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Date: Saturday Feb. 25, 2012 10:38 PM ET

OTTAWA — Canada has convened two days of international meetings in Washington next week to discuss problems around the controversial F-35 stealth fighter jet program.

The meeting comes as Defence Minister Peter MacKay and Gen. Walt Natynczyk, chief of the defence staff, both affirmed Canada's plan to buy a fleet of F-35 stealth fighter jets at a high-profile military event Friday.

Controversy has surrounded the F-35 procurement as the plane's manufacturer, the U.S. defence giant Lockheed Martin, and the Pentagon move to restructure the program for a third time.

Canada is part of a joint effort to buy the planes along with Britain, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Italy, Turkey and Australia.

Canada has been trying to set up a meeting of partner countries in advance of a scheduled meeting with Lockheed Martin set for later in March.

A well-placed Defence Department source confirmed Friday that two days of talks are set for next Thursday and Friday in Washington. The talks are expected to take place at the Canadian Embassy.

Canada proposed the meeting "to address common issues," said the source, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the procurement.

Ahead of that, MacKay and Natynczyk used a major gathering of defence insiders, analysts, diplomats and business executives to reiterate the government's support to purchase a fleet of F-35 to replace Canada's aging fleet of CF-18 jetfighters.

MacKay and Natynczyk made their pledges before an audience of hundreds at a major military conference in Ottawa.

MacKay also said the Harper government won't pay a penny more than budgeted for the fleet of 65 stealth fighter jets.

"We have been clear that we will operate within that budget," he said in a speech to the Conference of Defence Associations annual meeting.

"And we will give our air men and women the best available aircraft, which I believe is the fifth-generation, F-35 Lightning II."

The comment elicited a smattering of applause.

Natynczyk said in his speech that the fighter pilots who returned from Italy after flying in the NATO mission in support of Libya told him they want to fly the F-35.

"From my perspective and from what I know, the Joint Strike Fighter is the most capable aircraft out there and represents the best value for Canada's air force," said Natynczyk.

The Harper government insists it will pay US$75 million for each aircraft, but critics say the true cost could be more than double that.

The price tag has been the subject of heated debate in Parliament, with the government sticking to its original cost estimate.

"We will make sure the Royal Canadian Air Force has the aircraft necessary to do the dangerous and important work that we ask of them," said MacKay.

With a federal budget on the horizon, the government is planning deep spending cuts to bring down the deficit.

But MacKay affirmed the government's long-term plan to spend billions on new equipment for the Forces. He touted the recent commitment to a national shipbuilding strategy that will bring decades of work to shipyards in Nova Scotia and British Columbia.

And he said the military is looking to improve its fixed-wing, search-and-rescue capability and will be looking into the use of unmanned aerial drones.

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art
said

These fighters are not coming in on budget as the government says, so look out for the age you can draw OAS to be raised to 70 to cover the difference.


Mark
said

I support the upgrading of Canada's airforce. We are a country of 34 million yet have the 2nd largest land area. Bleeding liberals probably want this money spent on daycare or something.


adb427
said

what happened we were peace keepers?We were not peace keepers in the beginningthe librals let our armed forces become a underoutfitted military that could only do that type of work.we need a strong well outfitted force to protect this country and fulfill our nato comitment.


gary
said

Why don't we design and build our own fighter. Put men and women to work and build something that we can be proud of. We have the intelligence, we have the people and we have the raw materials. We get what we want at a great price and we are not locked into crap someone else made.


Lyam
said

Seriously you guys? Everyone on here is talking about how it could be spent better than it is. Why don't you run the country? Oh wait, people have to agree with you.

To those Vets before Air, you must realize that those Vets are saved by 'Air'. That, and Air Superiority will always win the day. (Except when faced by heavy AA)


thomas
said

Canada should support DEFENCE ONLY.

Problem solved.

Spend our money here to defend our country. But defence only.


thomas
said

NICELY SAID!

duart maclean
And just who is the enemy for whom we need these fiendish weapons? We the people are the enemy. Is anyone so naive as to think that these weapons of mass destruction have been created in order to protect our 'democracies'? There are no democracies left, except as a facade or cover-up to keep the masses in the delusion of freedom. We are now living under the control of a plutocracy. And is we the people for whom these weapons are intended.



