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Airbus led Mulroney to keep Schreiber deal secret
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Date: Tue. May. 12 2009 8:39 PM ET
Brian Mulroney says he wanted to keep his dealings with Karlheinz Schreiber out of the public eye because he was scarred from the ribbing he took during the Airbus scandal.
"The enormity of those events scarred me and my family for life," Mulroney told a public inquiry on Tuesday.
"And it explains my conduct in trying to keep private the private commercial transaction I entered into with Mr. Schreiber after I left office, so as to avoid the same kinds of deceitful and false purveying of information that had led to the original Airbus matter in the first place."
The former prime minister's comments came during testimony at the Oliphant inquiry, where he also said his business relationship with German-Canadian Schreiber was "legal and involved no wrongdoing of any kind."
The inquiry is trying to get to the bottom of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash payments Schreiber made to Mulroney in 1993 and 1994.
"My business relationship with Mr. Schreiber was legal and involved no wrongdoing of any kind at any time on my part," Mulroney testified on Tuesday.
"I genuinely regret, however, that the circumstances surrounding these transactions, for which I am largely responsible, give rise to suspicions as to their propriety.
"I certainly accept that inadequately documented arrangements are inappropriate for former public office holders and obviously should be avoided at all times."
Schreiber says he negotiated a deal with Mulroney not long before he resigned as prime minister in June 1993. He wanted Mulroney to lobby on behalf of a proposal by Thyssen AG to build light-armoured vehicles in Canada.
Schreiber has testified that he made three $100,000 payments to Mulroney: the first in August 1993, another in December of that year and a final payment in December 2004.
Mulroney admits to having received cash payments from Schreiber, and maintains they were made after he left office.
However, he claims to only have been paid $225,000, which he declared for income tax purposes six years after the payments started.
Mulroney said he tried to keep the transactions with Schreiber private because he wanted to avoid the kind of accusations lobbied against him in relation to the 1988 sale of Airbus jets to Air Canada.
The former prime minister said he was accused of corruption in the affair and that the "enormity of those events" scarred him and his family for life.
"It explains my conduct in trying to keep private the private commercial transaction I entered into with Mr. Schreiber after I left office... so as to avoid the same kinds of deceitful and false purveying of information that had led to original Airbus matter in the first place," Mulroney said.
Mulroney says he broke no legal or ethical guidelines and that he lobbied foreign politicians in an effort to find export markets for Thyssen vehicles.
As he headed into the inquiry Tuesday, Schreiber denied ever bribing Mulroney, saying there was "no need."
Schreiber has testified that he and Mulroney exchanged friendly letters and phone calls while Mulroney was in office.
'This was the hardest moment,' says Mulroney aide
Mulroney said he didn't remember speaking to Schreiber while in office and he said his staff often wrote responses to letters written to him.
Robin Sears, Mulroney's spokesman, said Tuesday afternoon that the former prime minister is tired after several hours of testimony, but he is also "feeling pretty satisfied with the first day's work.
"This was the hardest moment in some ways. The opening day, the tension surrounding it and how well he could bear the stress of this inquiry was obviously on all our minds, but he seemed to do pretty well," Sears told CTV's Power Play.
Sears noted that the entire affair comes down comes down to Mulroney's choice to accept cash rather than a cheque.
"I don't think there's any more explanation or deconstruction one can do."
Meanwhile, Schreiber's lawyers said Monday they were worried their client could be booted out of Canada before the inquiry is over.
Schreiber is wanted in Germany on a list of charges that includes fraud, extortion and tax evasion. He has been allowed to remain in Canada to participate in the inquiry.
"I don't want to be put in a position where I wake up one day and get a phone call saying that they've whisked him away," Edward Greenspan, the head of Schreiber's legal team, told CP on Monday.
Greenspan said he was ready to go back to court if necessary to try and keep Schreiber in Canada.
