done?
Instead, we might want to consider whether there's a real mission here, one that neither the public nor our leaders wish to acknowledge: the continued occupation of Middle Eastern countries to secure oil for Western economies. That's why the UK and America remain.
And our excuse is...?
Bill Steedman
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It would however not be unreasonable to provide some key officers and Senior NCOs on exchange service with the U.S. forces as advisors.
We've always done this, both with the Americans and the Brits, and this would address the experience issue without maintaining a large military presence in Afghanistan.
Gary
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dulak
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No need for NATO to worry. Canadian expertise will remain, only in a different roll.
reece
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Jim Mac
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For all you people who think that the fight in Afghanistan is just in the Southern provinces think again Look along the Pakistani boarder in Khowst look at the commitment there from the NATO partners CTV is not broadcasting or reporting on actions there because there are no Canadian missions being conducted there. And to all these so called Soldiers who have been there we would have not reached a high standard if it was not for Allied help, maybe you mouth pieces should leave the KAF and go on a patrol instead of bad mouthing from what you hear at the local Kaf timhortons or pizza hut, I bet when you do leave camp its to go to the bazaar to buy a hero carpet and talk about your tough deployment in your air-condition internet access sea can.
MikeAwesome00
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Doug On
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Mr Secretary-General, having those ramp ceremonies continue will "really-hurt" Canadians.
There won't be any peace to keep
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GLENN C
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where are the Italians and other Nato countries? for that matter why can't the Afghan troops take over?
Canada out of NATO
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David H in Ottawa
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Our troops have done a commendable job - but lack the proper military equipment to do the job.
In addition, our troop levels are small and these troops are continue to go back over and over again - without any rest period whatsoever. This is not a good situation as the fatalities and injuries will continue to increase, when troops are tired.
Will our continued presence solve the insurgency problem?
The media continues to report on such issues as Michael Jackson's death and problems he created for himself over the years.
Yet, there are very few reports on our troops who have put their lives on the line, just so that somebody in some other country can have a taste of the freedom we experience in Canada.
It's about time that we have daily reports on the progress of our troops and continued acknowledgement of their efforts.
The current priorities appear to be wrong - an entertainer, for example, who made and spent millions versus a soldier who fights for freedom and makes a miniscule salary for his/her efforts and puts their life on the line.
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It would be political suicide for our government to change positions. I am asking all Canadians to send NATO all their worn out socks..maybe they will get the message. And for the Canadian troops who were or are in Afghanistan...You rock !! We are proud of all of you...and its time we get you home.
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"Canadian soldiers are worn out???? Get real.
I wish I could say that at my job after 5 years and take off a few years to sit around.
No more surrender talk. It's better to fight over there, than to let these guys bring it here."
Chicken, I don't think you can quite grasp the fact, that in the military our job is not a 9am-5pm, 5 day a week thing.
When you are in combat, your job is 24/7 and that goes on for months at a time. I suggest before you make anymore uneducated comments like this, that you go to your nearest recruiting office and if you are eligible, please sign up, Infantry and find out for yourself.
And for the rest of you who have never served in the military, please stop pretending that you know what it is that we go through and please quit pretending that you actually know what is going on there, because just reading your opinions....you don't!
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I think we need to be clear what an extension to this mission means. More importantly what voice Canada has in forming the broader NATO strategy.
No surprise, Harper of course will not mention a mission extension while the federal election has been looming. But I guarentee it's in the wood work, especially after our order for some new helicopters.
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How many other NATO nations are there alongside us??
Once ALL other NATO countries have soldiers there can they start talking about us. Until then, shut up!
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Obviously some people haven't a clue of what is going on. Harper took office in 2006. Our troops were sent there YEARS before that..by the LIBERALS. Martin then proceeded to OFFER to send our troops to the south where most of the fighting is. I still remember a couple very high ranking Liberal Ministers telling Canadians that we will be taking heavy casualties.
Another Liberal trying to rewrite history, eh Shawn.
Rick in SK
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Actually the Netherlands is doing a lot of the heavy lifting in Afghanistan. Check your facts before you post.
Pip
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Cordesman omits the most important fact: that NATO has already been seriously hurt by some of its major members refusing their treaty obligations by placing caveats on what their troops could do. Why those nations chose to do as they did is beyond me. That they need to carry their share of the combat burden, however, is glaringly obvious.
As has been pointed out, Canada has more than carried out its treaty obligations, and has achieved much in the most difficult of conditions. We should, as required by parliamentary decision, withdraw from combat operations according to schedule. We should, however, continue our aid to Afghanistan, continuing the rebuilding of the fabric of that nation, especially working in the field of social development and education. it is only through the latter than an eventual peace will be won, as educated children learn that there are other ways to live than under the medieval tribal system that separates instead of uniting Afghanis. The Taliban and its unyielding fundamentalism that rejects change relies on the tribal divisions; remove them and the Taliban loses its power.
It is also time that Canada,the United States and Britain review their ties to NATO and produce a few caveats of our own. We went to their aid twice. When asked for their aid, the aid offered was so hedged with caveats and cavilling as to be worthless.
