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Public Safety Minister Vic Toews (left)and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson take part in a news conference to announce measures protecting children from internet predators, in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. (Fred Chartrand / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Public Safety Minister Vic Toews addresses the media in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. Justice Minister Rob Nicholson addresses the media in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. NDP MP Charlie Angus speaks to the media in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. Computer Public Safety Minister Vic Toews addresses the media in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012.

Online surveillance bill will fight cyber crime: minister

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CTV National News: New powers for police
The government's new online surveillance law will give officers new powers to crack down on Internet predators. But critics say the new legislation violates the privacy of innocent Canadians. Richard Madan has more details.
CTV National News: Privacy in jeopardy
CTV's tech specialist Kris Abel discusses the new legislation and which other countries have this type of law in place and how it differs.
Power Play: Helping to prevent child pornography?
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews says child pornography is proliferating on the Internet, and explains the current legislation does nothing to prevent the situation.
Power Play: Privacy commissioner has deep concerns
Chantal Bernier, assistant privacy commissioner, says they have one outstanding concern with the online surveillance bill, and that is the access to personal information without a warrant.
National Affairs: Cracking down on cyber crime
Paul Gillespie, CEO of Kinsa Kids'' Internet Safety Alliance, discusses whether the new bill on internet surveillance goes too far.
National Affairs: Attack on civil liberties?
Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, expresses his concerns with the legislation, and says privacy protection will no longer exist.
CTV News Channel: 'Police, gov't have no right'
Ann Cavoukian, Ontario's privacy commissioner, says the government and police have no right to access your private online data without cause.
Question period: Opposition blasts online bill
Turmel questions whether the ministers' messages are being controlled by Harper and Rae asks the prime minister whether he believes people who disagree with the bill are like Hitler.
CTV News Channel: Vic Toews, minister
The public safety minister explains how the new legislation will work and discusses flaws with the current law.
CTV News Channel: Rob Nicholson, minister
The justice minister discusses the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act and says it will allow law enforcement to combat crime more easily.
CTV News Channel: NDP blasts access bill
New Democrat Charlie Angus says the Conservatives' plan will not update the law to keep up with the times, as it will essentially undermine basic Canadian rights and long standing privacy provisions.
CTV News Channel: Access without a warrant?
Merella Fernandez says the public safety minister made controversial remarks when he said those who do not support federal plans will be siding with child pornographers.

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Public Safety Minister Vic Toews (left)and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson take part in a news conference to announce measures protecting children from internet predators, in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. (Fred Chartrand / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Public Safety Minister Vic Toews addresses the media in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. Justice Minister Rob Nicholson addresses the media in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. NDP MP Charlie Angus speaks to the media in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012. Computer Public Safety Minister Vic Toews addresses the media in Ottawa, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012.

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Date: Tue. Feb. 14 2012 11:20 PM ET

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews says new legislation to make it easier for law enforcement to conduct electronic surveillance "will slow down the proliferation of child pornography," but the Opposition charges the bill will allow the government to spy on ordinary Canadians' online activities.

Toews tabled the legislation, called the "Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act," on Tuesday.

He said the bill would require telecommunications service providers to implement and maintain systems by which they can monitor and intercept communications, as well as systems to allow them to more quickly respond to requests for basic subscriber information from law enforcement agencies.

The legislation also outlines six pieces of basic personal information that telecom service providers will now be required to hand over to law enforcement without a warrant, including a name and address tied to a particular ISP address that police are investigating.

Toews told CTV's Power Play that current laws do little to prevent child pornography from proliferating.

"We need to put an end to it," Toews said.

He added that information telecom providers would be required to give to police are basic details that will then allow officers to obtain warrants.

"Without a warrant, police are not allowed to look at the contents of any email and nor are they allowed to follow you on the web," Toews said.

Toews pointed out that the law contains oversight mechanisms, which require police to compile information about these types of requests and how they have used the information, and issue reports to the relevant government ministers.

But the New Democrats said they see no justification for the new legislation allowing for expanded online monitoring powers.

After the bill was tabled, NDP MP Charlie Angus charged that, with the legislation, the government is breaking a promise made before the last election that it would not support "spying on Canadians without judicial oversight."

Angus said he understands that cyber crime is a growing concern, and said his party wants to make sure law enforcement agencies have the tools they need.

But he said his party also wants to ensure that Canadians' rights to privacy and judicial oversight are protected.

During question period in the House of Commons, Angus said the bill was akin to "putting an electronic prisoner's bracelet on everyone with a cellphone," and accused the government of treating law-abiding citizens "like criminals" by tracking their online activity.

Toews fired back, saying Angus's accusations were "false."

"There is nothing in the bill that allows the police to snoop on individual private conversations or even to follow a person's activities on the web," he said. "All that has to be done is through a judicially authorized warrant."

Government defends bill

Toews said during a news conference the bill does not allow the government to monitor private conversations, web activity or emails of Canadians without a warrant. And it will not allow police to look at the substance of an email or follow someone's Internet use without a warrant.

Toews said law enforcement agencies have been hampered during investigations, particularly into child pornography and abductions, by differing technological capabilities and policies for sharing information of telecomm service providers (TSPs).

Toews said there have been instances when law enforcement or national security agencies "have the lawful authority to intercept communication," but have been prevented from doing so by a lack of capacity on the part of the ISPs.

Paul Gillespie, president and CEO of the Kids Internet Safety Alliance and a former investigator with the Toronto police child exploitation centre, said the legislation would require telecom service providers to keep up with technological innovations that allow criminals to stay under police radar.

He said the basic information police could obtain without a warrant would be key to beginning to build a case against an online predator.

"This expedites things, and the reason it's important is because on the Internet we're seeing thousands of such cases coming to light these days, and we've seen it almost grow out of control," Gillespie told CTV's National Affairs.

"And if we don't increase the response or at least help law enforcement move a little quicker in some of these cases, we're just sort of chasing our tails."

Gillespie said the court system will always hold police accountable for how they obtain and use the information, because judges have the authority to determine if investigators "acted legally and lawfully and in good faith."

But Michael Geist, a University of Ottawa law professor and an expert on privacy issues, said most telecom service providers already comply with requests for basic subscriber information.

Geist said the search warrant process ensures oversight during investigations, and mandating that providers hand over subscriber information removes that system of check and balance.

"That's the kind of privacy protection that exists within the law today. It's the kind of privacy protection that courts who have looked at this issue in any number of different cases, not just in crime cases but also dealing with things like copyright, have said that's how we try to strike a balance," Geist told National Affairs.

On Monday, Toews sparked outrage among the opposition parties when he told a Liberal MP during question period that not supporting the legislation would be akin to siding with child pornographers.

When asked about Toews' quote, Angus told reporters earlier Tuesday the minister should "stop hiding behind the bogeyman."

"I think Vic Toews has besmirched his reputation as a minister. I think he needs to be honest with Canadians," Angus said. "And if this government wants to tell the Conservative base, if they want to tell average Canadians that they think it's okay to spy on every activity of the Canadian public on the Internet, well he should have the guts to come out and say that."

Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart has also expressed concerns over previous incarnations of the legislation.

Stoddart has said she is particularly troubled by provisions that would allow police to access Internet subscriber information without first getting permission from a court.

Assistant privacy commissioner Chantal Bernier said she is still unclear exactly under what circumstances police can obtain information without a warrant.

"It doesn't say why the police can ask, it doesn't speak of the circumstances, it is not subject to judicial oversight. So really it is quite limitless," Bernier told Power Play. "We need to see why this seems to be needed and why couldn't we tailor it to certain circumstances, such as the suspicion of criminal activity?"

With files from The Canadian Press

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Chris, Alberta
said

Under the Conservatives, the power of the government is vastly increasing and the rights of the individual are being destroyed. The irony is that the invasion of privacy with the gun registry was minimal compared to this huge intrusion without warrant or transparent oversight. I do NOT trust this government to use these powers ethically or honestly.


Will
said

So many fools tilting at windmills of their own imaginations. There is nothing in this bill (I have read it carefully) that is an invasion of privacy or anything else. If you think of the internet as what it really is, then this is nothing more than the telephone company telling the authorities who a phone number belongs to........and that is entirely LEGAL AND PROPER.

mghansel
said

This is not about protecting children, it's nothing more then a red herring the government and others use to get at people and their personal information and their god given freedoms. Just who do they think they are fooling anyhow, not myself that for sure.


Barb - Winnipeg
said

If you have nothing to hide then what is the concern? It is the ones who have things to hide that want the privacy!The more we can do to get rid of online predators and child pornography the better!


Sue123
said

Time to reap what you sow. This is what you get when you vote for the Cons. What did you expect?


Niagara George
said

Fortunately, King Steve has not yet stacked the Supreme Court with his cronies. Without doubt, the first case related to this invasion of privacy will find it to be far over the line of acceptable legislation. I can't wait to hear some of you cry for a banishing of the 'court of last resort.'


Franck Commonsens
said

Ask Harper how much he make as salary..and watch him say "am not answering this" or ask him about any dossier, that public funds pay for: you will get the same answer.Hey! Now that am thinking: since he is OK with getting information under torture..... LOL!


bwb
said

Everyone is concerned about the privacy issue - which is very important - but there is another element. The government with this bill is going to force internet providers to keep records and give access to those records when needed - Does anyone think the Internet providers are going to do this for FREE. No they will pass on the cost to the user - so in the end not only are we loosing our civil liberty of privacy but its going to cost each and every Internet user in Canada more money as some sort of fee or tax is added on to support this bill.


JIm
said

Big Brother is watching.


george
said

Harper & his neo-con reformers seem to be more communist than conservative. They will definitely be kicked to the curb in the next election. I don't understand how dumb & dumber were elected.


BC Central Interior
said

Absolutely Unacceptable. How about making it easier to get a search warrant for suspected unlawful activities rather than prying into the lives of the innocent.


Trey
said

I'm all for protecting children, but this bill isn't limited to that. The potential for this to be abused and to bleed into a whole China-Big-Brother watchdog program is very, very high. Especially with Harper and his cronies behind it.