With files from The Canadian Press
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Please let's not even entertain any protectionist responses to this issue. Canadian consumers go south to shop because of the cheaper prices. How about resorting to competitive pricing as a solution...that will keep Canadian shoppers at home.
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Game Over in NB
said
As for Mr Harper, remember your friends, they got you to where you are. One day you may need and if you kiss off your friends, you usually end up all alone. Even your own members have stuck by Mulroney.
Oh, yes, that's right, you don't want to tarnish your reputation by hanging around someone who gives bad press. I guess that's why you trashed the coalition government only to now embrace the bloc if it means you staying in power. I am quite disappointed. At least when Mulroney was in government you knew where he stood. Do you?
Prof. Pye Chartt
said
On an old dilapidated bus, on a slow and bumpy road to somewhere, perhaps nowhere.
While I heartfully agree that this Inquiry serves an exceedingly just purpose for the country, and that the in-office actions and behavior of a Prime Minister do, indeed, matter greatly, I just can't get behind a governmental (non-judicial) process that is principally underpinned by just two witnesses, one of whom is the "accused" and the other has been publicly tarred with his own conflicting statements, nutty assertions, and "wanted" status in another reputable country.
I'm still patiently waiting for the "Seven Scandals In One" (or whatever bull-crap we were promised).
kc in alberta
said
We all know if any of us had been found hiding enormous amounts of cash income for 6 years there would have been penalties.
George Kowalski
said
Who cares? In a recession don't you think this many millions of dollars could be better spent?
KC
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A PM utilizing the powers of Parliament with the only evidence being undeclared cash contained in unmarked envelopes exchanged in hotel rooms, and the cash being squirrelled away in safety deposit boxes and in matresses. Do we need to spend $14 million? We NEED to start putting people in jails to send a message to others that this won't be tolerated. The corruption is at 3rd world levels. We all shake our heads about the corruption in African & Mexican societies but this stuff is full blown here. It's EVERYWHERE!!
Aaron in Toronto
said
So if the timing of 1995 is right then what is Brian Mulroney talking about scarred from the ribbing he took during the Airbus scandal?
This is getting more interesting.
However, I still believe we should deport Mr. Karlheinz back to Germany. If he REALLY want to co-operate with this inquiry hearing then he can do so via video conference in the comfort of his jail cell in Germany
Bruce - Quebec
said
I'm astounded by Canadian's jaded view of ethics - looks like Canadian politicians give their electorate the ethics they deserves.
Canadians look down on Americans for their blind patriotism and morally bankrupt politicians but is it any better here?
"We don't want to pay for it (the inquirey)" - that's a good reason to put your head in the sand!
and their devotion to former leaders.
THE Fatman
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MK from Sask.
said
This whole affair is a terrible waste of taxpayers money, brought on by one of Canada's most prominent citizen. As much as I dislike this waste, I do hope this inquiery will get to the bottom of it, whatever it takes, because I strongly believe that every Canadian has the right to know what really happend while Mr M was Prime Minister of Canada!
Catherine Greenidge
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Lee in Calgary
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Mark
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Lorne
said
The only problem is that the questions are not probing enough and require a more direct attack at all parties.
There is too much courtesy towards the parties involved.
A barrage of questions should be continually fired at these parties to the affair.
Mulroney should be required to pay a substantial amount of interest on the income, as he did not claim the monies until 1999.
I don't care if his family is "scarred" as a result of the whole affair.
Sandi Adams
said
I agree with “Concerned Citizen”. If we as Canadian Citizens don’t care about getting to the bottom of this then how are these individuals ever held accountable? What does it say to our future politicians? It says they can pretty much get away with anything and we’ll turn the other cheek. What does it say about us, the people? It says we get exactly what we deserve.
