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Date: Tue. Nov. 11 2008 9:50 PM ET
As Canadians gathered at Remembrance Day ceremonies across the country on Tuesday, they remembered their dead from all wars, past and present.
And when Ottawa's Peace Tower bell rang 11 times at 11 a.m., followed by the traditional two minutes of silence, 90 years had officially passed since the end of the First World War.
More than 100,000 Canadians have died in wars over the past century, including:
- nearly 69,000 in the First World War;
- 47,000 in the Second World War;
- 517 in the Korean War;
- 112 in peacekeeping missions around the globe; and
- 97 during the current war in Afghanistan.
In Ottawa, onlookers that included Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Gov.-Gen. Michaelle Jean watched Avril Stachnik place a wreath at the memorial -- part of her duty as this year's Silver Cross Mother, when she represented the parents of all fallen soldiers.
Her son, Sgt. Shane Stachnik, died in Afghanistan two Septembers ago.
Master Cpl. Paul Franklin was one of the veterans watching that moment.
"You really get a sense of the connection between the old veterans and the new veterans, the old wounded and the new wounded like myself," said Franklin, who lost both his legs while serving in Afghanistan in 2006.
"We used to look at them from a distance and now we're part of that."
"We used to think that the thought of war and remembrance was being forgotten and in actuality, I think it's getting stronger than ever. Every year it keeps getting bigger and bigger."
And in a compelling moment, the torch of remembrance was symbolically passed on by John Babcock.
At 108, Babcock is the only surviving Canadian who was in uniform during the First World War.
Babcock appeared via video, his image projected on screens around the grounds.
He urged those who would carry the torch to "hold it high."
One of those who is likely to carry on the memory is William Chapman, a 10-year-old Scout who laid a wreath on the memorial.
He spoke to CTV's Rosemary Thompson with 86-year-old Alan Griffin, a former British fighter pilot.
Chapman said the "amazing" sacrifice by people like Griffin makes him realize "there is something that is better than the best."
Griffin, who still volunteers as a Scout leader, said he blocked out his war memories for years. He only began opening up about his experiences when his grandson asked to hear his stories.
"I told him some things but I didn't tell him all. It was too painful. I was sent there with friends and they're not here anymore, and this is why we do what we're doing now -- for those that didn't make it," Griffin said from the Canadian War Memorial.
Similar ceremonies involving veterans both old and young, their families and friends, as well as the survivors of those lost in war, took place across the country.
Charlotte Lynn Smith laid a wreath in Halifax at the Grand Parade cenotaph in front of hundreds of onlookers.
Her son, Pte. Nathan Smith, was one of four Canadian soldiers killed when an American jet accidentally dropped a bomb on them in April 2002.
Thomas Bradshaw, an 89-year-old British army vet, was touched by the simple kindness of a young child who thanked him for his wartime service at the same ceremony.
"I had a little boy come up to me and thank me," he said. "It was very nice."
In St. John's, local services saw Premier Danny Williams unveil a plaque to honour those serving in Afghanistan.
In Quebec, eight veterans received special medals from the province's national assembly. In Montreal, Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe praised the courage of Quebec's soldiers.
"Some have really sacrificed a lot by placing themselves between opposing forces in peacekeeping operations and others are currently in Afghanistan very far from home," he said.
At the University of Alberta, an estimated 5,000 people gathered at the Van Vliet Centre -- an indoor track and field facility -- to pay their respects on Remembrance Day.
They applauded the members of the Edmonton Garrison as they marched.
Second World War veteran Lloyd Reed came to the building in his wheelchair. His leg was amputated after he was wounded with shrapnel while fighting in Belgium.
"A lot of these people I never got to know," he said. "A lot of memories there."
Arnold Brand, who fought in the Korean War, brought his five-year-old grandson Nathan, whom "likes to participate" in Remembrance Day.
"I tell him about it and let him know and explain it all to him," he said.