Tech savvy Daddy
said

Wasn't the US Patriot Act sold to the people on similar terms ???Secondly, the real mandate behind this legislation is not the pedophiles and child pornographers.... it's the evil downloader.This legislation is the foundation that the up and coming Digital Copyright law is going to operate upon.


mlatouche
said

We now see the full force of the REFORMIST in that government. Next, they will want to listen on your phone conversations without warrants. We are heading toward a police state and FAST......time to revolt and use civil disobedience to show this government that we DID NOT give them the right to wrap us up in a police state.......People of Canada, make your stand now or pay for the consequence of not reacting to this obvious attempt to remove all rights from you......


Ken from Alberta
said

The government has no business spying on its citizens, either through the police or any other instrument. This is why the conservatives should not have been "elected" to begin with. Everyone is now guilty until proven innocent. This will not improve the ability of law enforcement to catch criminals, and it will make all law abiding citizens into criminals. I am mashamed to live in Harpers Canada.


CanadaAware
said

The statement made...You are with us..or you are with the child pornographers is simply a straight out insult by the government.It would nothing but ignorant to even think that having full access to everyone's information is going to benefit the people of Canada.If the police and CSIS actually were on the streets..and physically dealing with people..they may actually make a difference.George Bush Jr. once said..while taking away the rights of American's "You are either with us..or you're against us".It's all a load of ....


BFA
said

How many of you people whining about this new bill have a Facebook profile??? Do you honestly think the government can't find out who you are and what you're up to from that. Get a grip.


Arthur
said

Have you ever noticed that every time a crime bill gets a lot of opposition the conservative government plays the child porn card. There have been lots of child porn arrests in the news recently, so I don't think the current laws are letting us down.


wolfeden
said

How about political crime aka: The Cons of Canada!!!!


DANIEL H
said

This sounds strangely like a book called 1984. I think the author just got the year wrong. Big Brother is watching you. What else can I say that other have not already.


Moderate Blue
said

"The legislation also outlines six pieces of basic personal information that telecom service providers will now be required to hand over to law enforcement without a warrant, including a name and address tied to a particular ISP address that police are investigating."And they don't require a warrant why? This is another part of due process that needs to be left alone by the demegogues. I challenge *any* of these politicians to maintain the rule of law without taking short cuts. The is the laziest most blatant fearmongering law yet. Even the name is misleading. Without warrants law enforcement can pretty much do what they want, when they want with private information.


Norman
said

To all the conservatives or others who voted for Harper and thought this was going to be a reasonable government and subsequently found out, (like the rest of us, too), that these guys are nuts; STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. We can get them out of office through multiple avenues but, by far, the easiest is to turn the taps off. NO CASH FOR CONS! Say it with me....


another one
said

is there a time when canadians finally enough is enough, if it's for our children, fine, but whose to say that they will not be browsing other things. WOW , this country is becoming a dictatorship in a hurry, i hope i'm around to see the day when the people fight back, strange enough the media seems to be allowed to show whatever they want, is it as bad as child porn, NO. But they sure get away with whatever they want, oh wait they warn you, i know you guys won't post this because in said something about your precious media, i know the truth hurts, but i don't care it's all a joke, the politicians will do what they want, DICTATORSHIP WELCOME TO CANADA


Zoe
said

Reading the comments on here and shaking my head. You guys out there with your conspiracy theories and saying our freedom is done, and comparing it to something Hilter would think of - You watch way too much tv! I have nothing to hide, so I dont care. The NDP have nothing better to offer, so all they do is gripe and you guys buy their rubbish. Its not as cut and dry as it seems so quit jumping to conclusions.


D
said

welcome to the NEW China


libertarian
said

There is a deliberate intent to change this country into something different than it is,(or, perhaps, was). I never thought that the country I know and live in was a bad place, with "bad" laws, and in need of fundamental alteration. It appears though, that the current government thinks that it is and moreover, we, as citizens of Canada, are not capable of conducting ourselves in a "responsible" manner, as a whole. This is message that I keep hearing from this government. We need to be concerned, everyone. This is not just politics any longer.


BP from Winnipeg
said

I believe that the police should still get warrants on everything they are suspicious about and the courts will decide what is best for all of us. Lets all keep this in mind and talk about it again at election time and see what happens. I still believe in our courts system and in the end, no matter how backed up they are, they still tend to do the right thing.


samisadog
said

yesterday i criticised this bill earlier in the a.m. I went out to run errands ,when i returned ,i was shocked to see that because i was critical, that i was being accused of supporting child pornography, I felt disgusted and revolted, I'm a survivor of this most vile and inhuman crime, but its not about pedophiles its about dissent,and anyone who criticize this harper gov. besides wi-fi makes it possible to circumvent the need for an I.S.P , this is about piprlines and big oil and petro china and kitimat ,and planting eveidence in your hard drive , c.s.i.s. will issue a security certificate to hold you withou t trail


Bill, Vancouver
said

This might be somewhat of a help when it comes to monitoring child pornography, but to "spy" on innocent, law abiding Canadians is unacceptable. We just don't know where this will eventually lead too. Besides, the Super Secret Canadian Security Establishment or CSE is supposed to already be doing this. The Harper Government would be best to place their efforts into investigating, at the Federal level, the continual drug dealing and high criminal activity which is so prevalent in places like British Columbia, particularly in the Vancouver area. It appears neither the RCMP nor the Vancouver Police as well as other smaller Police Services cannot handle this ongoing problem in British Columbia.






Glen
said

does bush ring in your ear the war mongrel from usa you are either with us (give up any and all privacy) or you are against us (you all must all support pedophiles) how do we put up with such insanity (maybe thats why, we think its to insane to be true) yet it is idiots like this that are in charge of making the laws and if we dont do anything these laws pass, doesn"t anyone see that its these little thefts of our civil liberties that slowly continue to erode your rights until you dont have any, fight back by writing your mp.


R.W.
said

If this "law" is passed, there is NOTHING to stop police officials from spying on anyone, for any reason.
And if you think that the police will not abuse their authority, you certainly are not looking at the history of our police forces.
How many people have been released from prison in the last ten years who have been found "guilty" because of police hiding evidence, or fabricating evidence.
I have NO trust in police NOT abusing such powers.
Leave the legal justification for access to private conversations with who it rightfully belongs, a Justice or Magisisteate


Will
said

I see the conspiracy theorists are really hard at it today. They are losing their minds over what is really a non-issue, this will not affect the average person, only the criminals.


Trevor H.
said

Canada is becoming the New Soviet Union. Where is my privacy??


IH
said

Unless it's Movember, never trust a man with a mustache.


mike beard
said

What BS. This is the kind of Canada Harper wants and this is why he should never have gotten a majority.


Dave
said

The way most of you talk, you don't want the police to be able to connect your name with your phone number. Reading the article, this seems to be basically the same thing for internet as a phone or mailing address that the police can lookup already with a phonebook in front of them.


Alexandria
said

Give law enforcement the tools to do their job and maybe our Country will be safe again for Children. Every time some one looks at this garbage a LITTLE CHILD is suffering at the hands of an ADULT PERVERT.To those who oppose this law and think the Government and Police will start spying on them get real. There are not enough Police Officers in all of Canada to monitor every one.


Guy Fawkes
said

There's going to be a lot of empty comment sections.


KJ in Calgary
said

So the telecommunications companies will be asked to implement and moniter the systems so the cons can have the police given access without a warrant. Now who do you think will pay for those increased expenditures....why Canadians of course.....just another way for this government to have us pay more....let's say a hidden tax for their access to our personal information. PS...if there is enough evidence of a cyber crime, there isn't a judge that wouldn't sign the warrant folks....


Really?
said

Toews should not be allowed to be in the position he is. As I recall, didn't he lose a daughter to violent crime? As much as I feel for him as a fellow father of a little girl, we cant allow this. Having him in this position has clearly clouded his judgement and he is on a vendeta. We dont allow families of those injured by crime to execute or determine justice. It would result in an extreme almost always. Its called a conflict of interest. Its no differnt than the fisheries minister chumming around with salmon farmers. Conflit of interest.


Kevin
said

The notion that this , or any , information will not be stolen by hackers and then used for illegal activities is simply false. If you force the ISP's to gather info , they will find a use for it , a use the customers are certain not to like. Revenue Canada can't even keep it's top secret tax records safe. Come on , how many times have I read news articles about a lap top going missing that has tax records of every single canadian on it ?


Redneck Albertan
said

Look, if the police are monitoring an online child porn sharing site and a Canadian IP address pops up, they should have every right to contact the ISP and get the name and address of the customer. I have absolutely no problem with that. This whole "The government is going to read my emails and track the sites I go to and what I post!" is pure BS. The legislation, as reported, seems to be well within the bounds of respecting personal privacy, provided you are not doing something horrible during your "private time".


Sandra
said

The government is not interested in your e-mails to Uncle Joe, Aunt Helen or Granny. Anyone whose child has been a victim of a pedophile would NOT have such a cavalier,self-righteous attitude. Criminals beware. We finally have a government concerned about the victims of an abhorrent crime.


Terry
said

Good for the Feds. I am glad finally something is being done to protect our children from the scum of the earth. If thge Opposition are against this then they support violence against children plain and simple. I see Bob Rae is shooting his mouth off as usual. If the police want to check my email etc they are welcome to it I have nothing to hide. The Federal Government knows evrything about us anyway.


Private Citizen
said

I don't have anything to hide. I don't do anything illegal online. I don't even file share. This law scares me to death. We have a Charter for a reason. It allows law enforcement to act without a warrant if there is just cause. So if a child is being harmed in any way L.E.O.'s can make service providers give up IP address already. This law just gives carte blanche to any agency to spy on Canadians.


jim
said

Nothing to fear nothing to hide.......its simple.


Al in Edmonton
said

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.


Tigerincanada
said

Criminals and hackers will be able to circumvent this system while ordinary people will be routinely spied upon by Harper's thought police. This is such a sweeping intrusion into personal freedom that it makes the Gun Registry look positively libertarian.If Harper Conservatives think they're going to get away with this, they are much mistaken. The price of our freedom has been paid over and over again, from Vimy Ridge to Kandahar. We must not forget that. Ever.


