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Date: Saturday Dec. 12, 2009 11:30 AM ET

LONDON — E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data -- but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.

The 1,073 e-mails examined by the AP show that scientists harboured private doubts, however slight and fleeting, even as they told the world they were certain about climate change. However, the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

The scientists were keenly aware of how their work would be viewed and used, and, just like politicians, went to great pains to shape their message. Sometimes, they sounded more like schoolyard taunts than scientific tenets.

The scientists were so convinced by their own science and so driven by a cause "that unless you're with them, you're against them," said Mark Frankel, director of scientific freedom, responsibility and law at the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He also reviewed the communications.

Frankel saw "no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data, although concerns could be raised about some instances of very 'generous interpretations.'"

Some e-mails expressed doubts about the quality of individual temperature records or why models and data didn't quite match. Part of this is the normal give-and-take of research, but skeptics challenged how reliable certain data was.

The e-mails were stolen from the computer network server of the climate research unit at the University of East Anglia in southeast England, an influential source of climate science, and were posted online last month. The university shut down the server and contacted the police.

The AP studied all the e-mails for context, with five reporters reading and rereading them -- about 1 million words in total.

One of the most disturbing elements suggests an effort to avoid sharing scientific data with critics skeptical of global warming. It is not clear if any data was destroyed; two U.S. researchers denied it.

The e-mails show that several mainstream scientists repeatedly suggested keeping their research materials away from opponents who sought it under American and British public records law. It raises a science ethics question because free access to data is important so others can repeat experiments as part of the scientific method. The University of East Anglia is investigating the blocking of information requests.

"I believe none of us should submit to these 'requests,'" declared the university's Keith Briffa. The center's chief, Phil Jones, wrote: "Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them."

When one skeptic kept filing FOI requests, Jones, who didn't return AP requests for comment, told another scientist, Michael Mann: "You can delete this attachment if you want. Keep this quiet also, but this is the person who is putting FOI requests for all e-mails Keith (Briffa) and Tim (Osborn) have written."

Mann, a researcher at Penn State University, told The Associated Press: "I didn't delete any e-mails as Phil asked me to. I don't believe anybody else did."

The e-mails also show how professional attacks turned very personal. When former London financial trader Douglas J. Keenan combed through the data used in a 1990 research paper Jones had co-authored, Keenan claimed to have found evidence of fakery by Jones' co-author. Keenan threatened to have the FBI arrest University at Albany scientist Wei-Chyung Wang for fraud. (A university investigation later cleared him of any wrongdoing.)

"I do now wish I'd never sent them the data after their FOIA request!" Jones wrote in June 2007.

In another case after initially balking on releasing data to a skeptic because it was already public, Lawrence Livermore National Lab scientist Ben Santer wrote that he then opted to release everything the skeptic wanted -- and more. Santer said in a telephone interview that he and others are inundated by frivolous requests from skeptics that are designed to "tie-up government-funded scientists."

The e-mails also showed a stunning disdain for global warming skeptics.

One scientist practically celebrates the news of the death of one critic, saying, "In an odd way this is cheering news!" Another bemoans that the only way to deal with skeptics is "continuing to publish quality work in quality journals (or calling in a Mafia hit.)" And a third scientist said the next time he sees a certain skeptic at a scientific meeting, "I'll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted."

And they compared contrarians to communist-baiting Sen. Joseph McCarthy and Somali pirates. They also called them out-and-out frauds.

Santer, who received death threats after his work on climate change in 1996, said Thursday: "I'm not surprised that things are said in the heat of the moment between professional colleagues. These things are taken out of context."

When the journal, Climate Research, published a skeptical study, Penn State scientist Mann discussed retribution this way: "Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal."

That skeptical study turned out to be partly funded by the American Petroleum Institute.

The most provocative e-mails are usually about one aspect of climate science: research from a decade ago that studied how warm or cold it was centuries ago through analysis of tree rings, ice cores and glacial melt. And most of those e-mails, which stretch from 1996 to last month, are from about a handful of scientists in dozens of e-mails.

Still, such research has been a key element in measuring climate change over long periods.

As part of the AP review, summaries of the e-mails that raised issues from the potential manipulation of data to intensely personal attacks were sent to seven experts in research ethics, climate science and science policy.

"This is normal science politics, but on the extreme end, though still within bounds," said Dan Sarewitz, a science policy professor at Arizona State University. "We talk about science as this pure ideal and the scientific method as if it is something out of a cookbook, but research is a social and human activity full of all the failings of society and humans, and this reality gets totally magnified by the high political stakes here."