Trunorth
said

In my 54 years on this earth I have never seen it this dangerous . I thought that when my bro wanted to join his other Canadian friends in Vietnam that was bad or the 2 gulf wars but what i see today is a need to protect north America .... with all our new found resources and rich agriculture we need nothing from others ! Let's protect our shores and give our fighters the best!!!!


Raif
said

Wasn't it President Eisenhower that told Diefenbaker in 1960 that the day of the manned fighter was over and that he had some great missiles for Canada called the Bomarc that would fill that role role well into the future. Someone forgot to tell Dief that once launched a missile couldn't be called back. We sure didn't have the wisdom of Solomon on our side way back then. Since then we've bought, the VOODOO, the F-5, the Sarfighter, and the F-18 and now the F-35. The Avro Arrow with upgrades would have been effective until 2005 negating all the previous purchases except for the F-18 and the F-35. By then though we would have had the Avro Rapier which would have superceded the 5th generation US,Russian, British, French German and Chinese fighters, and could have been upgraded to a pilotless drone for many more years of service. But that is not the Canadian way is it?


Cory Antonishyn
said

Instead of 16 F-35's how about 12 F22's. I know the Americans want them for themselves. We are your allies till the end America, Canada is your friend :) It might be considered as a solution to the faultering F-35 procurement?


Tira
said

Why do we need fighter jets? To fight a war, of course. Who's wars do we Canadians fight? Not our wars. We fight American wars for America. So we might as well by the American jets so we can fight in their wars, right? How about we stop fighting for the Americans and tend to the health, education, and retirement security of Canadians. What do we really need -- fighter jets or more police, more fire fighters, more teachers, more health care providers? But, this is a done deal folks -- Harpo and friends can't wait to sell Canada down the river. Just remember this when the election comes around next time.


mustard
said

@7Aleithia7, 5th gen fighters can't do the manuevers at slow speed like Sops do and 3rd gen Spitties pistons can pull a vertical climb quicker than an 4th gen Hornet and that Hornet will out pace that electronically expensive paint job invisible F/35 in a straight dash.


WT*
said

I do not wish my tax monies being used for attacking, killing the population and stealing natural resources of other countries. "Natynczyk said in his speech that the fighter pilots who returned from Italy after flying in the NATO mission in support of Libya told him they want to fly the F-35." - W.T.*. - It is shameful to be proud of unethical international military interventions.


Ed2
said

Why are we in Canada getting hooked into the stealth fighter game? I thought we were "peacekeepers". We used to be. What happened?


fed up
said

This is the worst aircraft for this country, Russia as it's own stealth fighter that will be coming into full operational service in about three years and so his China. The Russian fighter in comparison is faster and can fly higher and carry more weapon than the F-35 and it's cost is allot less. Also Canada could of purchase the Rafale from France that as a stealth version and at a lower price and the fighter is in high demand across the world and Canada could of had it at allot cheaper price than the American piece of junk.



7Aleithia7
said

Hornets are nice planes, but simply not in the same league. We are taking about 5th generation jets in the F-35.

Imagine saying to our ww2 pilots we have really nice Sopworth biplanes for you to fly. They can be really nice, perfectly built, nicely painted--the canvas stretched over the wings without a wrinkle, but we would be talking 2nd generation prop-driven airplanes, not 3rd generation Spitfires.


Graham_F
said

Look at it this way. The government is buying the best now so they fly the hell out of them for 30 more years before there past there prime. If you got an average jet now in 10 years you would need to re-buy. buy the best get 20-25 years out of it. its not like we don't get our money's worth look at the seaking, iltis, LSVW, or other pieces of machinery. we get it and have to use it well past its prime.


PeterWills
said

In Washington and announciing in advance they favour buying the aircraft? Why is the Canadian government shilling for a foreign company? You expect this in the Balkans but we used to be an independent country.


BrianG
said

F-35-$75 million + engine + cockpit electronics + weapons = $130 -150 million each : available ?

JAS-39 Gripen- $65 million 4+ generation fighter includes engine, cockpit electronics and weapons : available NOW.


