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The anticipated $5.5 billion Enbridge Inc. project would result in a 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline carrying crude oil from Alberta to an oil tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for eventual export to Asia. The anticipated $5.5 billion Enbridge Inc. project would result in a 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline carrying crude oil from Alberta to an oil tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for eventual export to Asia. The Douglas Channel, the proposed termination point for an oil pipeline from Alberta is seen at sunset in Kitimat, B.C., on Monday Jan. 9, 2012. (Darryl Dyck / THE CANADIAN PRESS) A home is pictured near Douglas Channel, the proposed termination point for an oil pipeline from Alberta in Kitimat, B.C., on Monday January 9, 2012. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Darryl Dyck The anticipated $5.5 billion Enbridge Inc. project would result in a 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline carrying crude oil from Alberta to an oil tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for eventual export to Asia.

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The anticipated $5.5 billion Enbridge Inc. project would result in a 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline carrying crude oil from Alberta to an oil tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for eventual export to Asia. The anticipated $5.5 billion Enbridge Inc. project would result in a 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline carrying crude oil from Alberta to an oil tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for eventual export to Asia. The Douglas Channel, the proposed termination point for an oil pipeline from Alberta is seen at sunset in Kitimat, B.C., on Monday Jan. 9, 2012. (Darryl Dyck / THE CANADIAN PRESS) A home is pictured near Douglas Channel, the proposed termination point for an oil pipeline from Alberta in Kitimat, B.C., on Monday January 9, 2012. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Darryl Dyck The anticipated $5.5 billion Enbridge Inc. project would result in a 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline carrying crude oil from Alberta to an oil tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for eventual export to Asia.

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Date: Tue. Jan. 10 2012 10:30 PM ET

Environmental hearings into a proposed pipeline that would move bitumen from Alberta to British Columbia's coast began with heated words, as critics charged that Ottawa is trying to bully the project's opponents.

Enbridge Inc. wants to build the pipeline to carry oilsands-derived bitumen from a terminal near Edmonton, to a new supertanker port in B.C.'s Douglas Channel, where as many as 200 ships annually would take it for export to the U.S. and Asia.

While proponents contend the project would mean a significant economic boost -- a potential $3 trillion in economic development and more than 600,000 jobs -- opponents counter that the risk of an accident on the ecologically sensitive B.C. coastline is too high.

The hearings, which are expected to last for 18 months, got underway in Kitimat, B.C., on Tuesday. But as the two sides squared off, Enbridge announced that a possible gas leak was being probed at a well in the Gulf of Mexico, about 105 kilometres off the coast of Louisiana.

"A helicopter flyover was completed earlier today, and a three-foot (one-metres) diameter patch of bubbles has been spotted on the surface of the water in the vicinity of the Stingray natural gas pipeline," the Calgary-based company said in a release.

While a gas leak has a far different environmental impact than a potential oil leak, Enbridge has been forced to deal with a pair of U.S. leaks over the past two years that have undermined its claims of safety.

Earlier in the day, Haida leader Art Sterritt criticized Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver, who warned in an open letter released Monday that environmentalists and other "radical" groups would hijack the regulatory panel hearings.

"We've got an Alberta prime minister trying to bully British Columbians," Sterritt said.

The anticipated $5.5-billion pipeline calls for the Alberta bitumen to be loaded onto supertankers for eventual export to Asia.

In his letter, Oliver wrote of opponents of the project: "Their goal is to stop any major project no matter what the cost to Canadian families in lost jobs and economic growth. No forestry. No mining. No oil. No gas. No more hydro-electric dams."

The minister subsequently clarified his position in an interview with CTV News Channel on Tuesday, saying that he wasn't referring to all environmentalists.

In particular, Oliver called out organizations that are "injecting money into Canada with the express purpose of delaying and ultimately defeating these big infrastructure projects."

Proponents of Northern Gateway have long argued the economic values of the proposed venture, which Oliver estimated will add billions to government coffers.

The twin pipeline, he added, would diversify Canada's resources to the Asia Pacific area.

"We need to diversify our markets and that's the strategic objective that a pipeline from Northern Alberta to the West Coast of British Columbia could achieve," he said.

The NDP's Associate Critic for Natural Resources has shot back at Oliver, accusing him of "bullying Canadians" with a letter on the eve of the hearings.

Kennedy Stewart said the minister's letter suggests that he doesn't respect the hearing process.

"He doesn't really have any plan for moving forward," said Stewart. "His only plan seems to be for China to stick a big straw into Alberta and suck all the oil out."

More than 4,300 groups and individuals have signed up to speak at the hearings designed to weigh potential impacts of the proposed 1,177-kilometre twin pipeline project.

Lifelong Kitimat resident Manny Arruda said Tuesday he would like the federal government to stay out of the proceedings, so local residents, who would live with the threat of an oil spill or other disaster, can make up their own minds about the project.

