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Liberal interim Leader Bob Rae leaves the microphone after holding a media availability at the Liberal Biennal Convention in Ottawa on Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Liberal party president hopeful Mike Crawley appears on CTV's Question Period Saturday, Jan. 8, 2012. Liberal party president hopeful Sheila Copps appears on CTV's Question Period Saturday, Jan. 8, 2012. Bob Rae Liberal interim Leader Bob Rae is seen at the Liberal Convention in Ottawa.

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Liberal interim Leader Bob Rae leaves the microphone after holding a media availability at the Liberal Biennal Convention in Ottawa on Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Liberal party president hopeful Mike Crawley appears on CTV's Question Period Saturday, Jan. 8, 2012. Liberal party president hopeful Sheila Copps appears on CTV's Question Period Saturday, Jan. 8, 2012. Bob Rae Liberal interim Leader Bob Rae is seen at the Liberal Convention in Ottawa.

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Liberal interim Leader Bob Rae leaves the microphone after holding a media availability at the Liberal Biennal Convention in Ottawa on Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Fri. Jan. 13 2012 5:59 AM ET

A third-place political party's convention is usually not greeted with much fanfare. But then again, it's more than a tad unusual for the federal Liberals to be the third-place party.

The Liberal Party Biennial convention begins today in earnest after weeks of hype, often including the words "make or break" from some of the 2,500-plus delegates expected to attend.

After the party's embarrassing defeat last May, many believe drastic and historic change is needed. Some of the major proposals for "sweeping" change include:

  • a new system for electing the leader
  • curtailing some of the powers of said leader
  • new, softer party registration rules

The Liberals' "A Roadmap to Renewal," which encompasses the policies they will discuss, has a long-term goal of engaging the party's grassroots to compete in an expected federal election in 2015.

But some of the more dramatic proposals have rankled a few Liberals.

Daniel Veniez, a Vancouver entrepreneur who ran and lost for the Liberals in the 2011 federal election and who is a frequent political commentator, feels the calls for significant change are just reactionary for a party that has grown used to being in power.

"I think we should take a Valium and not overreact and panic with respect to the need that some people in the party have for drastic and radical change," he said in a telephone interview.

Veniez particularly chafed at proposals to weaken the party leader's power and to open up the party to supporters who could vote for a leader in a U.S. style-primary system without being full, paying members of the party.

"If you want to participate at that level, you should be a member of the party," he said. "The leaders of the party and local candidates should be chosen by members of the party.

"It seems to be a response to the panic that we have to do something bold and innovative and new without it being thought through and seriously considered."

But judging by opinion pieces in newspapers and in the blogosphere, Veniez appears to be in the minority.

"Change" helped propel U.S. President Barack Obama into the White House. It's a term many of the candidates running for the Liberals' bureaucratic positions up for election this weekend have little issue throwing around with glee.

Braeden Caley, 24, is running for the national policy chair, and says the Liberals need to start becoming about "big ideas" -- which starts with figuring out bold policy.

"I'm certainly in the camp that says we need to bring about some big changes," he said. "But the public cares less about our internal structure than the ideas that we present.

"I don't think the party can afford to be in the mushy-middle anymore."

The Liberals, who many have criticized for contenting to define themselves as Canada's "natural ruling party," appear to be undergoing an existential crisis while in the opposition benches.

Mike Crawley, who along with Sheila Copps is considered to be a frontrunner for this weekend's party presidential race to replace Alfred Apps, has said Liberals don't know who they are anymore.

"We've stopped talking about what it was to be a Liberal. We've diluted Liberals down to buzzwords -- centralist, moderate -- all these things that mean absolutely nothing to voters," he told CTV's National Affair earlier this week.

Veniez agrees.

"I think the first order of business is for Liberals to define an agenda for the 21st century based on a clearly defined understanding on our common philosophies," he said.

"As a candidate . . . Liberals would come up to me and ask ‘What do we stand for?' and it used to drive me absolutely bananas. So I would ask them ‘Why the hell are you a member of a party and you don't know what it is we stand for?'"

