Harper considering raising OAS age to 67

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks during a plenary session at the 42nd Annual Meeting of the World Economic Forum, WEF, in Davos, Switzerland, Thursday, Jan. 26, 2012. (Jean-Christophe Bott / Keystone)

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Date: Thu. Jan. 26 2012 5:14 PM ET

The Conservative government is considering raising the age Canadians can receive the Old Age Security benefit from 65 to 67, CTV News has learned.

In the keynote address at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Prime Minister Stephen Harper promised major reforms on retirement pensions, environment approvals and immigration policy.

"In the months to come, our government will undertake major transformations to position Canada for growth over the next generation," Harper said in his speech, referring to the upcoming budget.

Harper didn't mention specific reforms in the speech but said Canada needs to find savings in the Old Age Security benefit, as Canada's aging population is growing more expensive and the current model is unsustainable.

"Our demographics also constitute a threat to the social programs and services that Canadians cherish," he said.

The Canada Pension Plan "does not need to be changed," Harper said, because it is fully funded. But as the population ages, OAS costs are expected to rise to $108 billion a year in 2030 from $36 billion in 2010. That's because the number of Canadians over 65 will rise to 9.3 million in 2030 from 4.7 million in 2010.

Speaking to reporters in Ottawa Thursday, NDP MP Peter Julian said raising the retirement age is "completely unacceptable."

"The reality is, Canadians want to see retirement security put in place," Julian said, noting that "thousands" of seniors live in poverty. "For Mr. Harper to say: ‘Well, work two more years and then you can retire,' is not appropriate."

The NDP is proposing instead an increase in CPP contributions and further investment from the government in the plan.

Julian also criticized Harper for discussing pension plan reforms "with billionaires" in Davos "before holding that discussion here in Canada."

Back in Davos, Harper also said Canada's economic needs must drive reform when it comes to immigration.

"We will ensure that, while we respect our humanitarian obligations and family-reunification objectives, we make our economic and labour force needs the central goal of our immigration efforts in the future," he said.

The prime minister also said it was a national priority to "ensure we have the capacity to export our energy products" and said upcoming changes to the regulatory review process will look to avoid "delay merely for the sake of delay."

Harper's speech was a sales pitch to the political and financial leaders, touting Canada as a safe place to invest in the midst of global economic uncertainty.

He vowed to push ahead with plans to streamline environmental approvals for major energy projects and to develop ways to export energy to Asia.

Harper also suggested Western countries have taken their wealth for granted and imperiled the global economy by ringing up too much debt.

"I ask whether the creation of economic growth, and therefore jobs, really is the number one policy priority for everyone," he said.

"Or is it the case that in the developed world, too many of us have, in fact, become complacent about our prosperity, taking our wealth as a given, assuming it is somehow the natural order of things?"

Trade deal with Europe

Earlier on Thursday, British Prime Minister David Cameron touted the value of a free trade deal between the European Union and Canada.

A potential free-trade deal with the EU has been under discussion for some time, but Cameron urged leaders to focus on concluding the details quickly.

Cameron referred to his agenda as "unashamedly pro-business"

Harper will also be meeting personally with Cameron, a fellow Conservative.

Canada's debt load is much lower than most developed countries. However, Harper has still made the elimination of the deficit a medium-term priority.

The upcoming federal budget is expected to detail extensive cuts in government spending.

The main focus for many delegates at the forum has been the ongoing economic turmoil and looming debt crisis in Europe.

On Wednesday during her opening address, German Chancellor Angela Merkel disappointed many by saying that increasing the size of a bailout fund for the eurozone was not an option.

Members of the European Union are trying to find ways to stimulate economic growth and job creation without running up the national debt.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Jim Blair
said

Harper Conservatives considering raising Old Age Security (OAS) from 65 to 67 !!!Canadians with low income and lost pension benefits from companies going bankrupt are now being targeted by the Harper conservatives!!!All canadians should protest this by emailing their MP and all opposition parties (get the email addresses on Government of Canada website)

Katie
said

Mr. Harper's arrogance shines through once again. How considerate of him too announce plans to the "world" before letting Canadians in on them. Perhaps the age needs to rise to 67. However the cutting of corporate taxes has got to be addressed. And who else can work for a company for such a short time and receive a pension for life? How is that fare? His remark about seniors getting too expensive is thoughtless and just plain ignorant in my opinion. Who has been paying into programs etc. all these years? He and his cronies are the ones who are getting too expensive!

harlo macdonald
said

like it or not in years to come the age limit will be changed , not only in canada but the states and europe as well. people are working and living longer. the people who are on welfare and disability pnsions will still get there cheques. what has happined in greece could happen here dow the road. having said that government expenses like mps pensions and other things will also need to be looked. all governments waste money., no matter who is in power.

Ottawa Jack
said

No better time to do a complete review of MPs & Senators pensions & benefits. Major changes in these areas must be recommended & implemented.

Ron.J
said

Now that Harper got his much sought after majority he can do whatever he wants. He'll bow to the super rich & big business. Raising the oap to 67 from 65 doesn't sound like much if you have a decent income to go along with it. A lot of people don't. The people that really need the money he'll deprive. I was really afraid when he got his majority & this just the start. We still have another 4 yrs of this. The middle class will be taxed more to raise money to pay for all his other granular idea's.

stevo
said

For a Prime Minister who is so obviously "business above all else" to talk about OAS reform that impacts the poor the most is a joke. It reminds me of Thomas Jefferson when he wrote in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal while dozens of African Americans toiled on his plantation. If business is so important and you have all the answers Mr. Harper, then use your genius to invest pension contributions more effectively.

Gord.,Nova Scotia
said

Come on people please read the story..."ctv has learned"...this is not a fact..yet. The Conservatives are making changes but the Prime Minister has not said he wants to change the age to 67 for the OAS...lets wait and see..what he has to say before letting the media whip up a storm with a story that they"have Learned"...lets stick to the facts...please !

kelee877
said

I am so fed up with these idiots scrapping everything off of my back. I go out and work my job, I now get less take home pay because of more taxes being taken from my cheque..I pay more housing taxes and more taxes on hydro,gas and food prices are going up again. Its time we eighter stand up for our rights as a counrty or these crooked politicans and eveil banksters will take us completly over and we will have nothing left but carboard boxs as houses in the streets...WE DID NOT cuase these fianancial problems and yet we have to pay for them and thier mistakes and they get the big arse bonus' and golden pensions...time to have a Canadian wide strike against them and thier idiot policies...

WIseman
said

If these "Free Trade Agreements" are so good, then why are we doing so poorly? The truth is they are just more gifts to the Corporate business interests. Now they can make their products with the cheapest slave labour they can find (under a $1 an hour and 12+ hour days) and with little to no environmental or human rights controls. Then, as if that wasn't enough, we reduce the taxes they pay and shift that load onto Canadians to pay. Harper is pushing the Enbridge pipeline project that will send our oil to China for refining. How does that create any real jobs? Harper dances the Corporate Jig and gives his backers anything they want. How about giving Harper his pink slip and letting him know his Jig is up.

Brad Northwestern Ontario
said

Canadians Can now give themselves a good slap in thier own faces for election a conservative Majority!!! let see if we elect them back in 2015

Joe Canadian
said

Remember the good old days when tossing around ideas about cuts to necessary programs were sent out by the government in the form of a public plebiscite or poll?
If Joe Canadian was to vote for someone that may reek of public responsibility, alas the smart candidate may not possess enough flash or glittery platform promises to lead us to the proverbial, unattainable dress in the window. If you vote for the party, your vote will be divisive. If you become educated, informed it is a vote for common sense. This is actually a quality that's kept Canada in high regard globally for decades.

Wiseman
said

Harper & the PCs have run up the deficit so he can cut social programs. Just search "starve the beast" and you can see what this is all about. Harper is going to show his true colors. Big Business will get more breaks and maintain their low tax rates with the people paying the bill. Corporations and the people used to split the cost of running this country. Now the people pay the bill? Sending Canadian oil to China to be refined does not create any real jobs here. Harper wants to sign more trade deals and send more of our jobs overseas. George W Bush did the same tings to the US and how did that work for them? Funny he wants us to believe that we went to Libya to improve the lives of the people there. But his policies do nothing but hurt average Canadians!

John Campbell
said

I think it's a good idea for Canadians to contact their Member of Parliament directly or write/e-mail Ottawa to express their unhappiness about the government'sproposal of increasing the age for OAS from age 65 to 67.

PMinVIC
said

GREAT! I pay into my OAS for a lifetime and he can totally screw this up. MP's work for 8 years and get a golden parachute of a pension. This government was bad news from the get go and now we are all going to pay. I hope we band together in a court challenge. We paid with an implicit agreement that OAS is provided at 65 - they need to be taken to task.

Janie Dunning
said

I would like to know why the PM can't take a look at the pensions that he and his fellow politicians will start receiving LONG before they are 65 yrs old. Those pensions would make a huge difference in the pension plan, and believe me many of them aren't even baby boomers. The statement that politicians work long hours and are away from their families for long periods of time. Well Mr. PM I worked for 2 jobs for the first 12 years of my sons life just to make it. So I think we are even, You can bloody well wait for your pension to 65 just like I have to. You should be ashamed, not only as a human, but as a leader of this beautiful country.

Claude
said

Rules are rules, laws are laws. So i can break them when i see fit.

Anne
said

Dear Harper haters. Hate him all you want, but he's not the one responsible for doubling the population of seniors by 2030. The money to pay for all these seniors have to come from somewhere. Please submit to the government a detailed and plausible report as to how YOU would address this crisis rather than lazily hating a man who at least has a solution albeit an imperfect one.

DC in AB
said

Some of you people need to do a little research: Old Age Security IS NOT CPP! Not sure how many people here fell out of the stupid tree, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot. To those of you who are in the know, thanks for your more intelligent posts/debate.

Jack Chit: You need to get a lot farther away than
said

Bye the way Stevie, you need to get a whole lot farther away not to feel our wrath over this one!

May I suggest MARS, or the bottom of the sea.

You have to be one dumb lug nut if you think you can float that stupid-assed idea over us from Germany.

And hey, priorities man, priorities. Stop wasting billions on those grandstanding ops like the G8, and G12, and you'd have the money you need to pay our pensions. There are thousand of similar money wasting things going on in your government. Dammit, when we elected you, you said you'd stop those, and yet, they keep happening.

What we elect you for fool? Do your real job, and stop the grandstanding!

P McGuire
said

A lot of people here knocking Harper for possibly raising OAS to 67. Thats fine. But why on earth should I, a 32 year old, hard working man have to pay for old people who were too stupid to prepare for retirement in the first place? OAS is a joke... and so is CPP. I know they taught you old fogies to save save save and I don't accept the "But we couldn't afford it" crap that you spew... my cost of living is MUCH higher than yours based on today's dollars... and yet I still save 15%. I don't need to pay for YOUR MISTAKES. You made your cardboard box, now lie in it.

Jack Chit: You don;t get jack for 6 years work!
said

I don't know why Harper wants to reduce our pensions, when his own MP's get pensions after a piddly SIX YEARS!

In our pension plans you don't get Jack Chit for 6 years of pension eligibility.

Steve, if you want a place to start pension reform, start in your own building.

Start by giving MP's:

1. Defined Contribution Plans,
2. Pensions after 67 years only,
3. Taxpayers pay equal amount to what MP's put in, like our Defined Contribution Plans,
4. And if you get unelected after 4 or 5 years, you get your money back, and precious little else!

When the sobbing, and under-the-table bickering settles down to a mere guerilla war, then talk to us about our pensions.

Oh, and the Canada Pension Plan is now below half the poverty line. That means that even if you doubled it, we'd still need the food banks to survive.

You need to double the CPP pension today!

I'd keep in mind that in less than 5 years, the largest block of voters will be just over 65 years old. Also keep in mind that about that time, you will be required to call an election. You might want to start writing your losers speech now cuz we already know how we are going to fill out our ballots then.