"I'm a northern person who lives in a northern British Columbia town who uses fuel and I don't consider myself an environmental activist," Arruda told The Canadian Press. "I take exception to that and I think we just want to get clear answers."

Arruda pointed out that Kitimat residents have embraced a plan for three liquefied natural gas plants in the region because they are believed to be safer for the environment.

The three-member panel comprised of biologist Sheila Legget, energy lawyer Kenneth Bateman and aboriginal geologist Hans Matthews will amass the evidence and then decide whether it's in the Canadian public interest and meets federal environmental safety regulations. Their verdict is expected in a report late in 2013.

In the past, Oliver has said that he wants the hearing process to adhere to a timeline to prevent it from going on for too long.

Stewart, however, said he doesn't think Oliver is encouraging the process but rather "bullying" Canadians.

"It's very disingenuous," he said. "It's almost un-Canadian for a minister to come out and start bullying people the day before this process starts."

Environmental groups have also taken issue with Oliver's suggestion that organizations backed by money donated by sources in the United States are somehow "radical."

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Bradin780
said

Funny, don't even have to read the entire comment posted by a user to know where they stand. 'tarsands' against, oilsands for. Tar is a manmade product.They don't want to ship tar to China.


Mike F.
said

I totally agree with Mr. Oliver. The environmentalist groups are a bunch of "do gooders" who selfishly have been pushing their own agendas without regard to the costs to the economy, jobs, and Canadian interests. I hope they get hammered by the Conservative Government and the Canadian people whom I'm sure the majority agree with Mr. Oliver.


Keep the money
said

@ all the comments reg Alberta, I agree we should keep all the oil here refine it and sell it to the rest of the world and provinces and keep all the profits here. No more transfer payments for other provs have or have not.


M in Alberta
said

In Alberta, 81 percent of mineral rights, including oil and natural gas resources, are
owned by Albertans through the provincial government. The federal government owns a
total of 10.6 percent which is held in trust on behalf of First Nations, and within National
Parks. The remaining 8.4 percent are privately owned by corporations and individuals.
Rights to oil and gas resources that are owned by individuals and corporations are called
“freehold rights.”




Tory Blue
said

Can we look forward to Daryl Hannah taking a little dip in Douglas Channel cheered on by a group of supporters dressed like polar bears?
Perhaps a grand media production sponsored by the Sierra Club of AMERICA showing long-haired cabin dwellers wearing Stephen Harper masks? Let's just get this fiasco over with and move on!


John Lethbridge
said

I think Bruce Lyon means Prince Rupert, not Prince George, and that would certainly be a viable alternative to Kitimat.


Just Wondering - Ottawa
said

Where is the Interim Liberal Leader Rae and Carolyn Bennett Liberal MP..they certainly found the time to go off to Attawapiskat to speak up for the Native People in this area why are they not out putting their 2 cents in the West in Alberta to get this through to create jobs and get this oil flowing for Canadian and the Economy . Mr. Rae you never seem to be lost for words how about defending the rest of the Canadian people especially the Canadian people in Alberta, why be against people getting back to work right here in our own country.


Apocalypse Now
said

There will be over 200 ships per year hauling crude in and out of Douglas channel,thats 400 trips min.per year .then there is an LNG plant being built with so many ships per year . Then there is the floating LNG plant that will be built,with all their ships. Shell wants to build an LNG plant In Kitimat also and it will be the biggest of all . How many tankers do you think can safely travel through the Douglas channel with out incident. With this many vessels there is a much greater risk of catastrophy . Get your heads out of the tar sand .


Glen in Ottawa
said

I am not a radical but why are we in such a hurry to give the Chinese an easy way to take our oil. It is not like we will not need it down th eroad at $200-300 or more per gallon. What sticks with me is that in the last year or so the prognosticators say that in the not too distant future oil and water will be the two things nations will fight for and over. Why should we make it easier for China to take from us in the future while risking our remote wilderness where clean up would be very dirricult and expensive. We need to think beyond our noses and refine as much oil here as we can and keep jobs for generations not just a couple of decades.


Hunter Brumell
said

All pipelines in Canada should be closed. There is nothing terribly special about the Gateway one.


Gerald Edmonton
said

Pipelines are a neccessity for developments. Burt in all democraties dicussions and negotiations are also a necessity? By the reform Prime Ministers and his junkies are not there for the people but for the Calgary oil executives. Look at their history since 2002!


E.
said

@ ApocalypseHow inclusive and open minded of you, you don't sound ignorant and biased at all!! Keep those valid comments coming.