Caley notes the obvious.

"When you have to ask yourself as a party ‘What do we stand for,' then I think you have a problem as a political movement," Caley said.

Liberals look to Tories for help

As I noted late last year, the Liberals have finally tired of complaining about the Conservatives' tactics and have moved on to borrowing them.

Seminars at the convention include "How to Win an Election: The Right Tools for the Permanent Campaign, "Leveraging Social Media to Engage Members and Communities" and "How to Win an Election: Fundraising and Membership."

There's also a proposal to establish a $2.5-million Liberal call centre to bring in much needed cash and new members. In a November 2011 discussion paper, Apps noted the Liberals trail drastically behind the Tories on collecting voter information.

To be fair to the party's socially-left leaning members, there are not all just tactical proposals. A pledge to "Legalize and Regulate Marijuana" is the fourth-most popular resolution in registered votes on the convention's website at last glance. There's also the idea being floated by the Young Liberals to cut ties with the monarchy -- Will and Kate's popularity be damned. As Lawrence Martin says, it may not be a bad idea, politically speaking.

Familiar faces abound

Former leader Michael Ignatieff, who quit immediately after losing the election and his seat last May, will take part in the opening ceremony Friday night, which should be a brisk turning of the page on his political career.

But in a twist to the usual celebration of past leaders, it will be Ignatieff thanking the Liberals, not the other way around. It's probably less awkward that way.

And finally, in what should be a heavily scrutinized speech, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty will be the convention's keynote speaker Friday night.

It's been no secret that McGuinty has been courted to run for the federal Liberal leadership, although he's been quick to publicly slam that door shut.

Still, his presence in such a high-profile position at the convention will do little to slow the rumour mill and end the courting ritual for good.

With the Liberals' leadership convention put off to 2013, and this convention mostly focusing on the backrooms, you can be assured that every single breadcrumb left by a potential leadership candidate with be closely followed.

The Liberal convention ends Sunday

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Hmmm - Ottawa
said

To Len who comments about the G20 and Clements riding at least we see where the money went and there is something to show for it even if more spent then there should have been...but the ADSCAM dollars there is absolutely nothing to show there lies the difference.


IslandGuy
said

How would the Liberals interest me? I would take more interest if they went back to the drawing board by redefining their core values, their vision and their purpose. This redefinition needs to be heart-felt, of high integrity and likely, externally facilitated. And, as part of that redefinition they identified leaders and representatives who are willing to be servants to these strategic things and servants to their various constituents.


LIBERALS ARE CORRUPT
said

I wish the Liberal party would fully implode once and for all.


ARG
said

Any leadership candidate should not only be a card carrying member, but they should also have run for and won a seat in the house for that party. When you see people jumping from one party to another and immediately running for the party leadership, it makes you question if there is any real differences between the parties.


bikerborz
said

Ever since Trudeau took over leadership of the LPC (yes, that far back) the Liberals have not had a stated policy of what they stood for. Trudeaumania swept him to power for a few elections (with the help of the bumbling Joe Clark and his short-lived minority gov't). Even Mulroney's Conservative gov't was no different. Chretien took power over a voter backlash against Mulroney (now THERE was a drubbing!), but the Con/Lib party platforms were virtually identical -- there wasn't one. (Unless you call "We'll do what we want because we can" a platform.) Until Manning, and then Harper. The Reform party came up with a list of what they stood FOR, and even after the Reform merged with the waning Conservatives, the platform remained. Finally, there was a party besides the fringe NDP that actually said "Here's what we believe and what we stand for." Until the LPC reorganizes itself and faces that being non-committing opportunists will never get them re-elected,


hollinm
said

Can you imagine the federal Liberals having the choice of electing an ex failed NDP Ontario Premier and an ex failed Liberal Ontario Premier as leader. The irony is delicious.


grandna
said

So we're supposed to get excited about a party with socialist ex NDP bob Rae leading them? No wonder there's no real opposition these days.


