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Capt. Robert Semrau is seen in this image taken from video filmed in Afghanistan, Thursday, Oct. 18, 2008. (U.S. Military / Cpl. John Scott Rafoss) CTV map detailing the location of Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan. Suspected militants, along with their ammunition and vehicle, are shown to media after Afghan security forces arrested them in Lashkar Gah, the provincial capital of Helmand province, south of Kabul, Afghanistan on Oct. 15, 2008. (AP / Abdul Khaleq) Capt. Robert Semrau is seen in this image taken from video filmed in Afghanistan, Thursday, Oct. 18, 2008. (U.S. Military / Cpl. John Scott Rafoss)

Canadian soldier charged in Afghan's death

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CTV Newsnet: Steve Chao reports from Kandahar
The Canadian forces are facing criticism for not alerting the public to an incident for two and a half months, but the army insists the Captain's innocence stands until proven otherwise.
CTV News: Graham Richardson details the case
A senior Canadian soldier is behind bars tonight in Afghanistan, charged with second-degree murder. He's accused of shooting an unarmed man.
CTV Newsnet: Steve Chao from Kandahar on the charges
A Canadian soldier has been charged with second-degree murder in the death of a presumed Taliban fighter in Helmand province.
CTV Newsnet: Col. (ret'd) Michel Drapeau on some questions being raised about the charges
A retired colonel says the unprecedented short period of time between when the allegations were levied and when the charges were laid, raises some very serious questions about why it is being done so fast.
CTV Newsnet: Scott Taylor, Esprit de Corps Magazine
The Canadian Forces National Investigation Service is looking at whether proper procedures were followed surrounding the death of a 'presumed' insurgent in Afghanistan.

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Date: Fri. Jan. 2 2009 10:15 PM ET

A Canadian soldier in Afghanistan is facing a second-degree murder charge in connection with the death of a suspected Taliban militant in Helmand province.

Capt. Robert Semrau is accused of shooting, "with intent to kill," an unarmed male civilian during an October battle in which Afghan, Canadian and British soldiers defended the capital of Helmand province, Lashkar Gah, from an insurgent attack.

Semrau, who is from Pembroke, Ont., was charged Dec. 31, the same day the Canadian military announced that the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service was investigating a death that took place "on or about" Oct. 19 in Helmand province. The siege in Lashkar Gah ended Oct. 18.

Semrau is being held in military custody and will be transported back to Canada to face the charge.

Officials at Kandahar Airfield did not offer further comment on the case Friday.

Questions swirling around timing

Col. Jamie Cade, acting commander of Task Force Afghanistan, said he only learned of the death on Dec. 27.

Michel Drapeau, a retired Canadian colonel who practises law in Ottawa, questioned how much the military knew, and when they knew it.

"I can't believe that you'd be able to suffocate this kind of report for two-and-a-half months . . . unless you wanted to," he told CTV News.

"Was there a conspiracy along the way? Did everybody agree not to talk about it, not to report it? Everybody under the National Defence Act has a positive duty to report a crime when they see it."

Amir Attaran, a law professor with the University of Ottawa, told CTV News the timing of the charge "doesn't pass the smell test."

He questioned how quickly the military went from launching the investigation to laying a charge, suggesting that they already knew "who their man was."

The murder charge stirs up unpleasant memories of the Canadian Forces mission in Somalia.

There was a similar reporting delay in the 1993 beating death of a Somalia teenager by members of the Canadian Airborne Regiment. The affair hurt the reputation of the Canadian military and a public inquiry was launched, leading to the disbanding of the Airborne Regiment.

Retired Col. Mike Capstick emphasized the need not to rush to judgment in the Afghanistan case.

"The Canadian Forces doesn't want to be covering stuff up . . . they learned the lessons in the post-Somalia period very, very well," he said on CTV Newsnet Friday.

Soldier a mentor

Semrau is part of the Operational Mentor and Liaison Team (OMLT), the unit of the Canadian military that trains members of the Afghan National Army (ANA).

During the siege in Helmand province, the OMLT was mentoring Afghan soldiers participating in the attack.

After the three-day battle, Afghan and foreign troops managed to gain control of the Nad Ali district, which had been under insurgent control.

Both Afghan and NATO officials said at least 100 Taliban militants were killed in the fighting.

In a news release issued by NATO on Oct. 19, 2008, the date of the shooting, Semrau is quoted discussing his work training Afghan soldiers.

"Working with the ANA presents some challenges; you have to be very patient, but when you get down to the bottom of it, they are just like us and like to kid around and joke," Semrau, who is identified as an OMLT "commanding mentor," is quoted as saying.

"They're just like soldiers all around the world and are good guys."

CTV News correspondent Steve Chao said the fact that a Canadian soldier is facing charges in connection with the death of an Afghan civilian will not reflect well on NATO forces, which have faced criticism for conducting air strikes that have killed civilians.

"I think the Canadian forces here are trying to show, by announcing this very publicly, that they are taking a very hard stance against any inappropriate misconduct," Chao said Friday during an interview on CTV Newsnet. "They want the world, and especially Afghans, to know that this is not acceptable and they will come down hard on any soldiers that step out of line."

On Thursday, an Afghan army general who was present during the battle said he had not heard of any soldier engaging in "inappropriate conduct" in connection with death of the suspected insurgent.

According to Gen. Sher Muhammad Zazai, so many Taliban militants were killed that it would be hard to say how each of them died.

With a report from CTV's Graham Richardson

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Sherry in Ottawa
said

Why don't we wait to hear all the facts and why the soldier was charged? There is a lot of people out there saying that he should be charged etc and none of us knows all the facts. There is a very good chance that this was not some innocent civilian just walking by during a fire fight, so let's just remember that the Capt is innocent until proven guilty. Wait for the facts first people, otherwise the Taliban reading your comments are falling off their chairs laughing at the "foolish Canadians". There's more to the story that we do not know - Period!


Rob in Ottawa
said

As serving mbr, I would tend to agree with many of the posters, that there is simply not enough information available as of yet to form any sort of educated opinion about any of this. My problem here however is the amount of publicity that this has received right off the bat, along with all of the political attention to boot! In a perfect world where soldiers can always trust that due process will privail, than maybe no pause would be necessary here. That said however I would suggest that many of our troops have about the same amount of confidence in Chief Wiggum from the Simpsons series, as they do in the MP's or NIS's ability to be impartial in their findings. Saddly, I would also think that faith in the fact that a non-partisan machine will show up at the trial, is probably not at a very high level. If Somalia has taught the troops anything, It would most likely be to advice the good Capt to spare no expense in securing a civillian lawyer to be by his side throughout. Unfortunately though one can only hope that the charges are dropped so that this man's family will no longer be burdened with this injustice.


Allan Kuan, Vancouver, BC, Canada
said

You'd wish the laws were applied uniformly across all divisions (including the US ones that are conducting airstrikes on civilians in Pakistan). If that was done at least the innocent Afgans and the Pakistanis would be able to rest easy knowing that the people conducting such attacks would be brought to justice. Then again... we're dealing with an insurgency that knows no war laws or conventions or treaties... and chooses to fight amongst civilians and even use them as shields. In the end, there's no clear solution to these problems.


Think before you comment
said

Please read the excellent comments "There are Two Sets of Rules" and take the time to think before you make stupid comments. This was a soldier doing his job. Stop judging him and let the military do their job. Don't be surprised if you find out that he did nothing wrong!


Just Me
said

Why did this investigation take so long?

Capt. Semrau is very well trained - and obviously trusted - to be in the position he was in.

I have to wonder *if* the suspected insurgent was in fact armed and had killed Capt. Semrau would he have been carried on our Highway of Heroes in October with the respect and prayers of our country...instead of being put through this ordeal now?

By all means, let the process the Military has deemed necessary proceed, but Canadians are watching for a fair, impartial hearing.