Ronnie
said

Why is everyone complaining so much now? The Conservatives got a majority government..should have thought about that before you voted!
It's a sad day for Canadians everywhere to see just one more advancement to a police state.
Personally I think this new bill is an invasion of privacy and as one MPP said: our cell phones and our blackberries are now electronic bracelets for the convenience of the police to track you down like a dog anytime they feel like invading your privacy.
I entitle myself to complain; I DIDN'T VOTE CONSERVATIVE!
Shame on this government!


Andre Matuch
said

This bill won't do anything other than allow the government to keep tabs on anyone who might be speaking ill of them in the future. In the United States, they've already more or less sacrificed a lot of their personal liberties for freedom (like that makes sense), and now they're selling this population-control mechanism as being a crime-fighter. It's BS and anyone with any kind of intelligence knows it.


Stu
said

Big Nanny state government the neo-con reformers turned out to be. Harper & his right wing loonies want to do the job parents should be doing. Keep your nose out of my business losers.


Collin
said

What else do you expect from a anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-union, anti-Charter right-winger like Toews, who comes from the Reform Party wing of the Regressive Conservatives. If you want to know a bit more about his politics, check out his Wiki page. Enlightening read.


Gordon
said

As Mel Brooks said " It's good to be king"


Bumcrack USA
said

@Law and Order. Your rant seems to completely disregard the fact that crime rates in Canada have been DECLINING for 30 years -- But, by all means, don't let that little piece of fact stop you from accusing the liberals of having killed law and order in Canada (that wouldn't be the reformer way!). As for Trudeau, my guess is that he would say about you what he said in response to Nixon's insults... which is that he's been called worse things by better men.


Cinzia
said

"Either you're for us or you're against us." Sounds like the philosophy of 3rd world dictatorships and the GOP in the US. This kind of talk from Mr. Toews has no place in Canadian culture.


pegger
said

This is more b.s. from harper. There was a case recently where a young girl was being stalked online by a pervert from overseas, and a woman with no legal windows of access was able to track the scum down and report him to the police. This attack on our privacy by harper who tries to keep PUBLIC issues secret is typical of his hypocrisy.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

This is just another authoritarian card being played on the heels of the previous legislation which was a largely unnecessary and heavy handed policing agenda. Now they are creating a stalking horse using the child-porn cloaking to achieve access to more and more private data. In order to impede the actions of a tiny number of perverts we are being asked to provide a mechanism where by every email, comment and web page we ever browse is instantly accessible to the state under our identity forever.


Ray from Saskatoon
said

Lets get with it. This is not a police state and if the gov't make it easier for police to track predators - so be it. Unfortunately there are far more people out there that may be scared of this law because of where they go on the internet. Clean up your act and you won't need to worry.


Ian
said

Just ask the police officers who investigate these types of crimes how easy it is to get this information with a warrant. ISP will always fight tooth and nail to prevent the police from doing their job and the judges make the police jump through burning hoops before they will issue a warrant. If anything the Conservatives are the ones who want to protect Canadians' privacy, (remember the census hullabaloo?) so it's rich for the opposition to invoke their privacy concerns at this time. My guess is that there will be enough checks and balances in place to prevent the government aka the police from invading anyone's privacy. Anything to put pedophiles behind bars, (oh sorry we don't want to actually ever put anyone in jail do we) is fine by me.


Worried for Real
said

If the telecommunications service provider, now spy, is involved in a gang or paedophile ring or is himself or herself a violent offender of any kind, it is likely the outcome for victims will be the opposite. I know I have had my crimestoppers tip interfered with and leaked. I also know that I wouldn't trust the telecommunications guy in my neighbourhood with my kid if you paid me to.


D. Vancouver
said

Who voted this government into power? It certainly was not me. I hope next time round more voters will see the Conservatives for what they are .


Doug
said

If the legislation had a requirement for a warrant and did not allow fishing expeditions it may be acceptable.

Hidding this omnibus open search behind the protection of children poster is extreme politics at best. Limit it to childrens issues then.


Millicent Wendy
said

I'm just wondering if Vic Toew's has that 6th sense that kid in the movie some years back had and he would claim to also see "dead people" too? He seems to be "over thinking" to a degree close to paranoia. Perhaps he should increase his vitamin B12 intake.


Proud Canadian
said

It's just another part to there move to Martial Law


Howard in Brampton
said

This is in response to Aaron Sterlind's post regarding CTV's screeners not allowing his posts to be displayed. I have made numerous posts over time, and can say that there were perhaps a few that they were not displayed. After a little critical thinking, I agree they were correct in discarding them. Either they were irrelevant and off the topic of the article, were vindictive vitriol, or would unnecessarily show contempt for a public figure. Very good reasons, and I thank them for saving me the embarrassment of having my less than better moments out there for public consumption.


Nonsense government
said

Odd. The most secretive government in Canadian history believes you should have zero privacy. And if it's WE who disagree with THEM, we're Hitler!? That's hilarious!


Len
said

@Prof Pye Chartt:What a surprise it is to not read the usual drivel you write about your heroes in the Harper Government. Seems strange: I always thought that we have a Canadian Government, not a Harper government. Anyway, glad to see from this post that you agree with us 'Lefties', of which I am not.


JF -Surrey, BC
said

If this bill goes through, the government will be able to spy on you online with impunity, regardless of whether you are doing anything wrong at all - It would be like the RCMP having a key to your home and having the right to enter whenever and for whatever reason.This has got to be in direct violation of Section 8 of Charter of Rights.Typically I side with the Cons but this is bad and the Opposition better do their job and fight this right up to the Supreme Court.If the Cons want to do something constructive raise the minimum sentence for pedos. Don't screw with privacy.


Hobbes
said

I am saddened by what the cults of "rights" without responsibilites and permissiveness have done to a country I love. Now we are opposed to a law that no one has studied in a knee jerk way with the usual subjects crying wolf--who else but the the NDP and liberals generally would put individual rights above those of victims? No right is absolute! People must take responsibility for their actions and not hide behind some bleeding heart "hug a thug" philosophy. Let's give all the child porn types a fair trial and then hang them!


Bob in Chatham
said

We are slowly turning into a police state under the Conservatives. A sad day for all Canadians who enjoy their freedom.


Sara
said

FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!!

If any of you really cared about the children you would put oversight into the childrens aid Society's by getting the ombudsman involved. That organization is mandated to protect the children but end up dong more damage then good. There is a lot more damage done to kids through that orgaization than anything happening on the internet. Clean up that organization if it really is the kids you care about.


Craig from NS
said

I don't mind a government willing to go after criminals, but without the necessary controls in place it is a breading ground for abuse. I don't buy the "If you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about." If the police / government want to abuse it, they will. It won't matter if you are a law abiding citizen or not.


willyb
said

This is without a doubt BIG BROTHER, and it is not there to catch criminals, it's there to limit the everyday person like you and me, it is to control, it is the end of our freedoms as we knew it. Everything we do will be monitored, say the wrong word and you'll be tossed in jail. Perhaps THAT is one purpose of what all those FEMA CAMPS are for??? Look it up, wake up, ask questions and demand logical answers. Our freedoms and liberties ARE being taken away, one thing at a time.


Law and Order
said

Get used to it! Finally law and order is being restored to Canadians after years of rampant ignorance and avoidance on the part of the Liberals, as well as the unncecessary Charter of Rights and Freedoms that caters to everyone in the world except the original populace. We didn't need the Trudeau fantasy that has destroyed Canadian law. Until it is finally obliterated by competent government, oblique problems will exist and laws to stop and/or prevent anarchistic tendencies and actions will have to once again be reinstated to bring about the rule of law. We are still under the law of the British North-American Act that is far superior to Trudeau's mania.


Dale - Surrey, BC
said

After 9/11, similar powers were given in the USA to the FBI. Once empowered, the FBI went WAY beyond their mandate; checking on anyone they wished about anything they wanted. You really should write a letter to your MP in Ottawa right now!


Jay in Stoon
said

Any and all information collected by an ISP can then be accessed, stolen, or even SOLD. Just look at Nortel and how they were spied on for ten years without even knowing it. Personal information should not be collected for ANY reason unless supported by a warrant. Our laws are sufficient enough for what police need.


Sassy
said

Harpo and buddys are trying to turn Canada into a police country. This IS a FREE country and we have a right to say and do what we want as long as its not criminal.This can"t pass. Is there a petition to the government going? If not, there should be.This Harper HAS to go before he srews up any more. We won"t know the Canada that he is trying to change so very much.I love my country and the rights I have. Harper, piss off.


Mommy of two in Calgary
said

I have to say I think Harper & the CONS are a frighteningly insane Klan but, I have nothing to hide, spy away just make for damn sure you're working to catch these animals who are ruining our children. Catch them & put them somewhere they will never, ever, EVER see the light of day. Let's see what did I google this week? Alba Roses, Sea Lion (they look like seals, just an fyi), R.Cedar.com (an author) and info on Whitney Houston. Neither incriminating nor interesting frankly but I have a genuine question: can anyone give me say three REAL concrete examples of how this can be abused to harm innocent citizens? I need to know if my opinion needs to be reevaluated. Finally, I want to thank all of our men and women who are working so hard to protect our children at their own peril. You are my heroes!


Privacy vs public safety
said

Honestly, I dont really care as long as it doesnt interfere with what I'm doing.. I don't have anything to hide.That being said, parents do have the responsibility to teach their kids and monitor what they are doing.I do agree people should get their privacy, this could be crossing that line of privacy versus public safety.


Canadian Bob
said

What Canadians need to be concerned with right now (and this first and foremost concerns the Conservative voters who put Harper in office), is how much damage can this man do to Canada and it's peoples. We are seeing a completely different government than promised, and yet the defensiveness of those who put him and his entourage of nut bars in Ottawa has become beyond ridiculous in substance. We aren't talking about anyone's personal feelings here, so get over it! We are talking about the future of a country and our rights as Canadian within it. Provide something worthy of reading, or consider just what you have done by being a part of this regime and how you can bring it to an end!


devils advocate
said

You want the police without judicial review to have the ability to check on our internet activity "just in case" we do something wrong. This is a really interesting little piece of hypocrisy from the same government that decried (and has now eliminated) the requirement that gun owners register their weapons because it "criminalized" persons who had not done anything illegal and was intrusive on their enjoyment of a legal activity. How is enabling and requiring wholesale monitoring of a citizen's electronic activity without probable cause or warrant any diferent? No one wants the police to struggle with capturing real cyber criminals be it monetary fraud or child porn, but simply declaring every person with an electronic life a potential pervert or thief and monitoring them on whim is a complete travesty in a supposed democracy.