Taylor
said

I'm glad to see Canada taking a leadership role on this issue, and I applaud our government for it. We need to replace our F-18s, and we should acquire the best fighter jets in the world.


Gord from Ottawa
said

@Retired in Burlington - if we are to get the best for our men and women in uniform, then why not Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyers for the Navy and Abrahm tanks for the Army. The problem with everyone's call for "the best" is not only the cost to buy but the greater, over the years, operation and maintenance (O&M) costs. If, for example, we had gone ahead with Brian Mulrony's nuclear submarines, the O&M costs would have bankrupted the Canadian Forces.


Joe
said

If we're really interested the safety of our fighting men/women, then why buy these fighter jets? What would be really needed are helicopters and heavy-lift aircraft. Fighter jets are the sports cars of militaries, very showy, very expensive, and very useless.


m jenkins
said

Buying these expensive fighters at a time when so many other countries are moving to inexpensive and oh so effective drones means we are behind the game big time. This is just not an efficient way to fight any more. Period.


Pippa Martins-St. Onge
said

This could be the biggest boondoggle Canada's politicians have ever involved the Country and it's fragile financial future in. I'm surprised that the media have not covered this closer given the myriad of problems with the F-35 and the ultimate cost to Canadian Tax payers.


pj
said

I agree we need some planes but with over 4.2 Billion spent all we have is a couple of really fancy paper weights. All of these planes are grounded for numerous reasons. The people who built these planes do not even know whats wrong. It's the cheapest bidder contracts for parts. If you would like to point a finger at something or put blame on anyone I would say look at where all of the parts came from

Why not build a plane with our own technology and with our own people with parts only found here
in CANADA


Mitch
said

In Canada we all support our troops , but it is ignorant to think how the Harper government wants the best for their troops as far as these jets, but are unable to help those who have served their country and have become disabled. They make it very unbearable. These suits are hippocrates. The Harper government is making seniors pay for the jets by delaying OAS by 2 years to age 67. They also decreased the CPP at age 60 by another six percent.The change in OAS will coincide with the delivery of the new jets 2020.Mitch


Peorhum
said

Making a one size fits all equipment like the Hummer works well enough in trucks but not in aircraft where you need a flight envelope that will allow the aircraft to do it's job and return to base and be able to do it all again in short order. Drop the F35 Canada

Lets get new super super hornet with the new engines thats the Raptors have.


Clansman
said

I completly agree , we should have the absolute best of ALL military equipment available for our troops. We should turn our military into a scalpel, since we can't afford to have the largest military , then we should turn it into a Tyranosaurus that strikes fear into agressors around the world , so that when they think Canada might get involved in a conflict they back down I don't believe I'm war mongering , but if there is to be deterrent against countries like Iran and N.Korea then Canada needs to step up to the plate .So far Canada has been rather mediocre in our commitment to NATO . USA and Briton have been strong allies against world agreesion, but it is clear they can't do it with just the two of them, they NEED OUR help. Not only should we be buying the absolute best military hardware for our troops, but we should be manufacturing our own , right here in Canada, supporting Canadian companies like Bombardier and Blackberry.


gagee07
said

F-35 jet is not worth it we do need a new fighter but the f-35 is way to much money over double what harper is saying it is and it has alot problems with it they even did a simulation of f-35 fighter and hornets going against the great Russian fighter they got blown oout of the sky i just think with the price to high and the problems its not worth it i think harper should look at the

dassault rafale
aurofighter typhoon





Rick W in BC
said

The issue of buying or not buying the F35 is moot, the Government has chosen this aircraft and they hold a majority. The real issue is how much is it going to cost, and spare me the $75 million price tag per aircraft propaganda since everyone else in the world except the US is going to be paying $100 million which is why they are scaling their orders back. The minister should be forthcoming and admit that the cost is going to be more than what they first told us, at worst in a responsible government can always cut back on the number of aircraft we will purchase to remain within budget. It is not their fault the cost is going up but they need to be honest about the whole thing. It is too bad that the F35 only has 1 engine instead of 2 for arctic patrols which has been policy since the late 50's but the RCAF seems to be happy with it so who am I to argue. No breach of NDA there.