My best wishes to Capt. Semrau and his family.


mike tyrrell
said

The sad thing in this matter are the hateful comments leveled by so many posters against the Cdn Forces.If it wasnt for theallied soldiers who risked their lives to preserve freedom you would not have the freedom to express your views.This event should not be a media circus but should have been dealt with by the military before releasing ALL the facts.Before making comments you should be there.
All the best to our Canadian Troops.
mike RAF Vet


George Poole in Lunenburg
said

"Tk in BC
Wow. This is the part of being "at war" in Afganistan that most Canadians have not considered...and won't like. Peacekeeping was so much easier!"

^The new Canadian way, always looking for the cakewalk and deriding those who want to contribute honestly instead of take take take.



Aaron
said

If this man did in fact murder an innocent civilian, then fine, he should be held accountable. However, in my 11 years in the military (I am now a police officer so for discussions sake let's take any perceived anti - police bias out of the equation), I have seen the military police drop the ball and drag people through the mud by jumping the gun and charging people without thorough or objective investigation. Most notably, charging my friend Master Corporal (now Sergeant) Robbie Fraser in the manslaughter death of his platoon mate MCpl Jeffery Walsh. None of us back here know all the circumstances so I urge everyone to (as we say in the army), "watch and shoot.." This soldier should be given the benefit of the doubt just like anyone one else.


Fed Up
said

This is a war! There is collateral damage whenever a fire fight occurs. The Taliban aren't being prosecuted whenever a civilian gets killed by a roadside bomb. This stupidity just reinforces the fact that our boys should not be there. If Steven Harper had any guts, he would use his current position as the Dictator of Canada to bring them all home.


A fellow Soldier
said

Garry you hit the nail right on the head. I am a soldier who has served in Afghanistan and have been in numerous fire fights. Obviously his actions are questionable or we would not have these charges being laid. Let the system run its course and justice will prevail.


Mo
said

Well done.
The court will decide weather he killed that civilian intentionally or accidentally. It's not for you people to decide. And yes no one deserves to die even the extremists and terrorists because even though they are our enemy, they are people and they have their own beliefs. That man didn't have a gun and it is a crime to shoot an unarmed man. Good start military to stop these war crimes before they become like the last war Canada was involved in.


Gary
said

"His boots aren't the problem.
The problem is where his boots are: stomping on a country possessing resources that the US imperialist war criminals want to grab."

Heh heh heh heh heh .... This comment would be disturbing were it not so darned funny! :D

Tell me, my not-so-learned left-wing loon, which Afghani resources are the "US imperialist war criminals" (and, one assumes, we Canadians, other allies, the Hitler Youth, and everybody else over there) trying to grab?

Have you ever seen that place? There is only one resource in that whole darned cesspool of a country: DIRT. (And yet people have been fighting over it since the dawn of time. Boggles my mind, it does....)

Gary in Ottawa


Greg from Kitchener
said

Our soldiers should be let off if a Terrorist dies, they are the enemy...
Would we be charging our boys and girls if a German soldier died in WW1 or 2?


Tony Dubois
said

If the goverment does not want them to fight then bring them home, It's bsd enough that we send them over there without the equipment they need to fight a war. It's war the man was in a battle someone died that is not murder, what is being done to Capt. Semrau is criminal however.


CFSpouse
said

Night Owl....You got to be kidding me...LMAO!!


Turn it into a political game Edward
said

To Edward in Medicine Hat.
What the hell difference does it make if or how long our Minister of Defence knew of these allegiations? Get a life Edward, this soldier doesn't need that kind of crap from you!




Raymond
said

Reminds me of Willard's narrative in 'Apocalypse Now': "Charging a man with murder in this place is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500"...




Dan Murphy
said

Yellowknife

I am naturally sympathetic to the Captain's plight. My fear is that he will be hounded by the military in a show trial in order that Canada be seen as "politically correct" in the eyes of the world. I guess we have to wait and see the facts of the situation but I fear that this soldier will not get a fair trial.

These guys are doing carrying out a very difficult assignment in an arena where it's not always clear who is who. The Taliband are not big on wearing uniforms and routinely "hide" amongst civilians, including women and children.

Canadians should be vigilant that this soldier is fairly prosecuted, not persecuted!


Garry in NS
said

I am truly astonished at how many people in this site - both for and against - are so sanctimonious in their particular opinion. The bottom line is this . . . none of us are aware of the facts or evidence surrounding this case. Let justice take its course and cease your pontificating.


RobO: CAR was disbanded after Somalia fiasco.
said

Some of you people should be locked up. You have no conception of decency or democracy.

As for you, Valerie Clement, you got one thing right: you "cannot understand."
Why would try to generalize for all soldiers in WW1 and WW2 when one soldier in Afghanistan has been charged, though not yet tried or convicted, of committing a murder?

Get back to school and get some knowledge and reasoning power.



Sitoo, Moncton NB
said

This is a pathetic charge. We are at war. The man was clearly a Taliban...why should he have lived? Because he was not armed? PLEASE! My son in law was killed in Afghanistan this summer...he was not armed either...do you think the Taliban had considered that when they killed him and his fellow soldiers? I applaud Capt Semrau for his actions and I want him to know that we support him! This war will not end anytime soon...what do they want us to do...hand the Taliban a weapon first? Come on!


been there
said

People need to understand one thing...the Taliban know our tactics and they know our ROE's, time and time again Canadian troops have come under contact and when they've unleashed thier fire power the insugents and Taliban merely place their weapons in a hay bail or grape hut and walk away knowing that Canadian troops can not engage them...and then return at a later time to retrieve their weapons and hit them again. Those armachair Generals need to take their heads out of their buts and instead of criticizing troops put pressure on the powers that be to change the ROE's so that Canadian troops can have a more agressive platform for engaging the enemy, and mabey...jut mabey we can win this thing, or aleast make Jonny Taliban think twice before taking on the Crazy Canuks !!!!


Nite Owl
said

(another) CF Soldier said "As soldiers, we are called upon to put our lives on the line so civilians, our families, don't have to." Well Boo Hoo. That's what you signed up for Jack. I put my life on the line driving cab at night for TWENTY FIVE YEARS. Store clerks, cops, firefighters rig workers and innumerable others put their lives on the line every day. Maybe not for so noble a cause as overthrowing a government thousands of miles from Canada. No, we do it to make a living and feed our families and pay our taxes. We don't get thousands of Canadians lining highways to mourn our deaths. Most of our dead barely get a mention in the paper. Do you expect to get your butt kissed for risking the same life we risk when we go to work? Are you supposed to be special? Grow up.


Bill S., Ottawa
said

Our capacity to live by our principles of justice to arrest the wrong doing of our own military is what makes our military morally superior to the Taliban. Those of you who believe that "because the Taliban have no rules" we shouldn't have rules are mistaken. It's not easy to practice what you preach, but we must do it - unlike terrorists. This is the price you pay for having morals - otherwise we are no better than terrorists. The NIS was formed because Canadian soldiers killed an innocent Somali teenager in 1993. If this man murdered, then he goes to jail. Murder is wrong - no matter who does it.


Lewie Callahan
said

If the dead man was a suspected Taliban, why is our soldier being charged with murder?

Isn't this simply a natural corollary of fighting an enemy that refuses to wear a uniform? If so, why blame our soldier????


True Canadian
said

There is unfortunately two standards/rules of engagement for warfare. The dispicable cowards that hide behind children and women in civilian residences and set IED on roads and the Canadian soldier who is trying to help out the unfortunate victims of these cowards that hide under the guise of Islamic faith. They are a disgrace to Islam and the people of Afganistan. I can only hope that this soldier will be exonerated for his action and the people of Afghanistan will understand any actions that are taken by our military. Some day I hope Afghanistan will stand as a nation where its people will join the rest of the world in peace. Lets pray for a better year in 2009. Rest in peace Canadian soldiers you have done Canada proud!


