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A Suncor oilsands mine facility seen from the air near Fort McMurray, Alta., Monday, Sept. 19, 2011. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS) This aerial photo shows a tar sands mine facility near Fort McMurray, in Alberta, Canada. Alberta has the world's third-largest oil reserves after Saudi Arabia and Venezuela - more than 170 billion barrels. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Oilsands Image.

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A Suncor oilsands mine facility seen from the air near Fort McMurray, Alta., Monday, Sept. 19, 2011. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS) This aerial photo shows a tar sands mine facility near Fort McMurray, in Alberta, Canada. Alberta has the world's third-largest oil reserves after Saudi Arabia and Venezuela - more than 170 billion barrels. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Oilsands Image.

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Date: Thu. Feb. 23 2012 10:42 PM ET

A European Union plan to classify oilsands crude oil as dirtier than other forms of fuel has been blocked after key Canadian allies abstained from a crucial vote on Thursday.

The EU plan was aimed at curbing emissions from transport fuels by 10 per cent and it classified oilsands fuel as more harmful to the environment than other sources of energy.

But Britain, France and the Netherlands – countries with oil companies that have invested in Alberta's oilsands -- abstained from the vote as did Germany. The plan now goes to a committee of European ministers and another vote is planned for later in the spring.

Canada lobbied hard against the plan for months in Europe. It even threatened to take the EU to the World Trade Organization if it singled out oilsands crude as dirty.

Canada is concerned that an EU vote against oilsands crude could prompt other regions to follow suit, potentially reducing markets. The EU vote was largely symbolic as very little Canadian oil makes it to Europe.

Ottawa was relieved at the vote. "We are pleased to see that many EU countries are opposed to this discriminatory measure," Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver said in a statement Thursday. Oliver criticized the science behind the EU plan.

"We are working to determine what the next steps will be. We remain strongly opposed to Canadian oil sands crude being unfairly discriminated against without scientific justification."

CTV's London correspondent Ben O'Hara-Byrne told CTV's Canada AM that the EU vote, if it passes, could have a snowball effect.

"What I think Canada wants to avoid here is having oilsands oil deemed dirtier than other forms of oil by a body as important and as influential as the European Union," O'Hara-Byrne said.

"The EU is obviously a trailblazer in many of these issues when it comes to standards. "It's a standard the rest of the world may start looking at. That could include United States. It could include other parts of the world as well."

Petroleum analyst Michael Ervin told CTV's Canada AM that Canada does not want to be seen as a dirty oil producer.

"The Canadian government does not want to see that sort of label put on Western Canadian crude coming from the oilsands," Ervin said. "That may create an initiative on the part of other countries, a precedent, to label Western Canadian crude in the same way."

The EU proposal assigns greenhouse gas emission values to different sources of fuel. Canada's key concern is that oilsands crude is placed in a separate category, with a value that's 23 per cent higher than conventional oil.

David Plunkett, Canada's ambassador to the EU, sent a letter to the EU commission for climate action that Canada, warning that Canada will not accept oilsands crude being "singled out."

He also warned that Canada will explore "every avenue" to defend its interests.

The vote on the directive came days after an analysis by a Canadian scientist found emissions from Alberta's oilsands are unlikely to make a big difference to global warming and that the real threat to the planet comes from burning coal.

Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria professor, and his colleague Neil Swart analyzed how burning all global stocks of coal, oil and natural gas would affect temperatures.

In a paper published in the prestigious Nature journal, they found that burning all of the world's coal deposits would increase the global temperature by 15 degrees Celsius.

By contrast, if all the hydrocarbons in the oilsands were mined and consumed, the global temperatures would rise by about 0.36 degrees, according to Weaver and Swart's calculations

The EU proposal would represent another blow to Canada's Alberta oil patach.

The Keystone XL pipeline proposal, to carry oil from Alberta to Texas, was recently put in jeopardy when U.S. President Barack Obama delayed any decision on the project until after the 2012 election.

Since then Canada has focused on the possibility of a Northern Gateway pipeline, which would instead carry oil from Alberta to the West Coast, making it more accessible to customers in China.

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Sailor Girl
said

Neil Swart claimed last week that "he chose the area of study out of personal interest". Now, this news reveals Swart's and Weaver's study is being used by the Canadian government as "a negotiation tool " with EU. So, I was right there were 'motives' beyond personal interests and research was paid by NSERC? One of my UBC professors once said: "He workd for Canadian Government - provincial and federal." He was frustrated over limitations.