Ceremonies in B.C. saw thousands gather for a rain-soaked ceremony in Vancouver's Victory Square.
B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell was one of many to lay a wreath at the base of the park's cenotaph.
In an interview on Tuesday afternoon, Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Walter Natynzcyk said Canadians seem to feel increasingly connected to their military.
"These past few years, our men and women have been serving in places like Afghanistan, but also throughout Africa and the Mediterranean. People are now seeing what these men and women are doing," he told CTV's Mike Duffy Live.
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JP in North Saanich - UN VET
said
I am in BC and was at the Victoria ceremony .Great number of people who turned out , many young and many young families.
Navy was at their BEST as usual in this city.
Too all who attended
THANK YOU - it means the world to a Vet to see you on Nov 11
Seth
said
To all those currently serving in UN, NATO and other duties, come home safe.
Thank you and God bless you.
Another JSM Quote (cited properly)
said
"I am not aware that any community has a right to force another to be civilized."
- John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)
Old Fellow, Ont.
said
Accept my thank you for submitting that quotation by John Stuart Mill "War is an ugly thing...." It was my intention to do so but you were ahead of me. There is also this, by William Shakespeare "Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste death but once."
Julius Caesar", Act 2 scene 2
Stephanie; Victoria, BC
said
I will never forget the sacrifices made by all of these men and women. I can only hope that our schools will better educate our children to respect Nov. 11 more than some of the people did today.
Lest we forget.
And to F. Lindsay, MCpl Petawawa, Ontario: I completely agree with your sentiments. New Canadians should attend the Remembrance Day ceremonies. If Canadians had not died in WWI and WWII (and all other wars) they would not have been able to come to Canada and experience freedom and peace.
Les
said
God bless Canada, the USA, and all who serve our nations.
N.S
said
Doug BC
said
This is the one national day that I fully support.It should be expanded,as should the knowledge of our entire history.
God bless all of those men and women who see injustice and are courageous and commited enough to actually do something about it.I can barely imagine the horrors they have seen.Even the survivors cannot expect to be unchanged by their experiences.
This is,and always should be their day in ALL of Canada.Ordinary men and women made huge sacrifices on our behalf.Not to pay our respects to them would be to our shame.
And finally,2 lumps of coal to those unable to restrain themselves,even for one day,from ranting on about the politics that start these conflicts.You need to go back to school because you are clearly missing the entire point of this day.
Their's is the highest calling of all.God bless all who served as we pray for the safe return for those in harms way now.
Mr Chillz
said
But instead, we allow our leaders to wrap the flag around our eyes to cover up their war-mongering, "corporate" agenda for profits. I'm sick and tired of watching my tax money go to chasing boogeymen in the deserts. Income tax was created to pay off the First World War, how many more wars do we have to pay for?
Send the politicians who start these wars and bring our kids home,....and watch how fast it will all end.
Jennifer M
said
Thank You Mom, Canadian Airforce WWII
Thank You Dad, Home Guard England WWII
Thank You to my loving Dear Friend Cliff, USA Viet Nam
Jennifer, Sonoma, Calif
Roland Godin
said
Fraser
said
The family remembers him every Remembrance Day and beyond.
My son was in the Air Cadets for 3 years and we attended Remembrance Day ceremonies.
I am so grateful for the sacrifices of many and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the freedom that I now experience.
Lest We Forget.
B Heikkila Fonthill, ON
said
In response to the comments about the limited amount of military history presented in our schools, allow me to highlight the impressive depth and understanding of the education that my children have received through their high schools in Niagara (E L Crossley & Centennial).
Earlier today my wife and I attended the Cenntennial Secondary School Remembrance Day Service and we were overwhelmed by the reverence of the students at large and solemnity of the service.
The future is in good hands.
Fred.
said
It's nowhere near enough to remember them on remembrance day. How about fighting for them when your MPs come around at voting time. If that generation was as ineffective or as self absorbed as a good number of the following generations are,this e,mail would be written in german.