His boots aren't the problem.
said

The problem is where his boots are: stomping on a country possessing resources that the US imperialist war criminals want to grab.




Valerie Clement
said

How can anyone serving in an active role during a military conflict be accused of murder??
Does this mean that all soldiers of ww1 and ww2 are murderers. I cannot understand why you would not be allowed to defend yourself against someone who is trying to kill you


Robert Rivard served in Afganistan 3 times
said

Shame! Replace Harper, Defense Minister Mackay and the head of Canadian forces.
Sounds like Canada has Taliban hangover!
Next time you see any Canadian elected official in Afganistan (who only come for a photo op) Give them the middle finger salute.


RobO
said

First, we must understand the battle and what was happening, prior to making judgement.

For all you yahoo's who have posted nothing but negative comments, shame on you.

As a retired member of 20 years I can still remember being spit on by our own people because of Somalia!

That is when I figured out, that this country has no respect for our lives and what we do.

All I can say is I hope the people who have posted negative comments should never be in need of the military to dig them out or sand bag your area.

So before you think, maybe you should walk a mile in our combat boots and feel how it is to be fired upon in the heat of battle and you tell me if you can make a judgement call on who has a weapon and who doesn't!

These brave souls place their lives on the line every day for this country. Be it hera or in some unforgotten hell hole!

You should be more concerned with the crime and death in our own cities than slamming the troops.

So maybe step up and do some good for this country and serve your country prior to making insulting comments!




Michael from Toronto
said

There are some big problems with this news. I think this report is premature because the charge is so severe but yet so swift, on top of being in a combat environment.

If I were in a combat situation where there was imminent danger of insurgents over-running my unit; I would not hesitate to execute an insurgent even if he were disarmed or unarmed.

In WWII, this was the normal necessary thing to do if spies or enemy caught out of uniform in an active combat zone. It has nothing to do with the case being an Afghan or a Muslim. If you are not identifiable as a combatant and part of an attacking force you expect summary execution.


Edward, Medicine Hat
said

Wondering if and how long our Minister of Defence knew of these allegiations?


jan2comment
said

To all my small "c" conservative friends: this man is innocent until proven guilty, but don't slant your comments from the get go. Let due process take its course, without grandstanding. Please have faith in the military tribune process. The facts are not public. But that doen't mean I can't say this:

CANADIAN TROOPS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!


Mike Sibley
said

Give me a brake, we send our troops into a battle zone and if an unarmed person gets shot in the middle of the battle (what was this unarmed person doing in the middle of a fire fight anyway)we arrest one or more of the soliders we sent into this fight. Man O man, maybe it's time for our troops to say no more fighting if this is the way we are going to be treated if someone gets killed. I'm sure if the judge who will try this solider was in this fire fight and he looked out and saw someone out in front of him where the firing is comeing from he would have shot this guy also. It's easy for people to sit back and second guess our troops when they are safe and sound sitting in their lazy boy chairs, maybe they should join the army and change places with this solider and see if they would still want this man arrested and charged.

Mike Sibley
Pembroke, Ontario


Nite Owl
said

Good idea Kate. Lets start shooting all the children too. I used to be so proud to be a Canadian. I can see my pride was misplaced. We're no better than the Taliban. Just a different colour.


Gary
said

I am a serving member, have 6 tours under my belt (including a lovely 6 months in Kandahar), and am content to keep my trap shut and let the investigation take its course.

One thing about this situation, though, scares the bejeebers out of me and that is that the governemnt may think it necessary to crucify this soldier, regardless of whether he is actually guilty of a crime, in a misguided attempt to atone for Somalia. I, for one, do not fancy Capt Semrau's chances in a military court.

Something to consider: The difference between getting a medal and being charged with murder can be mere seconds.

A quote from a movie y'all may recognize, equally applicable to Afghanistan today as it was with Viet Nam 35 years ago: "Charging a man with murder in this place is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."

Gary in Ottawa


eddytoronto
said

Maybe it is time to get all Canadians out of afghanistan, before they are all charged with participating in an illegal war!!


CFMember
said

I am quite sure he would much rather be judged by 12 then carried by 8. Throw out the charges!!!


(another) CF Soldier
said

As soldiers, we are called upon to put our lives on the line so civilians, our families, don't have to. Our soldiers, this Captain included, are in a unique and dangerous situation fighting insurgents in Afghanistan. As some people have already posted, we live and fight, and in many cases are limited, by a very strict set of rules of engagement, and we NATO countries always follow the Laws of Armed Conflict.

Please, reserve your judgment in this case until the details are better known.

When in a combat situation with insurgents, it is important for people to realize that this sort of firefight does not follow the "honorable" format of years past.

Our forces are fully uniformed, and clearly identified as combatants.

The insurgents, however, are not. Soldiers in combat have to make split second decisions, many of which are life or death.

Simply put, it is very difficult to tell the difference between a civilian and an insurgent, since they are not clearly marked. A person is a civilian one second, and clearly not a target, and when that same person produces an AK47 and shoots your buddy, he becomes an insurgent enemy.

This battle included hundreds of insurgents, over 100 of which were killed in the firefight. I would contend, and bet that I am correct, in saying that the man killed was VERY likely a combatant acting aggressively.

Either way, I hope the military justice system is fair and that the government is not simply making a "statement".

This man willingly put his life on the line, and if this shooting was an accident or the man shot was an insurgent, we should set him free, give him our apologies, and let him continue to protect our freedom.


CFSpouse
said

I wonder if that Taliban militant was responsible for any of the Canadians that were killed in Afghanistan. I guess it doesn't matter. thisis such a load of crap. I hope the charges are thrown out!!!!


Doug, Medicine Hat
said

Will this investigation be Somila all over again?


Claude Chantigny CD
said

WHAT! Are you kidding me. Bring em all home, NOW. It's time. If this is the way our "Soldiers" are going to be treated, then bring em home. What a bloody farce. I am far to enraged to reply further....


Tk in BC
said

Wow. This is the part of being "at war" in Afganistan that most Canadians have not considered...and won't like. Peacekeeping was so much easier!


Wally "excop" from Montreal
said

Please release the soldier, he has suffered enough, and will still suffer from PTSD when he returns home to family and friends. He will need a lot of support. Oh another old saying " bullets don't have eye's and they can't see in the dark" ty


kate
said

First of all, he's only been charged not convicted so let's save the judgmental comments until a verdict is in. Just because someone is charged,that doesn't mean they are necessary guilty.

Let's also not foget that these guys see alot of things that would fell the lot of us. Imagine seeing your comrades blown to bits and having to pick up appendages off the side of the road - can't even imagine what that would to to a persons mind. I'm not making excuses, just saying that the kind of war that is being fought over there is not your typical war where you clearly know the enemy. Over there the enemy can be an innocent looking young child with a bomb strapped to them so I'd be careful before pronouncing hasty judgements.


John Q
said

Stupidest thing that I have ever heard of.



I agree with Debbie
said

This is a WAR not a video game! Those poor soliders are on alert around the clock!

Anybody go NEAR them, they will react! Our Canadian soliders have to protect their lives!

This whole thing is getting OUT OF HAND! Cost too much money and too many lives!

Time to send our soliders back home and STOP wasting our tax payers' hard earn money! It cost MILLIONS of DOLLARS every single month. So far what did we accomplish? When will this end?

People in MIDDLE EAST has been on WARS for more than half a century. They need to learn to WORK IT OUT AMONG THEMSELVES! We CAN'T BABYSIT THEM FOREVER!

Time for them to GROW UP AND DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEM!


I agree with Debbie
said

This is a WAR not a video game! Those poor soliders are on alert around the clock!

Anybody go NEAR them, they will react! Our Canadian soliders have to protect their lives!

This whole thing is getting OUT OF HAND! Cost too much money and too many lives!