So, as Oscar Leroy on Corner Gas would say - Bye Jack-Ass!

noodle
said

So lets give the EU a few more Billion, run up some more debt on the taxpayers backs, this is all premeditated moves. You and I get to work longer now, and for less real soon as these guys cannot stop. Our taxes will be hiked, or maybe just another shell game.Lets see a few years ago there was a surplus in EI, both gov'ts raided that. Now A hike in EI premiums. Really now, everyone cries anti conservative, when one is no different than the other. Its all a corrupt good old boys club. The sooner everyone realizes this the sooner we come up with a better plan. We need a move away from this organized crime ring we have in place now.

Mark
said

Mister Harper. I am a life long conservative supporter, but no way will I support you on this. Seniors need compassion and allot more money than they presently receive to get them out of poverty. Your suggestion is actually sickening to me. The money can be found in many other areas. If you do this guaranteed you will lose the next election.

Dallas
said

Canadians wake-up! It is the let's deal with it later attitude that has got us into this situation. For decades it has been known that the system was not sustainable. Fact is people are now living longer and having a living condition at 65 than they were even 30 years ago. This is a step that has to be done in order to ensure it lasts past the few that will get the OAS pension in the next 2 or 3 years. It sucks but some personal savings and restraint could go along way in making your lives better at retirement age. Don't get me wrong there are lots of ways to save money in the govt and MPs pensions would be a good start but face reality in order to survive the OAS pension will have to be revamped in one or more ways!

just old
said

Better to adjust the clawback limit to make OAP adjustments than to raise the entitlement age. That way people with larger incomes offset the increasing costs while low income seniors still enjoy the meager benefits of OAP and the GIS.

Rebecca
said

In addition to Harper's announced plan, what also put me off was that it felt disrepectful not to provide this information to Canadians on Canadian soil before he spoke at this gathering. Kind of like teenagers who tell their friends about a decision they have made without letting their parents know first. I am grateful for my pension and hope those younger than myself will not have to wait until 67. This is a very important decision.

Work o holic
said

Hurray, I make too much money anyway. Let's make it 71!

Ryan, Guelph
said

This sort of thing is inevitable, really. Pensions and old age security were set up in an age where people weren't living so long. With people living longer, healthier lives, and not having as many children, and young people unable to find employment, something has to give. Don't be surprised it this goes further in the future, either raising the age more, or getting rid of it completely. Our population is going to get top heavy with seniors who don't pay into the system that they rely on. It doesn't matter what gov't is elected, our social systems were not designed for this great imbalance.

Hilton Shand
said

Cut back on programs that support consumer spending and cut taxes to corporations. This is why the economy always slows down when Conservatives are in office. (Since 1970 the average GDP growth has been 5% while Conservatives are in office, and while the Liberals have been in office average GDP growth has been 9%.)

tom in Toronto
said

I am going to contact a layer, who will help me to bring the grand thief Harper to justice.He is planning to steal billions of dollars from the pocket of older Canadians!There is definitely a criminal intent.The punishment should fit the crime,. In addition to jail no pension for him and whoever is in his cabinet.It is the older people who can not get a job in this economy.An MP can retires at 55, and gets pension only after being 6 years in Parliament.Harper probably is not aware of this, because it just under his nose!

realist
said

absolutely the right call by harper. the govt doesnt owe anyone retirement and your neighbor shouldnt be obligated to pay for your retirement either. the stats are clear that if oas is to last at all, something must change because of the ratio of workers to recipients. the ndp and other socialists still dont realize that eventually you run out of othrr peoples money.

Jamie D
said

Harper is a great man. Lets cut the pensions and use that money to jail more pot heads! Seniors will just die anyways.How about we just cut the pensions and not use the money. Like real conservatives.

JEAN-CLAUDE
said

Well Harper you're doing it again another bright idea! Why don't you move it to age 97 so only a few of us will ever get a chance to have a penny?. And making the announcement in Switzerland--what about discussing this with Canadians first? Here's a thought-how about cutting back on pensions for MPs and the Senate? Oh, and maybe some of those new jails. Or, you could raise corporate taxes.

Doug On
said

Relax everybody. The PM is speaking to the world's wealthiest investors and financiers. What do they want to hear? Less government spending, streamlined pensions, lower taxes, more innovation and education. He is just taking advantage of a great opportunity to show Canada as a great place to invest in. Isn't that why he is there ?

Tom in Vancouver
said

I'm a 23 year old graduate with 2 years working experience in sales and consulting. I've been job hunting for 6 months now and can't apply for EI because my last year of work was abroad. I sometimes have the feeling that after putting in all the study and working time to get a job and build a career I'm entitled to live outside of this crap situation, rather than flipping burgers to afford groceries.But you know what? That's the way the world is right now. To you poor poor 60 somethings who have to work for 2 more years, deal with reality. You are entitled to nothing unless it is sustainable. It's not my generation's fault that you designed a flawed system that now needs to be adjusted, now live with the adjustments that will fix your mistakes.

GVR
said

I didn't vote for him. Did you ?

Chris, Alberta
said

...and so it begins! All along we have been promised that the CPP plan we are forced pay into will be there for us when we reach 65. I knew they were lying. It's a scam.

larry in winnipeg
said

When the retirement age was set at 65, few people lived to age 80. Now there are quite a few living to 90 and beyond. It is pretty hard to plan for retirement at 65 when you may still have 30 years to live unless you have a very good (government) pension plan. Many companies are finding it hard to sustain the generous pensions from decades past and this will get worse. The reality of the situation is that we are expecting fewer taxpayers to support a much larger load. I agree that the first place to cut should be the pensions for MPs. However, even eliminating them completely wouldn't save enough so more measures have to be taken. It is easy to say the government should fund pensions more but what you are really saying is that working people have to pay higher taxes. I don't think you will find much agreement for this from workers who already see a pretty large chunk of each check taken by governments. I, for one, will choose to work past 65 - just enjoying work too much to stop. And I can't see any sense in a senior scraping by on OAS if he is still able to work.

Ann H
said

Already many seniors are working to keep food on the table,etc. as pensions are inadequate.Also their investments have not proven to be the nest egg they had counted on. At least the pensions may allow them to only be part time workers. My concern is once we start raising the age, the next step is to cut the amounts seniors receive. Mr. Haprer you are living up to your conservative roots. Maybe the age which you receive your Public funded pension should be raise to 75 or even 80 with a 5% cut each year that you take it early.

WesternInvestor
said

I listened to Mr. Harper's speech in Davos. Nowhere did he state that his government is planning to raise the age of entitlement for OAS to 67. Is this simply more "anti-Harper", loopy-left scaremongering by Toronto's socialist media, or is there actually some facts to this reporting? In either case, raising the entitlement age to 67 is very much in keeping with demographic and social trends around the globe. So, what's the problem?

David
said

I am all for a system that doesn't allow for some person who floats over here on a two litre pop bottle to collect OAS as soon as they get here at 65.....if they have to wait 2 more years to collect without ever having to put a dime into the program .....perfect......

Sandra Johnston
said

Nobody complained when baby boomers filled government coffers with one new tax after another. Now that they are about to collect OAS suddenly they are "burdens". Suddenly they are told they have to work five more years before they can retire. What have governments done with all that money the boomers have paid into all those programs? I mean, in addition to the cadillac pensions paid to politicans.

Sharon
said

Politicians pensions increase annualy...they keep voting themselves more and more for their retirement.... The average Canadian can just "wait"
And new comers to this Country get all kinds of monetary bennefits right away.... Everything about this Government is so unfair....

Brandon
said

All you people complaining about Harper? No way! Can't be the same people that were all wooo hooo wooo Conservative majority Yes! Woo! last May. Too bad so sad, you wanted a con majority, you got it! Tough love.

Ottawa Jack
said

What year & under which government was the OAS previously reduced from 70 years to the present 65 years?/ Just wondering ..............

WesternInvestor
said

Ah, with early signs of reduced government spending, the pigs are already squealing, as seen in this forum. My message: get used to it. And there is more to come, because there is no longer enough economic growth (money) to give "free" social benefits to all. As we will soon see, the free lunch is over for all but those who really need social assistance. And that doesn't include those who have not helped themselves along the way, which is mostly those who are squealing on this site.

DL in Kingston
said

Isn't is just great how Harper presented this 'option' in front of billionaires with no debate or discussion in Canada? He also made comments on being 'pro-business' and didn't even mention being-pro Canadian families. He's getting the country ready for future generations. What about the present generations? I wonder how he'll ready the country for future generations, when today, youth (18-25) unemployment is around 14% and getting worse? This generation needs decent paying jobs to support themselves while contributing taxes toward the CPP, OAS, infrastructure, health care and education. No jobs and/or no decent paying jobs = zero to minimal taxes collected. Ah, but MPs are in their ivory towers and contributing almost nil toward their gold-plated pensions. Guaranteed the Harper Government MPs won't have to worry about OAS. No wonder we have all these cuts as now we need to get ourselves out of the hole Harper put us in by spending $billions on the crime bill (no final amount known yet and stats indicate crime is going down), to DND for the new aircraft, to the G20, $billions in lost revenue with the HST cuts. All while Canadian families take the hit right in their pockets. Hey, Harper was right! We won't recognize this country after this reformer is through with it..

limits of life
said

Horray for Harper to cut down our deficit. Canadians must realize that some people will have to sacrifice just as when we fought in the two World Wars. To cut off Old Age Security entirely will be better to return to balance the federal budget. It was Trudeau who overspend our budget particularly on bilingualism. Now its time to pay it off. One important solution is for those who never earned a high income and never had any children to support must be required to take a sleeping pill before the age of 70. That is one way to save billions to pay off the deficit. That is a necessary sacrifice. This time let`s ignore Amnesty International guidelines and if anyone want to escape this sacrifice while they earned a low income then leave Canada to a cheaper third world country.

Nicole
said

The comments from the majority of individuals below are really against this. I won't be over 65 come 2030, but I'm with Mr. Harper on this. You have to have sustainable programs. You can't just bury your head in political rhetoric and pretend that billion dollar deficits are a long term plan. And I don't want higher taxes. Not that I think seniors are the first group that should be targeted. But I'm betting most of you think the Greeks are off their rockers when it comes to their retirement demands and the comments below I see as a shade of that grey.

dante
said

I think that our so called "Leaders" in government should lead the way with adjustments in their pensions in equal compensation for the extra years people will need to work. If Harper insists on pursuing this then I would like to know his exact plan so that those over 50 can even get a job in this immigrant choked, short term business climate that has been spawned from stupid immigration policies. Mr. Harper you need to fix the job market before you can ask people to work for another few years.. There must be work for those coming up. God no wonder the economy is in such horrendous shape, with such stupid ideas being made public without even the slightest hint that they thought about it other than look at some spreadsheet by some Elite U grad who advised on derivatives. Cart before the horse = work longer before there are jobs.

Doug
said

The problem with Canadians is that we have lost our focus on math and sciences. Like JAG, most Canadians can't figure out why our OAS costs will triple when the number of Canadians collecting OAS only doubles in 20 years. A simple logic problem that most people in Singapore, London, or Bombay could easily figure out.We will likely have these dudes booted out of office by self imposed math geniouses like JAG, and then end up like Greece.

Wendy
said

Harper is basically saying, I'm not doing a very good job I've spent billions of you dollars and have failed so you old folks are going to have to work a couple years extra to make up for my incompetence.

JLK
said

the NDP's solution - tax the crap out of everybody.

Mike
said

I thought the pipelines and our ethical oil was going to pay for these types of social programs??? Isn't that what Harper said? Lots of jobs and lots of money for social programs, hmmmm I guess he was talking out of his a$$ again, that's usually where s*%t comes from.

Greg
said

Harper wants to work Canadians into an early grave, real nice guy. And talking out of the other side of his mouth, Canada is doing great. If Canada was doing so well we would be retiring earlier not later. A responsible government would be changing the CCP, duh Steve you increase contributions so that people iln your country are taken care of not left to rot when they get old. Harper is just too stupid to figure that one out. Obviously if he's looking to take money from the elderly he's spent way more than what were being told. A government that isn't looking out for the elderly isn't worth CRAP

Sandra Reyn
said

Another article on what we as seniors have to look forward to! At my next regular physical, I can now say I am tired of paying for expensive medications to regulate my blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol etc., it just isn't going to be beneficial to keep myself healthy enough to stay in the work force for another Lord knows how many years ....... just legalize euthanasia and be done with it, it would be much more compassionate! We were raised to respect and care for our seniors, so we are poorly prepared to deal with a society that is lead by a government that sees us only as burdons now that it is time to give back.