Proud Albertan
said

For starters we already have plenty of pipelines spread out all over the country they are safe they are constantly being monitored and checked and if there is a problem the damage is very localized and it is cleaned up! So don’t try and lecture us about the environmental risks! Second I would be suspicious to of Any American money that goes into supporting environmental groups up here what interests do should the Americans have with OUR LAND in the first place! Third we NEED to diversify our economy! we cannot be so dependent on the US! if you don’t think so then maybe we should just build a pipeline to the states oh wait a minute.... can’t do that not without playing US politics the more diversity we have the more economically stable we become and the less volatile our markets become. So this garbage that mr Kennedy is spewing about "China to stick a big straw into Alberta and suck all the oil out." is nonsense. Bottom line this pipeline will be built so get used to the idea


robin hood
said

robins111 said— If you don't vote, pay taxes and live in Canada, you should not get to tell us how to develop our resourses.If you are a Canadian environmental lobbiest, be prepared to show us where your funding comes from.. Otherwise you are a Quisling…Re: Quisling is a term used in reference to fascist and collaborationist political parties and military and paramilitary forces in occupied Allied countries which which collaborated with Axis occupiers in World War II, as well as for their members and other collaborators. C SAX in AXIS Thanks robin—RAC


Practical Dan
said

A few years after a pipeline is built the people living near it don't hardly even notice it's there. Pipelines don't make noise. They just sit there. The lane cleared to put them in produces abundant grasses that the wildlife thrive on. Plus, the companies who run them typically do good things for the community like create local jobs, donate toward things like new hockey arenas, etc. and pay lots of taxes which helps everyone.


Apocalypse Now
said

Please if you are from Alberta,keep your 2 bits out of the discussion. You guys have the mentality of Replicans in america. You have no respect for democracy. Build a refinery in Alberta if need be .Your not going to pollute the rest of the country for your own benefit.And when you run out of clean drinking water, maybe we can discuss building a water pipeline so you have something to drink when yours is all gone.


Monique
said

If you believe that the environmental organizations get more money from outside the country thant the Oil and Gas execs pushing for this project, you seriously need to educate yourself. Harper knows full well how much foreign money is backing this project. The REFORMERS are a bunch of hypocrites.


Bill In Calgary
said

Chris. Great comments. Barbarians? Ha, what a joke. This country is in the hands of the most capable government ever formed. It's about time we had a government that is standing by its policies. Kudos to the Conservatives. Keep up the good work.


Mike in Calgary
said

To Bruce Lyon, what map are you looking at, Prince George is no where near the coast, hundred's of kilos in land. Or has the big earth quake hit and moved Prince George?


B. JERO
said

To Bruce Lyon, a oil tanker cannot navigate the Frazer River from Vancouver to Prince George a 10 hour trip by car.


Joan in real World
said

Many commentors here seem to restrict the environmental issue to only the Pipeline. The pipeline would travel a large distance, crossing 1000 rivers and streams, and be built by Enbridge, which has a less than acceptable track record with environmental safety. But that is not all. What is the most worrisome to opponents is the oil tanker traffic leaving Katimat with this oil and having to cross a long, narrow and shallow channel to get to sea. But you don't see any of the commentors who support this project mention the tankers.


Bucko
said

Last time I checked the origin of the pipeline was in Alberta with the destination in BC. In my book as both Provinces are Canadian Provinces the descision one way or another will be in the best interests of Canadians and made by Canadians.The decision to allow the rag ,tag mix of whatever groups from wherever to have input on a Canadian project within Canadian Boundaries is a no brainer!


Stephen
said

It seems to me that there is allot of anger-opinion on both sides driven more by politics than facts. I suspect that much of this is from people who have not lived or traveled along the west coast or know of what is at stake either environmentally or economically. Take the time to learn and read more. Begin by questioning your own assumptions and sources. The rise in the extreme politics of distraction needs to be checked so that some facts may be herd through all this noise.

The empty can rattles the most.


Danielle
said

The world is slowly running out of oil.That is it, the truth be known. Also refinning the oils, especially tar sands oils creates more polutions in the air as well as the enviroment. And we breath that polution.The new cars are out and we have only one new car out with an electric motor and it is a hybrid. Wow, the car manuactures are really doing R & R on trying to help the world.What would be truely interesting to see is the following.A survey, 10 questions, rated 1 to7 say on values where BC persons especially and maybe Canadians as well can give their opinion on this project. The survey can be tied into the isp address to validate residency for the Province.I think that a major enviromental agency has the the funds for it or maybe an enviromental group.


John in Calgary
said

One way or the other, a pipeline will be built. The trick is to offer viable alternatives to the proposed route that minimize the risks to the environment.Perhaps it would also make sense to build a pipeline to Eastern Canada. The east imports foriegn oil when they could be using ours. Finally, to have a refinery or 2 built in Canada would not be a bad idea either. Many of our refineries have shut down and haven't been replaced.I realize that some of this is a bit off topic, but there are alternatives to the pipline that is proposed. Rather than just fighting against it, fight for a better alternative.