Time to send our soliders back home and STOP wasting our tax payers' hard earn money! It cost MILLIONS of DOLLARS every single month. So far what did we accomplish? When will this end?

People in MIDDLE EAST has been on WARS for more than half a century. They need to learn to WORK IT OUT AMONG THEMSELVES! We CAN'T BABYSIT THEM FOREVER!

Time for them to GROW UP AND DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEM!


George Poole in Lunenburg
said

Canadians are howling for justice? - Canadians are used to viewing being a good citizen as collecting their entitlements and being a good herd member - it does not surprise me that they are incapable of dealing with the concept that the purpose of the Armed Forces is to close with and destroy the enemy, not be social workers overseas.


George Poole in Lunenburg
said

Canadians are howling for justice? - Canadians are used to viewing being a good citizen as collecting their entitlements and being a good herd member - it does not surprise me that they are incapable of dealing with the concept that the purpose of the Armed Forces is to close with and destroy the enemy, not be social workers overseas.


GLENN --Toronto
said

This is for Michael Shannon whom obviously did not read the article. The suspected insurgent was killed during a battle in October. How do you get that it did not happen during the heat of a firefight from this article.



Shawn
said

"Maybe if all soldiers (on all sides) were taken into custody, we wouldn't have wars to fight."

Suzy, If it weren't for soldiers, would you have the freedom to write what you just did?


Mike
said

Heart goes out to this trooper, his family and his squadmates. I can't imagine how any of them feel right now.

It's a sad day when the bravery and servitude of our forces clashes with political agendas. While I agree the situation needs investigation, tact is certainly lacking here.

Many have commented that the "other side" "gets away" with their cowardly acts, and meanwhile we are slapped with this kind of hocus pocus. I agree, and as such I stand behind this young man and the sacrifice he is giving so I can live freely under my red and white flag.

Red for the sweat, tears and blood...too literally.


Anne
said

I can only imagine how difficult it would be to know who was on your side and who was against you. Although I feel bad for the person who died, this Canadian soldier was over there risking his life to make their's better and now he is being charged. What about all the roadside bombs that have killed our soldiers, who was charged then. Let's get real!!


Sid in MTL
said

Absolutely absurd! All combatants would have to be charged then. What's the difference if he was capped in a firefight or if he was capped afterward. War is war. If such is the case then the U.S. should be charged with multiple upon multiple counts of first degree murder when they dropped the atomic bombs on Japan.......many of the killed were simple civilians who had no direct participation in the war, but the were killed just the same.

Simply absurd! Only in Bleeding-Heart Canada..go figure.....send them there to kill but then charge them with murder. Glad I retired from the military!


GLENN - Toronto
said

What a crock. How many of our soldiers are not going to think twice about the action they take in the heat of battle and that split second delay will cost them their life, or those fighting along side of or even the people they are trying to protect. I still think that the number of Canadian deaths would be more than halved if were not for rules and lack of manpower. I feel if your not going to send in more soldiers and especially top of the line equipment so that they can do the best job they can do then we should pull out. Why should our military be sitting ducks for anyone with bomb or a huan shield to hide behind.


Alain Mason
said

If it is a legitimate case, fine. But, I am uncertain about the military judicial system.

Hopefully, this not an example of throwing the book at one token solder for PR political purposes, or because a senor officer did not like him.


Val Sheehan
said

Totally ridiculous.I hope the rest of the soldier's will stay Strong!!


GET REAL
said

WE DIDN'T START THIS FIGHT THE TERRORISTS AND THE TALIBAN OF THE WORLD DID.

Do the taliban give a crap about us,when they shoot only to wound or kill our soldiers.

Or how about sneaking around planting road side bombs or having suicide bombers blow themselves up only to kill our people. FOR WHAT?

Do they honor the rules of war or the rights of the people of the world ?

I THINK NOT !!!

Let the people of Afghanistan fight a civil war so they can rid themselves of the Taliban.


If this soldier is found guilty, then bring all of our people home, immediately.

NO MORE SUPPORT OR HELP FOR AFGHANISTAN .......



Someone is dead for nothing, that is the reality!
said

Poorly prepared to face such a situation. easy to say not guilty put yourself in the shoes of the decease family.

When you do something wrong you have to face the music. Too easy to try to find excuses while someone else lost his life!

Let's make sure we get to the buttom of this and take appropriate actions.


Wes
said

Civilians will always die, by collateral damage,in a firefight or in a war, but we don't know the other side of the story, the NIS is unpredictable, as so the military by covert it up, who knows. This could be politically motivated or winning the hearts and minds of the people of afghanistan by convicting one of our own by making them believe that we are not cruel people. I don't thing he would of exceed is orders, he would know better as an officer. It is hard to say.


Glenn In BC
said

I like the quote from Grover1 and I couldn't agree more! This is added stress for the Capt and his family let alone the members of his troop. absolute BS.


Second Thought
said

I guess I will not be contacting the Canadian Military recruiting officer...


M. Cameron
said

Good to know our military are prohibited from doing what they are trained to do. It's no wonder our military doesn't get the respect it deserves, even from us Canadians. What a joke.


J
said

we have to wait for details on this story since right now we have no idea what the situation was. It's like announcing there was a car accident in Toronto, but giving no details at all. He's innocent until proved guilty, we aren't sure if they were a civilian or Taliban, or any detail at all. Right now everything is rumours and speculation.

If he did kill an innocent person though it is good that it will be made public in Afghanistan showing that NATO is there to protect and not hurt everyday Afghans. The people of Afghanistan should know, but it never hurts to have another reminder.


Raj
said

This saddens me.I feel for this man.


Neil
said

None of this stuff should be made public until after an offical military inquiry. If there's nothing to it then he is returned to duty with a very sincere apology. If guilty of some serious breach of discipline, then it may go public. This officers name is already the stuff of idle gossip now. Not a great way to treat our servicemen.


Bev.
said

Our soldiers like any need to obey the rules of combat. However Afghanistan is one huge war zone. You can not expect our soldiers to search every Taliban supporter to see if they are armed before shooting them. Even if he had declared he was unarmed I can't see a soldier beleiving anything he said. These are people who strap bombs to their children and send them into crowds so they can blow them up. I don't think they are worthy of our trust. Most of our soldiers are killed by roadside bombs which have been set by these cowards and could just as easily kill innocent children on the same roads.
As for Canada's image. Our image over there is of a nation that doesn't support it's troops, a nation that is so soft and weak that we don't fight back adequately. That's why our troops are targeted. It's a joke.
Yes lets improve our image, lets show that we are there to free the Afghan people from the Taliban and other terrorists, but let's also show that we support our troops and if need be will send another 100,000 more troops with equipment and blow the Taliban off the face of the planet. They could probably use the crater for a lake to improve the country.
It would be nice if we could paint all the enemy with flourescent paint so they could be picked out of a crowd but we can't, they hide in homes, churches, behind children and women, and in the market places.
The closest thing to identifying them would be to call out for anyone who isn't a Taliban supporter to step forward and strip to show they aren't armed or be shot. Anyone stopping someone from stepping forward could instantly be shot on the spot.



Darrell
said

Just when you think that you heard it all. A soldier being charged with murder during a battle!! Hmmmmmmmmm??????? What next????


Don
said

Capt. Robert Semrau, that's what you get for being a soldier. May this be a warning to the rest of you heroes who think joining the army is a worthy cause. A warrior in the field, and a warrior in the court room - you will always be fighting with someone. That is the life of a soldier.


Les P
said

Unarmed? How do you know these people are unarmed? They strap belts of explosives conceiled under clothing and without any guilt, blow people to bits and then considered hero's by their piers.
I'm sure this soldier was not just shooting anything that moves, but by understanding the way the Taliban operates and was merely protecting himself and his fellow soldiers.
25 years? Good luck finding new recruits to sign up for this kind of treatment.