duart maclean
said

And just who is the enemy for whom we need these fiendish weapons? We the people are the enemy. Is anyone so naive as to think that these weapons of mass destruction have been created in order to protect our 'democracies'? There are no democracies left, except as a facade or cover-up to keep the masses in the delusion of freedom. We are now living under the control of a plutocracy. And is we the people for whom these weapons are intended.


cal smith
said

a10's not an answer but neither is the f35 there are better aircraft out there with two engines and better suited to canadas climate...unmaned drones are the future


Retired in Burlington
said

If Canada is going to have armed forces--- army, navy and airforce and we have to put our young men and women in harms way then we should provide them with the best weapons and machinery that money can by. At one time our forces were a joke but this Gov. has been working very hard at improving the situation and we can start to hold our heads up high. Maybe now we won't have to hitch ride with the Yanks once we get some decent aircraft. Next item.... submarines that actually work.


Pilot
said

Remarkable,F/A-18E SuperHornets. A great fit and are still in production. They are now stealthy and have two engines and are totally integrated into NATO forces. Proven excellent jets and much cheaper.The aging Hornets are A models. The E's are a totally different plane.


Bulldog
said

DD, I agree with you on the fact that we need to advance are close air support capability. The Feds should be diversifying our air combat fleet with more than one platform rather than relying on one multi-role fighter. A-10s are not a bad choice, however given the economic situation in the US, Im sure we could get Apache helicopters at a great discounted price.


KC-bby
said

@Remarkable, we are not being invaded by other nations, nor are we dependent on oil imports, and we are not in the nation building business. The poster suggested an A10 because we always play a support roll in areas of conflict. Canada does not get into wars on its own - if the USA is not there then we are not there. Simple. Support roll.


Mark in Newmarket
said

@Michael Mullen: So most people don't support it. Would you prefer the government hold a referendum of Oui or Non on procurement of all military assets that we need? If we did that, than our navy would be paddling around in birch bark canoes, our air force would be flying kites from dollarama and the army would be using sling shots instead of rifles and horse and wagons for troop & equipment transport. But thank you for your military expert opinion but war and peace isn't decided on what is and what is not most popular.


Remarkable
said

@DD: Do you even know what an A-10 is? It is a short range attack aircraft only, it is not used to patrol long distances. They are used for CAS (close air support) to support ground troops, to kill and destroy tanks, troops and other enemy armour on the ground, they aren't used for air to air combat or for strategic, precision bombing. Man, where do all you civies get your military experience from? The military channell or Playstation? Our CF-18's are reaching the end of their service life, so for all you armchair military experts out there who couldn't tell the difference between LAV from a M-113, please tell me what would you buy to replace the aging Hornets? Professor Pye Chart is right, people on here think that buying new military hardware is as easy as buying cotton underwear at the retail level. Geez!


Michael McMullen
said

Re F-35's unknown acquisition and operational costs to be paid by
all Canadians for years to come
for a weapon of war a majority of whom do not support its purchase,
will someone please knock some common sense into those who do !



Gord from Ottawa
said

@ Prof Pye Chart - and what, pray tell, would be your expertise in this business. Or are you just so totally immersed in Conservative retoric that you will beleive everything they say. The stealth factor that makes this plane so expensive is of no use in the role the government tells us is its main function - a jet interceptor to protect Canadian sovereignty.


Dave CF
said

Damned if we buy; damned if we don't. For the military, this means an advantage over our enemies. Wherever the next conflict deployment is; whoever the fight is against; and whatever the reason the fight is for, I like to be the one holding the bigger gun and not use it than to be holding a BB gun and think, "...wish I have bought that bigger gun... Lets see how many limps I will come home with..."


Jeff
said

That ok Peter, when your done your holiday there, give the Canadian military a call and they will pick you up. It might be easier, that way you won't have to take a taxi to the airport.


Justin
said

Who needs F-35s anyway while you can nuke in full-scale all-out war? Look back the history of war 2000 years, who din't use the most advanced lethal weapons if they are available. Are we getting smarter or evolving backward to monkeys?

Please scrape it and return the money to public domain so that I can apply for financial assistance with zero/low interest to pay off my mountainous debt. Life will be better if we are debt free without F-35 flying around overhead. Don't you agree?