Ken from Alberta
said

I say the EU should proceed with this labeling. The tar sands ARE destructive. 125 bears were shot and killed recently because they happen to stray into the oil field area. The pollution in horrible, and the idustry does NOTHING to enhance the lives of people. I live in Alberta, and can say first hand that the oil wealth does not flow down to the people, but rather into the pockets of the conservative government and the oil company presidents.


S in Vancouver
said

I find it incredibly disturbing that not a single commenter here has discussed the science behind the EU's argument. Instead, I see absolute nonsense, the usual braindead political soapboxing, and "mind your own business". From where I'm sitting, you think Europe is wrong and Canada is right because you're from Canada, not because the EU's argument is well-founded on nonsensical. Gives your heads a shake.


Evan in Athabasca
said

Why, when Oilsands is mentioned, we show open pit mining. The future is SAGD. Show those pictures and help the cause!!Education, knowledge, change minds!


John ON
said

Europe is much better off getting all that clean oil from the Middle East. Even better, why not just get their oil from European companies like British Petroleum, deep sea drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.


Les in Abby
said

If Canada stop selling oil from Alberta, tax revenues will drop forcing the government to reduce welfare rates which the protesters collect...


W from Alberta
said

Several comments on this board are short sighted, the facts;1. Not selling our oil to other countries will hamper our economy and cut the taxes the government earns and will do nothing to change the price of gas at the pumps, that price is set by market rates not how much we sell internationally2. Oil Sands not Tar Sands3. More birds die anually from wind farms in canada than from the Oil Sands production4. Oil Sands activities do require more energy to produce so more C02 is produced however Oils Sands is a much richer base stock and many other chemicals used globally are produced making it a more valuable commodity overall.5. The taxes and sales money collected due to Oil Sands keeps much of the rest of Canada above the economic water line, in the form of transfer payments.6. There is so much other work in western Canada due to the Oil Sands that many of you do not know about.7. Lastly if you go to many northern rivers as I have and in areas where Oil Sands production has occured and currently does not occur you can actually see the oil seeping through the ground into the water, everywhere, this is a natural process that has been happening for millenia


Guelph Observer
said

Jason, I don't believe that the term 'tar' specifically refers to a 'man made' product. Tar is another name for bitumen and bitumen is the material that is found in those sands around Fort McMurray. The oil industry used to call that material 'tars sands' in the early days of operations but I suspect that some high priced PR consultant told them to change the name to make the product sound more benign. I found the following definition at the Argonne National Lab site: "Tar sands are a combination of clay, sand, water, and bitumen, a heavy black viscous oil".


Marty in P.A.
said

AHHHHHHHHHH!!! Enough already. Keep our oil sands here and lower the cost of fuel at the pumps. And why must gas prices jump at leaps and bounds, but only trickle down... If other nations are against oil sands, don't fight them, let us benefit.


PBW
said

This will keep on going back to a vote until the Eurocrats - not the elected representatives from each of the EU nations - get the result they want. And they want Canadian Oil Sands oil declared "dirty". Notice that the big players in Europe abstained; especially note that the financial powerhouse of Europe, Germany, abstained. If Germany finally decides to vote against, how many others will too, just to keep their financial options open with the only European nation that can support them if they run short of cash? And we think that Canadian bureaucracy is bad!


Jim in Ottawa
said

Geez, with all of the real problems in Europe such as their declining birth rate, negative economic growth, insurmoutable debts, and loss of pristige, that the EU would have much more important things to worry about than Canadian oilsands. Alas, this lack of focus on important things is such a big reason why the EU is stuck in the funk they are in.


Melli
said

I find it hilarious that Europe or the USA for that matter wants to bite off the hand that feeds it. Here we are, a cuddly democratic society being slammed over the energy requirements to extract oil out of the oil sands, and yet, European oil companies have managed to roast vast swaths of oceans with their oil spills...go figure.


Practical Sam
said

The argument by environmentalists that this oil is somehow "dirty" or "toxic" is a bunch of bunk. In reality, it is actually somewhat cleaner than normal oil. Here's why: 1) The tar sands is essentially a massive trillion-barrel oil spill put there by nature. As the oil lies in sand right near or at the surface, some of the lighter ingredients have evaporated out from the sands and into the atmosphere. (i.e. - Pour a litre of engine oil on your driveway and in a few days it will become viscous and tarry because some of it has evaporated). What's left is the heavier ingredients so it is "heavier" oil. Those lighter ingredients included some toxins that simply aren't there anymore, so what is left should be less dirty or toxic, shouldn't it?