Pat
said

This convention does not seem to be getting much press, especially at the CBC...I thought they, at least, would be all over it. When the CBC doesn't give the Libs much coverage, the Libs have to know they are doomed...they are a joke.. even their pals at the CBC won't support them.


M
said

I wonder if the Liberals were to groom Justin Trudeau for the leadership of their party if they could make a come back???


Len
said

To Bryan in Ontario - yes, adscam did happen. Some people paid with jail terms and the party did suffer with a defeat by Harper. BUT - why are you not demanding that Harper and Conservatives pay back the money they took from the taxpayers to pay for Clement's follies, and even the whole G20 affair which all agree was over the top. Also, to a Concerned Canadian, yes the Liberals were arrogant in their day but were they more so than Harper and company? I doubt it with what Harper got, and gets, away with due to lack of opposition. The both sides are guilty.


Don
said

The Libs are exactly where they deserve to be, but even as a happy conservative I’ll amit that a healthy country needs a strong government in waiting to keep the party in power in check. I really think the best thing Bob can do for his party is to get out of the way, Rae is radio active and voters know it. I sincerely hope they find their weak links, find their leader and find their wings soon, time waits for nobody and this party is becoming less relevant every passing month.


A Concerned Canadian
said

The Liberals are arrogant, elitist, snobby and deceptive. They have been doing this for so long now I do not think they can even believe what they say. When I speak to a Liberal party member all I see is a power-hungry, self-ingratiating egomaniac who expects us to vote Liberal or we are some how no longer Canadian. It is the Liberals who have clung to ideology for the past ten years, not the Conservatives. When I speak to a Conservative party member, they are friendly, attentive to my concerns and my ideas. One sees that the Conservatives, not the Liberals, care deeply about Canada and do not see us as less Canadian if we do not support all of their ideas. The Conservatives do not argue or get defensive when one shares ideas they did not think of first. The Conservatives do not tell us how to think and do not expect to get our vote. They know they have to earn it. The Conservatives are not used to power yet and do not care about power. The Liberals, every time I speak to one of them, can only speak of power and the need to be in power. The Conservatives genuinely want to serve Canada and the Liberals care only about being in power. It is all most of them ever knew and to be in opposition is still a new concept to them, six years after their defeat under Paul Martin. The question is can the NDP be a challenger to the Conservatives? Can they resist the temptation to merge with the Liberals? Can they resist the temptation to become the Liberals, the Greens or the Conservatives? If so then the way the economy is going, they may very well form the next government in 2015.


bryan in ontario
said

IT was reported earlier in week that the Liberals have increased its membership (like we beleive that one), And it was reported they have taken in Millions in donations, Well if thats true then its time to Pay Back the monies stolen from Canadians in the ADSCAM scheme.


Raj
said

Not much fanfare.I am sure the media will make it look and sound like there is alot of fanfare, its started already.boo!!


George V.
said

The picture at the head of the story shows Bob Rae with his hands in his pocket (yours and mine)surrounded with Liberal signs. He would have made a much greater impression if he had taken off his jacket and rolled up his shirt sleaves giving the impression he was ready and able for the task ahead.


Dean
said

How can you "rebuild" a tired stale old party that stands for nothing in particular? By electing a chretien crony Sheila Copps as president ?? Or keeping Rae , the NDP destroyer of Ontario's economy (in 4 years no less) as leader?? What a start. My gosh look at the wreck the once mighty liberals have become.Smooth sailing for the Conservatives for years to come :)


Will
said

Until the liberals get rid of the old guard, the thieves and corrupt dealings, return what was stolen, get rid of the sense of entitlement, dump Rae, Copps, Trudeau and the other slime; they will never get a shred of support from me or mine.