Paul
said
The Backpacker
said
I currently have friends from the Royal Regiment of Canada in France for Remembrance Day ceremonies. They had gone over to Belgium for the service of a Royal who died in one of the world wars.
These men and women protect us and our country and we owe them everything.
schpid
said
Alex from Guelph
said
PrairieDog
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James in Calgary
said
Don't use this forum to talk about Family Day, or a National Holiday, not here, not today...please use it to "remember" and to say "thank you for your sacrifice, so I may live a free man in a great country."
Steve in Orangeville.
said
1) Remember WW1?
2) The soldier does not pick his battle, he only chooses to do his duty as is asked of by his country.
So, to belittle the service of anyone who has served, or is serving, whether it be in conflict, or in peace time, is a terrible thing to say about our men and women who protect our country.
To those of you who have served, are serving, I thank you.
To those who never came home, I will never forget.
To my Grand Dad (WW1), my Father (WW2) and to the greatest bunch of buddies I ever had the privilege to serve with, I say thanks, and we WILL never forget.
dave
said
I respect their courage to stand and fight, even more so in these days when many are apathetic to life in general. But we must not lose our brains at the recruiting office. This war in Afghanistan was to help the USA war on terror which is proved to be based on lies of WMD's and greed for Big Oil of USA. Lets call this present war what it is, be brave, and save our soldiers for a real combat.
JSM
said
Eleanor McIntosh.
said
We should all be given the opportunity to honour those who sacrificed their lifes so that we can have a better one.
A thought
said
I doubt anyone in uniform expects or wants any gratitude or even acknowledgment. From what the combat veterans say, they'd just as soon forget it. Most of us just served, did our job, retired and got on with our lives.
A couple of minutes once a year reminds me, and I suspect a few others, that an entire nation truly appreciates those that gave the ultimate sacrifice. The comments here are very touching.
Its not a holiday. Its not a time for political rhetoric. Its not a time for "white poppies", remembering "civilian casualties" and all that other nonsense. There's plenty of other days in the year for those things.
It is what its advertised to be: "Remembrance Day". And Canadians truly remember well.
A Proud 2VP wife
said
They all have served proudly and will not be forgotten.
Lynn
said
This is not a day for political rhetoric or opinion but rather a day of deep reflection for sacrifices given and for a family's deep loss. I shant ever forget and shall always feel grateful.
Yoyoma
said
Dear Sir.
I would promise to you that my children (4,3 and 1) would get to the cenotaph each year I could, and we'd ensure that they know as much as possible. right now I'm putting together a simple explanation for them. We'll watch the 6 o'clock news too, just so they can see what happened in Ottawa today.
Yoyoma
said
Roedy Green
said
America. There were three whacko leaders in the Axis bent on world
domination. It is right and fitting to honour those who died in that
struggle. It is a shame the world did not squash the axis before the
problem escalated to world war, but the world leaders of the era did
not have the benefit of hind sight.
It is not right to accuse those WW II soldiers of "sacrificing their
lives". They had no intent of sacrificing their lives. They wanted
the enemy to lose THEIR lives. If North American soldiers died in the
process, that was just the breaks -- not something done deliberately
like the Japanese Kamikaze pilots.
Soldiers in other wars such as Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan
were NOT fighting for anyone's freedom. They were fighting for the
economic interests of North American corporations or for the global
hegemony of the USA. They may not have understood this, but it does
not make them heroes. Their conflicts were no more honourable than
Mafia turf wars. To honour them in the same breath as the WW II vets,
profanes the WW II vets.
Eva in Sask.
said
Thank you soldiers so very much and for the mothers, fathers, wives, husbands, children that say goodbye to their loved ones.
Old Retired Soldier
said
The Kellogg-Briand Pact, was signed on August 27, 1928. It was an international treaty signed after the "war to end all wars". It was supposed to, in effect, make war illegal, and was signed by 61 nations (including Canada) most of whom became involved in all those wars you mentioned in your post.