Brett in Montreal
said

We always hear about "seniors living in poverty" from the the NDP and the left in general. Fact: Canadians aged 50 and over possess 75% of this nations wealth. I wonder how many people over 65 in this country actually NEED this handout. Abolish entitlement programs for the elderly entirely.

cHARLES
said

Somehow we have to pay out billions more dollars to seniors in a few years, yet we should cut taxes, according to the Libs and NDP'ers. Do they have a formula for growing money on trees? Smarten up people, it's going to be tough and there is no way around it. If drastic steps are not taken now, you folks who are still several years away from retiring better start praying. It'll be in a better place shortly - thank God..

Debbie
said

Hark! I think I hear the death knell of the Conservation Government. That man is a fool and Canadians don't suffer fools for very long.

canadian kim
said

Egotistical, short sighted, greedy, disrespectful and shameful. No amount of money will buy clean air and water once the environment is polluted and degraded beyond repair. Harper doesn't have a holistic bone in his body. All he wants is to sell us all out to his corporate buddies, forces our seniors to work longer and rape our resources. Our number one priority should be to ensure a better life for our children by protecting our environment not digging it up and selling it off in a broken economic model. We should be adapting while we are still ahead. Investing in research and development of clean energies and sustainable long term socially responsible jobs.

Frank Buchan
said

The OAS age requirement will rise under Harper, or some successive government, because realistically that age was set many moons ago when the life expectancy was different than it is today. And ultimately that's part of the dynamic problem that also affects health care funding so dramatically. We live longer, and the cost of those few extra years is often quite a bit higher. And, no, I'm not ridiculously advocating we bump off seniors with health problems, just observing that we have scarcity issues.And to all those screaming foul about how long we've all paid taxes, consider that if prudent fiscal planning had happened under ANY government in the last 50 years, we wouldn't have this issue to deal with today. Not dealing with it only shunts it to our children, and grandchildren, whom will eventually have to deal with a crisis rather than managed change. You would think generations who claim to be such hard workers wouldn't mind putting forward some effort to avoid saddling their children's grandchildren with the pain.

KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

The myth is that the extra time is of equal quality. Even accepting that people are apparently living longer -- (and I say apparently because all the people I entered school with have died long before age 65) -- so 70 may be the new 60 -- but the years from 70 to 80 are certainly not going to be like the years from 60 to 70 for anyone. Don't be delusional. The human physiology hasn't changed very much if any over the last 25 centuries. Old is still old. This smacks of more broken promises. Meanwhile the civil service is sitting pretty with indexed pensions ten years sooner than OAS becomes available -- and Parliamentary pensions are an even bigger obscenity.

TB
said

I'm not a big fan of Harper, but I agree this is the RIGHT move.We can't all be retired and just expect the food to magically appear on our tables. Stuff gets done because people WORK. Look at Greece.

MN from MB
said

Time for the people of this great country to rise up in peaceful protest. It worked in the middle east, there is only one thing to do to a dictator, and that is remove him from office. I hope the unions of this great nation unit and let's see how the Conservative's fix the economy when everyone walks off their jobs and we have a national strike. Time to say enough is enough!

Guy G
said

How about if the MPs and senators had to wait 'till they were 67 to collect their insidiously, outrageous pensions? That might help, Eh Harper? Who am I kidding, that'll NEVER happen!

Margaret E
said

Asa recipient of the CPP disability benefit, the raising of the OAS to age 67 would be devastating to me. When I turn 65 this year, my disability benefit will automatically convert to the retirement benefit, which is about half of the disability amount. Without the OAS, I will not have enough to live on. If we're going to change the system, we need to look at the system as a whole. You can't change OAS without recognizing the effect it will have on those of us who are dependent on government benefits.

John - Montreal
said

Being the majority in power, he can put into law to raise the age 67 for OAS. But I tell you now if that happens, I will attempt with every breath to vote him out of power and have the law rescind. And also reimburse those who qualified for OAS at 65.

John Thompson
said

Why are you people worrying about retirement. The real future for Canadians is joining the great 2nd world. This is where you work 2 or 3 jobs at wages slightly about minimum wage with no benefits. When you get to 67 you will have little time left to live and no money to spend. This will accomplish two things. You will be taxed to the max while you work and pay your CPP premiums without fail and you will die shortly after the age of 67 thus making a massive donation to the government coffers. Welcome to Harper's great new Canada. Of course, this doesn't apply to the rich and political elite.

KC BC
said

Totally agree with the statement below on $ spent on bilingualism. As a senior about to apply for OAS I must agree that the age for receiving the benefit must be raised for sustainability. However provision must be made for those less fortunate. Put ina tougher means test for those more fortunate. All countries just cannot afford huge entitlements any more.

jim in ontario
said

Harper makes too many importamt statements out of the country BS ing other leaders and trying to look like mr know it all. I think he is getting afraid and hopefully so, of being attacked in his own country, Should this happen he deserves it. he is slowly becoming an absolute dictator in this own office, definaitely not considering the average Canadian trying to live day to day.,

Libertarian
said

Dig a financial hole with unnecessary consumption tax reductions. Let more corps. skip out on paying their fair tax bill. Plan massive capital expenditures with money you don't have on things that have no ROI. Grow the government, deficit, patronage to never seen before heights. Then announce at the swanky Swiss retreat that the deserving seniors can't retire yet because there's no money. Mr. Harper is a disgrace to this country. Pye and others on this site will tell you he is the best thing since sliced bread. He is not. He cares not one iota about regular canadians because he is consumed by ideology that consistently leaves out the human equation. He has to go.

bob
said

Mr. Harper has a plan. He wants his gold plated retirement early. If he changes the OAS to 67 he will get it in the next election.

Jim in Ontario
said

The government knew the baby boomers were coming along and yet they spent over their heads with no concern for those numbers elegible for OAS. This typically shows that they have no interest in the old people of this land...or any Canadians for that matter. We are taxed to the hilt and pay extreme prices for things yet he is willing to spend moey on new jets and ships that will do didly squat in the scheme of things. His head is not screwed on...that;s for sure. Whenever he starts to miss funds it's the tiny Canadian that gets the hit every time. Time for some of those eastern rebellions to happen as this guty is an absolute idiot when it comes to running a country successfully. I wish him some catastrophy in life so that he can feel how the average canadian lives on a day to day them. Right not it's all numbers to hit...just like the native issure. No common sense.

Canadian Bob
said

My Gosh. The Conservative crowd got quiet all of a sudden didn't they? Are we seeing this "I couldn't have voted wrong so I'll be quiet on this one" attitude? Or would you all like to come forth and justifiably explain to the MAJORITY of Canadians how MP's deserve atrocious pensions after just 6 years of Minority service while your beloved PM du jour blesses hurting the very people who led the way for your exalted grand poobah to be in office?He picks on our seniors? He picks Old Age Security as a way to raise money while granting it all willy nilly elsewhere? Who does this complete numbskull thing he's fooling other than his glued-on right wingers like Marg MM and Prof. Pye Chartt? This is a Canadian SHAME!

Jill
said

I assume Harper is aware that OAS is CLAWED BACK based on income test so many many seniors never get OAS and as such it is only paid to those who actually likely need the income?Too bad there is no sense of any fairness on the excessively generous MP indexed (10%) pension which are so far is excess of ever the most generous large corporation that they are undefendable and have been for years!!What would CANADA save if these were brought into line with the MARKET PLACE??

Old Ted
said

They always talk about growth but never explain why we need it. Google Dr. Albert Bartlett for a very simple explanation as to why we do NOT need any more growth in any form. Working for 35-40 years, pay your taxes then have the government change the rules sure isn't fair, honest, nor right, especially when they have mismanaged the country into the financial mess that it finds itself in. I've never counted on the government nor the company I worked for to be around to keep my pensions coming, so I'll be ok. Not too many can say that, but they have no one but themselves to blame. You would be a fool to trust a politician and put your security in their hands. Gertting into debt is simple and easy. Getting out is the hard part. Right or wrong, we are all in this together and we are ALL going to take a hit whether we like it or not. The best bet would be to outlaw deficit spending. It's that simple. When the well runs dry, there is no more water.

Cal in Ottawa
said

This idea of retiring at age 65 came about when people were only living until 75. Now the avg age of death is in the 80's. Oh, and we have a birth rate of about 1.5/1000, so we don't have enough kids to maintain our population. So do the math, an aging population and longer life expectancy should logically equate to higher retirement age.

Laurie
said

Well I am only three years away from collecting OAS but if having to wait another two years will be good for our country then lets do it. I am not wealthy, and I am working three part time jobs, but it is largely our generation that put our country in a risky financial position and we should be willing to bite the bullet for two years and help out.For all you complainers out there, shut the hell up and quit waiving your "we want a hand out" ndp flags.

Cyril
said

While increasing the age limit for pensions, the gov't should extend the ability to pay into RRSPs past the age of 70. As lomg as a person works, they should be allowed to stash cash in an RRSP.

Barry Wynn
said

Tell the PM to get out of our House. We don't need a hardcore man who doesn't tell us that 430 billion dollars take home pay for the CN Government is not enough. A question? Who needs the O A Pension the most? Aborigines do.The hardcore PM needs money to pay 35 billion dollars for jet fighters i.e. F-35s. He needs 33 billion dollars for his Irving Warships disguised as Ice breakers. He already slashed the Unemployment Insurance program. Impossible to collect as to regulations for qualifications. Next election hardcore banana man is out!!! Now the old timers will need 4.5 gallon slop pails.

Davos Your Clock is Ticking!
said

The masses around the world be it in Asia or North America are destined to the plans of the Global World Elite and their IMF puppeteers. No better than the slavery of the deep colonial American south foisted onto the blood, sweat and tears of African slaves is today's new "Globalism/Emerging Markets "Made in China" ChinaMart scam to make us all poor and heavier in debt so European Royalty, wealthy elites can further draw interests off of our stuggle and desperation. The jigs up! Feudalism eventually leads to revolt and ultimately emancipation. The masses are getting very very very restless and the clock is ticking.

John Ontario
said

Mr. Harper is totally missing the working people. Some of us labour on factory floors, stores, warehouses and farms wearing out our bodies to the max to support our families. We are not pencil pushers who can retire at 55 with a golden pension. We are people who toil day in and out and suffer the effects of our bodies wearing out. I for one cannot make it to 67 my lower back is shot with herniated disks and I am trying to get close to 65, and thats another 9 years away. But Mr. Harper if you try to push it to 67, I guess i will have to go on a disability pension. My late Uncle has always said it seems that all politicians once elected loose touch with the real world once their in ottawa. I'm beginning to believe it.

kman
said

Why does no one blame the Liberal pirates who plundered EI and CPP to make political hay? "Yay .... we balanced the budget by screwing over all of the people who are too young to vote at this time." Thanks be unto the dream team, Jean-mar the financial stability obliterators

GCB Oromocto
said

I think the first place to look for cuts is MPs pensions. It is unbeliveable that just after 6 years they can have a pension and the average Canadian has to work at leat 25 yrs and now they want seniors to work until they are 67. Why make this announcement outside of Canada?

Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

I am well past 65 and do not collect either CPP or OAS as I still draw a good income and it would be largely clawed back in any case. I have always felt that CPP and OAS, like our provincial health care plans could not be sustained from the very day both became compulsory in the 1960s. This is becoming all too evident.

That said, I can understand the outrage of many. You have been lead to believe that by paying in to CPP you would be entitled to full benefits at age 65 and in fact our very benevolent Liberal Government in the Trudeau years said age 60 so long as you had stopped working and were prepared to take a lesser amount.

I think the Prime Minister and his government could show real leadership if it started by abolishing the ludicrous pension plan our MP's enjoy and deal with the reality the rest of the country faces. I suggest that each and everyone visit the website of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and join their movement to rescind MP's pensions. Perhaps were MPs on exactly the same footing as the rest of Canadians, their viewpoints might change rather quickly. What I don't pay today in to CPP at least goes in to savings for the day I do have to get out of the harness and that might be leg up on what I have paid in to and do not take.