I know people are tired of this whole mess. So am I. But I’m not prepared to let this go quietly into the annals of history as a minor error in judgment on Mr. Mulroney’s part. I want and "deserve" the truth. I want and deserve a definitive finding with an appropriate punishment if warranted. If Mr. Mulroney is innocent it will be proven as such. If he’s found to have perpetrated any wrongdoing during the commission of his leadership then that, too, will come out. But either way we need to ensure that our leaders (and I use that word very loosely these days) know they will be held accountable for their actions no matter how long it takes. We are the people who put them in power and we are the people who can throw them out. It’s that simple. We as individuals need to start taking some of the responsibility.
Mike
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James Bateman, Region of Waterloo, Ontario.
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Another inquiry, another commission; yes, the new way of dispute resolution.
More big taxpayer dollars to keep the Law Corporations (merged in late 1990's) in the black and occupied.
These self-serving, grandiose, narcissists, have it pretty darn good....wouldn't you agree?
And the rest of us, well we are content with, "beer, hockey and bashing the U.S. of A.
DoasIsay
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Gilbert in Ottawa
said
Now all this blablabla at the enquiry is costing us around $14 millions and is allowing this guy to stay in Canada and avoid facing the charges against him in Germany. - Shut it down, send Mulroney back home to his retirement, and send Schreiber back to Germany. Case Closed.
bob
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Garth
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Richard of Winnipeg
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DANIEL H
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WestofTheRockies
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There is no allegation of a bribe. Mulroney wasn't in office when this transaction took place. Therefore no bribe. This was an advance payment for certain services to be rendered, made in cash, which was not too bright, but nevertheless, not illegal.
This is just finger pointing by Karl to take the heat off him and put it on someone else and delay his inevitable return to Germany where he has legal problems also. A country where his type of weaselling does not convince anyone and he knows he is going to jail.
Here in Canada where the righteous must investigate beneath every stone for anyone citizen or not, he is successful in wasting vast amounts of OUR money with trumped up stories that have as their only evidence, notes which the criminal (Karl) is providing. Unbelievable. Can you say witch hunt kids?
Meanwhile, millions of dollars of illegal payments in Ad-scam as well as payments to bail out buddy’s golf courses etc. etc. etc. by Chrétien for which there is actual evidence, are just swept under the carpet because after all he’s a Liberal and therefore entitled.
Only in the Liberal Fiefdom of Canada.
Joe Sanity
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Richard in Markham
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Justa Fella in ON
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James Ireland
said
If you or I had done the same thing we'd be in jail!
This man failed to declare to Revenue Canada the money until 1999 and this is not for lack of judgement. He clearly thought he could get away with it. Keep Schreiber here until we know just how thick those envelopes were and how many other people were in on it.
Mulroney and his quest for public affection is a really sad story.
S a Conervative I'm very glad to see that Mr. Harper has distanced himself from this man.
Jamie Ireland
Nick in Gatineau
said
An MP receiving money is not illegal. But one receives money in order for something to be done or because something has been done.
The only reason why Shreiber's credibility is being attacked is to determine whether or not Mulroney would have trusted him enough to do the work requested prior to payment.
If any work was done prior to payment; while he was in office... Mulroney would have committed a crime.
That's the platform of Mulroney's team.
Either way, MPs write the laws that govern them. That has to stop. The laws that govern them should be written by an independent body of ethics. The kind that can have an MP removed, the kind that can press charges against an MP, etc... Without any interference from anyone in Canada.
Jexopolis
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Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
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The "Commission" has become a "cottage industry", providing gainful employment to armies of federal lawyers, clerks, courier agencies and MP's who are eagerly helping themselves to limitless sums of taxpayers money, while pretending to pursue
"justice"!
After all, if the "enquiry" in question was shut down by Parliament, all these "hired guns" would have to go out in a tough economy and get a "real job"!
And we all know how that would work out...Pro Patria!
Randolph, Saskatoon
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Wes Hagel
said
Mr. Mulroney has done a lot of good in his life. I won't dismiss this for the 'appearance' of a breach of ethics. Live and let live!
