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Has the GST cut helped or hindered our economy?
By: Andy Johnson, CTV.ca News
Date: Sun. Jan. 25 2009 1:00 PM ET
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has made tax cuts a top priority since he was first elected as the leader of the Conservative party.
So it's no surprise that after he was elected as prime minister in January 2006, Harper followed through on his promise to slash the Goods and Services Tax, cutting it from seven to six per cent, then finally to five per cent.
While that move put more money in Canadians' pockets, it also cost the government billions of dollars, and left many scratching their heads.
Admittedly, hindsight is 20/20, but according to one taxation watchdog the program has taken a whopping $12 billion out of federal coffers -- funds he said would come in handy now as Ottawa faces a deficit for the first time in over a decade.
"They estimated that a 1 per cent drop in the GST is roughly $6 billion or $7 billion dollars of revenue that they would lose," said Larry Chapman, executive director of the Canadian Tax Foundation.
"When they were projecting what the GST cut would do to revenue for 2009-10, the estimated the GST cut in that year would cost $12.6 billion."
The deficit from Tuesday's federal budget is expected to amount to roughly $34 billion -- the cost of the government's plan to dig Canada out of the current recession.
"So would they like to have that back now? Are there other ways they'd like to spend that $12 billion dollars right now? (Finance Minister) Jim Flaherty won't get up in front of the House of Commons and say that there are, but I'm sure people are thinking it."
One wouldn't expect to hear the director of the Canadian Tax Foundation criticizing a tax reduction initiative -- the very thing the organization stands for.
And he's not, exactly.
Chapman is clear on his position that tax reductions are generally good for the economy.
However, he said the timing of those tax cuts, and the areas where they are implemented, are crucial factors if the economy is to see maximum benefit.
When the first cut was made to the GST in July 2006, the economy was strong and large surpluses were being banked by the feds. But Chapman said many analysts at the time suggested an income tax cut would be a more effective way of giving money back to taxpayers.
The second cut -- which completed Harper's pledge to slash the GST to 5 per cent -- made more sense, Chapman said.
"2008 was different, when it went from 6 to 5 per cent. I think they saw storm clouds on the horizon and wondered what the reaction of consumers was going to be, so maybe in that case you can say maybe a one point reduction makes sense."
He said much of the current economic trouble is beyond Canada's control, noting that the Conservatives have "resisted the temptation to spend like drunken sailors" and have been responsible in their money management.
Chapman said the Tories have also kept strong banking regulations in place, which has protected the economy from a sub-prime mortgage or credit crisis, like that currently underway in the U.S.
Rainy day fund needed now
Kevin Gaudet, acting federal director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, agreed that Canada has been protected by strong regulations on banks.
He said the GST cut can't be blamed entirely for the impending deficit.
"To pretend that suddenly, magically, it is the sole factor for the declining government revenues, would be to ignore a swirling number of factors," Gaudet said, adding that the larger culprit is the high rate of government spending in recent years
"A simple way to put it would be to say they've spent at twice the rate of inflation for a decade, and that's not sustainable."
The current situation, Chapman said, can be compared to a worker who gets a raise and immediately spends the extra funds, rather than saving "for a rainy day."
That rainy day is now, he said. And partly because the surplus was returned to tax payers in the form of the GST cut, and not put aside for a future storm, Canada faces a deficit situation.
While Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty have pledged the deficit will not be structural or long-term, Gaudet worries it will be difficult to emerge from such a hole.
"The U.S. has a cold. And when it has a cold, we have a cold."
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rick rude
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Jason
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marge
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Pat McRae
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And before someone starts ranting on EI funds, the Supreme Court ruled the Chretien government DID NOT misappropriate EI funds to balance the books. The issue was over how these funds were raised, not how they were spent.
Mulroney inherited a debt of $170B from Trudeau. Mulroney left a debt of $466B for Chretien - just nine years later.
Tory times are tough times.
Marg in Calgary
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'Nuf said
Bee
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That may not sound like much, but over the 2008 year alone, the GST cut saved us over $2000. Without it, we wouldn't be able to continue spending throughout this economic downturn.
Langley Michelle
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Did your generation not put us into 500+ Billion dollar debt?