BoredOnTheCorner
said

When Toews and Harper stop SLANDERING people who don't want their Charter rights to be trampled, then they can claim to care about justice.


Danny Dinosaur
said

Shame on the Liberals and NDP's for not having enough vision for Canada to stop this government. It is time for both NDP and Libs to abandon your lust for power and start doing what is right for Canada. This is an ultra right government and they are systematically destroying our rights and freedoms. Stop the party politics and start standing up for Canada by giving us something to vote for.


BoredOnTheCorner
said

Anyone who honestly has NO PROBLEM with the authorities being able to spy on them WITH NO WARRANTS OR CAUSE, needs to be force-read every history book on dictatorships.Ask the G20 victims, or the people thrown out of Harper's campaign stops by the RCMP for having a Facebook picture with Jack Layton, how much we can really trust these fascist monsters!


Ali
said

If we started setting examples of the creeps that do this by, oh let's say, bringing capital punishment back, maybe it would be less of an issue? Nothing irks me more than to know there are child abusers living among us and that they have some 'right to privacy' so that we cannot know who they are. What do you do to a rabid dog? You put it down. Insensitive maybe, but society has gotten out of control.


weasel
said

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.


Ken Dillon
said

If you think what you do on the Internet is private You are just fooling yourself. EVERYTHING you have ever done is there for those who know how to look for it. This law would make it legal for Law inforcement to use it in a court action.And it's there for anyone how cares to misuse it.


Marc in Manitoba
said

With this and the crap with Old Age I'm sure there are many out there wondering why we gave these fanatics a majority. RECALL!


Larry I Ontario
said

One more example of a government out of control. Harper must never be given a majority again as he hs demonstrated he does not care what anyone has to say!


Stop Harper!
said

I agree with everyone here about inhuman rights! Although I don't agree with paedophiles activites, I will strongly support and protect their right to privacy! Same as those who commit murder, although I don't like what they do, Harper has no business snooping on them via the internet!


Alberta Troy
said

Shouldn't parents be the ones monitoring their children on the internet? Giving the government access to personal communications between two law abidding citizens is one step closer to a police state and I don't trust this or any government with that...


Aaron Sterlind
said

This is for the people who screen these comments. So what, you don't post my opinions your policing free speech as well I guess? There was nothing racist, profane, libelous or personal in my comments, only examples of past indeciencies and my general opinions on people in general, as sheep, and delusional god believers, I never referenced anyone in particuliar on this part. There should be no problem, I'm disappointed that you can only comment disagreeably in an agreeable way, when the issue at hand is so dire that we can't afford the time needed for the hand holding sensitivity necessary to speak to the population of babified adults


ejes
said

so from what i can read here there are a few different ideals floating around. 1) some people on here seem to think that there are hundreds of PEOPLE sitting there reading or monitoring our internet traffic, which of course is absoultly absurd. This monitoring will be done through computer programs designed to flag possible "criminals"2) people on here also seem to think that "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear" which is also false.Sure right now they're just looking for possible "pedophiles" but, this access can be used by law enforcement for ANY PURPOSE, which doesn't have to be looking for pedos, it could be looking for pot smokers, or people who think that abortion should be legal... this is a slippery slope and our government does not have the right to spy on it's citizens like that!


Helga Laval
said

There is no way in the world that it is acceptable that police may just walk into your house without a court ordered search warrant. To believe otherwise is to dangerously compromise Canadian's rights to sanctity of their home and property as well as their dignity. To walk into someones home under the pretense that they're guilty of wrong doing sets them up for undue humiliation and suspicion without just cause. This can be very damaging to a individual's reputation and ruin them for life despite their innocence. Warrants are appropriate - a police state is not.


Paul
said

Spy away, fill your boots. I am not doing anything I am ashamed of so I really do not care who is watching.


Penelope Swankers
said

Where were they when Conservative MP Bob Dechert got himself a Chinese spy-girlfriend? Who was watching a member of their own party and protecting Canadians? Apparently nobody soon enough. Damage done!


Franck Commonsens
said

Now that we have enforcement without warrant or judicial supervision and like in Toronto G8, search and arrests without proper causes; the next step is execution without trials. We have our lives now resting in the hands of people who we hope are always fair, just, honest or even competent. Believing ANY of those from of officials, so called representatives or their enforcers is like playing Russian roulette with a semi automatic: you always loose no matter what.


Rick W in BC
said

I think it needs to be said that if this law is passed and the Supreme Court of Canada later says it is not constitutional the first time it is challenged then the Government will have to recind it. We may not like how we are interpreting the wording of the bill and it didn't help that the safety minister stated that anyone who opposes this bill is siding with the perverts but the checks and balances we have in place will eventually sort this out no matter what the Government or Opposition says..


Lorne - MTL
said

This from a government that scrapped the LGR because it was a attack on personal freedoms. Hypocrites


G Harrison
said

There is nothing about crime in here. The government does not really care about pedophiles - if they did, they would have given them longer sentences than pot growers. (Seriously, a pedophile in Harperland gets a shorter sentence than someone growing plants). This is one step closer to allowing this government of small minded, low iq, angry white men to be able to add anyone who disagrees with them to their list.

These vindictive little bullies won't be happy until they've locked up every last respectful, caring, decent Canadian.


Oldfishcalgary
said

"Vic Toews is fear mongering at the cost of our civil liberties" - Jarrett@ Jarrett - Vic Toews is NOT fear mongering, its pedophiles are real..youre probably one of them thats why you seem to be afraid of this proposed law


John Wright
said

Progressive Conservatives ?more likeRegressive Contortionist !


John Wright
said

Progressive Conservatives ?more likeRegressive Contortionist !


Pokey
said

It's not about using technology to catch child pornographers. It is about the government bringing in legislation that would give the police and other enforcement agencies power to spy on Canadian citizens freely - without warrents or suspicion. This bill will erode the rights of Canadian citizens -giving the government and police ways to pry into the private lives of Canadians. That is wrong.But that is what Canadians wanted and got by electing a Harper majority. Canadians screwed themselves in the last election. We were warned that Harper would do anything he pleases, enact any legislation that he sees fit (or his American buddies tell him to enact) and basically not care what Canadians want. And he has done exactly that. So don't complain too much if you voted for the Conservatives.


Bumcrack USA
said

This bill would give police and government access to private personal information without need for a warrant. The federal privacy commissioner herself worries about this. The "if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't be against this" is completely bogus. It's as lame as the "if you are agians this, you are pro child pornographers". It is the kind of argument fascist governments all over the world have used for centuries to defend "police state" tactics.


Simon
said

A commenter, Rob wrote, "All you compla(i)ners if you are not doing anything suspicious what have you got to worry about..."Ever read Orwell? Your statement is so weak and a sign of ignorance and apathy. The destruction of democratic freedoms and the introduction of Fascism starts with controls such as this bill.


Aaron Sterlind
said

Since the largest portion of the population only understands popular brain dead media lets juxtapose this idea with the life of J. Edgar Hoover, he would have loved this law. If you think for one minute that this is paranoia then there is an example of history on video for you. I've read every book there is on behavioral science, starting before the CSI's and what not made it culturally popular, and let me tell you this fear is propagation of propaganda not unlike that of commies in the past. This has all been done before, it has all been abused before, it will again but as technology grows so does the vast expanse of unjustified intrusions and destruction of the individual.


Rob, Calgary
said

I am astonished at all the Conservatives here who were against the long census form and the long gun registry, but are perfectly fine with this new legislation. You said then that you did not want the government "in your bedroom". This legislation will bring them closer to your bedroom! We need to punish and jail people who view and distribute child pornography, but to spy on innocent Canadians without justification?I am also astonished with Minister Toews defense with this bill. He would make you believe that being against this legislation would make you a child pornogrpaher. However, what Minister Toews neglects to say is that with this new legislation, he and the Harper Government will already lump innocent Canadians in with child pornographers as they can spy on you whether you are innocent or guilty.


J.C.
said

After watching the videos of the Justice Minister and Vic Teows above, explain how the law would work and given examples of the impediments law enforcement face, I see no problem with this bill. Police WILL STILL HAVE TO GET A WARRANT to do deeper research/investigation other than obtaining (basic info) an IP address of suspected criminals. The law merely addresses the fact that TSPs do not want to give out IP addresses and therefore delay the apprehension of criminals before they do more harm. It will also ensure that TPs will have the equipment available to track once a warrant is obtained. This bill does not allow government or police to read e-mail or anything else without a search warrant from a judge. Records of police requests will also have to be kept. I see no problem with this bill being enacted into law. I could care less if the police have my IP address as it is no different to me than having my street address, or phone number.


Michael Giorgi
said

This bill, and article, has been re-written to totally obscure the real intent of this bill. Yes, child porn is a problem and I hope my children are never exposed to it. This bill is not about child porn, this about accessing your personal information and internet activities without asking a court. There is no due process with this bill. This will totally contravene the Charter of Freedoms and Rights for everyone, including the innocent.


Brian G. Rice
said

Under the logic Mr. Toews presents here, soon the Police will be able to search your home because there is a chance you might be doing something illegal in there. And all of the Conservative supporters on this board who support this Bill will be singing the same tune: "But isn't busting even 1 meth lab worth it?"All of you rallied around this government when they decided that the mandatory long form census was an egregious abuse of our personal privacy, but now you are willing to let the Conservative government, CSIS and the RCMP watch you use your online banking, listen in on Skype calls to your kids, and monitor any and all download activity, including music and "legitimate" movies. Call your Conservative MP. Tell them to stop playing ideological games with our civil liberties.


Charles Parent
said

This is just one more step toward a complete police state! The mechanism ALREADY exists for police to get what they need. They only need to get a warrant. This is just a way for Big Brother to further invade our privacy without any justification or need to show reasonable cause. Welcome to Canada, the Just-Us system is in force, and it has nothing to do with Justice.