Gary in Yorkton
said

Is this guy trying to get voted off the Island? Come on Prime Minister Harper, most of us don't want to work past 55, yet to get CPP and OAS to supplement RRSPs and other savings you are planning on making us wait an additional 2 years for the money WE earned and put OUR funds into. Give us a break!

What were you thinking!!!!!!
said

I'm turning sixty this year and now you want me to wait two extra years to get a pension!? Give you head a shake, Harper! If you would just lower the outrageous pensions received by Crown Corporation and Government Hierarchy, you would not need to attack the pensions of the people who worked all their lives to make this country a good place to live and raise families. Are you aware that many seniors in this country already need to use the food bank each week to survive. Next time you are enjoying your steak and champagne dinner, think about that. We all know that you don't have enough money in the kitty to cover Canada Pension for baby boomers. But don't forget there wouldn't be a Canada Pension at all without the contributions PAID by the baby boomers. You need to get the money some other way.You doing this will lose the vote of all those baby boomers, Harper. Did you think about that?????

Jimbo
said

Simple, do that Harper....... I vote Liberal!!!!!!!!

Please no more BS
said

I can't work anymore.I have 12 stents,a pacemaker,congestive heart failure at 58 I lost my job I held for the last 22 years.I NEED OAS at 65 not 67.What did you do with my taxes for 43 years?Put it into your pocket and all the other crooks in Ottawa?Make those MP nitwits actually work for their money and put them on the same pension I have coming.$389 CPP,because I have to take my CPP (which was cut by you last year) at 60 because I have NO income.I made $168 last year.AND CAN NOT WORK.Politicians =SCUM

Glenn C
said

O.K. Only if an M.P. has to do twenty full years of service, either in power or in opposition! GET SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Linda Solomon
said

I was shocked to hear the posible change of age from 65 to 67 to begin receiving OAS. I'm anxious to being able to apply for OAS in a couple of years & get off ODSP as it should give me a higher income each month. Presently I'm just going month to month on my low ODSP benefits & I worry about something going wrong that I need extra funds for & I just don't have any extra $ & now do I have to fear the wait for another 2 yrs. Not a happy camper about this news.

Mike -- Winnipeg
said

Makes sense to me... if you want to retire early, set aside your own money. The Government can no longer afford to subsidize you to retire at 65. 65 was set as the retirement age a long time ago when, not coincidentally, life expectancy was about 70.

S in Vancouver
said

"Harper didn't mention specific reforms in the speech but said Canada needs to find savings in the Old Age Security benefit, as Canada's aging population is growing more expensive and the current model is unsustainable." *sigh* That sentence contains so much truth that it makes it a lot harder to argue against the increases. We've known when the baby boomers would start retiring and haven't prepared. Now it's coming and we're going to have problems nomatter what we do.

DND
said

Either clawback MPs pensions, or stop claw backing Canadian Forces Pensions, we actually work for and pay for our pensions!

Island Man
said

Hope all you Con Voters are waking up here

Robert B
said

Raising OAS to 67 will gaurantee that we will work a little longer and therefore have more $$,s in the bank , go for it Steven. Do all the lazies a favour and make them have more money when they retire!!!! Fellow Canadians, If you depend on OAS "500" dollars a month for your retirement, you sure as hell didn't plan for your retirement years, regardless of what the communist NDP are saying........

Left Coast
said

Raising the retirement age to 67 will someday be the new reality but I don't know how it can be implemented fairly ........... we have all these retired government employees double dipping ... they end up still working for their government employer under contract while collecting their government funded union pension and CPP Pension while taking a job away from some younger person who is willing to work harder for the same pay and actually deserves the job.

Bill
said

More class warfare on the poor.Our worse fears are about this neocon ideologue are being realized.All the working class stiffs who got persuaded to vote against their best interests made the worse political decision in their life.How they were persuaded a bunch of country club globalist were part of the Tim Horton crowd will go down in advertizing lore.

Ron, St. John's
said

Very unfair to mess with people's retirement plans when they may be close to retirement. I worked all my life and never took back from EI or CPP. I contributed to this plan, and my contributions should be there for me. I fell entitled, at this stage of my life. Very disappointed in the Harper government. I guess seniors are easy prey, hey?

peter in BC
said

We'll just call him Mr. Popularity at this rate. This just prolongs the inevitable. So what happens when the OAS recipients get closer to 67 to claim their pension? Will we push the age limit back again? A very short term solution that I hope most Canadians won't be bought by. The CPP does need to be overhauled and this isn't a step in the right direction as eventually those people will hit 67 and it'll cost even more then. Grow up Harper.

Darren L in Sudbury
said

Typical right-wing move; kick those least able take a kick. Bullies in suits. There are so many options that would allow for a stable support system for seniors that don't involve cutting off people who need it. The problem with a conservative government is that they will never consider fairness, only ways to screw over the weakest and poorest. To anyone who voted for these clowns and now finds themselves surprised that their expected OAS payments might not be coming...WAKE UP. Same thing goes to any civil servants who finds that nasty pink-slip coming (68,000 lay-offs may be on the way) I can only say Congratulations! I hope the gun-shot wound in your foot heals. I'd say Wake Up, but it's a few months too late for that.

Mark in Wpg
said

I love it! Way to bite the geriatric hand that feeds you Harper, keep up the good work!

No CPP at the present rate
said

It is not the state's job to subsidize our retirements. If you couldn't manage to save up enough before CPP kicks in, then two years won't make any difference anyways. Push it back it it makes it more affordable. Good Job (not) NDP for suggesting that increasing the contributions (for those who actually contribute to what everyone gets) and government increases (taxing us all) will make up the difference. Go Harper Go.

Zhimmy
said

Do you think that the 1% that keep funding the Conservatives will work until their 67. Well if you consider working living in luxury!

Rick in Hat
said

Our Prime Minister, weither you voted for him or not, is on the world stage. And, believe it or not, other countries are listening. It's about time, we as a great nation, become recognized as such. So, back your leader and be proud to be Canadian and a leader in the world today. And, personally, on the 67 thing, move it to 70 and stop whinning, You'll be doing your kids an awesome thing. Economics 101. �

Andrew in Vancouver
said

The "67" number is a trick. Harper knows how many voters are going to be offended by that number and he knows he can squeak it through. In a few years another 2 years will be added and so on. At the same time we have the attempted rise of the euthanasia movement. The way it works is for government to increase misery in the elderly and for the system to pressure them into "voluntarily" accepting to be killed. Wake up people! There is a devil dumb dumbs.

John C
said

What most of the people commenting...and apparently the NDP...don't understand is that the OAS and CPP are completely different programs. CPP is an insurance plan. It is fully funded and there is no need for government funds. Increasing CPP contributions, as the NDP suggests, will potentially increase pensions but it will also take money out of the pockets of working people. The OAS is paid for out of general government funds. If people have prepared for their retirement by saving and their income is over a pre-determined level, the government gives OAS and then taxes it back. Since seniors end up with nothing from this process, one has to wonder how much it costs to run this very cumbersome process.

Doug ^^^ BC
said

That's a fair comment Niagara George.But it begs the question "does Canada really want to be fully "in snc" with the EU"?? I mean realy,we are a bit similar to the USA, and a bit similar to Europe.I suggest that that may be where most of us want to be.Unfettered and unregulated capitalism like we see in the USA is failing them.And the nanny state that we see in Europe has already failed them.Perhaps that's a sign that success lies somewhere in between the two. Harper may be doing the wise thing by keeping his powder dry until this whole economic mess plays out. But for sure,if any of us are capable of thinking long term (like a generation ahead) a Canada less reliant on the USA is something I think our children will want,and need. The 99% vs the 1% is little more than rhetoric designed to start class warfare.Rather than hate or be jealous of the wealthy,both we,and our country will be better served if more people aspire to BE wealthy. WIth honesty and integrity, to be sure.But more wealthy citizens benefit all of us,and our country.IMO. Success is not something that we should discourage.

Mary-Ann
said

So why does he talk about our pension plan over there? Because he's a coward- afraid to face the heat over here. I've never read so many angry comments in all the time i've been reading them.

Marc - Toronto
said

Low income seniors. The babyboom generation will go down as the wealthiest generation in history. Who are you people making up theses stories of poor seniors. If they are poor it is because they lived well beyond their means. Stats don't lie todAYS SENIORS ARE THE WEALTHIEST IN HISTORY. It is about time they started putting back instead of just continuing to rack of debts.

Hilton Shand
said

The Conservatives pretend cutting corporate taxes and eliminating social spending is good for the economy. Since 1970 the average GDP growth while Conservatives have been in office has been 5% per year; whereas when the Liberals have been in office average GDP growth has been 9% per year (almost twice as much). Conservative trickledown economics in fact are bad for business; whereas, programs that stimulate consumer spending are good for business.

Hong Kong Freedom 67!
said

China is causing huge imbalance in the world with its singular dominance and hogging off manufacturing and manipulating its renminbi/yuan currency that gives it a cost advantage over other nations via labor costs, operating costs, no environmental regulations. CEOs/corporations act like they're do-gooders with their globalization scam but it is intended to make them filthy rich at all costs. China has basically whored itself out to these master capitalist pimps via their middle-man "Hong Kong" super wealthy billonaires procuring the relationship. Hong Kong saved its own ass in 1997 when it was repatriated to communist China after Britain's 99 year lease expired. Instead of Hong Kong falling to the communists - Hong Kong billionaires cooked up the globalization plan to put the mainland to work so they could further lather their wealth and exploit cheap labor. Hong Kong is the rat in the woodpile that has lead to the financial mess of the world today.

Guelph Observer
said

So the beloved supreme leader of the Conservative Reform Alliance Party (CRAP) needs more money to pay for legitimate gov't sponsored programs after he stupidly dropped the GST by 2% and after he went on a spending spree for G8/20, military toys, new prisons (while the crime rate is dropping), etc. etc. And then rather than facing Canadians as he lays out his future plans, he jet-sets to a foreign country to make his announcements - as if anyone over there cares. It's going to be a long 4 years until the next election.

IMF Christine LaGarde Disco in Davos!
said

I see the pigs are all proclaiming themselves to be Champagne Socialists/Limousine Liberals saving the world while they adorned in furs like Evita Peron chow down on cavier, champagne parading down a red carpet to schmooze with Euro-Fashonista a la Twiggy ,shimmering silver bobbed hair flopping over 1-eye coyly "Christine la-la-la Lagarde" (drumroll) discoing to the Euro-Hustle while the real people of the world watch grocery prices skyrocket and senior citizens dig a fork into a can of cheap Ravioli to make by. What has this world come to and why are we letting them do this to all of us? Social justice or widespread fleecing? Davos my ass!

Derek
said

Surely someone has noticed that the "comments" of every single media outlet on the face of the planet has become like a talk show of the internet. Everyone has opinions; the opinions are expressedl no one cares. no one therefore does anythikng other than comment.

I was a broadcast journalist for 25 years and a civil servant and a soldier and a real estate agent..and have retired, for now.

I cannot see the use of your "comments". It is as polls, exacerbating the boil! It is not assisting in draining the pus.

I used to teach journalism at Algonquin in the 70s. I am ashamed to admit I was a "free information-democracy" type.

Mostly you anons are idiots.

Steve in Calgary
said

If you all think this is just Mr. Harper and the conservatives trying to steal from the poor, think again. The system can't keep going the way it is, and we are for sure not the only country thinking about doing this. Remember France a year ago or so? Well, they reacted stronger than we will, but the government had to take a stand so that there would even be an AOS when this current generation needs it. We are no different, people are not having kids like they used to, and thus to sustain we must make changes. Good on ya Mr. Harper, but tread carefully!

simone
said

OAS......If the gov't wants to cut costs I strongly suggest they look at the ludicrous MP's pensions. and start there. It's greed personified at the tax payers cost.I've worked my entire life and put into CPP and OAS during that time. I expect the new age issue to be addressed AFTER the MP/;'s pension debaucle is remedied.Harper is a complete moron, It is "better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt"-Abraham Lincoln.