Were we not paying that Debt down till the upper and middle class (See mostly older generation) voted conservative?
Economics 101 is that when a government is in tough times they go into debt to help but in good times they pay off the debt they incurred during the tough times so that they are prepared for the next tough times...
When there is a boom there is lots of money in circulation, government needs to take some of that money to pay off debts or the debts never get paid off and they continue to pass the debt load onto the next generation... Your own greed is what has put us into this situation...
rick rude alberta
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James Short
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Karen
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No saves in my other bills, no savings on the SUVs, vacation tickets, houses or other big-ticket items that I can't and did not buy!
Those 2% GST cut that destroyed $12 billion in federal funding was so great for my bills, I mean, what could the government have done with it to help *middle class* families? I don't know? Provide affordable child care? Dental program? more after-school programs for our youths? hmmm
well, at least I still have my pennies in savings.. good economics! coming from an "economist" that went against the carbon tax that was supported by 250 other economists (and they're weren't 'fringe experts' either)
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I have been following the discussions related to the economy and have come to the conclusion that nobody seems to know anything about the economy. This includes the government and the people who comment on here. Everyone has their opinion but it looks, to me anyway, like they are guesses at best. How can anyone actually know when the world economy has never been in this position except for maybe during the depression. The only reason we are having this conversation is because the government is trying to avoid a catastrophic imploding of the global economy. If a 2 cent GST reduction is going to be the downfall of Canada we might as well give up now.
anyway my two cents.
Daniel
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my take on this
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Jay
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I for one am sick of the Harperites and their flawed ideology. He's had his chances and squandered and lied through everyone. Time for a new government. Coalition or whatever really doesn't matter at this point.
I have already lost two jobs directly due to the asinine politics/policy of this morally and fiscally bankrupt conservative government. You have to be stinking rich to get a break with these elitists.
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Maybe the people that say those things should think a bit before they offer such nonsensical opinions.
If the middle class has more money to spend then that money is put back into the economy. So if the upper middle class family has more disposable income to purchase that new TV or boat, then someone has to warehouse it, ship it, stock it, sell it. Then the boat need fuel, someone has to deliver the fuel and pump it. The boat needs insurance, so there needs to be an insurance broker and insurance companies with office staff. Someone even has to make those little pink insurance slips, the ink and deliver them to the company.
Get what I'm saying? Sure the poorer people don't get much out of a 2% GST reduction, but they do get the opportunity for a job from it. Any job is better than no job. I speak from experience, I've been looking for one for 3 months now.
It really isn't a hard concept to grasp.
troiler89
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Well, you could be living in Africa losing your limbs to oppressive dictators. Or you could thank previous generations for ensuring the country you live in is safe and protects you from such things. Sounds like you have it pretty rough...but freedom isn't free. Lots of people died and are dying for your right to complain.
Your welcome.
The previous generations
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terri
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Kenneth Finlayson
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It is such a refreshing change to visit Alberta and not be subjected to PST: a sense of freedom, well-being, and healthy living in the air.
And isn't that what we want? We think we can create employment by mechanical devices such as this and that. You can't create employment! You can induce it perhaps. You have to have the freedom and the willingness to do things, and that makes a healthy economy.
Sela.
Janos Keri, North Vancouver
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The favorite country and leader of Mr. Harper proved it very well that tax cuts do not improve economic performance.
We were told many times that corporations should concentrate there efforts to their core business to be efficient.
When it comes to social programs (not socialist programs) governments are the best to deliver them. If we leave the government without funding (no taxis) than business leaders are left with the responsibilities of a de facto dysfunctional government.
The tax cuts of Bush and Harper are to deliver that dysfunction for the order of the socialite class, and provide them with divine power of charity.
If Mr Harper and the neo-cons stay in power we will be living on it.
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Scott in Surrey
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I am 36 and my first time voting I proudly booted Mulroney from office as the generation before me left me with a debt of over 500 Billion dollars...
We tried to pay it down, but over all Canadians got tired of being fiscally responsible and paying down our debts so they voted Conservative...