Cilla
said

Just another front, to take away more of our freedoms. Until we don't have any.

Take a look at other countries trying to enforce similar policies. ACTA. With the United Nations.One world one government.




mike
said

no matter how you try to sell it, its bad legislation. Blanket police powers without oversight (which is what the warrant process is) makes it just rife for abuse. Oh.. I trust the cops to police themselves, just see how that works in quebec (where one police department investigates the other, and see how well that works).


Proud Albertan
said

Wow there is a lot of fear mongorers out there! What i gathered from this article was the government was simply trying to get rid of some of that bureaucratic red tape that the cops have to go through in order to get the job done! how is that so bad? Seems to me is all this bill is trying to accomplish is to help law enforcement get the job done quicker! i am sure there will still be oversight to insure the system isn’t abused anyway. Come on people get real! we aren’t on our way to becoming a communist regime! sheesh!


Bonnie
said

They are saying it is about children and who does not want to protect them? It is a broader issue then that. We assuredly will all have no privavcy and I find that disturbing.We are opening a door for sure. If they decide on a search warrant , will we even know?


Voice of reason
said

Will someone in the media please properly explain what this bill will allow? It sounds a bit like the police would be allowed to go to a service provider without a warrant and find out all about what any particular person is doing online. I read somewhere in the media coverage that a warrant will still be needed before police can see the actual content of a person's communications. I'd like to know how that distinction would be maintained. It hasn't been properly explained in any of the media coverage I've seen.


Mark
said

Here's an example, for those incapable of grasping the sheer size of what this will undoubtedly cost. Imagine paying at least 1/8 of the G8/G20 cost, every day, for the next 10 years.


Mark
said

I am not in favour of any government surveillance of any kind. It's a slippery slope and lead nowhere good. Someday it WILL be used against us.


MARG MM
said

The public safety minister said "the bill does not allow the government to monitor private communication, web activity or e-mails of Canadians. And it will not allow police to look at the substance of an e-mail without a warrant". To those of you that are worried about the government studying your everyday e-mail activity, it seems you have nothing to worry about. Besides, do you really think the police or anyone has time to look at the millions of e-mails of the millions of Canadians unless there is a suspicion or a valid reason for doing so? Once again the NDP putting the "cart before the horse" (did they even see the wording of the bill before speaking out?) and using fearmongering as a way to get people all stirred up. I do believe in privacy, however in cases where children are put at risk, catching these predators trumps privacy.


Jack Smith
said

Do people really think this is about protecting the children? The CON's have not done one thing yet that hasn't served big business. The idea of attaching children to the name of the bill is a great way to gain support but let's not kid ourselves. If you look under the covers I'm sure you'll find that this bill is specifically designed to help the movie and recording industry in their fight against piracy.And for all of the people commenting saying you should have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide. That is not the issue. In Canada we have a fair right to privacy and this bill kills our rights.This bill is equivalent to taking a dump with your bathroom door open. Show me how many people supporting this bill would also support that.


Dave in Edm
said

A cop should get a search warrant by a judge, if not then it opens up society to the whim of the cops who may have a personal vendetta against someone... Human history has shown only those societies that became police states allowed warrantless searches of private law abiding individuals... Giving our government the right to spy on law abidding citizens is of great concern, I'm shocked that someone would call themself a Conservative and agree the government can do warrantless searches... Imagine the damage a person like Russel Williams if he was a cop instead of a soldier could have done if he had access to all this information, and sorry folks but not every cop in Canada are angels...


James
said

My son is an undercover cop dealing in some heavy duty areas. Whenever I ask him "why cant you just tap their lines or this or that" and invariably the answer is we are restricted and can't do that dad. Society has REALLY limited the ability and effectiveness of our police to the point the criminals just laugh at them for trying. Society needs to give our law enforcement more tools to get the job done and stop holding them back while we make laws which allow criminals to go free.


Protect Canada
said

I love the argument that if you are doing nothing suspicious you have nothing to hide. I take it you people will be the first to volunteer to have cameras in your homes? After all, I'm sure many many crimes could be stopped by doing that. If you don't support a camera in every home in the country, you are protecting people that commit spousal abuse. And who cares if the government watches you? Nothing to hide right?


Trevor Boller
said

It is the people's fault for allowing your rights to be taken apart, like brick by brick. It's all a process. The Police have the powers and the internet providers have the systems in place to inform them of illegal activity.


KC BC
said

I would say it is politically unwise for the government to go too far on this issue . It would not bother me personally if someone from government looked at any of my own activities, but here are a lot of nervous Nellies that it seems to bother. As for the Republican Party of Canada ; that sounds a lot better than anything that has the word "Democrat" in it!


art
said

The comments on child pornography are the conservatives attempt to frame the conversation away from the parts of this bill that they don't want the public to concentrate on. The fact remains that this bill will allow access to anyone's online footprint without any oversight. It also makes just about every computer user who wants to transfer a song or video to another device a criminal.


Karl
said

Folks, this is not about your political stripes. This is not about whether you side with the government or bad people. This is about checks and balances. Every person I have heard weigh in to the discussion with thoughtful, unbiased opinion says the same thing - we're not against law enforcement access, we're against uncontrolled access without due process. If access is given with no need for a warrant, abuse is possible with no recourse. Here's an example for easier understanding. The DMCA in the US gives entertainment companies the right to take internet content down without due process. They have shown time and again that given this power, they will abuse it, with no recourse for the internet user. Due process is what protects our rights to fair justice. If your rights aren't important to you, then I believe your opinion in this discussion just became moot.


tyler
said

this is just scary, on one end it could catch the criminals and the other end this is an open line for the gov to have free taps on anyone it wants with no ramification. You should need warrants to for the law to be aloud do wire taps, and other things because that gives a reason for the need of the law to do something. Now a days everything is networked one way or another, so everything would be open under this law, so that everything on your computer, cell phone, pads, and so on is fair game for the law to look at. Question should always be for the Good it can do, but the main question should be ask what could be the Downside to this, answer is open info on anyone at anytime with the a chance that info could get out there to harm peoples lives


Quebec Nordique fan
said

Hey Harper I understand you control what members of your party say to the press and in the House Of Commons but please do not do this to the rest of us Canadians. We understand you are afraid of what people in this country think of you and you hope to introduce a law to control what is said on the internet. All you have to do Sir.is just listen to your conservative station and people that call in all love you while the rest us who do not we never call in.


Davis
said

And who will be concerned for Chinese Hackers or the Government of China with nefarious online activities against Canada? Anybody? Or will the Canadian Government just be happy to trade our security like Canadian company Nortel's for a couple of pandas?


Howard in Brampton
said

When confronted by a "believe in this or your enabling a criminal" statement, I begin to wonder about the ulterior motives and disingenuity of the speaker. Regardless of whichever political ideology one holds dear, this proposal lacks any sense of logical thought. Since the Police have extraordinary powers, they must be, and are governed by rules and law commensurate with those powers granted. I fail to see how troubling it could be, or how it could further endanger anyone, if the Police were still required to apply for a warrant before requesting information from any ISP about any of their customers or users. I doesn't take a stretch to acknowledge that any crime committed on the internet is not exactly exigent. My thoughts are that there are certain things any Government should be allowed, and certain things that they should not. This is one of the latter.


G in the West
said

My biggest issue with this law is there is not enough check and balances. How can we trust all police officers and security people who will have access to this data? Heck, we can't even trust our RCMP for good ethics considering what is going on with sexual harrasment, abuse of power etc.. going on. How will ANYONE know they aren't being watched just for the sake of being watched? Could you imagine if they could open any piece of mail, listen to any phone conversation. The governement and the police don't need to have so much information to do their jobs.


Tom
said

This is not about child pornography. This is about USING childpornography as a reason for example curb political opposition online, to have access to anyone's computer without having to deliver white lies under oath in front of judges to get warrants. Cops have no difficulty getting warrants in child pornography cases at the moment. This is about having the ability to have someone to make an anonomous call and say whatever without any liability and then walking away, when for example a neighbour you don't like goes through because of your neighbour with bipolar disorder. This kind of legislation creates chaos. For example; a friend of my was in the court and when ICBC lawyer said that we want this on the basis of this; meaning he lied in front the judge to get what he wanted. Then when papers were dug; none of the things he accused those papers to contain weren't there? Did he apologize. So, the justice works just fine even today as prosecutor can get anything and everything even without the person knowing.


maggie
said

Is the opposition absolutely crazy ??? do you think everyone out there is a goody two shoes ??good grief man - industrial spying is HUGE now - its not just Alqaeda and others like them that we are fighting but its governments and companies trying to steal industrial or government secrets - its individuals trying to do harm to others - so if there is an incident that needs monitoring etc for goodness sake give the government or the police the tools to work with to stop this ! Though I dont feel you need to look into everything ... bottom line is i have nothing to hide and if you feel otherwise bring it on and I will prove you wrong ! Also give me the tools to seek retribution if YOU the police or government do wrong - against me or others !


Mike Wagner
said

Ann: It's very simple if you understand that this is not about catching pedophiles. It's about skipping over warrants and the paper trails that prevent abuse. Toews has presented the false dichotomy of "You're either with the pedos or against them" to sell his snake oilWe had no issue providing the necessary evidence with the laws 12 years ago. And the legislators know this.


Michaelangelo
said

I think they've been spying on Canadians for years anyway and we're just not told so. That being said I feel they should be looking into political and corporate elites of which the Director of CSIS expressed a warning that some were involved in activities on behalf of foreign nations putting Canada's security and interests in peril. Is this new legislation intended to deflect from that?


Sheri
said

For those of you against the bill...do you really think that the police have the time to spy on you if you are not doing anything wrong...give me a break. This bill is to help with the growing internet problem of child porn. We reported a site a year ago that my son came across while doing research and reported it immediatley to the police. We later found that others also reported and this saved the life and stopped the tourture of a 5 year old girl. If saving ONE CHILD comes out of the police being able to see what you are doing on the net...IT IS WORTH IT! If this bill does not go through, I truly hope that the people against this bill never have a child they know be abused and on the internet...your negativity against the bill may result in the police having to take more time to get all YOUR "rights" in order and by that time the offender and child may be gone and never found again!