Unfortunately it's kind of like outlawing deficits. Feels good until you have to run one.
God bless all our troops.
Alan Black Vancouver B.C.
said
But for pity's sake, can we do something about all that bagpipe music? Drat those tone-deaf Scotsmen.
Mike , Saskatoon
said
David in DC
said
Mike Lahey
said
Remember those who have fallen.
Noreen H, Toronto
said
Raymond
said
I cannot imagine the pain you felt learning that your beloved brothers had been killed and wounded that sad day in June, 1916. How empty and alone you must have felt on the farm, with no one there to share your grief.
God bless you all. Rest well.
Aaron
said
Come as we are
With determination and grit
Front of the line
For all to commit
Come as we are
To see that it’s done
No praise and no fanfare
No hype and no fun
Not because we have to
And not as we are told
We see it as our duty
And to that we hold
Come as we are
For one and for all
To save our world from tyranny
And those that it holds
Comes as we are
With grim and with tears
As that is our lot
For we are Volunteers!
Aaron Pratt
Karry in Red Deer
said
Andrea London, ON
said
I am also a high school History teacher and all day today my students are writing letters to soldiers currently serving in Khandahar. It is a great activity and they are honoured to be able to have the opportunity to thank those who are serving for our country.
Cpl Steve Daly C.D. (Ret'd)
said
By Charles M. Province
It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
If you can read this message thank a teacher, If you are reading it in English of your own free will THANK A SOLDIER!
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, and whose coffin is
draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.
To all the brave men and women who have dedicated or given their lives to protecting this country and it's freedoms: Thank You.
Nicole
said
I can remember going to a service every year as a child. I think that is missing.
I will always remember.
JessCutie ;) **
said
WOW!
That really is quite the statement. I couldn't agree with you more.
That is so unbelievably true. They have the time to make such holidays as you said, and for what?
My respects are for those of the Veterans and those fighting bravely in Afganistan today.
We hope this ends soon and you all safely return home.
Thank you sincerely.
Lost Cause
said
Let's recognize that there is lasting peace in some parts of the world due to just wars having been fought. Yet there are other wars where peace has gone by the wayside, wars where peace was arguably never the sole objective, but control and dominance of entire nations for economic and strategic gain, nations where neither the will of the vast populace nor their militaries ever attacked or threatened those who charged in. When nations were invaded in this manner in the past, Canada did the right thing and came to their aid.
These types of wars must be openly scrutinized and talked about today because they are happening now. Surely there are voices of soldiers out there, living and dead, from Canada's past and present, who would stand with me on this view.
RIP to the countless Canadian soldiers lost in all conflicts past and present.
RIP to the countless civilians caught in the crossfire.
Peace is what this day is truly about - let us hope the world can work towards achieving it.
larry toronto
said
every war we fought in the last century was a foreign war not of our making. Now we are
at the begining of another century fighting another war not of our making. We have
gottin ourselves into a pattern of behavior that needs to be broken,and one way to
break that pattern is to make war illegal, to pass a law stating that Canada will not
attack any country that isn't attacking us,defence only,anyone giving such an order government
or millitary,will be subject to life in prison,no pardon, parole or statue of limitation.You
will note i did not mention any allies, thats because if every country in the world passed
the same law we just might achieve world peace. This law will be public domain, only we the
people can change it.
As part of the accountable government,not only should we hold the government accountable
for what they do to Canadians, but also what they do to other people in other countries.
Chris Johnson from Shanty Bay
said
jm
said
Richard Sims
said
Not once did he speak of the time he spent away from home. Not once did I thank him for the sacrifice he made for all of us.
I would like to thank him now. I would like to thank all those who gave their lives so that I, my family and my country could live in a place so free.
Thank you, Grandpa. We all miss you.