Senior Ed
said

The problem we are facing is this - When old age pensions were started, the pension age was 70, people didn't live as long and there were 17 workers for every pensioner. Since then, the pension age has dropped to 65, prople live longer and there are around 3 workers for each pensioner. By 2030 there will be under 2 workers per pensioner. I can collect pension starting this year. However, I don't see how we can possibly expect one worker to support his family, pay taxes toward social programs and senior's health care, plus pay half of the pension of each pensioner. Our younger people will end up revolting. I'm glad our Prime Minister is looking ahead and trying to address this problem before it gets critical.

mel burrt from calgary
said

Maybe Mr Harper better look at it a little close as those of over 60 and not 65 yet have planned to retire at 65 and not 67 I think I smell a class action suit against the government on this issue anyone over 60 is basically out of luck if he passes that type of legislation interesting to hear peoples comments considering most companies today want their older staff out of the workforce at 65 that leaves two years of limbo how do they plan to address that issue

Sober
said

Working two more years seems a sensible and wise decision. I am close to that age and plan to work even past that age. We cannot go sit down and live on our children's future.

saab
said

Folks you have voted for Prime Minister Who has no respect for Canadians. The old age benefit is Canadians and for Canadians and their intent to change should first be discussed with Canadians, or with elected MP in House of Common.

RWR
said

I think it would be more acceptable to the average Canadian if Steve would fiddle with MP overpaid pensions before he fiddled with parts of OAP.

Ken From Alberta
said

The biggest Canadian tragedy in the past 100 years: Electing a Harper majority government.

Kathy
said

Mr. Harper.....way to go there....continue to hit low income seniors by raising the OAS to 67...how about clawing back your pensions and getting rid of the useless senate instead. You have just quaranteed me not voting for the Conservative Party anytime soon!!

It don't matter
said

So how about if they raise MP's pensions qualifications till they have served nine years instead of only six years.

jay
said

sure - raise the oas to 67 which will hurt all low income seniors. why not take away the lucrative pensions mp's earn that once they start drawing on them - get indexed at 10% - which means that in 10 years of drawing their pensions - their pension has doubled - and at 10% per year - it far outpaces our recent real inflation rates. Yet my pension declines in value every year, even with a small indexation.

A Koster
said

I just wonder about the reaction of the EU to accepting shipments of genetically modified wheat and barley.. something that will be up for trade now that the wheat board is gone.. after all, they refused to allow Monsanto into the UK and have previously told Canada they would shop elsewhere if Canada decided to go that route.

robert allen
said

It may have to rise above age 67. In Europe a lot of countries have already raised it to 67.You need to keep the system financially viable for future generations. This was long overdue.

Robert, Ottawa

LH
said

Actually George, the US pays trickets for our oil, we would get a lot more per barrel from China on the world market. Canadian workers are sadly too expensive because of Canadians need for cheaper goods. We have immigration from Asia in droves because they are skilled workers, which Canada needs. There are jobs in Alberta, good paying jobs, but Canadians don't want to move here so we must hire immigrants. Canadians don't want low paying jobs either, so we have to hire immigrants. When will Canadians realize we do it to ourselves? Demanding constant increases in minimum wage leads to, you guessed it, higher prices, which Canadians complain about. So jobs get shipped overseas where workers demand much less money. With all the baby boomers retiring, there will be an even bigger labour shortage, leading to more immigration. Its a cycle that won't stop anytime soon.

don
said

Does that apply to MP and Senator's pensions as well?

Roger
said

We Canadians are so stupid. We allow billions of dollars to be spent on bilingualism, when this money would be better spent on health care and OAS. Which is more important?

bcken
said

So he cuts $6 billion of tax revenue from corporations, for absolutely no benefit for the greater good, then tells us, via a speach in Europe, he's going to push back our pensions two years. What a peach. I'm two months shy of my 61st birthday, been putting into this thing since I was a teen and now when I need it the most, these lovelies tell me to wait. Just another bight of the crap sandwich we'll all have to take with this bunch.

Ray
said

Let's keep cutting taxes but let keep on cutting benefits tha will suit every canadian. Let's keep cutting business taxes so that they can make record profit and keep cutting jobs. Harper you are the greatest. Thanks for support canadian

devils advocate
said

How about some savings in the form of reductions to the MP pensions boodoggle first! Wow, the nerve of these guys once again attacking the few dollars ordinary Canadians eventually get after a lifetime of hard work while still sheltering their gold-plated trough. Unreal.

H
said

What happened to all the tax $'s that have eebn collected over the last 30-50 Yrs.We are going to end up like Russia with poor old seniors on the stareets begging for money by the time Harper gets thru with us.THe mp's arn't hurt by this cutting, its the poor seniors that will be hurt by this knee jerk reaction.And of course catering to the big corp.'s who will end up with tax cuts in the name of trade.
Shameful !!!!!!

JAG
said

Wait a minute. The math around the reason for raising the retirement age doesn't make sense."OAS costs are expected to rise to $108 billion a year in 2030 from $36 billion in 2010. That's because the number of Canadians over 65 will rise to 9.3 million in 2030 from 4.7 million in 2010." So, from 2010-2030, the number of over-65s is expected to double but the OAS costs are expected to triple? Huh? Does not compute. No wonder these guys have a hard time balancing a budget.

All ears
said

@Canadian Bob: ditto!

Allen B
said

Finally a Canadian Prime Minister who is listened to on the international stage with respect. Mr Harper has answers and suggestions instead of being a grandstander. Canada's Liberal and lefty lemmings can only criticise without offering answers.

Captain Jakk
said

Classy, real classy Steve-o. Reform's revenge.

Feudal Slavery For
said

Under 55 year old civil servants and elite cradle to grave politicians will be slopping up the sun, waves under some towering palms on a tropical beach while you and me dream of "Freedom 85". Oh yes they'll be busy driving around in their hybrid SUVs with golf clubs in tow planning their month long winter vacations, noses in the air and pontificating to you the lowly taxpayer how you need to be more responsible for yourselves and save more. Meanwhile those civil servants and politicians will increase their lovely salaries, pension/medical,retirement plans so that your taxes pay more to keep them in the "schmoozy-cushy". Yeah life in "Canada" sure is a fair one..eh?? More like a feudal society no better than slavery lathering up the lifestyles of a guild class via taxation. It doesn't take a brain scientist to figure out who in Canada ends up screwed in the big picture.

robin hood
said

Wow your self proclaimed importance just grows each day 40 staff and 20 cars exceedingly thoughtful and very prudent of you considering the company you keep. God forbid they�d think you were a product of an inferior class. Kindly remember you�re a politician no amount of window dressing is going to help you. The title �King Stephen� that was bestowed on you is/was a derogatory remark sir.

Dixie from Alberta
said

PM Harper...you can't do that to someone close to retirement age and depending on OAP at 65..otherwise I am going to have to keep working till I'm 67 which isn't fair. I've paid taxes since I was 21 and you just can't change the end game now that I'm close to it. There's got to be another way. Perhaps an exemption for those close to that age?

Alicia
said

With the likes of Bob, Eddytoronto, and bumcrack spewing their nonsense, it's amazing that there is any discussion at all.

Paul
said

Well, that'll certainly help in providing TRIPLE pensions for our hard working MPs.Fortunately, I likely will not have to work til i'm 67 cuz Lord Harper's gonna axe my PS job this spring. Thanks, CONS!!Enjoy your majority while it lasts !I'd vote for a freakin' duck in the next election !

D. Vancouver
said

Ml Harper should try being a 55 year old person, struggling to continue working with osteoporosis and neurological pain. It's ridiculous to ask aging people to continue to work past 65 when many of us are already struggling to work until 65.

mon_moe
said

Great! As if finding a job isn't hard enough now, we'll soon have two years' more worth of workers to compete with. Excellent move there Prime Minister Bonehead.

Denise in Alberta
said

Maybe Harper and his MP's should consider raising their own retirement pension age to 67 and then make the amount they receive something that us within reason rather than taking it out on seniors who perhaps would like to retire at 65.

Alberta Troy
said

Don't worry folks, it is just us 99% who will need to work another 2 years, Harper will be getting his golden egg 6 figure a year MP pension the day he retires... I know you folks were very worried...

Joanie
said

right wing governments= good times for corporations / bad times for individuals

Mr John.
said

Nice for those who have planned on 65....REALLY nice!!!!
To all John Doe public who voted for him and his gang.....You will pay for giving the majority and dumping on the Liberals for the faults of a few.

Fred in Orillia
said

I assume the MP and senator retirement plans will also be pushing back to 70, right?

Joan in Real World
said

Beautiful... Now older individuals that have worked all their lives will be paying for the corporate tax cuts, the big jets, the gazebos, the new senators and the new MPs, etc. --- I bet you those big corporation CEOs who received generous 27% raises last year won't be pushing back their retirement 5 years.

Diane
said

Harper acknowledges the Canada Pension plan is sound and fully funded, and doesn't need to be changed. And that's in spite of the financial crisis.

And yet, instead of simply expanding it, increasing both contributions and benefits as many have recommended, Harper wants to introduce a new pension scheme more to his ideological liking.

Harper and his group don't like CPP because it's a public plan and requires everybody to contribute.

They prefer that people have "choice". I think most people would likely prefer the "choice" of a secure plan like CPP to one that probably would not have gone through the financial crisis as well as it did, and would likely cost more.

Jale
said

The seniors are one thing but add those nearing 65 and its a bigger danger. One should never pi$$ off a senior. They have the time and experience to seek revenge.

Steve in Manotick
said

to all of you idiots who voted this freak into power well you get what you deserve a dictator who could care less this about this once great country

TheOtherLowellInBC
said

@Prof Pye. I agree with you this time on some of your points to help Canada achieve a more competitive edge. There is not near enough focus put on R&D. That smacks of a lack of vision. Entrepreneurs, creating new products and ultimately new markets create and generate wealth. No question about that. There are so many examples of this. Often though they flourish in canada for only a short time and either then get gobbled up by a multinational company or fall on hard times due to bad management. The government needs to provide resources and support (financial and non financial) to enable these folks and create new economic drivers.

mike beard
said

Blah, blah, blah......yawn.

Newman
said

Chastising other nations for their debt. Bit of a hypocrite aren't we Steve. Funding gold plated pensions for 30 something polticians sounds like a bit of reckless spending doesn't it. That's why politics and nausea go hand in hand.

Canadian Bob
said

@Prof. Pye Chat: You need to relax a tad there fella. Your constant use of childish name calling at others likely serves more to feed your less-than-mature reputation on here than it does to actually educate others. You may have some knowledge of some of the issues, but your attitude of "me, me, me" and "I'm always right (winged) and all others are left (winged) behind" is not just getting tiresome, it reflects on how desperate this forum must be for contributions to keep posting your rhetorical hissy fits. Like I said, calm down, and act like a professor. It might do you and the others some good don't you think? Thanks.

Newman
said

Bumcrack USA
said

Nice to know Proff Pie Chart that you have not lost your contempt for anyone that doesn't share your views on things.

BlueNoser
said

How much "FREEDOM" is there in Free Trade?

stephen
said

I would not trust Harper as far as I could throw him. This guy is an economist and he should have known reducing the GST when times were good goes against all common sense and economics 101. If he had not worried about being elected we would be in a far better state than we are now.If he wants Canada to succeed would should be pumping money into R&D and stop relying on oil and the oil sands and for God sakes stop selling Canada out to foreign countries and companies.

H
said

I guess they hoping for more people to die who are between 65 -67 now and in the future, so they never get to collect OAS. How shameful for him and this whole group of MP's who make how much in salaries, benefits, hopitality and travel expences and gold plated pensions and don't have to rely on that little bit of OAS..And its always amazing how there is always a mtg. or conference in some nice warm weather place in the middle of winter that these guys need to go to.How many low income seniors will get hurt by a two yr. delay in collecting OAS, when they are barely making ends meet already and are looking forward to that little bit of extra income to give them a small cushion.

Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Our global economy is becoming increasingly international in its structural dynamic. Competitive trade is an irreversible reality that is intensifying. There's no going back, folks. The future has been marked. It's time for the protectionist crybabies (the fearful and the fear-mongering) to get onboard, and quit fighting and arguing that economic gravity doesn't exist on their little political moon. Canada must advance, or, it will slide backward into the abyss. Compete or die. Grabbing our ball, leaving the game, and going home, isn't an option.