In the past three weeks since the e-mails were posted, longtime opponents of mainstream climate science have repeatedly quoted excerpts of about a dozen e-mails. Republican congressmen and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin have called for either independent investigations, a delay in U.S. Environmental Protection Agency regulation of greenhouse gases or outright boycotts of the Copenhagen international climate talks. They cited a "culture of corruption" that the e-mails appeared to show.

That is not what the AP found. There were signs of trying to present the data as convincingly as possible.

One e-mail that skeptics have been citing often since the messages were posted online is from Jones. He says: "I've just completed Mike's (Mann) trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (from 1981 onward) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Jones was referring to tree ring data that indicated temperatures after the 1950s weren't as warm as scientists had determined.

The "trick" that Jones said he was borrowing from Mann was to add the real temperatures, not what the tree rings showed. And the decline he talked of hiding was not in real temperatures, but in the tree ring data which was misleading, Mann explained.

Sometimes the data didn't line up as perfectly as scientists wanted.

David Rind told colleagues about inconsistent figures in the work for a giant international report: "As this continuing exchange has clarified, what's in Chapter 6 is inconsistent with what is in Chapter 2 (and Chapter 9 is caught in the middle!). Worse yet, we've managed to make global warming go away! (Maybe it really is that easy...:)."

But in the end, global warming didn't go away, according to the vast body of research over the years.

None of the e-mails flagged by the AP and sent to three climate scientists viewed as moderates in the field changed their view that global warming is man-made and a threat. Nor did it alter their support of the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which some of the scientists helped write.

"My overall interpretation of the scientific basis for (man-made) global warming is unaltered by the contents of these e-mails," said Gabriel Vecchi, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientist.

Gerald North, a climate scientist at Texas A&M University, headed a National Academy of Sciences study that looked at -- and upheld as valid -- Mann's earlier studies that found the 1990s were the hottest years in centuries.

"In my opinion the meaning is much more innocent than might be perceived by others taken out of context. Much of this is overblown," North said.

Mann contends he always has been upfront about uncertainties, pointing to the title of his 1999 study: "Northern Hemisphere Temperatures During the Past Millennium: Inferences, Uncertainties and Limitations."

Several scientists found themselves tailoring their figures or retooling their arguments to answer online arguments -- even as they claimed not to care what was being posted to the Internet.

"I don't read the blogs that regularly," Jonathan Overpeck of the University of Arizona wrote in 2005. "But I guess the skeptics are making hay of their (sic) being a global warm (sic) event around 1450AD."

One person singled out for criticism in the e-mails is Steve McIntyre, who maintains Climate Audit. The blog focuses on statistical issues with scientists' attempts to recreate the climate in ancient times.

"We find that the authors are overreaching in the conclusions that they're trying to draw from the data that they have," McIntyre said in a telephone interview.

McIntyre, 62, of Toronto, was trained in math and economics and says he is "substantially retired" from the mineral exploration industry, which produces greenhouse gases.

Some e-mails said McIntyre's attempts to get original data from scientists are frivolous and meant more for harassment than doing good science. There are allegations that he would distort and misuse data given to him.

McIntyre disagreed with how he is portrayed. "Everything that I've done in this, I've done in good faith," he said.

He also said he has avoided editorializing on the leaked e-mails. "Anything I say," he said, "is liable to be piling on."

The skeptics started the name-calling said Mann, who called McIntyre a "bozo," a "fraud" and a "moron" in various e-mails.

"We're human," Mann said. "We've been under attack unfairly by these people who have been attempting to dismiss us as frauds as liars.

The AP is mentioned several times in the e-mails, usually in reference to a published story. One scientist says his remarks were reported with "a bit of journalistic license" and "I would have rephrased or re-expressed some of what was written if I had seen it before it was released." The archive also includes a request from an AP reporter, one of the writers of this story, for reaction to a study, a standard step for journalists seeking quotes for their stories.

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sab
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Climate change is something we can't control. Global warming due to co2 is something not yet proven.


Ryan P.
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It's amusing to watch the overwhelming thumbs down selections on weekends...it seems that the Left works overtime on Saturday and Sunday. I sure hope they turn their computers off when not in use....gotta save our planet.