Jackson Farms
said

@ Rick in AB
Well said, Canada used to be THE leader in building attack aircraft. Thanks to Diefenbaker we have been smacked in to the dark ages.



Will
said

Hornet handler, if you really are posting from Cold Lake you are in breech of the NDA. However, since I speak with serving pilots daily (and not the trainees but actual, deployable and experienced combat pilots), I trust their judgement over yours. The F-35 is the best available to us and beats the super hornet hands down. Now get back on the line and wipe up that hydraulic leak on that airframe that is older than you.


DD
said

If you seriously consider Canada's military role in the world today, the absolute best fit aircraftwise would be to purchase mothballed A-10's and update their electronics. Save about 4 billion dollars and countless Canadian soldiers lives on the ground. Close air support close enough to identify visually who the pilot is actually shooting at. Consider it!!!


peter in mb
said

@T-rex in BC… The CF-104 Starfighter main failing was the size of its wings (small) the F-35 has got bigger delta wings. Google f-104 and you will see that the f-104 looks more like a cures missile than a fighter. Last it had a vary short service for that same reason. But that is in the past. The F-35 has been developed by 8 NATO country’s to serve in all climes and terrain.


pj
said

The endless money pit.

They rear ended this one and sold it without air testing or anything. Canada bought a concept.... one that is not working.


I want my money back,at this point we might as well rebuild the arrow.

From scratch it would be cheaper than this mess


peter in mb
said

@Hornet Handler. Have you ever heard the term a Hen in your hand is worth 2 in the bush? One good engine is better then two that fail. How many CF-18’s have fallen out of the sky with flames and engine pieces coming out their back. Lots. If the one engine fails the pilot can pull the ejection lever. Your attitude is that of someone who is afraid of change. Would you like us to build a fleet of WW2 Hawker Hurricanes or Spitfires? The city of Winnipeg squadron retired their P-51 mustangs in 1975 they were some of the last P-51s in service. Why because they were old…The modal T FORD was a great car in its day but like the CF-18 its had its time and served well. but now its time to move on from a old 4th generation fighter to a new 5th generation fighter.


Justin
said

Who needs F-35s anyway while you can nuke in full-scale all-out war? Just scrape it and save money for education and social development programs.

Look back the history of war 2000 years, who din't use the most advanced lethal weapons if they are available. If nations continue to hang around with nuke arsenals, eventually they will be used. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Either scrap/demolish all nuke arsenals completely on Earth or you will face the inevitable Armageddon.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Listening to some "experts" here, you'd think that shopping for military aircraft was as straightforward and market-driven as buying a pair of cotton underwear at the retail level, and that government and military officials don't consult with anybody with regard to best-suited machinery, they simply get their preferences from comic books and then ram the procurement through. (Spare us.)


Lindsay
said

Canada did develop its own fighter aircraft - the CF-100 and the Arrow Cf-105. The Arrow was when built the fastest jet in the world, but the Conservative government scrapped the program and had all the completed aircraft destroyed. Along with that, Canada lost its chance to be world leader in aerospace industries as the brain drain saw most of our top aerospace designers and engineers leave for the USA. Many worked for NASA.


Rick C in AB
said

I agree with bunyack. Can you say Avro Arrow ?
Quit hanging onto the Americans coattails.





mahanna ali
said

BUNYACK...we did that already...unfortunately it was with a week kneed government at the helm (liberal or conservative, i don't know...) if pm harper had been in charge at that time, the avro arrow would have been much more then a distant memory...that is pretty much a fact....


KC BC
said

Would it not be prudent to just buy fewer of these if they are good? Maybe some new F-18 's could be purchased as well, if the old ones are about o fall apart. I do not think Canadians want our pilots flying 30 year old planes when most of us would not drive a vehicle that old!


Right aircraft,maybet:Vet pensions shameful,YES
said

Take care of the wounded Vets from our just completed war first, then proceed to make war toys for the next war. I say toys, but I know all free thinking Canadians know we need a replacement aircraft, but is this even the best one? We cannot blame the choice of aircraft on the conservatives, because the Liberals were in power when we first starting putting money into F35 research and development.


Landro
said

Is McKay going in with an open mind to debate and listen to the Aussies and other's who now have solid reasons to back away, or to convince to by way over priced Arctic ineffective jets.