Toupie in Calgaree
said

All these environuts disinformation campaigns need to be responded too with US style attack adds in their home media. Start with filthy European coal. Then filthy US coal fired electric generation. This could be payed for by a responsible enviro energy export tax on the electricity, natural gas and conventional oil going to the US market.


A Man From Canada
said

Oh man, do Europeans ever stop whining? They are so good at pointing out everyone elses short comings but they believe that they are so high and mighty. As it is written, "take the log out of your own eye so you can remove the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye", that is what Europe should do before pointing fingers and labelling others. While Europe continues to burn coal at an alarming rate, they have the gull to call our oil dirty. If I am right, doesn't coal emmit more poisonous gas emmissions than oil? Isn't it 10 times more harmful to the environment? I think a few of these Euro's have their neck ties just a little too tight, causing a lack of blood and oxygen to their brain.


Jane
said

Who are the people representing the European Union? Yes, I know, this information is on the internet. But are these experienced people or just people who are being lobbyed? And, now many of these people would survive without products produced from the oil produced around the world? As for the Greenpeacers, what is their mode of transportation, etc. You just have to shake your head at this whole issue!


Michael from the real world
said

The Europeans are in NO position to judge Canada. Frank, your comment makes no sense [how do you bribe an entire government?--you do realize that this is an inter-governmental vote, don't you?, don't you?]


raj
said

Most of the EU burn coal, a lot of coal So good luck with that!


ron p.eng
said

if tarsand oil is dirty, so is oil from offshore drilling{gulf coast disaster}. for that mater any oil transported by ships. how many spills occur every hour worldwide? also oil from hydro fractured wells and water flood wells contaminates vast amounts of clean water. oil from some countries {nigeria} that have no polution laws is far dirtier than others. if you classify tarsand oil, then you must look at and classify all the other sources of oil as well,


Frank
said

I'm just wondering how much money was in the brown bag from Oil Companies to the officials of the UK, France and Netherlands?


GHW
said

Extracting crude from the oil sands does produce a bit more CO2 and even if you buy into the lie of the resulting global disaster the fact is there is no alternative energy to replace oil. No there is not! Don't let the Greenpeacers fool you, do the math, global economies need massive amounts of energy. The only thing that will change this FACT is the discovery of fusion energy, not likely, or global economic collapse and war. The world can easily cope with rising CO2 levels, the sky will not fall. This was never the real issue. There is a political agenda being pushed on the unsuspecting masses. Europe is a hot bed for this political battle. Fortunately the EU political model, left nanny state government, is once again proving to be the failure it always has been. Communism does not work. Oil is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Don't be deceived, Europe and anyone else buying into nanny-state politics (NDP) is going down. The balanced center is the place to be. God bless Canada.


Jon in Burlington
said

who cares what the EU says, they don't get one drop of oil from Canada, heck we in Eastern Canada don't get any of our oil which is a shame.No. they would rather get their oil from wonderful friendly and courteous counties like Iran, Iraq, UAE etc. What can you expect from the EU, and their socialist attitude, they countries are swimming in debt , and want us to help float the PIGS and this is their focus, our Oil????


Rick
said

Who cares what Europe says about Canadian oil. They don't purchase any and no facilities are in place to sell them any. If they don't like the oil are they going to continue not buying any.


Toyotabluesue
said

We have a source of oil that we can refine to produce the fuel that our country needs. It is easy to get to and a stable source to access with modern technology. Alberta's oil sands companies provide jobs that support millions of people. The infrastructure alone is huge and it requires a variety of other businesses with multiple specialty services to support and keep the system in tip top shape. Oil sands mining in Fort McMurray's open pit system is time limited. Once the easy to get to areas are mined out, they are then filled in with the saved top soil and reclaimed. Yes, this takes time, but it is being done. Just watch some of the Syncrude videos. Can you say the same for the USA's mining of entire hilltops for coal to be reclaimed when they are done "extracting" the coal?
What will you use when your Arab "bloody" oil is gone?
EU go mind your own business. We don't need your rules or shoddy guidelines to tell us Canadians how to run our country.



A Koster
said

@sherry.. the oil sands are hardly a speck on the Canada map.. go to ERCB (Energy Resouces Conservation board and ask for a map of the oilsands.. one quarter of Alberta ?