Chris Butler
said
Love
Chris
Jayroc
said
MHB
said
PrairieDog
said
I am sure that he would not want this to be a national holiday. Honouring Veterans is not about getting a day off. It isn't about a long weekend. We should honour them by remembering, by learning of what these men and women went through to give us our freedoms. When I went to school we had a full school assembly and heard Veterans speak and as a collective school, we learned exactly what they went through. If this was a "holiday" the entire meaning would be lost . How many students would actually spend the day, if not only hours realize we live in the best country on earth...thanks to the sacrifices of the people who came before us. They payed the ultimate sacrifice, not to have a holiday, but to enjoy peace and have the freedoms we enjoy. Thank you to ALL of those serving and who have served. God Bless.
John
said
Stephanie Piper
said
Love, Peace and Honor,
Stephanie Piper
Humble in memory of the fallen in Vancouver
said
Remember them with pride, honour them with your thoughts, wear your poppy!
Enjoy this special day. If not for this holiday, the others may not exist.
Canadian soldiers joined others from other countries. We stand in silence to remember them all.
Thanks will never be sufficient. We owe them our freedom!
Cpl Sagstuen CJ 1 Fd Amb
said
Starlight forever....
Canada's Heritage
said
If not for them, we would not enjoy the peace and freedom we enjoy today.
I urge all the readers on here, to take time and remember at 11am this morning. Take time, buy a poppy and wear it with pride and remember those who gave up everything, so we could have it all.
Greg
said
One thing I would like to point out though is that for the 21 years I have been serving my country (with honour) I have never missed a Rememberance Day ceremony.
But will more of our citizens actually attend the ceremony if they are given the "time off". Employers should grant employees time to attend the ceremony.
I have missed many personal and important events during my career, which my family has strongly supported on my long absences from home. And even today in Afghanistan I was proud to stand under the Canadian flag for my comrades and will continue to do so even in retirement.
All I wish to point out is, we do not consider ourselfs heroes, just normal people trying to help.
NT
said
Reece
said
It's the average citizen that is called upon to clean up the mess that incompetent leaders could not be relied upon to look after. These were not "soldiers" who fought but people like you and I...one day we are bagging combo number #3 with an upsized order of fries, then the next we are picking up a weapon to join 10 million dead soldiers - all because leadership and thought was lacking.
Peter Codling
said
Michael
said
Chris
said
Now Rob, where did you get your information that the gov't takes away the military pension at 65??? We receive our pensions right up to the day we pass on, albeit at a lower rate because old age and CPP kick in. ...
WE WILL REMEMBER THEM!!!
Heather in Ontario
said
AndyL
said
You are all heros. Thank you for fighting for our freedoms. You are men that not always do what is popular but always do what is right.
S.O in Manitoba
said
F. Lindsay, MCpl Petawawa, Ontario
said
Myself, originally a Quebecer, became a true and proud Canadian the day I saw our flag upon returning to the Canadian camp after a tough day in Kandahar.
I remember that on Remembrance day last year, my family and I drove to the ceremony at the Canadian War Memorial in Ottawa. It was a very moving ceremony but I was in shock when I noticed that there were no immigrants (except for two Asian-Canadians) present. Ottawa has a very large population of immigrants who call themselves Canadians. Where were they?
Remembrance Day is a day we honour our Canadian soldiers who serve(d) and protect(ed) this country. The same country who opened its gates to so many who came to have a better life, so many who fled war torn countries. If you really want to call Canada yours, respect those who bled so we can all enjoy freedom in this Great Nation we call Canada.
Rob
said
Gerard Bergeron
said
Ali
said
My grandchildrens' schools have Remembrance Day services; they pay tribute to our war dead and at least the kids are learning about the day and not remaining ignorant of its meaning.
Good angels fight but do not get dirty
said
I believe that all three of these people did the right thing.
Jimmy Carter said "all war is evil". I disagree. Good angels fight in the war against bad ones but do not get one bit dirty. Canadians fighting against terrorists in Afghanistan are doing the right thing.
sandie
said
Nigel (Ontario)
said
River
said
To all those who are serving and have served, thankyou and peace to you. We want you home where you belong.