Mia
said

They're afraid of the Occupy Movement or organized revolts via Twitter/Facebook communications. They are using the child pornography tool as a way to subvert mass movements against them . Everyone wants to protect the kids and this like terrorism may be a way for the government to get us all in their corner then spring us with other crackdowns we never considered but then find democratic online free discours silenced. Where does this begin..and where does it stop? Will we be allowed to talk online as openly as we do now without Big Brother arresting us or spying on our opinions? I'm worried that my democratic freedom of expression via my voice will be compromised as a result of the government using the pedophile scare to over-ride more than just that alone and use this law as a way to intimidate detractors of the system. We only need to look at people like Nelson Mandela who were imprisoned for taking on the powers that be. Will the threat of "false" charges and the power to enforce them be used against those the government deems politically undesirable?


Greg Orbman
said

The Conservatives want to make this issue about Child Pornography. This bill will give police access to all types of private information without a warrant. This is not necessary to fight crime. If the police have reasonable grounds for suspicion they can obtain a warrant in a couple of hours; less time if it is urgent. This would allow police to access private information regardless of grounds. And, moreover police would not be required to provide the court a record of information they acquired. By this law, nobody necessarily knows what information a police officer obtained, and nobody necessarily knows what that police officer does with the information. The Conservative rhetoric pretends that anyone opposed to this bill is guilty.


tom
said

Another puppet regime of the US treating it's citizens like we are stupid americans who are willing to give away all our "rights" and "freedoms" in the name of the great fear that seems to overwhelm these politicians whenever they want something. Enough already, we are already taxed to death, keep your noses out of our private lives. This country needs a revolution to topple this so called democracy, fear that Vic Toews, because you men in suits who decide these sorts of things will be the first without jobs if this country ever pulls itself out from under the weight of the US and their paranoid new world order, it will never happen, but it's nice to dream.


frank
said

After reading most of the comments, the one that makes the MOST sense is from dkjd. Well said, and as usual,
(UN)Intelligent Liberal would rather protect the rights of criminals then the victims, typical lefty stand.

If you do nothing wrong, there is no reason the police would monitor you. I own legal registered firearms, I was one of the first to register them when the law came out in the 1990's, and I've never had a police officer knock on my door searching my legal guns.

Typical lefties getting their panties in a knot!


Robert
said

Every time I hear this simple-minded argument: " If you have nothing to hide, then...." I am thinking about window blinds and window blind manufacturers. Why do you hate them so much (the manufacturers)? And also, why do you use window blinds? Do YOU have something to hide?


Ottawa Resident
said

To all the people in support of this legislation... This is a privacy issue! If the legislation was to allow them to search you randomly on the street or to walk into your home to look for, let's say... an illegal fire arm, all in the name of "saving the children" from harm, would you still support the biil? This allows them to search people not even reasonably suspected of being guilty, what happened to inoccent until proven guilty? Or do you bill supporters use the Guilty until proven Innocent system?


B Gray
said

To implement what they want to do, will wipe out most of the smaller ISPs and drive up the price of the big guys substantially. The cost to capture and store this information is huge. The consumer either bear the burden of the cost, or will simply reduce internet use altogether - crippling the economy even further. The ethical issues, and his argument of "you either stand with us or with Child Pornographers" is just ludicrous. To say we should be able to collect anything we want on you, without reason or warrant, because some people are committing crimes makes no sense. If that's the case we should fingerprint and get DNA on everyone, record everyone's phone-calls and private conversations, take copies of personal letters...and so on, and submit it all to the government so they can catch Child Pornographers - as this is his Logic. Hey well get some other criminals too along the way, so that's a good thing. If this is the new Canadian mentality, then we had better shut our mouth when it comes to China or North Korea on Human Rights going forward. =P


Kelly Willis
said

Is the government merely using "kids" as a way to justify mass spying on Canadians about their political leanings, views, involvement, finances, interests??? If they're just "using" children as a means to shut everyone up and into compliance for a grander agenda on their part that is undemocratic and used like Soviet Russia then this is not acceptable. Everyone with any normal thinking wants to protect kids from crime be it sexual or abuse of any kind...BUT....if this is just a sneaky way for the government to herd everyone into something more devious on their part of restricting our voices by fear that they will punish us for democratic expression then we all should be worried about what the real deal is with this sort of legislation. In otherwords just expression an anti-government view might be enough for them to charge you for being a political dissident or finding another way to hang you with any kind of charge that might suit their purpose for shutting you up period. Is there a Pandora's Box to this so-called "protect the kids" agenda to find a way to stifle political dissension not favorable to government speak?


Fracnk Commonsens
said

How can we allow this? What a LIE to claim that proper judicial (aka warrant) prevents the fight against crime! The ONLY thing those new laws allow are abuse and misuse. Remember the KGB or the Gestapo and how horrible we found them and how we fought them? Today, we enacted the very same foundation and give them the power to bypass the LAW and constitution.


Intelligent Liberal
said

Some people seem to think that the Government is making up the serious problem of child porn on the internet. Exploitation of children. It seems to me to be a good idea to provide police with an improved ability to curtail this crime. Maybe adults here have forgotten what it's like to be a child. If it saves one child, I don't care what internet use of mine gets monitored. Different things outrage different people I guess.


Clifford in Ottawa
said

Pro or con, debate the issue. Air the concerns, show respect for our rights and, only when necessary, demonstrate the need to limit those rights. Do not equate critics with pedophiles (or Nazis for that matter). Let the legislation be proved justifiable or fall in the courts. As for the innocent having nothing to fear from the police, ask Donald Marshall, David Milgaard or Maher Arar about that one.


Darren g Briscoe
said

I do not advocate online piracy, I do not advocate pedophiles or child pornography. I do advocate racists nor terrorists. I do advocate free speech and the sharing of all viewpoints. I truly question if a tough on crime stance and a belief that making it easier for the "powers that be" to spy on its people all in name of safety is really what our elected officials are doing here. When does it stop. We are talking about our right to privacy. We are talking about free access to the internet without government and police interference and inspection. We need to be wary of things that lend themselves to abuse of power. "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? "


Honest Hard Working
said

Canadians like to criticize Americans about their justice and political system but Americans hold their Individual Rights up to very high standards because they understand that those individual rights are the foundations of Society.Governments should make laws to protect it's citizens not control them ...... Canadians live in an Elected Dictatorship compared to Americans.This new law is one more step into the continuing dilution of Canadian Freedoms ... we are not here for the sake and benefit of Government ..... Government is only here for the sake and benefit of us ......God Bless America.


Danielle
said

Hearing what some have to say that this bill should pass,is akin to saying that we should be in a Police state. with locked borders, take away our personal rights,allow those in charge of the law to stop you and me at any time on the street and id us,Is this right thing to do?? We as the citizens of Canada voted for this government ( well I didn't), and I believe that we have the right to take that government to task and even remove it from power as well.I think this is something Harper should think about, strongly.


Joe
said

It's cute how so many of you think child porn is distributed so openly on the internet. Actually it's not; the vast majority of it is shared through decentralised encrypted networks which operate on a global scale and, when set up properly, effectively render each person anonymous.This bill? It can *not* stop that, it will never stop that. That's why they use it, to act as though child porn is so easily acquired online is to admit your ignorance of technology.


Paul in MB
said

Most child abuse occurs in the home. To that end we need to install video surveillance equipment in every home in Canada to catch child abusers. If you have any problem with a government video camera being installed in your home you are clearly a filthy child beater and have something to hide. Every year a number of Canadian children go missing. To that end we need to implant a chip in every newborn Canadian to protect them from getting lost or abducted. If you have a problem with this you are clearly a deranged child abductor with something to hide. Isn't Conservative logic fun???


gord wittner
said

This legislation is a slippery slope, and I for one will never support the state having free access to my personal communications regardless of how many criminals are caught. Before you know it, YOU will be the new criminal, or enemy of the state.“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” ? Thomas Jefferson


One canadian
said

" If the goverment will use fear & propaganda to destroy my human rights, then perhaps it's time for the goverment to come out of the closet, and admit that their afraid of Canadians having freedom of speech, or freedom of expression. Perhaps what the Cons should do is turn to communism. Think about it Mr. Harper, if anyone disagrees with you, or your party, they go to jail. If you don't like someone, you can spy on them until they become an enemy of the state, and most importantly you can remain our glorious leader until you die, exploiting us and emprissonning all those who oppose you.. It seems to me that this is the path that you and your party are looking to go down, Mr. Harper. - Your almost there, just a couple of laws left before your master plan come to fruition Mr. Harper, long live our leader !!!!! " I think I'm going to be sick"


Jesse B
said

This is Canada. Not the United States. Canadians are stupid for re-electing Harper and his conservative lackies. When you people wake up and see how much hes changing Canada into this American system that has already showed us it doesn't work.We are Canadians, and the Canadian lifestyle is being killed by Stephen Harper.


lwinslow
said

Maybe the NDP does not want the police listening in on their criminal activities! Hmmmm!


Jarrett
said

This is equivalent to giving the police the right to walk into anyones home and search without a warrant or probable cause. The gov't will use this legislation to block integral avenues, we as a people use, to practice democracy. G8/G20 protests would have been hampered or prevented (refering to peaceful protests, I don't condone the violent ones). Any organizations or gatherings designed to speak out against the current gov't policies will be targeted, anything that hampers their idealogy will be targeted. Call me paranoid but this gov't has already proven that with calling environmentalists and aboriginals 'adversaries'.PS. This is not going to hamper child pornographers, they will just encrypt their data. This discussion just goes to show the success of the fear mongering campaign.


moodyb
said

wonder if these guys have something to hide?? hmmmm


Harper's Fox News Canada
said

I totally understand the need to crackdown on child pornographers with legislation to stop sick behavior ..HOWEVER... if this is an attempt to monitor people's freedom of thought, expression or views in a normal fashion via the internet (beyond perversion involving kids) in the same vein of big brother controlled countries like China or North Korea then this is 'UN-CANADIAN". The Conservatives sure were good hiding behind a mask last election with their talk of messing with the OAS, gun registry, gay marriage and now spying on Canadians? What the hell is going on? This is Canada not Iran! The PM has been watching too much FOX News and shrinking his brain cells.