I guess we're just stupid
said

It's time to tell the manufacturer to hold the price, or lose ALL the orders.

Has anyone else noticed that American Business seems to have no honour, no honesty, no ethics, no integrity, no trust, or truth?

I wonder why we even do any business with these guys. I guess we're just stupid.


A Koster
said

Why in Washington at the Canadian embassy?


Reece
said

These are not true STEALTH jets unless they are used in 3rd world countries like Somalia etc. Iran, Russia, China and the USA all have technology that can track these jets with focused radar systems and bring them down quickly. In fact, Irans variant of the S300 missile system can track several targets at the same time and hit them while another missile continues on its mission unmolested. And also, stealth missiles, stealth jets, stealth boats, and more to come - it will make war so friggin lame. Is it really worth the money? Is it worth having our pensions delayed until we are 67? HELL NO!! Leave the wars to the big dogs like the USA. We are and will always be political tokens in any theatre of war.


bunyack
said

I know it's naive but i wish Canada's aviation industry would develop our own fighter aircraft...home grown so to speak. Great for our industry our nation and our pride. Pipe dream I know but...


Rick W in BC
said

I think this meeting is to discuss with the Americans and the Manufacturer exactly how much the per airframe cost is going to be instead of the $75 million price tag. As well there have been further technical issues that have caused further delays to the start date for delivery. Other countries have already scaled back the numbers they have originally ordered due to these delays and cost increases. The RCAF needs a follow up aircraft to the CF-188 but both them and the Harper Government have no plan B if the US Government either scales back or out right cancels the program due to the ballooning costs. If the Americans scale back the number of aircraft in their order, the cost will skyrocket and it does not matter what Ottawa says they think they will pay. This program has major problems in it and the US is quickly losing patience with it and the high cost. The only good thing is that we have not signed a firm contract yet so if we are forced to cancel out due to cost we won't have to pay a fortune.


Hornet Handler
said

Really Will? You get your info from the pilots? As a Hornet technician I can affirm that the pilots and techs DO NOT want the F35. It is a single engine fighter with no proven cold weather operations. I have seen countless incidents where the CF-18 has had to land with only one engine. How on earth will they do that if the one and only engine craters?


Straight Up - Ottawa
said

Funny think Gordon our son in law has a neighbour who is a Major in the Forces here and he believes that these plans the F35's will be good for Canada..strange comments...


Roxy
said

I am not presuming to question the merits of one fighter jet over another but , as a tax payer , I do question the need for purchasing fighter jets at all . I do not see Canada as being under an " existential threat ", now or into the future ... The fighter jets would only be used to enforce threats accomodating the foreign policy decisions formulated & made by other countries . The dollars that will be spent on buying & maintaining those aircraft , the salaries , uniforms , armaments , guns & bullets , would be far better spnt on assisting the poor & marginalized in Canada & elsewhere ...


T-rex in BC
said

Have Defence Minister Peter MacKay and Gen. Walt Natynczyk asked the men and women of the Royal Canadian Air Force who maintain and drive the aging Hornets what they think should be the replacement? After all, this sensative decision will ultimately effect their lives. nowing the F-35 is a single engine aircraft, what do the spouses of the pilots think of this? Especially knowing the nickname of the F-104 that we had; 'lawn-dart' and 'widowmaker' come to mind.


Gord from Ottawa
said

I may not know the inside of an F-35, but I spent enough years in and out of the military to understand defence procurement and this one stinks. If you pay attention to the Harper government, when they talk about their success in defence procurement, it is all about C-5s, new C-130s and transport helicopters. All of these programs were sole sourced at the behest of the air force. Their fixed wing SAR aircraft project was shelved because there was too much controversy about the plan to sole source it as well. Sole sourcing means you have no power to negotiate or demand price breaks or work for Canada. Although the government talks about big bucks from Canadian content in the F-35, the truth is that we have no guarantee of any work from the program. Every other country wanting the F-35 is also going to be bidding on such work. And Americans in their current economic state are not going to be too quick on letting a lot of this work go to others. That is what is wrong about the F-35 purchase.