Observer
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Kudos to Prof. Pye Chartt for hitting the nail on the head. Without this grand theory, the majority of these "genius/geeks" would be relegated to some stuffy lab, churning out seldom read tidbits of info which might be interesting to know (simply for the sake of consumption), but little more than that. Now with their new-found claim to fame, these former outcasts are on the verge of rock-star status in the eyes of the unwashed masses who blindly heed their words. How else could someone who received his PhD for his study of fruitflies (for those who don't know, thats how "Doctor" David Suzuki received his title...yes fruitflies), or those of his ilk, have their names, faces and opinions plastered in every news source on earth?...Could this be the ultimate "Revenge of the Nerds"?


Greg in the Hammer
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The problem for the CRU, NASA, The Gore and Suzuki camps is that the work is flawed, exclusive, relies on unreliable modelling instead of observational data, discounts powerful evidence of the influence of the sun and is hobbled by the politicization of this issue. Mann's hockey stick... debunked, Yamal.... debunked, poor statistical and data control revealed. Some of the most respected minds in mathematics, physics, climate science have all condemned this science and the methodology it uses. It is a sham at worst, and an unproven hypothesis supported by suspect research at best.


Sober, Newmarket
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The earth always had weather cycles - even long before we had cars and factories. Everybody knows it. Nothing is ever constant. We are witnessing the change of a cycle now. This seems like another flight of imagination of guilt-ridden liberal thinkers. The next big thing will be how to deal with all the job losses caused by the steps now taken to solve the earth's troubles.


JRVictoria
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This article is just one more attempt by the media to whitewash what should have been a front page scandal from the get-go, a scandal they spent weeks suppressing, downplaying or ignoring completely. The bias is obvious. A couple of examples:"McIntyre, 62, of Toronto, was trained in math and economics and says he is "substantially retired" from the mineral exploration industry, which produces greenhouse gases." While that’s a mostly true statement, mineral exploration produces negligible greenhouse gas! Less than most every other industry on the planet. Anyway, What was the point of that inane observation if not to imply that McIntyre is in league with evil CO2 polluters."The skeptics started the name-calling said Mann, who called McIntyre a "bozo," a "fraud" and a "moron" in various e-mails."AP gives the likes of Mann entirely too much credibility in this exercise. Mann is a bad actor, a disreputable "scientist". He put up every possible roadblock attempting to avoid having McIntyre and McKittrick audit his work. And if anyone other than Mann "started the name-calling" it certainly wasn't McIntyre, a true gentleman who runs an open, disciplined, professional "Climate Audit" blog.


Jim McB
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forgive me, but I don't trust journalists to make scientific judgements on complex problems. The headline makes them look like authorities and they are not.Other scientist challenge the data and that is the discussion we need, both sides laying their none aligned information on the table for oen scrutiny. If that is done I will trust the results.A great article nevertheless!


stick to the facts , ma'am
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Their tree ring data can't be totally trusted to explain temperature . It can be nice and warm , but if that tree isn't getting enough moisture , just like any other plant , it ain't growing . It's more likely it'll die , like grain , grass , or what ever plant you'd care to try growing . So if they say they can tell the temp. soley by tree rings , once again , they're feeding it to you .


reece
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"Why do global warming side only present data back to only 150 years ago or so? " - - good question. Maybe because there wasn't any ice on antarctica 500 years ago? You can't do a carbon dating extraction from a land that is bare of ice can you? Antarctica didn't have any ice, and now I'm wondering if the north pole had any either. Piri Reis map was discovered by the America military and the only carbon dating that is worth anything here appears to come from that very map itself. It is genuine. Todays scientists don't want to discuss it because it's completely proves their data wrong. It exposes how their entire process and vetting process allowed for publications that supported their own biased beliefs. This map is not discussed but only sits as a white elephant in their room. Everybody pretends its not there but at least that smug look on these scientists face are no longer present. So they continue to collect their paycheques and pretend they are doing noble work. They are no more useful than the crack dealer on my street corner...at least that dude admits he's a piece of trash. Honours go to him.


Inquisitive
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I really don't know who to believe nor do I have time to research every issue exhaustively! That said, I do think that it is somewhat questionable when a conclusion is made, judiciously, about whether fraud has been committed by presenting the emails in question to a panel of scientists rather than those who's profession it is to weigh and process things of a judicial matter. I am not saying Scientists don't do some of that but I think it better handled by a judge rather than a scientist, no?Also, do people really buy into all the accusations by each side that the other is motivated by money? Isn't this really an ad hominem argument? I can't discredit the argument so I discredit the individual. Final questions. When they speak of actual temperatures verses tree ring data is the actual temperature their temperature that they manufactured themselves? If so, wouldn't that mean they need submit their actual temperature to the data and not vice versa?