Jason
said

Guelph Observer

It's not tar. Tar is man made. The oil sands are a natural occurance.

The use of the term "tar sands" is limited to environmental lobbyists and everytime I hear it I immediately discount what they are saying because they are misleading the public with the terminology.



Gary
said

Well I guess they can call it dirty or whatever they want , but they will buy it anyway now that Iran cut off some of them. Maybe if they complain to much maybe we should cut them off and seek other markets


Mark in Newmarket
said

Who needs Europe, they can call our oil dirty water for all I care. I find these 2nd rate hypocrites to be hilarious because apparently European Coal is considered cleaner than oil. Go figure! Just remember folks, the Eu means nothing to us, they need us more than we need them. They are very large consumers of oil products, but now that Iran has told them to go fly a kite they have probably figured out they are going to eventually need our oil, so they may change the terminology on what they call dirty. If anyone has ever been to Europe you can see just how polluted their air is, their water, tree's were dying off because of their pollution. Canada has the 2nd best air quality in the world, these guys need to take a good long look in the mirror.


alma
said

who cares what the EU thinks. they don't buy our oil or gas from us. they should mind their own business and concentrate on their own countries messes. they sure jump on board are all friendly with the U.S. and us when one of their pathetic countries is in trouble. like what's up with that


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
said

On an all-in basis i.e. from inception to final usage oil from the oil sands in not significantly more polluting than conventional oil. Additionally some scientists believe that burning coal is the biggest CO2 problem and the U.S. and China are the biggest culprits on that front. The E.U. has proven in the last several years that they have cornered the market on dumb decisions so I'm not sure their judgement on anything is really important. The most serious negative from oilsands development, in my opinion, is the degrading of the land and the possible water pollution. Alberta must be much more diligent in monitoring these factors than worrying what some bureaucrats in Brussels have to say. We owe it to our own citizens to carefully evaluate the oil sands operations on a continuing basis.


George
said

I can't believe the whiners on here the tar sands is dirtier oil. we've already got a deal to trade Panda's for oil to China so it doesn't really matter.


Marisha
said

Whats a matter with these guys (the EU)????????

The EU has invested $$ into the Oilsands now they want to classify it as dirty???

Canadian Trade and Investment Activity: Canada–European Union

The EU was a net investor in Canada in the energy and mining industry in 2008, the most recent year for which data are available. This was due in part to a relatively strong European presence in Alberta’s oil sands. Canada, meanwhile, was a net investor in the EU in the finance and insurance industry in that year.





MikeW
said

Here's a big who gives a damn. Proclaim it dirty, it will have no impact. Asia is more than happy to take as much oil as we can provide the them. And for those who have an issue with the tar sand oil, you better give it some good thought. Take this off the market and watch oil go to $ 150 - $ 200 a barrel and gas at $ 2.00 a liter plus. Ya i guess its not so dirty now


Guelph Observer
said

Mark - Alberta, I'm not parroting anyone, I'm just citing the facts and if the Alberta tar industry is totally honest they will agree with me. It takes more energy to dig-up, extract, transport, clean and separate the sand and refine that tar into a usable end product. That's why it only becomes profitable to exploit those tar sands when oil prices are in the range of what they are today...


KC BC
said

Canada has every right to go to the WTO for a ruling on this matter. Good for the government for reminding the EU about that. Of course it is all rhetoric at this stage. We will hear of of possible tariffs on EU imports(which I totally agree with) andother actions. Probably a resolution will be worked out behind the scenes. This is no big deal....Asia will take all of our oil and Keystone XL will go ahead eventually. In the mean time Warren Buffet's Burlington Northern will haul the crude south. There is money to be made by friends of the American president!!


Camwest
said

We are burning natural gas to get the oil out. If the EU puts a ban on the oil from Canada, maybe they should put a ban on all the goods manufactured in China using even dirtier COAL!!! The EU is financially bankrupt and has lost their grasp of reality.


Dano
said

The European Latte Lefties would rather buy their oil from Iran.


Mark - Alberta
said

Jimminy Cricket said "Harper plans on driving the price of oil through the roof selling it to China. He cares nothing for the average Canadian, only the oil companies."Another typical simplistic comment blaming Harper again for anything. Like any good leader should do, Harper is trying to find markets for Canadian products and instead he gets condemned for it. Do you even realize how much money the oil sands produces for all of Canada? Alberta pays about $13 billion into equalization every single year and that goes to have-not provinces like Quebec and now Ontario. It's a joke how Alberta is the driving economy of the country and yet we are condemned for it while we pay the bills of other provinces.