Jim Mac
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The days of peacekeeping as you know it are over. It is proven to be completely ineffective. The only thing a peacekeeping mission serves to accomplish is to send soldiers overseas. Force them to watch a genocide happen before their very eyes, and not be permitted to intervene and save the day. And then we come home and live with that the rest of our lives while Canadian citizens pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
I should know, i've been there. Lets please not push our politics back to a failed policy like that ever again.
As for Afghanistan. In my humble opinion, we definitly need a short break. But that doesnt have to mean we are out for good. We can always go back once we're rested up and have had a chance to properly train our new members.
Chicken
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Get real.
I wish I could say that at my job after 5 years and take off a few years to sit around.
No more surrender talk. It's better to fight over there, than to let these guys bring it here.
Shawn
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If Harper had a spine in the first place he would have denied Bush's request for troops at the beginning of the war.
It's the United States' mess. Let them clean it up. That's what you get when you put an arrogant self centered Texan in office.
DaveEast
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We must stand with our Allies, and especially stand with the Afghan people against this brutal and inhuman fundamentalist terrorist infection.
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David in Dartmouth
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There are other ways we could still contribute.
1) Security teams will still be required for the Provincial re-construction teams, and training units for the Afghan Army;
2) The Wainwright War school in Alberta, could provide in valuable training for other NATO countries contemplating sending troops there;
3) Most importantly, this business of allowing Nato members to use caveats to avoid the heavy lifting must cease forthwith.
We need a breather, to re-group, replce our worn equipment and worn troops.
We have done more than our fair share, NATO -STEP UP TO THE PLATE! (U.S., U.K. and Dutch exempted of course)
Pro Patra
Dean
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We have done our job there.Now it's time for all the so called "important" nations (Fance Germany Italy Netherlands Denmark Spain...etc) to send troops and FIGHT.They now can feel the pain of losing young lads in a useless quagmire of a war.
There is only 1 goal in war,and that is to win.Not to play peace keeper and rebuild said country when you are fighting.After you have destroyed and cleaned up what is left of your enemy,then you can start rebuilding and repairing the damage.We have done none of this,and that is why we and the Brits and Americans are struggling.The Taliban could care less how many of there soldiers die,ther not afraid of death.So unless we decide (nato) to become exrtemely ruthless,we can never win this war.
simon
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Now Harper is under pressure from both Obama and NATO to stay.
Know what? He just might !
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D. Winkler Moose Jaw
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Jon in London ON
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The true issue is that Obama has no influence over or respect from other NATO countries. They simply smile politely and ignore the NATO requests for more troops.
It is interesting to note another story today about a "disillusioned" US war resister being supported and allowed to stay in Canada for another six months.
In 2008, all parties except for the Conservatives adopted a non-binding motion urging that American military resisters be allowed to stay in Canada.
Michelle Robidoux, spokeswoman for the War Resisters Support Campaign, you need to support your Canadian troops. What has this group done to support Canadian soldiers?
Dean
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Bring our troops home
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JDF
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In order for us to be effective Peacekeepers, we need to be effective Soldiers first. How can you keep peace that doesn't exist yet? Ya gotta make it before you can keep it.
Good for the Conservatives for not budging...
Remarkable
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Canada's departure from the South would most definately hurt the NATO mission there. However, many of our allies within NATO (especially the Germans and Italians) should start lifting these restrictions they have on their military who are serving in Afghanistan.
Canada has been doing more than it's fair share, which has always been the case in major military expeditions, but it is now time that these governments in Europe start pulling their own weight.
I know of German Soldiers who would love to move into the Southern Regions and do their share, however their governments are holding them back and that is not fair to neither Canada, the US, The Dutch or the Brits who have been doing most of the fighting there.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Our departure from Afghanistan can, and will only, be justified if/when we can credibly and legitimately say that, at that point, we've fully achieved our ORIGINAL objective. Otherwise, it's not "mission accomplished" but, rather, "mission incomplete and unaccomplished."
Indeed, 10 years is a long time...and the mission, clearly, SHOULD be completed by now. However, we all know that NATO still has unfinished business there.
Setting a pull-out date, long in advance of appearing to complete a mission, makes a sad statement that it's not really about "winning" as much as it is putting in your time and being able to say that you helped out. That's a wimpy, politically-driven, unmilitary posture.
My hope is that our federal government doesn't shame and demean the valiant efforts and brave sacrifices of our men and women in uniform; and especially those who gave their lives for the cause...by "quitting" at an "early" juncture.
Regardless, politicians in Ottawa will never, and should never, diminish our national pride.
John
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A Voice From Ottawa
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Canada has been a world leader in providing assistance to the Afghan people, let those who have watched from the sidelines in NATO step up and do their part.
JP- a Vet in BC
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For the Political party in power- if they extend- it will be political suicide for them.
Remember the people who put us into this Nato duty- Martin and Hillier- have both gotten so far away from this- and are collectoing nice pensions. You do not hearthen speak out anymore.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME.
RETURN then to PEACEKEEPING- where we are experts at.
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