PM
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They forgot to mention that the scientists in question make their living exclusively off of this one theory, so if it was abandoned, their reputation would be shot, and they'd be unemployed."belief in their research" isn't the only motivating factor, or (I dare say) the main one.


Kman
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Okay, my last comment was not meant as a personal or professional attack. I only want people to start thinking for themselves and not be led down the garden path. Even the men who publish these papers say the evidence is NOT conclusive, it merely suggests "global warming". This is an issue that has far more to do with greed, corruption and politics (i know ... redundant) than the environment.If they were to say the cause of global warming was simply there are too many people on the planet, then what? do we start killing people to save the whales? To what end are we willing to go to counter act something no one is really sure is happening? What if the masses are wrong and they cause an ice age that wipes out everything? Like I said, take nothing for granted and think for yourself. The data is obviously flawed, otherwise there would be no issue in releasing it.


Average Joe
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Why do global warming side only present data back to only 150 years ago or so? and say that this current warming and CO2 is unprecented? Earth has been around longer that. From fossils evidence, in the distant past there were jungles and swamp as far north as the arctic (now that was unprecented!!!). There was no castrophe or end of earth, life flourished until the ice age came and wiped out most species. As a person who work in a greenhouse, CO2 concentration in a typical greenhouse is well over 1000ppm (compared to 380ppm in the atmosphere) and is ARTIFICALLY added to increase plant growths (CO2 is a natural fertilizer for plants and in return they give off oxygen.). From what I have seen, there are more living species that flourished when CO2 is present because there are more plants as the source of foods. And all species flourished when there is warmth and more CO2, and mother earth has been warmer in the past and its concentration of CO2 was much higher than it is now and life has greatly benefited. This debate on how to avert global warming is silly. CO2 is what we needs more of not less, however, pollution is not (i.e. sulfur) which is toxic to life. My advice to people, if you wants to know what the future will be like (forget the computer models) study the past, and earth has a rich and diverse past.


Max
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When you can't question science...it's just religion


reece
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Not faked....though it is very interesting that we have maps of an ice free antarctica 400 years ago. Hmmm.....very bloody interesting indeed. Not faked? Yeah, I'll believe you when you could explain the map.


Sam Winsor
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So now AP openly joins the fraud.


Portes
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Greenpeace has alerted it's members to make sure that there are all thumbs down in this blog. They would like everyone to think that Canadians back them,when we don't. Greenpeace is an organisation that needs to wake up and smell the coffee. They were once a group that could be trusted, but now they are so political that they only do things that they think will upset Governments. Greenpeace should be banned from all countries of the world, as they do nothing to help only to hinder. I call them traitors and groups that only want to cause trouble,the Japanese will deal with them


Lord Andrew Barham
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One can hardly blame the scientists for making disparaging remarks about the climate skeptics who constantly harass them and nitpick their data for small (but normal) inconsistencies by which they then attempt to refute the scientist's claims, completely and conveniently ignoring the mass of data which supports their (the scientists) conclusions. One expects that one's emails will be private correspondence, and should therefore feel free to express one's exasperation with the climate denying bozos, almost none of whom actually have any real scientific training or background.j Mathematics, though it underpins science, as it underpins virtually everything we do these days, is not Science. Scientific theory is only ever relatively true: It is true so long as it cannot be shown to be false. Mathematical theory, on the other hand, is absolutely true: within a given set of parameters, a mathematical theorem must be shown to be true for every case to be accepted as valid. We cannot prove things to be true in Science; we can only show that they are not false. As a result, there is always a degree fo uncertainty in anything scientific. People who are either ignorant of Scientific methods of enquiry, or who choose to deliberately find fault with scientific thinking, like to use normal scientific uncertainty to bolster their arguments. By doing so, they are deliberately misleading people. Economists, psychologists, political and social scientist are not true scientists, since they do not follow the scientific method of enquiry.