Mark - Alberta
said

Guelph Observer said "The fact is that the tar sands are dirtier - it takes more energy to turn that dirty tar into a usable end product."Have you been to see the oil sands or just parroting what enviromental groups have been saying and writing? I'm amazed that people from other provinces and even other countries are now self proclaimed experts on the oil sands without even seeing them. I guess that makes me an expert on the polluted Great Lakes because I read how polluted they really are.


justme
said

Keep the hell out of Canada's business, Lord knows that you already screwed up the United Nations. Your record in the world speaks for it self.


Guelph Observer
said

The fact is that the tar sands are dirtier - it takes more energy to turn that dirty tar into a usable end product.


Bob fr Pet
said

So that tells me that they (EU) shut oil down from Iran, and now Canada. I guess if the Russians turn it off they'll freeze in the dark? They sure liked our help or resources from 1914 to 18 and from 39 to 45, (those of our allies that is). Oh well it's their loss.


Salt and Vinegar
said

It is time to ban European wines from Canada. They are over rated and I would not miss them.


Acroyear
said

Well over 100,000 Canadians died to help save Europe from itself in the two World Wars...every time we have asked for any sort of help in return, from economic, to military to anything else we have been treated like the deformed cousin they'd rather not hear from. I for one am tied of that...time we looked aware from the EU and it's attitudes towards and look around for others to do business with. Don't want our oil? Fair enough...I'm sure China and India would love a discount.


Canadian Bob
said

A grading system for the environmental impact of oil production makes complete sense. It is too bad this did not pass, however within a short period of time I suspect we will see more products worldwide marked in a manner that allows us all to make informed, conscientiousness decisions prior to purchasing products that have derived from environmentally harmful production processes. What Harper and those who choose to turn their eyes away from reality believe is irrelevant. It's what the consumers believe and understand based on education and fact that will determine the success or ultimate failure of the oilsands.


KEVIN
said

dirtier than supplying terrorist groups with money; dirtier than crushing women's rights in Saudi Arabia; dirtier than the burnoffs in Lybia and Sudan; dirtier than untold human rights violations in China; dirtier than...the list could go on and on... Give your head a shake EU and start looking at where you get your oil from before pointing the finger at us.


SK Ecologist
said

'Science justifies the proposal'??? - what utter garbage...much of the 'science' comes from self-serving social engineers masquerading as scientists and bolstered by the biased media of this country and the US...for example, the study on boreal songbirds was a one-sided document that only selected data that supported their foregone conclusions...only other scientists would know that and no one dares speak out...


Jimminy Cricket
said

Don't be so gullible people. If the EU classifies Canadian oil as "dirty" it will be the best scenario possible for Canadians at the pumps. Prices are related to supply and demand so if there is a lower demand for Canadian oil then the price will drop. Harper plans on driving the price of oil through the roof selling it to China. He cares nothing for the average Canadian, only the oil companies.


One Canadian
said

Here is an idea Europe, mind your own business !!!


Dean in Abby
said

If the EU doesn't want or boycotts our oil, I'm sure there are things we can boycott or do without from that region too. They will need oil as badly as anyone else so it's best they play ball.


Gerry
said

What not enough $$$ from All Gore and G.Soros to make the vote pass cut a bigger cheque next time boys or shut up.


Sherry
said

Good decision to stay the idea that Canada's oil is bad. I mean come on, the oil sands projects are but just a speck in terms of geography of Canada. I have no problems polluting a tiny speck of Canada for the benefit of jobs and making Canada great. Oh, and if someone suggests that ducks are being killed, whoop de doo ... we got lots of ducks and geese to fill the void of a few that get bogged in the oil sands.


Steph
said

And we can call the EU's financial mess "dirtier" than ours, we have the facts and "they" can adopt our standards. We could also keep the oil for ourself and watch the EU kissing the arab communities arses when their own is starting to get cold!


dugtheslug
said

Science aside, until we figure out how to shift the world away from oil, we are stuck with a growing demand. Oil from Canada is going to become a necessity in the not too distant future. I think the EU is smart enough to know where the political rhetoric and reality delineate. Once they have made their point, they will "reluctantly" accept the fact that they will need Canadian oil going forward into the next 100 years. Although, we might just have sold our soul to the Chinese in the meantime due to impatience.


Will
said

One of the few decisions of the EU that are worthwhile. The entire proposal was stupid to begin with.


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