Keep In Mind - Ottawa
said

The Federal Liberal (3rd) party should keep in mind that it was the "Canadian" people who put the Liberals into a "hole" and they can do it again. It's time to get it through their heads that "new ideas and young blood" is needed not the "nostalgia"


Dave
said

The Liberal's need a new leader but not just a "new MP" They need someone who is new but also has some experience, the last thing the party needs is someone with little experience and yes it does not need one of the guys or girls from the old club. I also believe the Liberals need to keep some of its grass roots of being a party in the center shifting slightly left. If they continue shifting more left as they have been they will only become an emulation of the doomed NDP (let's face it the NDP won in Quebec because the people there were fed up with the Bloc, Jack helped but it wasn't him alone). I agree to the PC's have lived up to their promises and if the Liberal's do the same, with some new ideas for this country, they may win my vote; but please Liberal's do not swing far to the left, we do not need to polorize our politics as well.


Intelligent Liberal
said

It's apparent my Liberals have lost their way. Iggy will be thanking the convention for the fun he had while leader, but really it probably wasn't that much fun. Sheila Copps is likely not the solution. The party needs a VISIONARY, some one who knows how to develop grass roots support, someone who had demonstrated the ability to build a party from ashes into a the Ruling Government! The party needs Preston Manning. It's too bad his views include all those Con political ideas, like fiscal constraint, reducing bureaucracy and economic stimulation.


Check it Out - Ottawa
said

Do hope someone checks out with the Freedom of Information who is paying for the rental of this Liberal Convention at this facility, and the cost it was rented for.


Just Wondering - Ottawa
said

While watching Sun News this week, Warren Kinsella the front and center cheerleader for the Liberal Party came out and is NOT in favour of Bob Rae as Leader of the Federal Liberals, but said he has all the resources at his feet, so makes it harder for others who want to run. The Liberals should keep in mind that it was "Canadian People" who put the Liberals in a "hole" and they can do it again. In Ontario we know what Bob Rae did and he can say all he wants it was him at the helm of the NDP party at the time. As one who cannot stand that smirk, grin and annoying laugh our family and friends would never vote Liberal with him thinking he is the saviour.


Ryan
said

Surprised to see that The Liberal Party of Canada still has 2500 supporters....


Gerald
said

The Liberals need to hire a professional in the art of body language to teach Bob some of the basics. Hands in pockets, not a good thing....unless you are standing outside at a bus stop in the dead of winter and you forgot your mitts at home.


The Artful Codger
said

Like surfers, I think the NDP caught a good wave in the last election and there was no doubt that Jack Layton was the key. For the Liberals I think that accept that singular situation and allow that happens in politics. Meantime the NDP is now slipping down the greased pole to the reality that they are used to. The word change is an absolutely crock at times and overrated. It is catching up with Obama and it is not all his own doing and if it weren't for a lack of a good candidate Obama may yet make another term. Change brings huge expectations so the Liberals need to be wary of sweeping everything out the door. Probably making use of McGuinty more and less of the old guard such as Chretien moves in the right direction. We need two good parties in this country and the NDP is not one of them.


BYE BYE LIBERAL PARTY
said

A party that no longer means anything, it would be nice to see them fade away forever.


Mike
said

What the Liberal party needs is a new face who is not a long time MP but someone who is a new MP. Will they make mistakes as leader, YES, but hopefully they will undersatnd what the Canadian people want. The problem with the liberal party is they think they know best what we the voters want. The other thing the new leader has to do is lay down policy and stick to what he/she says. The one thing you have to say about Harper is he has lived up to his election promises (like it or not) he is doing what he said he would do. This is what the Liberals need as a leader. Do what is right for Canada not the liberals bank account or Liberal Party.


John ON
said

If they want to get my vote back, the first thing they have to do is get rid of everyone in the party that thinks they are brilliant and the electorate are morons.


Rickards
said

The Liberals, a 3rd place federal party and this is exactly where they deserve to be. Every leader that comes through there is leukwarm when it comes to actually making decisions, they flip flop in decisions, they can't make the difficult decisions and if they try to, they water it down to make everybody happen and when you do that, you have very weak policy. Now tell me, who actually has leadership qualities within the Liberal Party? This party has swung way to far to the left and in this country there aren't very many people who will vote for a party that is that far off on the spectrum.