ECG in Newfoundland
said

Oh I think there is so much wrong with this - but I keep asking myself...what am I missing. They were engaged in a battle, he was a suspected Taliban - how was the Capt. supposed to know, beyond a reasonable doubt the militant wasn't armed. They are not like us, they dont' play by the rules and because no weapon was visible - what does that mean - just that...it's not visible. It could be hidden under his coat, shirt, shoe -anywhere for that matter.

I understand our Forces have strict rules they have to abide by - but I really can't see the point or justice in this.

My prayers and thoughts are with the Captain and his family as well as all of our troops...keep the faith.


Barney in Trenton
said

What a complete slap in the face.I live in Trenton and witness the soldiers coming home that have made the ultimate sacrifice. I hope the families that have lost these soldiers dont hear about this. The Taliban that set off roadside bombs dont abide by any rules.


Em
said

Innocent until proven guilty


Al in Calgary
said

With so little information being made public I am surprised at how many commentators are jumping to conclusions one way or the other. The simple fact is that we don't know the facts.

All that you can know at this stage is that a charge of second degree murder means that the NIS investigation must have uncovered enough evidence for a reasonable prospect of conviction in circumstances where the death was unjustified under the laws of war, including the applicable ROEs, and that the death was caused intentionally - as opposed to accidentally - but not premeditated. No one should be taking anything more out of this news than that.

Just because a captain is involved doesn't mean he didn't act inappropriately. All ranks are capable of violating the laws of war.

This officer is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I feel for him to have to endure this ordeal if he is innocent of any wrongdoing, but if he is guilty I fear the blot on the reputation of the CF is regrettably going to be blown out of proportion.

Fiat Justitia.


MM
said

I have children that have served in Afganistan and support our troops 100%. I also support the mission fully.

I never thought I would say this, but I think it is time to bring the troops home.

They cannot fight the enemy with their hands tied behind their backs when they are in battle.

Is NATO trying to score brownie points with the Afgan's by making an example of a Canadian soldier?

This only serves to strengthen the Taliban.

Our prayers go out to Capt. Semrau and his family.


LDS
said

Capt Semrau has walked many miles so we do not have to, has anyone heard of the great things that he has likely accomplished since being there. God speed to all our service personnel.


Makinawdandy
said

I feel sorry for the accused. This war is like a bad movie. It is like Vietnam. The local people don't want us there, and we don't know why we are there in the first place. The enemy is nebulous. The Taliban is like the Viet Cong; shoot you and then drift into the woodwork. You don't know who they are. They look like the average joe.

I just hope that they will end this bad movie soon. Please, please, please - pull the troops out NOW! We have had enough!


Get out of there now!
said

Presumed death? someone died indeed because of indicipline or plain imcompetence!

It makes you wonder how these solders were trained for such difficult situations.

We have no reason to be there in the first place and our federal Government was too affraid to say no to an American Terrorist, President Bush!

Shameful from both the American and Canadian Governments!


steve
said

The man was presumed a militant.What the hell.Our soldiers go over there and are trained for war situations.Unless there is more to this than is being led on by the media this young fellow should not be Charged.Welcome to the buracratic BS of our canadian government.trying to do the right thing by slapping our canadian women in the face with this crap.They send our troops to a country and subject them to mental and physical anguish as well as their familys back in canada. i wish this young Cpl and his family the best of luck.once again the sytem is failing our soldiers when they are not even being backed by the jack asses that sent them in the first place.


Joe..
said

I'm also wondering how does one tell the difference between a civilian and an enemy when they dress and look alike, some with their weapons hidden away in their clothes and others not. It looks like an honest mistake to me, how do you tell? In days past soldiers would respond to what they thought was a crying baby and end up picking up a bomb, so how do you know?


George
said

I don't seem to understand the situation here, so the Canadian soldier in question is going to be charged for killing a suspected enemy? Doesn't this happen all the time? He shot at someone during a battle, wasn't he just protecting himself and his team?
So a Canadian puts his life on the line and this is how he gets repaid. If they don't come back and receive second rate treatment and a slew of problems mentally and physically because of the war, he gets to go to jail?


Jey
said

By no means is the killing of a person by another ever an o.k. thing,but as a fellow soldier,it is never done without probable cause. I cannot believe a charge as heavy as second degree murder with a chance of 25yrs in prison is being considered by the same people who sent the good Capt to the country to do his job.


Kay Kennedy
said

Isn't that what our soldiers are there for . . . to rid the world of such evil. My son died over there by an IED. I consider him murdered by the Taliban the same as many of our Canadian soldiers who have lost their lives in that sick culture of a country. Yeah rid the world of such evil . . .


JKP Barrie
said

I think we need to resist comment and wait until all event evidence is brought forward, but what I find interesting is what would an innocent individual be doing standing or positioned in the middle of a seige situation, was it cross fire, was it casulty damage for the bigger fight and self defence? This is war and having immediate family member in battle in Afganistan now, I want to think of the pressure, and stress of quick thinking, kill or be killed stance they must all be thinking of a lawless and brutal enemy.

I'd rather think the overall good and improvements Canadian Military is carrying out daily, is the best all coalition forces can do in this difficult situation, that we all want to end.


Vern
said

So many negative and positive comments and the "Whole" story hasn't yet come out. Let's get the facts as best we can before making a judgement call.
Retired Sgt.


Vincent
said

If we went in there to "free the Afgan people", then shouldnt the goal be to also preserve Afgan lives?

This guy was "suspected" Taliban. What exactly does that mean? It probably means Capt Semrau BELIEVED he was Taliban.

If he wasn't Taliban, and was unarmed then Capt Semrau killed an innocent man. What would you say if your unarmed innocent husband or son or father was killed at the hands of an occupying forces hands? I'm pretty sure you would want justice. I know i simply wouldn't "move on" as some other poster commented.

If we're going to go in there to save lives, then our people should be prepared to die to protect innocent Afgans at all costs.

An Afgan live is worth no less then a Canadian life... a lot of people here seem to forget that fact.


grover1
said

As Martin Sheen said in Apocalypse Now: "Charging a soldier with murder here is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500"


brian in sarnia
said

This is a tough one. By the sounds of it, the soldier was just doing his job. I don't believe in the war, but the folks fighting it deserve our support. Fear of legal action over making a "mistake" is a disaster. Soldiers have enough to consider and are far more aware of world events than soldiers past, which is more stressful alone.

On the other hand, there is a public image to consider with the Afghani people. They need to know there lives are deemed worthy of protection, and that we are not just there to "win something". If the soldier comes back and is convicted the Afghanis believe we expect nothing but the best from our soldiers. If the soldier is released once he lands on Canadian soil, the Afghanis could lose more faith in their "protectors". The charge should have never been laid.


Concerned Canadian
said

I can't say I know first hand, as I do not know the accused. I would rather suspect that he would most likely disagree with a lot of the rhetoric on here though. Our soldiers are brave. Our soldiers are asked to do the most difficult job there is with very little in the way of "thank you"'s. Still, our soldiers also represent democracy and the right way of doing things. Mind you, that's a lot to ask of anyone. It is however the standard we, as Canadians, demand. We do this so that we can rest assured that our actions are legitimate and genuine. Our military represents the best of what Canada is supposed to be about and if our soldiers are not held to this high standard, the fight is all for naught. What on earth can we hope to bring the Afgan people if not the ideals of a free and just society? Personally, I rather suspect that this soldier agrees by the standards he is held to and would be proud to stand up for his actions regardless of the outcome. The facts alone will determine if he acted appropriately and Canada's credibility depends on our willingness to examine our actions in these types of circumstances.


Nick
said

Lots of empty comments from people who do not know what actually happened here. If a charge was referred by the CFNIS then in all likelihood there was something significant that happened and there is evidence thereof. It hasn't been released to the public yet, so there's no way to say anything about this really. It could be a myriad of things that have led to this point, and charges are only referred when there's a pretty good chance they will stick for the right reasons. Capt Semrau is entitled to, and will receive, due process of law.