Let's be Clear
said

"Our demographics also constitute a threat to the social programs and services that Canadians cherish,"

Complete and utter BS.

Conservate ideology constitutes the only threat to the social programs and services that Canadians cherish.

Good luck getting re-elected once you try to screw old people out of their money. WTF is happening to our country...

Dantheman
said

Hmmm... I guess eliminating a large portion of my generation (GenX) via 'the right to choose' has left us without the human resources to support the boomers... by the way funny the families that would have adopted these kids who never had 'a choice' or a chance would have all had adoptive parents if they wanted to make adoption easy, and encouraged. More consequences from selfish generational 'choices'.

dante
said

A lot of long term thinking is needed more that knee jerk reactions and since the world economies are being ransomed the placebo is the promises that will never be kept. People around the world don't want to hear leaders deliver popularity election campaign speechs about we gotta, we gotta... People around the world want to hear what the truths are in conversations going on in Davos. .......What problems are they actually addressing?

Dave in Edm
said

I don't understand why our Prime Minister needs to go to Switzerland to tell the world about our up coming budget and cuts to our social network when he won't tell Canadians in Canada!!! Harper has lost most peoples respect in Canada, the hard core believers would follow him off a cliff, but those of us who voted for him holding our noses are moving on so it really doesn't matter what he does, in 2014 we will be undoing everything and getting back to being a nation that thinkks about it's citizens first and foremost... Just like we did after booting Mulroney from office in the early 90's...

Eastern Alienation
said

Really Stevie, really? And with a straight face too!

Wildwoman 39
said

The problem is not just the jobs, but also youth unemployment, inequality, and the impact of bad trade deals.

Prof. Pye Chartt
said

The Chretien and Martin Liberal governments officially viewed free-trade as a net benefit to Canada. (Sorry to "out" some of the usual anti-Conservative hypocrites.) However, their record of delivering on their economic position was exceedingly poor. Since taking office in 2006, Harper & Company have concluded several new free-trade agreements, and held substantive negotiations with dozens of countries, roughly half of which reside in the EU. Any outcry from the Liberals and their (un)informed supporters? Nope. In 2008, a joint Canada-EU study (in-depth and exhaustive) concluded that free-trade between the two could boost Canadian economic output by at least $12B annually and bring gains for the country's industries, from aerospace to wood products. My apologies for always annoying certain partisan folk with the truth and facts.

Niagara George
said

Harper can get all the free trade agreements he wants. If the Libs were in power, they would probably be doing the same thing. The big problem with King Steve right now is that he is out of sync with the European nations. They certainly do have fiscal issues and will need to work on them for many years. But at the same time, according to communiques, they recognize that the ever-spreading financial gap between the 99% and the 1% is a growing problem. Harper would not dare say anything that remotely hints at agreement with the Occupiers. Get on the right page Steve!

Cest Laguerre
said

All well and good, cut the public service, change the retirement age to 67, off load healthcare expenses to provinces just make sure we have the money for those new fighter jets Steve.

adam
said

The government wants to cut old age security by increasing the eligibility from 65 to 67 years. People are saying how can you criticize that. ROLF. These people have been paying CPP for years and now you change the rules on them. Thats not right.

Harper said the country's demographics - an aging populating and a dwindling workforce.

Dwindling workforce. Last time I checked there were a lot of people looking for work. Its not the workforce that's dwindling. Its lack of work.

You use to see kids working at fast food restaurants for extra money or to pay for school. these days these jobs are being filled by middle aged people desperate for work. The future generation is not getting any job training. all the companies are downsizing because the government listens to corporations that demand relaxed trade rules and then when that happens they import cheap products from countries where they get away paying workers 1/10th the salaries or to countries that artificially de-evaulate their currency.

Whats next. Harper will bring in private health care which will charge 10 times for the same procedures further inflating health care costs, taking money away from the middle class making the economic situation worse for the whole while making the few extremely rich.

Globalization at its present form is engineered to degenerate society into a ruling and slave class. the middle class already feels like slaves.

joe blow
said

To those that think privatization will fix the problems.
There have been a list of crown corperations that have been privatized already.
The result has been deteriorating service, increase government costs (since the government is still liable for it).
Any profit made does not go back to the government and the tax payers.
The rates for useing the new privatized organizations has increased substantially.
Privatization is a HORRIBLE solution.
Do your research, look deep. Bring up the legislation and talk to the people that deal with it on a day to day basis.

Lorne- MTL
said

this is about water people. Althought he makes no mention of it, Harper plans to include water in this trade deal. tuning water into a commodity and giving up our control over our water supply and infrastructures. Water is not a commodity and should never be treated as such. Harper will sell us down the river, one resource at a time.

Joe M
said

@Prof. Pye Chartt Not sure if you�re using too much of that medical marjunia, but you spew falsehoods about NAFTA. Please educate the rest of us about how a similar agreement with Europe would work? Fact, production of Canadian goods are higher than any of the EU countries. Fact, these countries would dump their goods onto the Canadian Market at reduced prices, since the taxes are applied to goods here, Canada will impose tariffs to off set the price, then those trading partners will not come back. Fact, EU countries will not purchase goods from Canada because they have tons of their own, the only products we can sell is Wheat and Oil, they will dump more Ikea, Cellphones, etc. So, there really is no advantage in trading with the EU, it just sounds good, that�s all the HARPER Govt is looking for, another marketing campaign and photo op for their books.

superluminal2
said

As I read Mr. Harper's comments we can all say hello to reduced OAP and as for those pesky environmental approvals for the BC pipeline project ... they'll be swept away. Steve WILL have what Steve wants and you and I are just speed bumps. This is what passes for democracy in 2012. The real problem is ... who the hell else is there to vote for if you don't like Harper? That's the real secret of his majority.

xcon
said

@ Doug: I do not think Harper has identified anything at all about Canadian economy. Running a country by adding to its deficite and increasing its spendings (wars and military toys) has no positive outcome.

Prof Bar Graph
said

@Danny Dinosaur: But "science" and "education" are all a Liberal socialist plot! You socialists use your "science" to abuse the poor, hard working oil companies who can barely scrape by with their multi billion dollar profits. "Education" is good for nothing but teaching children to be godless heathens! If I didn't learn it in Sunday school it scares me and I don't like to think about it. We need less science and less education to ensure that PM Harper has the voting base he needs to keep this country on the right track.

sumpin up
said

Wow Harper has just doomed Canada in the next election. It is no secret young people vote NDP or Liberal. Only cranky old bats and senior citizens still vote Conservative. This world wide launch of a cost savings attack on the very little old age benefit most retirees get will do no more then decrease the Cons voter/support base. Ohh well back to the days where we have to hear all about the evil "coalition" and how they are all hungry for power. Sounds like we will be having another billion dollar waste on multiple elections! The only way he can make up for this is if he sets fixed election dates. Work with what you got like the rest of the world and restore individual MP's voices.

Joan in Real World
said

Doug in BC wrote... We need to make better use of opposition parties,rather than have them there simply to OPPOSE". We should have them putting their policies on the table so all policy changes can be debated.____ Do you remember, Doug, what happened when Liberal Irving Cotler proposed changes to the Reform Crime bill? they were all rejected by the Tories... until the Reformers turned around and tabled virtually the same changes the following week, under there own banner?_____ I think, first and foremost, we need to have a competent, responsible governing party that stops playing partisan games with our Parliament.

Scott
said

Talk about concern for future generations is not compatible with a philosophy of "growth".Our country, planet, and civilization is doomed unless we abandon economic and immigration policies based on "growth". That fact has long been in. Emphasizing sustainable practices, a "radical" increase in environmental protection, and population limits are the only things that will save us. There's no left or right about it.

The Central Scxrutinizer
said

First they destroy the safety of out streets with Bill C-10. Then they destroy our health care system. Now they are after our pensions. Isn't it nice to know that the government we supported throughoput our working years is now reneging on the benefit portion of all those pension dollars taken from our pay. How many more broken promises are we going to stand for?!! They take, but when giving time arrives, they backstep rapidly. Recall the Harper Gang before it's too late. Or it may be your blood they're after next.

Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Canadian Bob: I gather that the professional viewpoint of most leading economists is immaterial to your political perspective. (Nobody is arguing that free-trade benefits, and has benefitted, every industry, every company, and every worker across the board. In overall terms -- hence the word "net" -- however, in fact, it has. A great many companies in Canada, of all sizes, have flourished due to free-trade, and have hired based upon the expanded market and resulting increased sales. Free-trade has been good for Canada, and pursuing it in Europe makes sense.) You're certainly entitled to your fiery "opinion," Bob, but it's not a fully informed one. Thanks.

Donaldbain
said

You can start with a reform of MP's gold plated pensions, then a means test for CPP. I know I wouldn't qualify for CPP under a means test despite a lifetime of contributions and I won't mind if some one who actually needs it can have enough to get by.

Doug ^^^ BC
said

Harper has correctly identified areas of our economy and our government that need some serious reform.How all this plays out will rely in great part,to how willing the opposition is to negotiate anything. IMO,"Intelligent Liberal" makes a good point today? Our politcal system is so adversarial,and we have so many provinces at the same bargaining table,that a concensus on anything is a challenge.We need to make better use of opposition parties,rather than hve them there simply to OPPOSE". We should have them putting their policies on the table so all policy changes can be debated. It is unfortunate that we have such a non democratic Senate. A proper and functional Senate would be an ideal place to reconcile differences between the government,the provinces,and the opposition side of the house.I think Canadians would be better served if all MP's had a resporsibility to Canada first,and their political parties later. I do have concerns about how Harper will get us from where we are,to where we need to be.But doing nothing is not an option.Let's just hope all the players in these reforms will place Canada first,their own jurisdictions second, and their own narrow minded political perspectives at the bottom of the list. But know this.We need these changes if we are to compete in global market places,have some credibility on the world stage,defend our country, and build something we will be proud to hand over to the next generation. As of now,we seem content to spend our entire GDP on "free" programs for ourselves.That is the real GREED that infects this nation.To much about "me",and no plans to build anything for our children.

Hilton Shand
said

Keynote address? The meeting opened yesterday and addresses made. Since when is the Keynote address not first on the agenda?

Johnston
said

Canada has weathered the recession ? The wealthy folks along with unionized workers have because they have not been affected one bit. They continue to get wage and benefit increases in this so called tough economic time we are in. Mr Harper obviously does not pay attention to Ontario and the mess our province is in. Ontario will need a bail out shortly as Mr McGuinty is totally out of control and out of touch. They have taxed the stuffing out of the middle class to support the out of control spending and greed and that cannot continue.

Steve T
said

Funny to see the anti-free trade rants on these postings. Here's a wake-up call, folks - this is the way the world is moving.Protectism, tariffs, and similar measures are outdated notions of 50 years ago. All they do is insulate domestic industry from the realities of global economics, which means domestic industry is not as efficient or productive as it could be. In turn, we all pay more for domestic goods than we need to. Similarly, for goods we do not (or cannot) produce domestically, we pay through the nose because of retaliatory tariffs from other countries. Is this what the "anti" group thinks is best??

Danny Dinosaur
said

Prof Pye Chart, I really like your comment about how Canada needs to step up in the areas such as engineering, technology, specialized professional services etc. we absolutely need to improve our skills in these areas. Now can you tell me what this government (that you blindly follow) has done to improve Canada's position in any of these areas. they blew everything on "shovel ready" projects. Remember? Anything in this country that would actually utilize or generate factual information is being dismantled or strongly discouraged at best. On another note, aligning yourself with Great Britain at an EU meeting might not be smart strategy. Remember GB is the one who refused to help out the EU last time they met. Although I am sure their PM also has some free time on his meeting card.

Bumcrack USA
said

Harper has no business sermoning other nations about jobs when his track record here is so poor. --- Just in the last two days, the CIBC came out with a report stating that the quality of jobs in Canada was at its worst ever in 2011 for a non-recessionary period, and the Canadian Labour Congress published a study showing that the Harper corporate the tax cuts (the ones that have created our worst ever deficit) have actually not translated into new jobs, but into more income for big management and more returns for stakeholders.