They believed Harper when he preached 'A Surplus is Over Taxation' yet ignored our massive debt... Simple economics is that during booms you have a surplus to pay down debt so in a recession you can go into debt... But Harper does not believe in that, he feels you spend everything during a boom and go into debt during a recession, ignoring the massive debt...
We had plenty in the cupboards before Harper, now we have nothing because he gave it all to his corporate buddies and we got nothing in return...
So, I am as disgusted as you are... Maybe those over 40 should not be allowed to vote anymore as they have proven to ignore the future generations!!!
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Sure, it's nice to have an extra 200-500 dollars a year, but the question is whether or not it's worth it and whether or not tax cuts in other sectors would make a bigger difference, because reducing the GST beneifts the richest the most. You spend say 30 grand a year, and you get 600 off a year. Someone spends 300 grand, and well, you get the idea. It taxes consummerism, and it would have been much better to offer income tax cuts of a similar level to low-middle class families.
Harper has been spending like crazy, and even bought outrageously expensive things such as Globemaster airlifters, where Russian/Ukrainian options would have been 80% cheaper for a superior product, all to avoid buying anything east of the Iron Curtain. It's messed up considering Ukraine it "pro-western" yet Antonov is still avoided like the plague, and NATO leases every antonav airlifter they can get their hands on. Harper wasted 3 billion because of a Cold War mentality that made no sense. That scandal completely drwafs any of the other Liberal scams that ever happened.
The "tax and spend" liberals gave us a surplus for 9 yers, and reduced the federal deficit by 100 billion dollars, a deficit that exists mostly because of the "fiscal conservative" that was Mulrouney, and all the gains made are now being destroyed by another "fiscal conservative." This is why the East doesn't like Harper. That, and telling the world that Ontario is the last place anyone should invest in right now. List goes on.
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How could it be even close
to that figure when we are in a recession and such a huge majority of people buying very minimum ,, has anyone factored those figures yet ???
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Cory in Calgary
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The only way we can lower GST is to support Canadain business and encourage more support for developing our corporations to keep profits here in Canada for job creation and taxes.
Start making laws to ship finished value added products from our finite resources and renewable resources. Let Canadains own those new resource refining businesses and lower personal and corporate taxes as more ownership is canadain. Until then taxes should be higher on GST to keep canada stronger on the balance sheets due to profits leaving the counrty enmass to outrageously poportioned foreign ownership. When 60% or more of corporate Canada is Canadian owned then you might be able to lower consumer goods tax, GST as more money is put into circulation in Canada. Canada is raped by the foreign ownership and shipping of raw materials which we end up paying more for when we import our finished products back into the country. Quit selling out Corporate Canada to Foreign ownership just to get a low paying job. Corporate profits build more jobs when left in Canada. We should be one of the richest countries in the world, ahead of Norway, instead of being wanting. Wakeup Canada.
JG
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It's a shame Harper never had a Joseph to advise him, just a flock of sycophantic Neo-cons.He'd be advised to ask George Bush where that got him.
Chris S.
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Just go on, blaming the media, the Liberals, and anyone else besides Harper. Enjoy your dream land.
Ry in Hamilton
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That way we can eliminate Health Care, Social Programs, CPP, and all the other useless programs that Canadians take for granted every day.
Or, did you really think that these things grew on tree's like your parents taught you? How do you think these services are provided to you? Did you think that once a year the most affluent people in the country got together and decided to donate a few Billion dollars to the economy?
Canadians have an unwavering selfish sense of self-entitlement.
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It would have been far better to raise the basic exemption, as all of that money would have been spent.
Cutting the GST is another example of a 'loud' but stupid policy change by the Federal Conservatives... How the Hell did Harper get a masters in Econ? Doesn't he know how taxes work, and how multiplier effects, etc function in an economy?
The GST was kept around by those that sleighed the deficit, LIBERALS, because it is a good tax. Instead they cut corporate and personal taxes down, and were using surpluses to pay down the deficit.. over 60 Bilion dollars down in their time in office. They were on track to have even more paid down, but Harper et al took power, and claimed they had magically done it.
Sigh. Reality Check - had Harper not increased spending as much as he had, while cutting taxes; we would still be in surplus territory, and have paid down a further 60 billion onto the debt... Not only 30ish...