Alex (Toronto)
said

I don't know what information the other posters are using for their comments. I don't know for sure from this article that the victim was an insurgent or in the same area as insurgent soldiers.

I would hope the military investigation service isn't wasting taxpayer's money by bringing up spurious charges without solid evidence. The question here is not whether a soldier made a mistake in battle, but whether he intentionally shot an unarmed civilian. This has nothing to do with collateral damage. If the soldier was doing his job, he should be acquitted. We have the best soldiers in the world, but as we saw in Somalia and elsewhere, there are a few bad apples, and if we don't punish the bad ones, the entire military will lose respect among our allies and, more importantly, adversaries.

I don't understand people who blame the media for reporting what they were told by the government.

Canadian soldiers overseas must set an example, observe the Geneva Conventions, Canadian law, and their lawful orders. We are not going to win a war by brute force, we need the support of the local civilian population, and that won't happen if we shoot them at random. That's basic counterinsurgency practice that some of these so-called supporters of the military don't seem to care about. If we're going to send soldiers into the field, it would be nice if we gave them a chance to win. Blindly "supporting the troops" including the ones who commit serious crimes doesn't help the soldiers as a group. We're supposed to be the good guys.


David in Sudbury
said

Regarless of war, our soldiers are not meant to be executioners. We know nothing of the circumstances behind the charges. For all we know, he may have been in a life and death situation (real or perceived), which should justify his actions or he may have been in a bad mood and decided to shoot him because of who he was, which in any interpretation would be murder.

So many comments here saying they hope he is not convicted, just because he is a soldier. Not all soldiers are good people. Most are, but like anything else, some aren't.

Like most, I hope this was a justified killing, given the circumstances of war. I also hope this isn't a trumped up charge to win sympathy with the Afghan people. But the bottom line is that I hope he gets what he deserves - his freedom and apologies if that's what is warranted, or jail time if it truly was murder.

Saying that killing someone is justified simply because he is Taliban makes you no better than them. In their minds, what they do is justified. They often kill because of our beliefs, because we don't share their philosophies. We condemn them for it, yet many here say it's okay to do it to them. Don't become the same way they are. There won't be much of a world left to fight for if we do.


Helena
said

Last time I checked, death was part of wartime. There are two sides and both of them are doing their best to kill the other side. So why would murder charges come into the picture?

We send soldiers to do this exact same thing, so why is this man going to get charged for murder? What kind of logic are we operating on here?


Sandy
said

OK, that's just sad. Since when is a soldier charged with murder when he kills the enemy?


Ross S.
said

We send them out there to rid the region of Taliban insurgence then we press charges against them if they kill the enemy during battle. Great way to instill confidence in our soldiers!!! BTW, was this militant naked when Capt. Robert Semrau shot him? Because that's about the only way that the Captain could have been sure that he wasn’t going to blow himself up …


Goldens
said

Astonishing! Absolutely ridiculous! Police in Canada have accidently shot teenagers. In the height of battle you expect soldiers not to make a mistake. We are all human and not perfect machines. Soldiers are already suffering from PDS. A soldiers job is to kill or be killed and they should not be held accountable for doing their job. It would be a different matter if the terrorist had been captured and executed.
John Wilson
Bridgetown NS


Nellieswife
said

I would rather have my husband go through a trial, and let the system work, rather than have him come home in a coffin. Bless this soldier and his family, I'm sure they have a rough road ahead.


Joe Face
said

We do not have all of the details of this incident. It should not be open for a Political fight, nor a Media Circus, and as well we were not there to know what exactly happened. So: as there is a war going on which we Should "NOT" be part of ,why not allow the Military to proceed with what they are doing or pass this incident and all the rest of the war on to parliament and bring our troops HOME O.K. All or nothing. A GOOD TIME TO BRING EM ALL HOME.........


Garry in Guelph
said

The person who was killed is identified in the story as "an unarmed male civilian", not a Taliban fighter. The Captain was charged with second degree murder, so it was obviously not an "accident".

Incidents like this make the job that our coldiers are trying to do much more difficult. If we are to be successful, we need the Afghan people to view our people as their allies, not their enemy.


Rob
said

So does this mean the airforce will now be under investigation during bombings that have collateral damage? This is a assinine charge and as a past serving soldier should make young people pause before enlisting in this governments military. Last time I heard we where at war.... If I can be charged for murder during a firefight in a war than good luck getting men to enlist in the future. I say bring them home let them support their own families and get the hell out of all these third world countries fighting wars that are centuries old. Soldiers are employed to kill people no matter what our 21st century sensibilities want us to believe. Good luck to this brave man and his family he should be up for a medal!


Lisa Hutchison
said

What is the matter with us? We send young men to kill and when they do they are charged with murder. Go home boys, let the politicians do their dirty work!!


Walk in his shoes before you judge him
said

Capt. Robert Semrau, my hopes and prayers are for you and your family. Shame on those that judge you for the action taken during what must have been a very stressful and dangerous mission.


CM
said

I agree with most comments but Luella certainly hit it on the nose. Guess we didn't learn enough from Vietnam. There is no way we will ever "win" this war. Bring our guys and girls home. I am tired of hearing about our people being killed in a useless war that will never be settled, any more than the war in Palestine. They have been fighting each other for thousands of years and probably will continue til we humans manage to blow up the earth!


Rambo
said

Capt. Robert Semrau is charged with shooting an unarmed male civilian during an October battle in which Afghan and Canadian soldiers "defended" the capital of Helmand province.

Now obviously I nor nayone else accept the millitary and the Good Captain know exactly what happened. BUT, if I read that correctly, our forces along with the Afghans Were DEFENDING agains an incursion from the enemy in WAR....So he is arrested and charged for murder while defending his comrades and innocent afghans.

Look Many a soldier has said that the enemy isnt in a specific type of uniform, They dress to look like civilians in order to confuse our boys. So one of our own is defending peoples lives and kills someone who he percieves as a hostile enemy and he is treated like this???? Give me a break.
All this is is political maneuvering.

I find it hard to believe that a well decorated Captain in our armed forces went berserk and decided to just shoot now, shoot some more and then when everyones dead ask questions.

Good luck to you Captain. I support you, and so do Most people in this great nation of ours:)



C10
said

Has anyone actually seen the charge report? I have not seen any details behind the charge. We need to remember that all Canadian Soldiers are bound by all Federal law as well as the NDA Act. We (Soldiers)all know this. 2nd degree suggests that the evidence is pointing towards this Capt murdering someone, not killing him. As Soldiers we must follow all rules or there will be chaos. We should not assume just because it is a war that this guy can break the law. I would suggest that the evidence must be pretty strong to get this charge made public. As a law abiding country who up holds international law, we must make sure justice rules. We must also follow the "Rules of Armed Conflict", whether or not our enemy does. Killing an innocent person in the heat of battle is NOT murder and he would not have been charge if that was the facts.

That being said, we must remember, he is innocent until proven guilty, and I pray he did nothing wrong.


YA from Mississauga, ON.
said

So, this may sound harsh, but it is what is required. Our Canadian troops did not go there to kill but to free the Afghan people, to bring in democracy. Some of Afghan people work for Taliban while others do not. Do any of you realize why some choose to work for Taliban? Among other reasons, one is injustice by coalition forces. When you do not show respect for their livelihood and instead kill blindly or worse torture what do you expect in return for an ordinary civilian.

The rules and principle must be kept high and Afghan people must be shown that we have indeed come to bring peace and Taliban are their foes. Once Taliban loose local support they will be like uprooted weed without any roots. This is the only way to succeed and that is what is required.

The Canadian military and along with coalition forces must respect every Afghan and their livelihood. When a crime is committed it must be treated as such and Afghan people must understand that we have high moral and civil values. That it is best for them to join us rather than condemn us.