Ann
said

How can anyone who has heard representatives of the police squad that deals with internet child pornography and its proliferation feel that this legislation is wrong? Do you honestly think that this is a privacy issue? This is about attempting to go after and get all those who view, download, create and distribute child pornography. Is not the rescue of one of these abused children worth it? Should the apprehension of the monsters distributing, viewing, and creating child pornagraphy not be tantamount? Wow.


Pogoizer
said

It really doesn't matter whether this statement was made by an opposition member or by anyone else; the fact that a human being in an influential position would state that governance isn't necessary is disturbing. Wake up, our elected gurus.


spencer
said

Perhaps Charlie Angus should have used a little more "surveilance" on his constituents......how would he know they were freezing ???


roy
said

All you complaners if you are not doing anything suspicious what have you got to worry about,and this is no different than having video cameras along the street,believe me they are watching you now this just protects the young and innocent.are you child pornographers?


Mark
said

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". If I had a penny, for every far right conservative whose used that as an excuse, I'd be a wealthy man. Perhaps even wealthy enough to lobby or buy my own laws. Blackmail, political dissent, surveillance the list of reasons of how this will be used will grow with each passing day. I'm a computer science student. Let me tell you this is going to cost a near fortune to purchase: hardware, software, maintenance, training for officers and employees, and finally the cost of the unavoidable constitutional challenges.


Archie
said

Of course they would be against it. Lets let everyone get away with anything and then fund things to try to help correct what happen. The NDP way....wow.


roy
said

These NDP-MPs make me laugh they want innocent farmers and sportsmen to register their firearms to protect the innocent yet they don't want to protect our children and grand children,just can't figure them out,honestly they are the ones that go around doing all the protesting.


Paul
said

Hmph!? Looks like Pandas weren't the only thing Mr. Harper brought back from China. You can keep funding your multi-billion dollar long gun registry and ask me a hundred times about my lawfully owned firearms, but you think you can go snooping around in every Canadians life without so much as a warrant?? They will have lost my support FOREVER!! Goodbye small "c", big "C" and every other dictatorial "C" you can scrape off the bottom of an Albertan heffer's hoof !


John Lethbridge
said

My first reaction was discouragement that we would again have to give up some civil liberties. However, at this point the internet has become such a cesspool of crap and folks everywhere who appear 'normal' on the outside are into this filth way over their heads, to the point where they are viewing porn on an 'indiscriminant' basis, as the recently disgraced Catholic Bishop of Ottawa so eloquently put it. Something no doubt has to be done. Unfortunately I think the government's proposed measure is only reactionary, and only a slight deterrent at best. How about some education, like suggesting that too much porn leads to child pornography, violence, etc. (or that porn disgraces women and men and kids, destroys marriages and families, turns old guys into perverts, and ruins countless good people that had everything going for them.) This isn't about a religious ideology, its about valuing family, marriages and basic human dignity.


ed peters
said

What some don't seem to realize and I'm a big RCMP supporter is that this will give the police and Mr Toews (as public safety minister) if he so desires access to all information you seek on line. This means they can look at your income, what you have investments in, what political party you support and how they can obtain your support. This has nothing to do with child pornography. They just arrested around 50 people for that recently and had no problem under present laws. This from a government that was against the long census because they found it too intrusive. This nonsense is something right out of a communist dictatorship. Really strange.


Bruno
said

This is about people in a free country being ab;e to go about there lives without arbitrary snooping by the police. What is wrong with the law as it currently stands whereby the police have to justify their actions to a judge either before or after the viewing?


Niagara George
said

Please do some reading about the beginnings of Hitler's rule in Germany. This would have been one of his laws, for sure. The majority, including the Jews, loved his crack down on criminals and ne'er-do-goods. The 'if you have nothing to hide' argument is nothing but a complete desecration of the very fundamentals of freedom. Every post on this site is recorded for posterity. Will the day come when some wll pay for their opposition to this government?


Ralph Shaw
said

When the Privacy Commissioner of Ont. among others, so clearly speaks out on the lack of credibility of the proposal; Why is there any further consideration to put forth this bill?! Do we not trust and pay for the wisdom and counsel of our Privacy Commissioners? This is truly a black mark on governmental proposals.


Marty in P.A.
said

I justed watched the news and decided I needed to write some thoughts down. Then I read the responses so far. Wow - a lot of angry people out there. Don't know who is worse - Angus (where I am actually surprised he responded so soon... and not in years) or the fear mongers on either side. Is there a better way to catch criminals and terrorists? Not sure. Do I see this as a possibility? Sure. I believe that it could be used for certain goals - catching said criminals and terrorists - and would not be used indiscriminantly. Will have to wait and see.


Mike Wagner
said

I used to work for an ISP that provided evidence of pedophile rings to the police. This is not a matter of the data being hard to obtain for prosecution. This is about skirting due process.After 9/11 Librarians in the US were being publicly humiliated and vilified by the CIA and FBI for the horrible act of... demanding warrants before handing over the information on customer activities.They weren't refusing to provide the information. They were ensuring that the proper legal protections were there.It's no different than when police are given a warrant to search your premises for a certain thing and discover an unrelated crime, something of which you might not even be aware IS a crime. That process protects you from being burned or having unrelated evidence planted to exert pressure.It's important that we address crime, but not by creating avenues for corruption and abuse.


J.C.
said

Well I think it is time that this bill is open for the public to read. I certainly cannot take Charlie Angus word for it. I would like to read it and find out for myself just exactly what powers this bill would give police before I jump on dismissing it or forming a major opinion of it. If it is too broad then it would have to be amended but if it is like a phone book then I would see no problem with it essentially. I certainly don't see the police having time to route through everyone's e-mail or anything else as the amount of traffic on the internet is astounding. They would have to have some kind of legitimate reason for them to spend time doing so. There has to be a centre line drawn between privacy rights and criminal rights. The charter of Rights and Freedoms since it was enacted has given far too many rights to criminals, at a very high cost to tax payers. Personally I preferred the Bill of Rights that we previously had which Trudeau replaced. The only thing that was missing from it was property rights in my mind.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Sometimes passionate ideology turns good intentions into bad and unacceptable legislation. An argument can be made, in the name of public safety, to "open" society entirely to the whims of law enforcement and criminal pursuit. ("Have you got something to hide?") However, of course, courts hold their protective role (ie. issuance of warrants) for a fundamental constitutional reason, and that reason adheres to the legal tenets of presumed innocence and personal privacy. We already have the policing and judicial structure to address unlawful activity (ie. child pornography). This Bill generously accommodates electronic surveillance and monitoring for the purpose of formulating "suspicion" of illegal conduct, and that marks its critical flaw. The Conservatives are mistaken here, and have allowed their ideology to impede their better judgment once more (ie. last week's policy revelation of the usage of information gleaned from torturous activity).


Mrs. Edna Lickamaid
said

I find it interesting that with the way the world is in an uproar of civil strife due to the financial collapse and engineering towards a new world order on the Chinese model "Made in China" that more prisons are being built, jobs lost on shipped overseas, claw backs to pensions and entiltements - all leading to mass unrest, protests and clashes with the powers that be - now they want to spy on people because they're worried about mass organized revolt on par with the Vancouver style riots or Occupy Movements. An old adage explains it best "When the People Fear the Government , there is Tyranny - When the Government Fears the People there is Liberty". They want to control us so we don't cause "them" problems.


Ace in Edmonton
said

How many criminals,terrorists, perverts and pedopholes have been caught due to surveillance of one form or another. And how many victims wish there was a camera around when their rights and safety were being violated by these criminals? Very likely way more than the vehement protesters who think their boring life is of any interest to the authorities. These self-righteous jerk offs who would rather walk by a crime rather than get involved. The world has enough selfish NIMBYs. If you are not a part of the solution . . . you are a part of the problem!


Dave
said

they already have that ability and have used it on many occasions...just formalizing it so they can't have people coming back on them over it....


Diana 3
said

If the government is as stupid as they are catching Chinese hackers/cyber-spies then this won't amount to a hill of beans. Perhaps the Conservatives should be more concerned with their own like Bob Dechert mingling with Chinese spy "Shi Rong" which I note seems to have been quickly dismissed and swept under the carpet. Richard Fadden of CSIS warned Canadians about high political elites working for foreign interests so it seems odd that the average person is considered a bigger threat to our society than those who would sell us out for their own agenda or their own vices be them financial, ideological or sexual.


Hathak
said

Why we don't we revoke democracy, declear emergncy and declare Canada Police State and get it done with?

If the government wanted to do what ever they like to the people and no questiones asked what is the diffrence between us and Saudia Arabia?


David
said

I just hope that the next person that gets seriously hurt or killed is not related to you. Because of your ignorance of this bill, that has just been tabled and not read as of yet. Instead of fear mongering, why not put up some constructive comments. We do need to let our police and spy agencies do proper survelance, so to stop a criminal act before it happens. Most people who hide under the guise of Civil Liberties, are usually the ones commiting a crime. So then I do not understand why the opposition would come out against this bill before it is read, again more fear mongering and a chance to be heard putting the government down.


JP Doiron
said

It is a very sad day when our government is taking pride in erroding our privacy rights. This
government has already enough laws to permit the surveillance of criminal activites. Law enforcement must apply for a warrant if it deems an individual is doing something illegal.

I take great offence by the Justice Minister to include me with Child pornographers. I cherish my freedom of choice and privacy and what I do on the internet is none of his business.

This draconian measure is uncalled for and must be stopped.


Lets protect our rights!!!!!


Fight the Power
said

Those that oppose this bill, Lets use openmedia.ca to lobby on our behalf please make a donation to help finance a campaign against the most obtrusive legislation in Canadian history!


Andrew
said

Readers (and journalists) need to review the actual proposed wording of Bill C-52. It will require web companies to share certain fairly pedestrain information (name, IP address) with the police for the purposes of investigations. Warrants and formal legal authorisation will still be required to access any CONTENT. The opposition is essentially arguing it is ok for corporations to have certain personal info about Canadians but that it is unacceptable for the state to have this same information. This seems startling given the statist convictions of both the NDP and Liberals.