Bill in BC
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I sincerely doubt that CTV has any moral courage but just in case..... I finally remembered where the whole global warming thing comes from. It originates with a classic science fiction book by Larry Niven, printed in the early 1970s, called "Ringworld". Only mentioned in passing, global warming was a result of severe overpopulation amoung a race a intelligent herbevors called "puppeteers". They solved the problem by moving their planets away from their sun to reduce solar radiation. (Thanks Larry! I loved the book but someone took it too seriously.) So, AGW proponents.....do you want to use that solution too, after all you stole his literary work why not steal that part too. I also think that Larry Niven should be suing you all for copyright infringement.


Kman
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Let us start at the begining. One set of data (indicators like tree rings) does not match another (actual temperature), yet you use the first set to model what historical temperatures were? How does that even make sense? "Well clearly this data was wrong for the last 50 years but it should accurately predict what the temperature was like 1000 years ago. By the way chaps, let's selectively skip an entire period because we believe this data will be damaging to the conclusion we want to arrive at!"

If these "scientists" are all above board then why are they trying so hard to not have to release data? I mean if their findings are legit, then why not publish all of the data and let others review and repeat .... that is the way it is supposed to be done isn't it?

Or maybe we are all being taken for a ride because someone who knows much better than us is telling us something is right? Wait .... didn't scientists say Thalidamide was good for pregnant women and we could read the bumps on a persons head to tell whether they were predisposed to a life of crime? Ask questions, do not settle for the hysterical status quo.


Steph
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I went on "The friends of Science" Site. All I saw was that they agree that the earth is warming. The only part that one would argue is CO2 a large enough contributor to increase the speed of Global warming. The graph they show stops 100,000 years ago, so what use is that?


Curtis
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"exhaustive review".... Reporters....Deemed the evidence supports global warming.Isn't that really a bit of a stretch?


Adam, Montreal
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In any email i send from my university email i use caution and assume not just the intended target will read my letter, That aside University email servers are notorius for being hacked or being targets of scam emails. As far as i am concerned these professors/ researchers should have used a bit more professionalism in their correspondances.


Michelle frreezing in Northern Alberta
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I'm in Northern Alberta, it is currently -35.. and it's supposed to get to -38.. last night we had a wind chill of -44...Coldest I've experienced living up here is -52. At this point I wished we had global warming. Last winter was terrible, the temp for approx a month stayed between -30 and -40, which is unusual. I don't believe global warming is true, especially living here.


Don -Edmonton
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Interesting how all of these scientists claim that the evidence is clear yet many do not subject their theories to the test of the scientific process. Once a theory is postulated it is tried to be proven false by all efforts - if it cannot be proven false it then must be the only explanation and becomes a law of science. I have a background in microbiology and biochemistry and yet to see anything that difinitivly proves a global warming theory - climate change has been happening for billions of years and we are just a tiny speck in the process. Let's all stop believing what is forced fed to us and investigate for ourselves what the truth is - common sense just doesn't seem that common any more!


Andrew
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For years I have heard the left and the environmentalist claim that Big Oil was trying to cover up climate change. Environmentalists would lay claim to corruption if any data countered their cause. They labelled people who questioned the scientists as "deniers". Climategate reminds me of the idome, that when you point your finger you have four fingers pointing back at you. It was the environmentalists faking data. It was the environmentalists who were covering up. The reason they were so suspicious of others, is because they knew the dirty tricks available.


GaryinWpg
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From what I have read since "Climategate" appeared, it was more than just e-mails that were hacked, some 65 megs of data was hacked as well.I cannot fathom how a few people on this globe out of some 6 billion believe that they know what is good for us. What is their point? Control? To lay claim that they control the world? To what end? Then what, once they are bored with that? Start culling the population for something to do? To create a world order according to their vision and ideals? What do these climate alarmists want? They say the science is settled, I would rather say the insanity has settled in.


mahanna ali
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what i see are a bunch of "impoverished nations" or, at least, their governments holding their greedy little hands out for money from the well to do nations-this is nothing more than global welfare and you can rest assure that they will not put it towards the people....question-how is money supposed to stop the sea from rising or the rain from falling etc.....climate change is happening but treaties and agreements will have no affect-this is a solar cycle,albiet warming or cooling.another question-why does al gore refuse to debate lord monckton on the subject?...mr gore appears to have lots of facts about his side of the story(at least thats what he is telling us)...please get this debate happening-and have it televised...lastly,us canadians are fortunate enough to have a pm who will not be suckered in to signing foolish accords-especially if the accord doesn't include china and india-two rising economic superpowers-one cannot have their cake and eat it too!!