This is a step in right direction. But it must not stop here.


Eagle42
said

When will the media start taking sides of our soldiers instead of the enemy's side. I would have hated to see you guys sround during the Second World War. To you Hitler would have been a hero.


Dan@Kentville,N.S.
said

Best of wishes for you and your family, Captain Semrau. Thank-you for trying to help the people of Afghanistan and for your services to the mostly thankful people of Canada. I can only hope that you are not sacrificed as a scape-goat to political-correctness. This war is hard enough to fight as it is.


Pete
said

Good luck capt, hopefully you will be cleared from this unfortunate situation and will see you back on duty.


schpid
said

The CF system of justice is investigating. That's what they have to do in cases like this to get ANSWERS. No one who has posted here knows what exactly what happened so why speculate? To say anyone is fair game during combat is totally against what the rules of engagement are. Yes, we know when we sign up that we may be put in harm's way and yes, there are circumstances in which we DO have to simply watch the enemy carry out atrocities right f of us and we CANNOT shoot (Somalia ring a bell?)
The investigation is just a fact finding mission and if charges are warranted they will be raised. Anyone who thinks just because this guy is an officer means he would never make a mistake come on. He's human just like the lowest Private on the ground. As ridiculous as it may be, if a Taleban fighter is shooting at you one minute and throws his weapon down and walks away, his status as a combatant does change.

For MHB: when the enemy purposely uses schools, universities and religious site to store weapons and use as shelter while attacking, those become viable targets under the Laws of Armed conflict.


MHB
said

To all the "blindly support our troops" group: Please allow me to give one good and logical reason why the Canadian military is doing the right thing. If an Afghani civilian is murdered and there are suspecions over his death, it will likely reach the local media. If our military does nothing about it, Taliban and their sympathizers will openly say that Canadians are killing our civilians with impunity. Having this negative propganada against us will likely result in more resentment, hate, and even more suicide bombers againts our troops. It is always better for the Afghani media to say that Canadians are trying one of their own in a fair trial for killing an Afghani civillian than to say that Canadians are ignoring the violations of their troops. I hope that we can start to look beyond our own feet!. I really wish that this soldier will not be found guilty in a fair and transparent trial!.


Matt
said

Apparently someone thinks there is sufficient evidence that he might have committed a crime.

As long as the investigation and trial are fair I don't really see a large problem.

The question quite simply is was his response was in accordance with the ROE.

The intent is to ensure our forces are conducting themselves appropriately. We must ensure our ROE are robust enough to allow our soldiers to defend themselves and do their job. However we can not and must not give them blanket permission to kill anyone they feel like.


double standard
said

Interesting.. in a war, a charge of murder is laid, but how many unarmed citizens have the police killed (firearm or tazer) and there are no charges.... ie: YVR??? Not saying any is justified, byt seems like the police here are out of control and those who really risk their lives suffer. I hope the Capt. uses the same excuse the police use (I feared for my life) and is cleared


Mac in ottawa
said

this is correctness gone too far - I support the troops -I support the Mission -I support the reasons why were are there - but am getting fed up - until you deal with Pakistan and get their support to actually do something support the Taliban and Al Queada will not be beaten. This is not to say that I/we condone abusing the rules etc..
In the meantime, however - stand up and yell at your opponent - are you friend or foe... as you duck bullets ! then shoot if he is foe ! (hello?!) the same guys that will shake your hand one day will slice it off the next !
To the powers at be in the military and Parliament - whooooa - standback and put yourself in this soldier's shoes...



Dave Aldred
said

A point to think about, did the soldier who fired upon the car that killed the children a while back get charged? NO, because the vehicle did not heed warnings to stop. If this guy was truely an unarmed civilian, he should have been hiding to avoid being shot at.


Michael Shannon
said

There is nothing in this article about the shooting being done in the heat of a fire fight. Since CF members regularly shoot innocent Afghans suspected of being suicide bombers (another four yesterday) I would hope that this incident is beyond a "mistake" in the heat of battle, but the chances of a competent investigation and prosecution from the CF are very low so we may never know what happened.


RF from Ottawa
said

Capt. Robert Semrau, I know this is beyond distressing for you and your family, but please know the majority of the Canadian people support you and are in your corner, that is evident from the comments here. You hold your head high.


Elvis
said

I second this! Usual Governement trying to be soft so they look good, no wonder we have problems.
Give him a medal. He was "in a prolonged firefight" and killed a suspected fighter that turned out to be unarmed? Good grief. Political correctness does not belong in a warzone.





John
said

This charge is BS. This is WAR. People do get caught in the crossfire. Hell, down there, the enemy can be dressed as civillians..


Anne M
said

Bernse, you are right, political correctness does NOT belong in a war zone, neither does the media. This is ridiculous, the taliban can kill all of our troops they want, but when we kill JUST ONE of them, we get charged. Do we have to show the Afghans what dickless wonders we are???


Patriot
said

With all due respect, for all you bleeding hearts out there, we did not get our freedom in Canada by being nice. Our freedom is due largely to the men and women who serve our military services and...yes...to our superpower neighbor to the south. Our forces do battle on the battlefield, not hiding among civilians in populated areas. If the rules have changed, then we have to change as well.


Gabriel in Ottawa
said

I hope this soldier is found not guilty. Best wishes to him and his family.


luella gilchrist
said

Murder? I thought this was a war...if not, why did it happin in battle? In war guys have guns and shoot each other. A battle is when a bunch of guys are shooting each other before they get shot themselves. I am so fed up, bring our guys back. This war isn't worth any more Canadian troop's life or mental stability.


Judy
said

no Canadian soldier should be prosecuted for killing any insurgent whom he thinks is a possible threat...how many of our soldiers have already died because they incountered blasts set by these insurgents....give the guy a break, he did us all a favor and lived to tell about it...don't persecute our soldiers for doing a job they were sent to do


Debbie
said

Not that my point of view matters I will throw in my two cents. Having my husbnad and other familiy members in the military and having gone overseas and been killed, I can say that if one afhgan civilian got killed that they can count there losses and move on. These are people who hide the taliban and sit in capm with you whil someone gets an axe in the head, they are people who rape their children and think its okay. Why charge a canadian solider for doing his job. If they are going to start getting chraged for shotting someone they think is at risk to them, then noone is going to do their job and we are going to have more dead canadians on our hands. Drop the charges and let them do their job.



James, Melville
said

From all the comments, it seems this soldier has already been tried and convicted.
If he did something wrong, then the investigation will discover that.
Let the system do its work!


MHB
said

Some of the comments here reveal that people think it is OK to do anything as long as you are in a war!. This is not true according to all international conventions. Of course, we could do as the Israelis are doing: bomb schools, bomb universities, bomb places of worship, and kill civillians in masses to win. But this is not a war of a civlized nation but rather war crimes according to international law. Canada is far more civilized than this and we should hold our military to a high moral standard!. This is the true way to win this war and to avoid tarnishing Canada's name!.


Bob
said

This is just another prime example of why we should never have gone there in the first place. Ridiculous. I served for 22 years in our CF Navy and think that being in this conflict is just plain stupid.


Mike B
said

So your in a prolonged firefight.
Your being shot at.
You shoot back and kill what might have been an unarmed civilian who just happens to be in the same area as the enemy that has been shooting at you for days and you get charged with his murder.
Doesnt seem right to me.
I would like to see anyone that is put in this position react any differently.
You have a split second to make the decision as to whether you are going to shoot or not.
You hesitate and you or one of your brothers in arms dies.
Set him free.
He did the right thing under severe circumstances.
Mike B
Seaforth Ontario


Ping
said

I can't believe the plethora of ill advised comments from people when none of knows the facts. And they'll emerge during the trial. The soldier is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, let it rest until then, shall we! Like my mammy taught me "The only thing worse than an opinion is an ignorant opinion"


Daniel in Van
said

Well then instead of engaging in combat why don't we just sit on our hands and let them shoot at us? Then we won't have to worry about MURDER charges! Good God look at the big picture. How long did he have to identify the target in the middle of a firefight, and had he chosen not to fire, what if the man had been armed. Think about it people.