As well, our cupboard would not be bare when it came time to apply stimulus to the economy. But no, instead we have an idiot PM saying buy stocks (mkt tanked a further 30% thank you) and a finance minister trying to start a war with the opposition, instead of actually doing his job.
Amateur hour on the Rideau Canal, and I am sick of it.
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Stephen B
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There has not been a bail out of the banks in Canada. No public money has been given to any bank in Canada.
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Michael - Toronto
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Also, that every tax at the point of sale is fundamentally more democratic - because the consumer has a choice to spend less and thus decrease his/her tax burden during tough times, while the more wealthy individuals are less restricted in spending and thus contribute more to the federal coffers during tough economic times. Of course, they can also choose NOT to spend as well, and thus reduce their own tax burden if they so wish.
If income tax was essentially removed, which displaces this democratic and individual power to the central governmnent- and point of sale taxes were the main source of revenue - we would all be better off, and feel more free in our individual choices. I, thankfully have not had to restrict my spending lately - so contribute more proportionally than those who have. And I am fine with that - until I see my income tax burden!
Richard Lich
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Mike from Canmore
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Begone Flaherty and Harper!
Raj
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D Epp
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And - the CPC (not "Tories") kept strong banking regulations in place? NO. They invited foreign companies into the country to play with financial instruments and also introduced the 40-year, no down payment mortgage, but then reversed it after a couple years. For that brief time, this policy created its own problems.
The CPC is not a good money manager. If it had a majority, it would have blindly instituted the wrong-headed policies of the neo-conservative movement: privatization, deregulation, selling off of public property, and slavish following of the free market. Time to turf these guys.
An SME from western Canada
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Arnold Donovan, Quispamsis N.B.
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Carlos Lange
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I think you mean "the deficit will not be structural".
ET
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They now have no way to shift around money to stimulate the economy, and now have to go to a record deficit!
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Governments should make cuts to non-core programs when times are tough, spend only what is needed and leave the rest in our hands, we earned it after all.
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waiting on a budget
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They saw stormclouds? I remember being told everything was fine in the Canadian economy.
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the bogus argument comparing tax cuts to surpluses is deceiptful. A surplus = overtaxation and belongs to Canadian taxpayes not the goverement.
The less money the government has to waste or squander the better.
Remeber the Liberal Sponsership scandal and all the corrupt Liberal boondoggles when they wasted billions of hard eraned tax dollars.
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Scott in the Kootenays
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Eddie O.
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G Roche
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This story is typical liberal propaganda brought to you via CTV. If the conservative had raised the gst or left it alone this media outlet would be decrying the broken promises of the reform era or some other lame spin.
Harper is the best PM this country has ever had.
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Larry NL
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JPC in SK
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Anne M
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No government borrowing to pay for tax cuts.
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People who can't afford their taxes should cut spending.
Sell the SUV, deadbeat.
I don't want to pay taxes in the future or have social programs cut because you can't afford your lifestyle today.
The Next Generation
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So, thanks for all the debt and the dirty environment. Can you screw anything else up for us before you're gone?
Yours truly,
The Next Generation
mikie
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weren't the liberals supposed to scrap it but didin't? cause they liked the extra cash so much to fund the scandal?
Tax cuts are a scam to help the big banks.
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The bank bailout potentially destabilizes the federal fiscal structure. It leads to a spiraling budget deficit, which must be financed at tax payers expense. The entire structure of public spending is affected including federal-provincial transfers.
The 75 billion dollar bailout is to be partially financed by increasing the public debt.
What we can expect is a combination of budgetary compressions coupled with an increase of the public debt. Most categories of federal expenditure (excluding defense) are likely to be affected.
The federal fiscal structure is in jeopardy. The budget deficit finances the bank bailout.
What is likely to occur are more government "handouts" to banks and corporations coupled with a massive austerity program and a spiraling public debt.
The size of public debt is directly affected by the economic crisis. Company layoffs and bankruptcies seriously affect the revenues of the State. Unemployed people and bankrupt companies do not pay taxes. The increase in unemployment and the contraction in salaried earnings will backlash on tax revenues, which in turn contributes to exacerbating the fiscal crisis both at the federal and provincial levels.