Will
said

The problem with the price is how public works insists on calculating it. Instead of the price per airframe plus spare parts etc being the total, they insist on including costs that are static and will be there no matter what aircraft is purchased if any: pilot salaries, technician salaries, cost fo the hanger, cost of the tarmac & runways, cost of fuel etc during the entire projected lifetime of the aircraft, even the cost of munitions it will carry. This creates a false price quote vastly higher than reality. That aside, the F35 remains the best choice for Canada, and I get my info from the pilots not some fool in the basement of the student union building of a local university.


MarkinTO
said

@Eff Thurdeefyv in ONT our capable military experts also swoon over the terribly flawed Victoria class subs. When every defense organization is saying that this plane has problems, it's time to face reality. The F-35 just is not a good fit for Canada and it might not even see service with the Americans at this rate. Canada does not need stealth interceptors that have questionable stealth capability since the capture of the RQ-170 drone by the Iranians.


Jim
said

I have no problem with the gov't purchasing new fighters. However, what bothers me is our gov't history of buying any line of b.s. the U.S. shovels (NAFTA anyone?). These planes are unproven to date, but based on past examples we'll buy them anyway.


Gene Cernan
said

The purchase of these aircraft are essential to Canada's sovereignty, unfortunately we are only going to be purchasing 65 of them. With the vast size of Canada's airspace, we need the best equipment available for our men and women of the airforce to carry out each mission, each sortie that they fly. As the Arctic opens up, more patrols of our northern territories will need to be made, especially with the Russians who are becoming more and more militarily aggressive in the Arctic region. If anyone thinks that just by trying to keep an open diologue with the Russians is the only means in which we will be able to passify the Russians, well think again, it doesn't work.


Len
said

We can host a meeting all we want. Point is: no one denies that we have to replace the existing jets we have at the present. It is the process that has been rammed down our throats all along - we must buy the most expensive; we don't need to tender out for these purchases; we will only pay the original cost (bs); we know best (sure that the air force had a say but then, they naturally want the Cadillac); and most other places and countries are scaling back their initial dream list. Does one think that our PM is able to convince every country to do as he wants?


Mark in Newmarket
said

Canada has finally put together a proactive plan that will keep our armed forces properly equiped unlike governments of the past (Liberals) who would hack and slash defence spending and allowing equipment to get old and break down and letting equipment to go years beyond their life expectancy. Now there is a plan in place that will have equipment being made and ready by the time the assets that are presently being used reach their maximum life expectancy.


Ian in Oshawa
said

I still say that $10Bn is better spent on new equipment for ground troops as they're the ones who are ending up doing most of the fighting and dying. What if you could inject the Integrated Soldier System Project (Canada's Future Soldier project) with another $10 Billion. Or even helicopters, we could do a lot with some brand new Apache helicopters. I'm just saying that it's money better spent elsewhere.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

I wish I had the contract to supply gold cocktail swizzle-sticks in the shape of F-35s for the event. Oh, well.


Wayne
said

Im glad Canada is finally standing up and saying they will not pay more than what wa agreed upon inittially. Wayne to go McKay. Thumbs up.


Bill
said

If we are the hosts why is it taking place in Washington? More MSM globalist conditioning for the sheep. Thankfully when they now try the Orwellian language it backfires and further ingrains into millions of awakened minds what the New world Order agenda is all about and how to oppose it.


Eff Thurdeefyv in ONT
said

Now comes the crusade of Nay Sayers whos expertise on the subject of fighter jets is based on the numerous times they flew with West Jet and Air Canada to a warmer climate, all inclusive resort. I prefer to leave this in the hands of our more than capable defence experts.


Jets need to lower than Vets on the priority list!
said

Americans place Vet care before new Jets, so should we! Maybe Mr Harper can get some pointers on how to treat wounded war Vets while he is in the United States. Americans are very proud of their Vets, and have excellent pension and benefit programs for Vets wounded in Combat, ie GI Program. In Canada, over the past 7 years, we have slashed injured benefits by 50%, while our troops were engaged in a full on 10 year long combat mission, no doubt creating many new injured Vets. Canada raised the qualifying levels to receive any medical pension, and if you were wounded enough to still qualify, the benefits are only worth 50% of what they were in 2005 and all previous years!


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