JMB
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lol Clearly someone is very determined to sway public opinion in favor of global warming. It's pretty evident that someone is (perhaps using a program) thumbing-down all comments that show distrust toward this report. Hit refresh over and over and you will see all the thumbs-down increase on each refresh. When the truth doesn't support your position, redefine "truth".


Prof. Pye Chartt
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My only take on this carries a sense of humor… These emails simply reflect what we already know: that most scientists are nerds; the separate group of geeks who sat in the far corner of the lunchroom; the folks you conned into sharing Chemistry notes; the ones that would slide over in their seat, during a test or exam, so you could cheat, because you promised to invite them to the “Cool People’s” party on Saturday. You knew they were bound for graduate or post-graduate science studies in university, and that their natural destination was left-wing academia, and a worn chair in a lab somewhere. Now, these same cerebral misfits are merely conspiring to protect their turf, their sanctum. They resent the “Cool People” and the “Popular People” (many with greater socioeconomic standing) sticking their nose into their stuff. It bugs them. I don’t think we’re witnessing a reflection of scientific fraud as much as we’re witnessing adult nerds dealing with a stubborn and obstinate public that insists on ignoring or disputing their findings, usually without suitable credibility. They don’t understand that they can’t expect the public to buy into their “argument” if they don’t properly present all their findings (warts and all) for public consumption.


PV
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Read the emails for yourself, people. Don't rely on a biased report on a select few emails.


Nasa Astronaunt
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Turns out NASA had bogus information too so 1936 is still the warmest year on record. NASA covered in up by providing the tempatures with a weird sytem and then coverted the data and got caught in a MISTAKE in the conversion. Houstan we have a problem.


Bee
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I'll trust the interpretation of the well respected climatologists over AP any day and they say the data was fudged to "hide a decline in temperatures". Additionally, as a programmer having reviewed the source code that was released, no one can tell me THAT wasn't fixed to produce a modified and untrue result.


annie
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I'm sorry, the damage has been done.Anyone/country relying on this information now would be a disgrace.In Canada, we don't rely on US strudies for anything, we do our own. So why would we rely on proven tainted studies on global warming from Europe?With billions at stake and a devistating effect on our economy and lifestyle, we sure as hell should do our own studies before buying into anything global warming related.Some say we need to be leaders in this field, so let's be no matter what the outcome.Some say we are losing respect, well, there is no more of an international joke than countries that still cling to these studies.So, yes, let's be a leader and gain respect by being the guiding force in putting an end to this fiasco.


laurie
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to what lengths will leftists go to hide the lies behind global warming hoax? Lord Christopher Monckton will make sure that these scientists involved will be prosecuted. It is only a matter of time before the house of cards on global warming comes crashing down.


Ryan P.
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Climate Change is a farce....We as a world should conserve more non-renewable resources, but the warming of the world is natural....remember when most of Canada was covered in ice and the dinosaurs roamed around like deer? Oh right, things change.....


Michael
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I suggest you have a look at "Friends of Science" if you want to learn the truth from REAL climate scientists who have done their homework not this gang of fraudsters from the politically driven agenda of the United Nations. I think most people who are even casually interested in learning the truth know that the public has been sold a bill of goods so far from the scientists who link themselves to the UN. There isn't much of any truth on any subject that emanates out of the Muslim controlled UN for the last 20 years.


Tim
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Global warming! BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!


Scott in BC
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The conspiracy theorists never cease to amaze me. Imagine, David Suzuki and his legions of bogeymen organizing well read, intelligent individuals around the world to jump on the bandwagon and march in the streets to demand a shift in the wealth of the western world to the third world! Get real. It should be as plain as the nose on your face that change is happening. The rate of change is greater than any time in history. I learned about the greenhouse effect in elementary school in the 60's. It's not a stretch to see that too much CO2 can cause too much warming. Yes, this will bring about a change in the way we live. We live unsustainably.


John Luft
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"An exhaustive review by The Associated Press". Now THAT's funny! That pretty much cements it....global warming is definitely a fraud.