William Bell
said
It is my honour again this year to be able to play the last post for the village of Stirling war veterans. I have no idea what those young men and women went through nor do I have any idea as to what todays soldiers suffer. I thank them from the bottom of my heart for what you have sacrificed for me. Every note I will play will be for you.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Prof. Pye Chartt
said
Thank you for doing what most would not. Thank you for doing what most could not. Thank you for being willing to not only make an extraordinary sacrifice in dedicating yourself to a cause prescribed by the government of your fellow citizens, but for also being willing to make the ULTIMATE sacrifice on behalf of the peace and freedom of ALL people living on this big blue marble.
We owe you never-ending honour and respect, and the promise to never forget who you are and what you've done.
From a son
said
Love you dad, always.
bren in ottawa
said
donna
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Anne Ottawa
said
Also thanks to Stela who posted the Flanders Field poem, how fitting and what a great idea. Many people, particularly new citizens such as immigrants, probably didnt even know of its existence. I get chills every time I read it, and also from its significance as probably the most famous war poem ever written. For soldiers currently serving, Moms, Dads, wives, husbands and kids of soldiers who have died, thank you for your tremendous sacrifice.
Ken
said
Cpl D Francis
said
"They shall grow not old,
As we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn,
At the going down of the sun
And in the morning
We Will Remember them."
Laurence Binyon (1869-1943)
Morgan Davidson
said
Michael (Ottawa)
said
Thank you lost ones.
Thank you Vets.
Thank you soldiers.
May all of us be more vigilant to protect it and defend it from tyranny against our freedoms, our traditions and our culture and heritage.
We will NEVER forget.
Amber
said
AK Erin
said
It is a sign of very sad times when the younger generation, and that includes the boomers, don't stop for a moment and say Thank You - because without our military, past,present, and future, they wouldn't be in the same country they are in today. Some of us do remember, some of us are connected to the military, and always will remember the losses suffered years ago and to the present day. God Bless them all and keep them safe!
kate
said
cindy
said
thank you
cindy
Stela L.
said
By John McCrae
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row by row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard among the guns below.
We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If yea break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
May God rest them in peace and as they watch us from above they know will be never forgotten,they are our pride !
Former reservist teacher, Thunder Bay
said
Our publically funded schools do teach military history (at least here in Ontario). My Gr.10 class is the middle of our WWII unit; ironically enough, we are discussing the Battles of Hong Kong and Dieppe today. We will also be holding school wide Remembrance services later this morning.
Sgt W.C. Neilly CD (Ret'd)
said
would all Canadians know why ? Would they know what a Veteran is ? Some cities &
provinces show ongoing respect to Veterans year round as in free parking for
Veteran Licence Plates. We always say the Freedoms you enjoy today are because we Veterans signed a blank cheque for you, some paying the ultimate price..
Walter Argent CD
said
W. Argent CD
Windsor
Garry
said
Remember who we are!!
Jeff
said
It's an absolute disgrace to the thousands of men & women who courageous served this country in the most horrific of times during war!
Instead Ontario gets Family Day in February. Puh-leaze!
Proud military supporter
said
To the families who's loved ones have made the ultimate sacrifice, I say thank you for raising such strong men and women that they will put themselves in harms way, never to return. Their gift is one that is taken for granted.
God bless you all and I am forever in your debt!!!
paul
said
Thank you to our veterans.
Mannie N.S
said
"Lest We Forget"
MJ
said
This is the day where the whole of Canada should be paying respect to our solders not just people working in the Government. Mr. McGuinty should have given this day as holiday instead of the Family day.
Jen
said
Shamaro
said
They came from all over Canada, from the farms, the cities to fight for the freedoms we enjoy today.
As a former soldier myself, I will remember those I served with, who are still serving in Afghanistan and as our Grandfathers and Fathers did, trying to make the lives of an impoverished people, a safer and better place.
I will remember!