Fred in Orilia
said

I'll tell you what Europe may want and the Harper seems quite happy to start selling them... Our water. And once water is turned into a commodity and regulated via free trade, there is no turning back and you and I will be paying for our water. Water is at the heart of this. Right now, plans to turn water into a commodity in this country are all done in back rooms, unknown to all of us. We need to understand what is going on before it is too late.

Pip
said

Stewie "Paul Martin didn't steal any money he used the surplus money in EI funds" As with any insurance, surpluses should be invested so that when heavy demand is made, there is enough to pay out. By taking that money, it meant that when lots of EI money was needed in 2008 -09, it wasn't there. Those "stolen" billions would have earned 5% or more for 10 years, almost doubling in value. What he did was the same as a corporation selling off assets just to increase the per-share dividend - totally stupid.

aj from montreal
said

"He also chided wealthy nations on their lack of job creation."

Funny that's in the header of this news. Harper can "chide" over wealthy nations regarding to the lack of job creation be isn't it funny that his country called Canada is having problems on maintaining job growth and decreasing unemployment rates. Latest statistics show there are more job losses on the month of Dec'11 that gains. Maybe that should make our PM's pee-brain up!

Hayden71
said

Free trade with Europe???

Are they kidding?

Free trade with the U.S. resulted in numerous jobs lost...what will happen once we join the sinking ship of the E.U.?

What happens to us once they go bankrupt?

glenn
said

will harper reform the mp's pension. probably not since he is adding 30 more mps in parliment.
You ahve to start in the PM's office, senate and parliment.
dont' take a golden hanshake is screw the rest of canda

Jim in Ontario
said

Go Steve!Show those European weenies how it's done.

George V.
said

Good for Harper to expand our markets, new consumers for our products and new products for us to import. This plan will create competition, jobs, prosperity. Instead of doing 80% of our trade south of our border where the economy has gone slightly stagnant we can look east to Europe for our mutual benefit. The benefits, and the spin-offs, are enormous.

Intelligent Liberal
said

While Harper is bound to obtain wide agreement on scrapping the worthless NEB, I expect it will be tough political sledding as he attempts to decrease the liability to Canada for public service pensions. These are very tough decisions, but overall will benefit Canada immensely in the long term.

Jim in Ottawa
said

A free trade deal with the EU sounds like a good idea in theory at least. But I hope the EU realizes that such a deal means that they have to start openly and honestly reducing trade barriers on their side, getting rid of protectionism on their side, removing tarriffs on their side. Canada has demonstrated a willingness to make these consessions in our deals with NAFTA, Chile, Costa Rica, and Honduras: we should expect nothing less from the EU. The lingering question that remains in my mind however is: does the EU have anything we want? When was the last time you saw the phrase "Made in Greece" or "Made in Belgium" appear on anything you have ever bought?

Just Saying - Ottawa
said

To "something stinks" how about calling into the Ontario Liberal Government and see what is going on you will soon see that he has this Province in a $16 Billion Dollar Deficit and is sending $5 Million to Winnipeg for a museum of Ontario Taxpayers dollars..and has famously made us a "have not province"...hmmmm!!!

Kootenay Opinion
said

There should be a mandatory IQ test required to post a comment to this site. Anybody answering yes to "Do you support CBC subsidies" should be disqualified. It is nauseating to read some of this stuff.

Canadian Bob
said

Yah. Net economic benefit. Right. Explain that one to our Beef Farmers. Explain that to our Softwood Lumber exporters. Explain that to the literally thousand of persons who lost their jobs when their companies headed south to get cheap labour in poorer countries. Yes, Free Trade does create jobs - outside of our boarders! What a mouthful of right-winged malarky, and as usual, expressed with the childish name calling that has made it's author infamous on these forums. I wonder what he wants to be when he grows up?

Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

In principle, this might be desirable given our biggest trading partners seems to be reverting to a philosophy of protectionism and fails to remember the impact the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act had and that greatly extended the economic depression of the 1930s. There are many hurdles to overcome in terms of subsidized industries in Europe but if Europe is open to discussions, it would be to our advantage to pursue such a possibility. Many will disagree but I believe NAFTA has proven to be a net benefit to Canada and I rather fear that may well be in jeopardy given current thinking, if that is the correct word, in the United States. We are a trading nation and the more options we have open to trade, perhaps the better. Much work will need to be done but it is an idea definitely worth exploring.

Take that EU Free Trade Deal and SHOVE IT!!!
said

We don't need another Free Trade deal that screws us out of our jobs like the last one did.

When we signed the Free Trade deal with the USA, they bought, and gutted our businesses, sending our jobs to the USA, and eventually to some poor country, like China, India, or Costs Rica.

So in effect what we got for free was unemployment, and they got our money, and jobs.

How does that benefit us?? Say again?????

So as far as I see it, we got screwed-over for free, that's what we got!

Not happenin again, not as long as I can fight it. They can take this free trade deal with the EU, and shove it!!!

Susie-Q Mtl.
said

What's wrong with a free trade deal with the European Union? Doesn't any body want stuff from Britain cheaper? Maybe we can get better stuff. Let's get rid of all the junk we get from China. Hungary & Poland produce stuff also. I think this could work. Does this mean those butter cookies will be cheaper? I'm tired of lead recalls & cadium & that barium stuff. Let's kick China to the curb. Made in Great Britain does sound nice. Happy shopping people. $ Rama is calling.

Prof. Pye Chartt
said

The Bottom Line: Despite all the usual wayward and off-topic whining and phony complaining from the anti-Conservative peanut gallery, the Liberals, if in power, would, undoubtedly, be in the throws of pursuing a free-trade agreement with Europe right now, too. Overall, free-trade (ie. NAFTA) has been a net economic benefit to Canada. That's a fact, and those arguing the contrary are simply ignorant of the truth. The "sufferings" of certain stubbornly inefficient and non-advancing industries, including those with obstinate unionized employment, don't represent the entire commercial picture. Our PM is doing the right thing. Free-trade isn't perfect, but, it creates sound opportunity and, in turn, jobs. Europe is a terrific market. Canada can only raise its standard of living if it advances. The longer we engage in a foolish manufacturing race to the bottom against the likes of China, the further lost we'll become. We need to step up our game (technology, engineering, design, specialized professional services, etc.). Canadians need to get hip to the program. It's not 1979 anymore, folks. Protectionism is a proven failure.

Jim-Surrey
said

To Hell with Free Trade between other countries, how about free trade between provinces first?????

NO NO
said

The Scotland is calling for a referendum to separate from the UK. What would happen to these trade deals once they separated? David Cameroun and Harper are destroying our countries by making stupid 'deals' in all level of governance. They attacked Libya to steal Libyan oil and now they are attacking our jobs, integrity and our businesses.

Tim
said

Oops- Did you just say you want to have a free trade agreement with Canada. What does the EU want from Canada that they cant get on their own as bring a sophisticated civilized society.
The fur trade has gone for a dive because of the EU. Oh and what about oil. Do you need our oil too. But I thought it was to "dirty" for you. Are you having problems with Iran. Thats too bad. Stop playing big brother. You only want to be friends with Canada because you know you screwed up by bashing our economy. Too late- you played like a bully and now that you have no friends you want to play nice. Its time to teach the EU that they are not all mighty and powerful.

joseph
said

After our last experience with free trade I have reservations. Will this ultimately bring us in line with wages in the rest of the world because that would be a bad thing. Canada and Canadians have enjoyed a reputation in the world as being prosperous and having a high quality of life. Free trade deals for this side of the pond have eroded that reputation and I fear further free trade deals will threaten it even more as well as lessening our autonomy and giving the Europeans the misguided impression that they can interfere more in our socio-economic structure here in Canada.(save the seals, dirty oil,ect.) Just a thought.

DJ
said

One question:Who will co-sign for Europe?

Rob
said

I wonder how they are going to deal with all those heavy European farm subsidies....It will take a long long time to fight out those details. Good luck.

Obvious Statement
said

@ NickleNewsflash : You only can't compete with China if you don't try. If you roll over and let them win, they will. frankly any trade with China comes with huge hidden costs to our society as Vancouver well knows.Its time to stop popping the myths about China. It is not the cheap and cheerful panacea it was once touted as. Its a sweatshop and a hack shop that when they dont under cut out jobs with cheap labour made possible by quality of living and human rights we term slavery and abuse in canada, it is hacking our industries and government and stealing from us out right.Trade with China rewards and strengthens that. You want that to be your future. Forget it.Canada should be building its ties with Europe and fostering more cooperation, immigration and exploration in every form with Europe.China 's economy is a sheeps head being used to sell dog meat to coin a chinese phrase and it is a very precarious one right now. All its cities are over spending.... if they hit the rocks they will hit it very hard, and if you read the Economist, experts are expecting them to.Our roots, Europe, is our answer

Pete
said

@Sue What would you call the "Economic Action Plan'? I guess the Conservative's support of the oil sands has nothing to do with our economy? I love how the Left loves to tout that the positives in our economy are due to the past Liberal governments but when ever there is negative news its 'all Harper's fault'. The incessant hipocricy is laughable.

Franck Commonsens
said

Harper is in NO position to tell ANYONE about anything. Remember the Toronto war measures for a 1.5 billions photo ops? Remember the promises of a balanced budget that will end up to be in reality a huge deficit, the overwhelming job loss in Canada, the sell of all Canadian assets and resources to foreign country? Turning this country into a police state? Ruling a country as a despot while 67% voted against him?Nah! he is the SHAME of this once glorious nation and should do a clean up at home before trying to tells others how to do anything.

Nickel
said

Newsflash Manufacturing in Canada...and North America is dying...cant compete with China, and emerging markets like India, Vietnam etc for cheap labor. Unions don't help either, they prevent companies from being innovative and flexible in harsh times. Unions were great in 1900 today they are cumbersome and costly...Canada needs to be competitive in the global markets to survive. Penny...after reading your comments it sounds like you could use some luck...perhaps a lotto win...but I'm sure you would be back in the same spot in a few years

gary
said

It seems to me,when ever the world leaders and the billionaires
get together and eat $300.00 plates of food while they discuss
world hunger or talk about homeless at the worlds most expensive resorts,they may be a little disconnected.I also think the real behind the door talks are more about how they will convince people to spend at the same time make it look like they want them to save.And one more thing PLEASE tell me that if we make a deal with china CSA will watch over everything they make in canada.

Chris/Manitoba
said

I cannot see the sense of a Free Trade deal with all the country's in the Eurozone . Who is going to pay when some of them default on their trade deals , as is bound to happen, or is it going to be cash only. Merkel is obviously becoming more discouraged by the whole scenario as she refuses to commit more euros , or deutchmarks , to the bail out fund , I am sure she can see the writing on the wall already , and want's to keep Germany as secure as she can before the inevitable implosion of the whole Euro scheme , and as for a Free Trade agreement with the US , their economy is so poor it would be political suicide for any party that signed a deal to allow a further erosion of the US job market . Before signing any deals with the European Union they need to find their own way out of the mess they are in.

mahanna ali
said

that sounds like a good thing - we have much to offer...oil from northern alberta...seal products...the list goes on...

ken
said

Cameron is on drug......

Remarkable
said

Wow, here we go again. People are going after Harper because the PM of GB says that a Free Trade deal needs to be done with Canada, others are going after Harper because they don't like him on every level and again there are others who are screaming and yelling bloody murder at what the Liberals didn't do and how the NDP is becoming extint. Look people, like I said yesterday stop ripping down our own people who are working to better this country on the world stage. It wouldn't matter if it were a Conservative Government or a Liberal Government, each would be looking to do what is right and what is best for this country. I have yet to see a PM of this country who delibrately took off for the soul purpose of destroying the country. So, I say once again that we should work together to create a country that is so spectacular, where our policies and laws are the envy of the world. We have that right here, right now in this country, we can work with our different opinions, with our different motives, bring them together and make the best nation that has ever existed on the face of this earth.

Goldens
said

What about the seal ban? Does a free trade agreement mean that seal products would once again be allowed in Europe? That would be good!

Ernie Hushard
said

As they say "I fear the greeks bearing gifts"I would be very leary of getting too involved with the E.U. One only has to see what ir cost Britain and I feel that knowledge of that cost should be explored before we go too far down this road . Be extremely cautious we don't sacrifice more than we gain.