Erwin
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It should come as no surprise that members of the IPCC support Mann and his research since the bulk of their 'sceince' is based on his raw data. Most of the scientists doing IPCC sponsored work use the work of Mann and do not accumulate their own data. When McIntyre first requested the raw data he was refused and then told it was lost. While this served to protect Mann's conclusions and the Kyoto accord based on it, it makes for junk science. Given the astronomical amounts of money that are based on the data of one researcher and the attempts to prevent it to be reviewed by researchers outside the IPCC cohort, we have many reasons to doubt that climate change is based on sound sceince. The media are certainly complicit in providing biased reporting.


daveyboy
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Oh, well! If the press say's we should believe them it must be true. 50 plus e-mails talking about falsified data between scientists shounds like a conjured scam to me. easy way to bilk world wide rate payers on the fears of some made up event. The world is warming, not do to man or some other goofy senerio. Lets simplify things. put some ice cubes in a glass of water whats going to naturally happen over time? Right They're going to melt. At first the ice cubes will melt slower because there are lots of ice cubes to keep the water cold. As more of the ice in the glass melts the less ice there is to keep the water cold which means the water is starting to warm quicker making the remaining ice cubes melt faster. We didn't hold a man made hair dryer to the glass to increase heating. the water just naturally warms faster do to less ice and unlike some of these quack scientists I'm not even going to charge for that.


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How interesting that Climategate was only mentioned in passing in other mainstream news stories (and only really discussed amongst the average reader in the comments section) when things looked really ugly. BUT now that the supposedly unbiased AP has said that there is no conspiracy or collusion, this story has been chosen as the lead! This so-called investigation doesn't change what others who have already read the emails for themselves have already seen, nor does it rescue the media's integrity after they initially turned a blind eye to this story!!


SKite
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AP - ever think to review the data files, or obtain the services of someone qualified to analyze the data for integrity? That's where the real meat is, and the evidence of substantial "tinkering" to arrive at pre-determined results.The AP has been shilling global warming/AGW climate change for quite some time, not surprising they found "the science to be settled".Quite similar to most other media outlets, scientists, politicians, "experts", etc. etc. ad nauseum.Anyone promoting "the science is settled" is incredibly dangerous to the necessary scientific process required to prove or disprove anything.Science is never settled. An as soon as it is politicized to the extent of climate change, it is no longer science. It is ideology, religion, dogma - but not science.CTV - please, I implore you, grow some and start asking the tough questions of all those involved (scientists, journalists, politicians, "experts" like Gore and Suzuki). It's your job.


Jared
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Most of you commenting on these e-mails probably haven't even read ten percent of them. It's crazy how partisan this issue has become. THAT is definitely not the scientists fault. Quit being political pawns and read up on some of this stuff yourself instead of biting on the one-liners your political party throws out - be it liberal or conservative (democrat or republican)


Henry Wysmulek
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Wow, it's a good thing we have these reporters around to tell us what too think. Unfortunatly for them, most people in the West are well educated enough to be able to read and form their own opinions about this ourtright fraud.-31C this morning again, so were is this global warming?


Rick
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I find it funny how mostly skeptics ever comment on these stories. The last gasp of a dying man.


Portes
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Not a big suprise. All the MSM are in league with the climate change rogues. I just read this morning the the UN wants 60 billion,yes that is 60 billion to set up a monitor of the Earth. That is more than we spent in this country to ward off the recession. The UN's record on spending money is a known joke, they spend it on everything except what it should be spent on and half of it is stolen or can't be accounted for. I am sorry I don't buy this climate change bunk. All of us know the climate is changing,and it has done that for millions of years. What we need is an approach that makes use of all of our brains and not just a few scammers.

Bill in BC
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This "news report" is as bad as the controversy over the alleged science of AGW itself. Ignoring the issue of whether the science is correct, let's look at the "review": AP selected 3 "moderates" who believe the hypothesis, gave them selected emails. Then asked them if those selected emails changed their minds over the hypothesis they subscribe to and the answer was predictably no. WOW! Does anyone see a problem with this? Not only does this fail the most basic test of science, it fails statistical testing, it fails sociological testing. In short it isn't worth the electrons it takes to send it. The really sad thing is that many misguided people who are only guilty of caring and falling prey to a lie are going to think this supports their belief in a failed hypothesis (that can't even muster enough scientific support to be called a theory). We are all victims here, whether you are a believer or not in AGW, and the AP has failed in its duty to perform accurate and unbiased reporting.

charlie
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"Very generous interpretations" is what many people see as lying. I seem to recall an interpretation by a former President that his conduct did not amount to sexual relations - and that was, for many, the ultimate "generous interpretation" of his conduct. I am troubled by scientists trying to spin fact to fit theory - and that seems evident in the material revealed - fact should not need "interpretation". Once all the e-mails are reviewed by independent scientists, not reporters, we will be in a better position to judge what is a "generous interpretion and what is falsification.


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