David from Edmonton
said

We are going back to 1984. Big brother will be watching us.


Missy
said

Whats next.?? After they get this ability to track our every move are they going to force us all to give DNA samples. I applaud when they arrest the child abusers which include pornographers. ( which I understand is only about 1% of the total Canadian population). So is 99% of the population suppose to give up our liberties and rights to make this easier on the police. Sorry the police should just do the job like they use to, hit the streets! Be in the community get to know your people. And Tony If I feel the need to use my cell phone or my email to make a complaint to my MPP about a police officer or another elected official or to nag to another family member about my family or acquaintances or co workers, I don't want my complaint being read by someone else, Do i HAVE TO CONDUCT EVERY CONVERSATION IN PERSON NOW? How about emails or mobile conversations to a Lawyer about a divorce? Guess if you do business online that too is no longer private. Are you kidding me.? How about what they use to do.. Get a warrant!!!


Ky @ St. John's
said

I don't agree with this bill whatsoever. Why should we stand beside a Government that considers us equal to child pornographers if we don't support them? Totally outrageous!Most likely after this comment goes through, the Government will find a way to obtain my (and everyone else who have posted) e-mail address using their new bill so they can find a way to charge me (and everyone else) for stating our opinion using freedom of speech.


thomas
said

George Orwell called. He wants his Public Safety Minister back.


No Contest
said

The US proved that they can abuse their constitution and it's citizens rights and freedoms all in the name of "the war on terror". A catch all for all the nefarious activities the government may choose to perform. Slippery slope people. Don't let this happen no matter how they spin it.


Les from Alberta
said

No doubt the Liberals would be nervous......after all they are the masterminds as such plots as Shawinigate and the sponsorship scandal!


lc
said

People who support draconian legislation like this have let partisanship destroy their common sense.They trample over your civil rights in the name of terrorism,come after pensions and health care while cutting tax for the elite,have our troops spilling blood in civil wars where white hats are invisible and now they want to destroy the one venue where free thought has not been replaced by corporate dogma.What is wrong with people who are cheering while a government is literally demolishing the freedoms and rights our ancestors died for?Way past time to get the head out of --------- and wake up!


Jay in Stoon
said

I do not want anyone entering my house, in any way, unless there is reason to do so. My compuoter and what I do on it is legal and noone's business but my own. Just because I have done nothing wrong doesn't mean they should be allowed to watch. Leave your windows open for the neighbourhood next time you go to bed because you have nothing to hide! Why was the RCMP spying on Tommy Douglas, on Bob Rae? Because they had different opinions, that's all. This is a step towards a police state to fill jails that aren't even built yet.


Brian
said

A laughable issue at best. As another commenter mentioned - if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. I'd rather CSIS and the RCMP have my emails or text messages on file if it means the same system helps them catch crooks and terrorists. I'd rather be alive, heck I'd rather we all be alive thanks to the authorities abiltiy to listen into the conversations of crooks and terrorists if it helps them catch the bad guys and prevent crimes and terroist attacks. It's a no brainer. The argument that this is somehow a violation of civil liberties is a farse and that line of thought can only be considered as either paranoia or be attributed to political grand standing from a party who's woeful loss of traction in Canada explains their desperation to find or create an issue that truly resonates with Canadians. No such luck in this case.


Tommy
said

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"........This mentality ignores the concept of civil rights and suppots the notion that the end justifies the means. "Then they came for the criminals and pedophiles, and I wasn't one of those, so I did nothing....Finally they came for me, and there was no one left to help me."


Vanc Guy
said

The opposition blasts everything - how is that news? Re this bill surely everyone realizes that the internet is a new frontier for us and while we figure it out the rules may have to shift a bit.


Island Man
said

By the time Harper's Right Wing Reformers are finished, many Canadians will wake up to realize they made a very bad voting choice in the last election.


Pags
said

It's not about protecting those people that do illegal activities, it's about our fundamental right to privacy.For the same reason a police officer cannot search your car or install a listening device in your home, they shouldn't be able to spy on your internet activities without probable cause and a warrant.


G.C.
said

I better be careful what I type here. The government will soon be watching.


1984
said

Tony, once we lose a right we will never get it back. If you are ok with this, surely you must be ok with spy cameras in every home watching everyone. After all, they will only see you eating a sandwich your wife made you. If you aren't that makes you a hypocrite. There are many people that do a lot of personal and private things online. It is a disgrace that you defend complete breaches of their privacy, unless of course you are fine with cameras in your own home. After all, your not a criminal. Who cares? Nothing to hide right? Especially since the police NEVER abuse their power. Good there are no cases on record of a law enforcement officer abusing his power and privileges. That would be downright stupid to give that sort of power to someone who is capable of abusing it, and the consequences of such abuse.


Steve
said

The Republican Party of Canada strikes again!


dkjd
said

The internet makes it easy for the child pornographers and pedophiles to share and exchange informaiton and images. it is truly the "dark side" of the technology. I have 2 small children and if giving up a small bit of my privicey saves a single child I am ok with that.I am curious though, it seems like the same people who don't want the gov to have this information were the ones having a cow when the government wanted to make the census voluntary.


Jamie D
said

Ha, I love listening to the 'I can't protect my self' or 'I am in danger and I need my leader to protect me' types. Oh yeah, turn the camera's on, this is going to be hilarious! If a person doesn't secure their wireless router now, you are open for a warrant less search as someone could have used your router to download child porn. Better hope you find your kids pot stash before the police do, because with all these new laws and prisons, you won't have to worry about saving that money for helping him/her out in university. (and if I want to search your house all I have to do is show I got your IP/MAC addy from a child porn chat site......say, not prove)....And the Indians pointed at and mocked you for what you did with the land you demanded from them....


Len
said

I can understand and commiserate with the member of parliament, Vic Toews. We do have to protect children. But, at what expense. He is a member of the same government that wants to pass the Omnibus Bill, the same government that wants to waste money by building unneeded prisons. Because of all this hogwash that Mr. Toews spills we have to put up with all rhetoric about saving children. If his government was serious about saving children they would pass an Omnibus Bill that makes child porn a greater offense than being in possession of a couple of joints. In other words, a casual marijuana user is more dangerous, according to the new laws, than a person convicted of displaying child porn. What hypocrecy!


jonah
said

This is probably the beginning to martial law . Sad...


kman
said

In a society where everybody posts a plethora of information about themselves in narcissistic information orgies on facebook and twitter, why are they so afraid to let police agencies have tools to fight the bad guys. Do you really believe the police and the government are going to turn into some evil Orwellian entity? Seriously, this sort of fraidy-cat namby-pamby crap started with Turdeau and his Charter to protect everyone but the victim by giving sweeping rights to criminals. If you are not doing anything qwrong, and you have nothing to hide, then why be frightened of such a bill? If you travel in a plane that flies through US airspace you have no privacy left anyway!By the way, if you think the Conservative government is guilty-until-proven-innocent take a look at anyone who opposed anything even remotely Liberal in the last 2 decades. Yes the Liberal Party of Canada, innocent after proven guilty time and time again


Redneck Albertan
said

Just wondering of all those spewing the rhetoric on either side of the argument, if anyone has actually read a copy of the legislation, or is this another exercise in mindless name calling? Not much purpose to having a comments section if the posts are limited to sheer idiocy.


Zoe
said

Oh look Charlie Angus pretending to be an MP. How cute! In reality , the police arnt going to waste their time with this unless you give them a reason whether this bill passes or not. So if your not a criminal, and arnt doing anything to make the police suspect you of something, then you have nothing to worry about. Not worth losing sleep over guys.


Tony
said

From my perspective, the only people who fear this new legislation are the ones who do criminal activities. If the government wants to listen to my wife asking me to bring home a loaf of bread on my way home from work on my cell, or want to read an e-mail wishing my parents a happy birthday; they can fill thier boots. When you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.


Debbie
said

If Vic Toews gets his way that'll be one more right we can say good-bye to. Facism is no longer sneaking into our government - it's galloping!


sylvie in Ottawa
said

Vic Toews wants to make it easier for any political opposition to be shut down. I urge all political parties to oppose this bill and to scrap any ACTA laws. Any party that votes for this will be remembered the next time we go to the polls.


Intelligent Liberal
said

I totally agree with the NDP's outrage! Although paedophiles are indeed criminals, they have CIVIL RIGHTS! Allowing police to obtain access to their child pornography video productions and blogs is in violation to their personal privacy. Especially in northern communities and reserves where child abuse is rampant, these people are entitled to their privacy. To quote the most famous Prime minister ever, The Government (or police) has no business in the bedrooms or (movie sets) of its citizens!


Adam - GTA
said

I think in the US the government is doing the same thing, saying 'it's to protect children'. What the government wants is more infomation about you, what you are doing and any personal information.


Truth Only
said

I am so sick of the "for the children" argument. The government isn't "for the children" if they label children sex offenders or trial them in adult court! If the cons hated child porn then why do they allow the police to trade it? For the children? Ha! More like for a sexual dysfunctional ideology that states we must be ashamed of who we are. Good that the oppositions are AGAINST child sex abuse by putting the cons in their place


Mike Wagner
said

Vic Toews wants to protect children by creating blanket surveillance of the internet?If Mr Toews really wanted to protect children he would move to criminalize the Catholic Church in Canada, and seize all property and tithes taken in since the first reported cases of abuse instead.That kind of money could go a long way towards counseling victims and those who have pedophilic urges before they act on them.Put your money where your mouth is, sir.


Phil Venninckx
said

Harper Governments New Stance...Guilty Until Proven Innocent.......See Also It Shouldn't Matter If You Have Nothing To Hide...What A Joke Our Country Has Become, Hopefully Someone Takes This To The Supreme Court


Dan
said

What's this about spies, you guys are laughable.


Jarrett
said

Vic Toews is fear mongering at the cost of our civil liberties.


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Protesters opposing Quebec student tuition fee hikes demonstrate in Montreal, Sunday, May 27, 2012. (Graham Hughes / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Quebec, students resume talks on tuition hikes

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