Any chance of taking down politician: interesting.
said
Mulroney and every other political POS!
Jeff from Alberta
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Concerned Canadian
said
Personally I hope that Mr. Mulroney is innocent. But we have to find out whether our top politician was corrupt, even if it was 16 years ago.
The reason that we must find out is that in a democracy, you get the government that you deserve. If we don't send a message to all political parties that the people will not stand back and let them get away with corrupt practice, then we will get more of the same.
The Liberals were guilty in Ad Scam, got caught and were punished by the public. Good.
Now if it turns out that Mr. Mulroney is guilty, then he needs to be punished too. If we do this more consistently, then maybe we can limit the amount of corruption by our politicians.
Because what's the alternative? Let them get away with anything they like? If we do that, we're on our way to bannana republic status.
No. Let the inquiry continue, and hope for a good verdict.
But don't sit back and complain about the inquiry, then turn aound the next day and complain about how corrupt the government is.
It's only as corrupt as we allow it to be.
Alex (Toronto)
said
A lot of Conservatives would be happy to have Mr. Mulroney and his supporters quit and go to the Liberals. Plenty of Liberals would be happy to welcome the remaining moderates that used to belong to the Progressive Conservative party. Might be the best solution for everyone.
Reece
said
Mulroney, as a wannabe lawyer, my advice to you is to use the following words:
"I can't recall"
adm Saskatchewan
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david
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Narin
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Jim in Ontario
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Peter in BC
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Pip
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As for all this fuss about "cash in brown paper bags": since when has cash ceased to be legal tender? Must we accept promissory notes (cheques) rather than legal tender, just so someone can trace all our financial transactions? More to the point, will one of the outcomes of this inquiry be a recommendation that every transaction must be traceable to a specific individual?
This inquiry is the result of too much government, and too much government inevitably leads to the eventual erosion of our rights and frredoms.
A Koster - BC
said
Politicians are nothing more than grossly overpaid public servants, and they are there as stewards of our money. When they forge these deals in secret and behind our backs, they are making them not for our benefit, but for the enrichment of themselves. How any of you can say it doesn't matter to you is beyond my comprehension.
Will in Ottawa
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Dave
said
enough already.
DJ in Manitoba
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Steve in Manotick
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Davis from Hamilton
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James Doyle
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Raj
said
I want BM to get what he has coming to him, but lets ship Karl home now, so he can be put in jail.45% of Canada think this is a total waste of money.I am one of them
L in Ottawa
said
I agree with you. Your two points are both very well taken. I say send Mr. Schreiber back to Germany as the Germans wish, it's already been far too long in that regard, and stop wasting Canada's time and money attempting to damage Mr. Mulroney further for his poor judgment. He will take that unfortunate lapse of judgment to his grave no matter what the inquiry concludes. That's enough, and this should have ended quite a while ago for Mr. Schreiber, Mr. Mulroney, and the rest of us.
JB in Ontario
said
Different coumntries have different ways of doing business.
English teachers get paid each month in cash (over 1 000 000) won in South Korea. I know because I taught the English language overseas.
Yes, perhaps they should have written a cheque, but thats what happened over a decade ago. We have much more important issues to deal with. Let it go.
Earl Robert
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Charlie
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David in Toronto
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Mr S' charges in Germany are far more serious than his worth is to Canada's inquiry and Mr M's reputation will unfortunately forever be clouded which is punishment enough for a former leader of our country.
Michael (Ottawa)
said
...
The RCMP "NEED" to be set free from the political interference imposed on them from the PMO's office and they need to be able to do their job in an impartial manner without political pressure on the RCMP brass.
For too long the RCMP brass have played lapdogs to Prime Ministers and cabinets and serious investigations of wrongdoing have vanished at the will of the political masters in Canada.
THAT HAS TO STOP if we are going to stop the political corruption which exists in Canada on all sides of the political spectrum.