Mark
said

Sue said "The stability in Canada is all thanks to the past liberal government "That''s a good laugh considering that the Liberals falsely balanced the federal budget using surplus EI funds ($50 billion) that should have been returned to the employers and us employees. Instead Liberal Paul Martin turned EI into an ordinary tax. But you don't hear any Liberal apologists mention that fact.

Lorraine
said

I personnally agree with trades however, in this case and at this time (Europe's bad economy), I want to make sure that OUR P.M. won't get 'shafted' by the Europeans and Canada getting a rotten stick.

I'm having a hard time "trusting" ALL this N.W.O. mentality.

Penny
said

BTWDavos is an elitist club, far, far away from anything that can be considered democratic.Is the voter privy to what is really going on there, or just getting the spoon fed version via propaganda outlets such as the CTV, that regularly censors comments they don't approve of?

Anthony
said

Free deal with EU sounds good, would it mean my Bimmer would cost me less when trading in this one ? Cameron is so excited about being part of EU, the next time we hear from him UK would have switched to Euros. Just ask the Irish..

Penny
said

By the way, Britian is a sinking shipWay to go Canada!Anchors away

Penny
said

I am seriously wondering which PR firm was hired to spread the nonsense on msm comment sites.

EAP
said

Is it not clear to anyone that Harper keeps commending his conservative government for "weathering the storm" economically, when they really have done nothing but rely on Canada's natural resources and oil.
The manufacturing sector is shrinking, and economic data is skewed both here, in the US, and globally.

Yes, Canada enter the 2008 recession better positioned than other countries. This was the time to take advantage of others declines and stimulate our own economy through our stability.

Investment in R&D and innovation? Heavy investment in infrastructure??

Harper did nothing, but he conned the general public into thinking he did something and got a majority for it??

Maybe we should all move out west and work in the oilsands if you want a job??

Penny
said

The Canadian economy is a stagnating mess.No one government has done anything to "run" it properly for the people.Instead they have run the country into the ground for big business, multinationals and banks.How are those taxpayer bailouts working out for the banks? GM?How can even one taxpayer sit on this message board and say the economy is good.Have you noticed the unemployment rate?The growing disparity between rich and poor?The lack of jobs for university grads?What universe do some commentors live in?Are you so blinded by party loyalties you can't see were heading for the junk heap?The lowest common denominatorPeople have no assetsThey have debtWages have been stagnant for 30 yearsNo one can save for retirementThe move to privitization of everything has only increased the cost of everything.What a boondoggle for big business.Not small business. Big multinationalsBut for everyone else?Increasing poverty.

Joe Szentirmay
said

Canada is shining on the world stage now that Prime Minister Harper and a respectable Conservative government are in charge.Lower taxes are preferable,but the Mulroney/Wilson GST, which Chretien promised to cancel, is keeping our nanny state afloat.Paul Martin should stick to what he's good at,setting up off shore corporations to avoid paying Canadian income tax.Prime Minister Mulroney gave us NAFTA, which even Buzz Hargrove admits is a boon for Canada.A Conservative initiated trade agreement between Canada and the E.U. would definitely be positive for our economy, as long as we're not on the hook for Europe's financial mess.

George Murphy
said

A free trade deal with the European Union? You're kidding right?The Canadian government won't back Newfoundland and Labrador in getting seal products into the European Union, with the Euro ban on seal products, we should ask ourselves why the Canadian government won't support it's own when any trade difficulties arise.Me thinks the British PM wants to rethink this one, and take a look at the inequalities that already exist in present trade deals.

Bill
said

Even while the new world order crumbles around the globalist cling like a aging starlet to their flawed bankster model.It has gone way past pathetic how the elites and their shills in the corporate media continue to promote this open border policy that has brought many western nations to its knees.

Grant
said

Canada is perhaps the best country in the world when it comes to our regulatory environment and economic strategies. That is why we are weathering the current series of economic storms so well. I stand behind the Prime Minister of Canada 100%. I am sick and tired of the comments based upon partisan political standpoints that seek to undermine rather than celebrate our great country!

Stewie
said

Ottawa Jack would rather throw money away on interest than pay off the debt. Paul Martin didn't steal any money he used the surplus money in EI funds to pay off our national debt it was actually a smart move. Today it cost Canadian tax payers 84 million per day in interest on our national debt. paying this kind of interest everyday is stealing from the Canadian tax payer. Paul Martin using a surplus to pay off the debt was a smart move and nothing else. There was still billions in the EI fund to pay unemployed Canadians so either Jack like throwing away millions everyday on interest or he has a big school boy crush on Harper. It seems the neo=con reformers would rather spend spend spend and pay millions in interest everyday than pay off our debt to make a strong Canada.

Canadian Bob
said

I would say that given the free-trade history Canada has with hitching it's wagon to crippled horses, we'd learn that the losses we suffer from these deals far outweigh the gains. The EU and Britain are suffering, and the grass might look a whole lot greener here, but can we afford the job losses, the elimination of more of our manufacturing strongholds, and the rewarding of the larger corporations here who without question are the only ones who benefit from these deals? Of course a Conservative Government will hitch it's wagon to just about anything with fingers crossed hoping it "will work out". Perhaps given the economy, we should adjudicate this one with a little more diligence, remembering that it's the interests of Canadians that the government is in place to protect?

Will
said

I am in favour as long as it is clearly spelled out that this deal does not give the EU busy-bodies any say in how we conduct our internal affairs.

Joe M
said

Promoting Canada on the Global stage takes the right approach, but this is not about lecturing world leaders, which Harper is doing. Our economy is no different than other economics, our wealth to promote is natural resources of course, but not using it as a bargaining tool for Harper and Obama. The pipeline in Canada will be 600kms or so, the jobs from that pipeline would last 1 year, where in the US the jobs will last 5 years for the remaining 2500 kms of pipeline. Why should we sell the crude oil, let�s build and recommission refineries in Canada that provide long-term jobs for communities in Canada. Then sell the gas and ship it by trucks to the US, creating more jobs the transportation industry. Finally, STOP LECTURING other countries, allow them the opportunity to see how Canadian Businesses have managed their Enterprises effectively and how PROGRAMs in Canada support our economy, not the HARPER way of throwing money into CON ridings to ensure they�re elected the next time. Our Economic Action Plan has no Program Management behind it, no deliverables and no results to date. . .

Parker Brown
said

Free trade is good provided there are minimum wage provisions. Minimum wage should be set at 40% GDP per capita (which already the case in most European nations and Canada.) In many nations, including America, which Canada has free trade agreements with minimum wage is lower than this. Americas minimum wage is 30% GDP per capita (in a few states its higher). In Mexico minimum wage is less than 20% GDP per capita. Unless wages are adequate our rade partner does not form an adequate market for Canadas exports.

privatize everything
said

Harper is still a left-wing minded socialist. Even though the deteriorating NDP is even further left-wing. Thankfully its becoming an extinct party. We`re disappointed that he has not privatized agencies, crown corporations and government departments. Out taxpayers money will be saved and all of that money could lead into profits that could into increase of executives salaries so they can decide to distribute their earnings to some certain people who can spend their given allowanced money to get the economy back on its feet. Harper watch-out, there will be a right-wing libertarian party going be to formed.

Jakob
said

I am glad we have Harper in charge these days.He comes across as principled and intelligent compared to other leaders who seem to be just flip-flopping around until something works out.

George
said

Jay in MTL Those action plan signs actually cost Canadian tax payers 140 million and an American company was given the contract for the signs so I guess is all Harper can tell these folks is he helped an American company. He also hired an American company to advise his government so he hasn't done any thing here at home except create a massive debt. Harper is a loser and the world knows it. All of the thanks for our stable economy is thanks to the liberals and Paul Martin. If it wasn't for all the Asia people the conservatives allowed to immigrate we would be in worst shape than the US. The number of new immigrants to Canada has never been so high, they come with bags of cash buying up our homes and pushing prices out of reach for most Canadians. Our banks were bailed out to the tune of about 200 billion. Harper has nothing to offer anyone except more debt. Now he plans to trade our oil for trinkets from China, I guess he doesn't understand that the oil isn't going to spoil there's no reason to give away our natural resources but he's scrambling to pay for the billions he's wasted on nothing and I'm getting really sick of his lies.

aj from montreal
said

If PM Cameron calls for an EU-Canada free trade deal, why not make a North American-EU free trade deal?

What is it that makes this deal exclusive to a country like Canada? Is the economic situation in the States and Mexico that bad for them not to include?

Henry
said

Yep Harper Is Run By China that's where we buy everything and that's where the jobs went even when you call bell on the phone you are speaking to India even Bell wont hire a Canadian and now Harper gave the oil sands to China too, we have Chinese on out bank machines do you get the message? Start teaching your children Chinese...

Mark in Newmarket
said

This would be good for both sides, especially Europe. We have what they need and we are willing to sell it, also Europe has what Canada needs and we'll buy it. So it is a win, win for both sides of the pond.

Barry Wynn
said

Our PM doesn't look a shamed even though he has vagabond Indian Nation children playing politics at home.

Ottawa Jack
said

Guess ny previous comment woke-up some Harper-haters who cannot post anything but repetitive negative comments. The reality is that Paul Martin was not a great economists but rather skillful at deceiving people ( like some posters ). Martin 'stole' billions from the EI Fund and downloaded billions of HealthCare costs onto the provinces. That is how he 'balanced' his budgets.Have a good day

A Koster
said

I fail to see how a 'mortgages for cash' swap facility put in place in place in October 2008, extended and increased in September 2009, and again beyond... how is that any indication of canada's "stable economy"? "Latest reports have the total going from the initial $75 billion to $125 billion and is now at $184 billion. And they keep saying they are NOT bailing out the banks. Because these mortgages, derivitaves and CDOs are being dumped into CMHC, it is the taxpayer that will take the loss." .. Best banks in the world? .. oh please! .. but then, if you tell a lie, make it big, tell it often enough, eventually people will believe it.

Something stinks
said

My family and I moved to Hamilton last year. We finally purchased our first house. My wife has a good career, so I was tasked with child raising, to which I love. Can Mr. Harper explain to me, why after 7 months, myself and my daughter are still trying to find even minium wage part time work? We have both handed out near 100 resume's each to various part time jobs. She got one call back, I got 1. In 7 months... Never in my life have I experienced such a cold snap in finding part time work to help prop up my family beyond just paying the bills. I think we all need to give our heads a good shake. Something is not right, and the 'practiced speech's' do not seem to match what's happening on the street. At least in my neck of the woods. I placed a call to my MP last week to ask just that question. I still haven't heard back. I emailed, no response. What exactly are they being paid for? I know I'm not alone. On my street I know of 2 people laid off with no warning. 1 the week before christmas, an the other at the end of his shift on Friday. They are loosing everything. Is this the kind of society we want? Where was their protection as tax payers. To simply say.. 'gee sorry' Go find another job is not an option. There are none. So both them are now on EI making 60% for 12 weeks. Most of the services to one house have been cut. But Power and gas.

reidjr
said

Noa
It won't nearly be as bad as the states.

Jay in MTL
said

The economy that withstood a global financial collapse was thanks to the previous government. Harper-economics are barely sprouting leaves. It was Paul Martin, like it or not, that created the mechanics that saved Canada. Not that Harper would tell you. There's no reason anyone should listen to Stephen Harper on the economy, his only plan for a stable economy is one million cardboard 'action signs'. That's it!

Sue
said

The stability in Canada is all thanks to the past liberal government Harper has not introduced any economic policies since he's been PM and the world knows it so Harper doesn't have any credibility with any of the world leaders.

vwc
said

I don't think it's a good idea to take financial advice from the Canadian Autoworkers Union economist.

Ottawa Jack
said

This article is about promoting Canada on the world stage. This is a positive move by PM Harper & hopefully will result in additional economic growth for Canada. How can such actions be criticized?

Bob T
said

Canada's is strongly linked to the U.S. We have no control over what happens there but we can do more to make Canada more attractive by getting a grip on public spending at 3 levels of govt.

Noah Vale
said

He'd better hurry up before Canada's economy goes the way of the US.

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