J.C.
said

What they need is a good strong leader - not a professor. They need someone who is not on an ago trip either, and one that can communicate clearly with all people in Canada and not just Quebec as they have in the past. They need someone who can concentrate on good programs to be established and not bow to all the lobbyists as well. They also need someone who is financially smart and not waste our tax dollars and not steal from pensions or UIC (EI) to balance the budget and pay down the debt without adding more taxes including carbon taxes. They also should be someone who respects our traditions and the monarchies place as head of state and protector of the constitution, and not just try to buy votes from the newer immigrants, and Quebec. They must be seen as fair to all of Canada.


Doug On
said

I'm not sure if it's an existential crisis or an extinction crisis. Paul Martin split the party with his rebellion against Chretien. Then the establishment put leaders in place that divided the party further. Now they are looking for inspiration from names like Rae, Ignatieff, McGuinty. Whre's Dion?. It's kind of like going to the second-hand store to update your wardrobe. Does the party have any new visionaries to offer the country?


George V.
said

We read here that the Liberals are going to weaken the power of the leader, have voting party membership without being fully paid up, This change is in line with how they handled immigration and how they battled crime by being soft. They want to become a party with bold clear ideas, the only way they are going accomplish that is like we read a little further on is by stealing from the Conservatives. Their biggest problem is they are leaderless, the party has no vision, no ideas ,plans, vision for the future or money. They remind me of Moses wandering for years in the desert waiting for instructions from above.


Jon in London ON
said

Liberals have finally tired of complaining about the Conservatives' tactics and have moved on to borrowing them. Imitation - the sincerest form of flattery.


W
said

Just like OWS (in Canada), media hype. There is nothing/no one new and the majority of Canadians don't care. This may be engaging for about ten minutes to the rabid anti -conservative, but at the end of the day we have a majority government for the next three years or so. Dump Bob Rae, Sheila Copps and Justine Trudeau and that would fresh and news worthy.


James T.
said

How about another National Energy Program to steal The West's oil again? That's worked so well for you lot in the past...


Frank Buchan
said

Forget political stripe for a moment, and consider:Pursuing the legalisation of marijuana is a sure way to lose the next election. And that's not a knock against weed, just and observation that the bulk of the people who might support such an idea rarely seem to be bother to actually vote. This isn't an issue for many folks over thirty.And the people who do actually vote are unlikely to view the end of the monarchy as acceptable. And, perhaps more obvious, is that the issue of the monarchy is polarising without being engaging -- it's a wasted gesture without any concrete positive outcome.So, if those are samples of the brand new idea of the LPC, they probably should just fold their tent and go home. What they need isn't radical change, or hare-brained ideas that have no fundamental end-value, but a handful of policies that appeal to the vast core of active voters who are or have been taxpayers. And, frankly, tax and spent genetics embedded in many in the party will not do that. New programs? No. Correct programs? Yes.


back to the drawing board
said

All the hype ?????? What hype ???? This party lost it's way a long time ago. It is only the media that keeps it in the news. Shelia Copps ??? oh boy!


Jack @ Ottawa
said

Growing tired of all the media coverage that is given to the 3rd Liberals & their problems. Perhaps, after this weekend, the Liberals will disappear from continuously making the Headline News. ( or just disappear completely ) .


Cowboy Logic
said

Is see the Liberal's problem - if theyI want an a party mired in nineteenth century class struggle policy and socialist ideals proven unworkable for over 300 years - join the NDP. If they want a party pursuing crushing enviromental policies that will drive society back to the stone age - well, you go Green. Maybe, Liberals could create a society of 1% ruling the 99% - just like North Korea. Guess I'll stick with liberty and freedom. Vote Conservative!


Bottom End
said

"the Liberals have finally tired of complaining about the Conservatives' tactics and have moved on to borrowing them."this is not good....the cons lied their way through the last election......yes, the electorate are not very intelligent.


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