DJ
said

Absolutely ridiculous. During a battle things can become quite confusing. Soldiers don't have the luxury of asking questions first and shooting later. To charge this soldier is a slap in the face to all soldiers who are and were sent to Afghanistan to fight by our government. Civilians can be "innocent" one day and have a bomb strapped on their backs the next. No one has the right to judge this soldier's actions.


Richard
said

In the heat of combat when bullets are flying all around and you are fighting for your life and people wearing the same outfit as the enemy running around you can't be too choosey.

In war, stuff happens like this. It is unfortunate.

In fact if we really do want to win this war I think a lot more civilians are going to die. The taliban hide with them and use them as shields. How can one not expect this to happen and continue to do so?

If this was a war fought 60 or 80 years ago I think it would have been over already as they would have been all wiped out. These days it is all "politically correct".


A Soldier's Point of View
said

As members of the Military, we are held to the highest standards of conduct. Capt Semrau's conduct will be investigated, if – and I emphasise IF - he deviated from the Rules of Engagement he will be found guilty. Professional militaries work this way for a reason. We have no credibility if we act like a pack of mercenaries. Killing unarmed personnel, even if they are members of the Taliban, is not the Canadian way.


Joseph.
said

This is was and civilians will end up dead. This soldier killed a man during battle who appeared to have been a Taliban insurgent. I probably would have done the same thing. In times of war, it's kill or be killed. I think this charge should be dropped.


B. Kelley, Ontario
said

Like any other Canadian this soldier is entitled to a fair trial to determine whether or not he is guilty of a crime. The simple-minded opinions being expressed on both sides of this issue are ridiculous. Canada must demonstrate that our standards of justice and rule of law are far superior to that of the Taliban so advocating that we should just wantonly shoot all of them is falling to their level of morality (or lack of it). On the other hand, those radicals who try to expand the alleged actions of one individual to cast dispersion on the entire Canadian military are simply grasping at straws to support their equally warped ideologies. The truth is that our fine military is doing exactly what it should do in the way it should be done. Yes, we will lose some good people and some will make mistakes but lets not try to use either soldier's deaths or some isolated incidents to blind us to the bigger picture where a country has been liberated from tyrannical rule and a very large hole has been blown in the terrorists' ability to attack us at home. A happy a-political New Year to all.


dc in bc
said

Dixie from Alberta is right. Its not only ridiculous, its absolutely ridiculous.

If I was a young guy thinking possibly of joining the military and going to Afghanistan this story would end any such thoughts.

What are we over there for anyway, if it isn't to kill the Taliban?


B fm Ottawa
said

Charging our own soldiers with murder of suspected Taliban = ridiculous. Obviously if a Capt is involved with a shooting are probably valid. The rules of engagement are followed to a tee. So saying that ist about time we charged one of own is insulting. When thosetroops over there have more courage than we could ever hope for. THEY ARE DOING GOOD OVER THERE


GUTshot!
said

How can you win a war with your own military tying both of a soldier's hands behind their back?

If a soldier cant kill the enemy without fearing a criminal conviction, just how well do you expect the war to go in the big picture?

Either fight to win, or dont fight at all.


Helen from BC
said

In one word Dixie from Alberta got it right.


B fm Ottawa
said

Thanks for that ridiculous comment Suzy. First off, its a combat zone which requires you to defend your life and those lives' around you. Persecuting and prosecuting a soldier who's over there doing a job that takes more bravery than we can dream of is insulting. Secondly, there are rules of engagement that are followed strictly, so if a Captain is involved with a shooting there is probably a good reason for it.


DEF London
said

Bull#### charge, our overly legalized and litigious society at work in the sphere of modern warfare. What an absolutely bizarre concept to apply in war 'second degree murder'. My grandfather shot at and may have killed German troops who were running in the opposite direction-he was and will always be a hero-today he would be charged with murder. How detached from reality we have become.


KB
said

Great. So now soldiers like my husband currently deployed in Afghanistan now get to fight for our country, worry about their own lives everyday and now need to be concerned that they may be charged with murder if they kill someone they deem to be a possible threat. The Taliban don't wear a uniform people!!! Perhaps being the main reason this enemy is the most difficult to fight. Give me a break. Our thoughts are with the families of soldiers who have been killed by these idiots, and that of Capt. Semrau.


Beancounter
said

Key words - during battle! The soldier was in battle when he saw the Taliban - is the Canadian soldier supposed to wait until he is shot at first? Did the guy identify himself as unarmed?

Our soldiers are stuck in these dejected countries fighting a battle to provide a safer North America, and when this happens we prosecute?

Too bad it didn’t happen on Canadian soil, at least he would probably getter a lighter sentence and parole within a year (but we only treat the true criminals that well). I Feel for this soldier, he went to war for Canada and now faces "further" imprisonment.



J.C.
said

To those of you who are angry remember he is only charged with this crime, he is not found guilty at this time. He may well be proved innocent as he may have believed the man was armed or had a hidden weapon. Whatever the outcome, it is necessary that our soldier's are held to account for proven wrong doings even in war. Hopefully he will be proven to be innocent of the charges.


bernse
said

Give him a medal. He was "in a prolonged firefight" and killed a suspected fighter that turned out to be unarmed? Good grief. Political correctness does not belong in a warzone.


CF member
said

Wow, so we get killed over there by any means nessesary by them and we do something that we believe is right in the time of action which most Civies dont have to do, we have one second to shoot , could be kill or be killed but you have 20 yrs to decide if it is right? rediculous! drop these charges!


Kevin
said

Sometimes that is a reality of war. I've seen Taliban captured one day and back in the field days later. How many Coalition and Afghan lives did that Soldier save? And how much time did he have to make that choice?


Bernard
said

Before this discussion spins off into a mind numbing chorus of 'Support the Troops', let's keep in mind the fact that this officer is being charged by the Military Police. they clearly know the rules separating a combat death, and murder. In the recent past, these same police investigators have cleared our soldiers in the wrongful shooting death of innocent Afghan children. So I would suggest that this particular case must have been pretty extreme.


Will
said

I served for 13 years in our military. While I had no brushes with military law.......it was widely believed military was, at best, a joke.


Dixie from Alberta
said

Ridiculous.


MHB
said

Good for the Canadian military!. This war will not be won unless we convince the locals that we are there to protect them and that their lives are not cheap!. I hope that this new year will bring an end to all of this and that our soldiers will be returned home safely!. Happy new year to everyone!.


There are Two Sets of Rules
said

One set of Rules/Laws for Recognized Military
and No Rules/Laws for the Insurgents as they do not recognize the Rules of War or the Geneva Conventions
However the Insurgents can kill dozens of unarmed, defenseless, helpless people and get away with their cowardly methods of operation by hiding behind a child of convenience after dropping their arms to create the appearance of innocence.


Kay from Richmond Hill, ON
said

NOTHING should happen to this Canadian soldier as long as it is clear the man killed was indeed a Taliban fighter. If so, that Taliban fighter deserved to die like that. Just think about all the damage Taliban has caused to the world. This incidence is nothing in comparison.



Suzy
said

Finally, the law is being used to properly persecute people who have been accused of wrong doing... funny how we can't usually figure out how to arrest people charged with murder, and instead go to war with them!
Maybe if all soldiers (on all sides) were taken into custody, we wouldn't have wars to fight.


Wondering
said

So an individual soldier can be charged with murder when he accidently kills someone he thinks in the enemy, but when allied forces kill innocent bystanders with massive artillery, then no one is charged? Ok, so where is exactly is the 'collateral damage' line drawn anyway?


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