Franck commonsens
said

Well put, B Jero! Also it is because that Canadians are getting fed up of the "Americanization" of this country and the continual attitude of the Harper government to sell this country and increase the overwhelming and dangerous dependency of Canada toward that foreign country; instead of working domestically to achieve self sufficiency and real growth of this once sovereign country.Look at the Fraser park case: selling national assets to Americans...another clear example!


Bruce Lyon
said

Instead off loading oil from a pipe line to Kitimat where it is a navigation nightmare for oil tankers to navigate in order to get there, why not build a pipeline to Prince George and build a refinery there, that way we can ship finished product and create even more jobs for that area. Oil Tankers could still load up there as well, but a 5% tariff, of the value of the crude oil, could be charged for all ships on-loading crude oil; and that money could be used to pay for a refinery to be build. It could be a win-win. Also, China might be interested in investing or forming a partnership to have a refinery build at Prince George, in fact it would be a plus for them to do so.


Bruce Lyon
said

Seems like the safest and best port to receive oil tankers is Prince George which is has a deep water harbor to facilitate oil tankers. It's a direct approach in and out and very safe from a maritime navigation perspective. Yes it means an additional 120 km. of pipe line, but much safer to have loading facilities at Prince George.


SPH
said

How can you respect a process that allows NON-CANADIANS any input? This pipeline has no affect/effect on thier country or lives.


Doug
said

I know of no facts that would indicate what clear cutting for logging has in common with a pipe line project; lets stick to the risks involved in a pipeline.

Trees are natures prime 'green' product as they totally renewable and their waste is completely recyclable.

Oil is a requirement for our growth and existence until we have something else to replace it. We will not have a replacement as long as the 'green' initiative dictates the direction. Solar and wind mills will not support an economy the size we need, thinking and research are needed.


mike
said

Its seems OK for these left wing nuts to oppose openly to everyone but when the government gives it back they think they are out of line.Well left wing nuts you are about to meet your match because the rest of us have had enough of your belly aching. Why dont you all left wing nuts find a real job and pay taxes like the majority of Canadians. Also this is about Canada and our rights as Canadians. We dont need any foreigners like movie stars jetting in on their polluting jets and giving us Canadians what they think because the majority of Canadians dont care what they think. Screw off and find another island to pollute.


James B
said

For all these not knowing and have no idea what's going on and they hate pipelines: Solutions for them we'll just truck it west. Have a few thousand trucks driving through their land that would make more sense to the sense less.


Bob
said

It is useful for environmental groups to point out the dangers and the risks but if all they can say is no, then that is not constructive. There are obviously a lot of benefits to Canada to develop our resources and economy. Helping to figure out how to do this safely would be welcome. As with any project of any kind, the people who just want to say it can not be done add little value.


Death of Canadian Democracy
said

What a joke......and of course the oil industry in Canada is entirely and only funded by Canadian dollars and managed by Canadian citizens.


Redneck Albertan
said

It's a pair of pipes in the ground. There are tens of thousands of them already out there. Even the very old ones, when in the rare occurrence have a break, generally cause very localized damage. Compare the number of pipeline ruptures to the number of tanker trucks involved in accidents and spills year over year and the issue is moot. The people protesting a line like Northern Gateway need to consider the alternatives. Systems can also be put in place to enable safe navigation of our waters. No one wants to see or could afford causing a million barrel oil spill. That in itself tells me things will be done right.


Lori
said

Upon seing that a project encounters so much opposition among Canadians, any leader deserving of the name would take note of the opposition, take a step back and reexamine its plans. What does ours do? He takes note of the oppposition and decides the thing to do is to demonize Canadians who oppose his plans and restrict debate. Between this and the type of stuff Putin would do in Russia, there is not that big of a step.


Paul
said

Really a moot point to hold hearings when the pipeline is already being built.Seems it's already decided, no matter what comes out of the hearings.


Dave
said

New pipelines are not the problem,old pipelines that need to be replaced are. Ask yourself if you would allow your children to drive a car that is 30-40 years old. If you started today replacing pipelines that have expired, It would take 20 years. I built some of them, I have a inkling of what needs to be done.


BumcrackUSA
said

The Reformers will try to demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them to win the public relations war. That is how they won their majority and that is what they do every time they encounter opposition.---Anyone who believes that there is more foreign money going to the environmentalists than foreign money going to the pipeline promoters is seriously out of touch.


Just a kid worried about his planet.
said

I just don't understand why our country's leaders cant take money away from projects regarding ancient power sources like this when we could use this money to research and build newer, safer and overall "greener" power sources than oil. Having a clean planet when i'm older means more to me than an economy thats slightly more stable.


works on the coast
said

I'm wondering if all the oil patch company execs and workers will want to keep comiing to B.C.'s north coast to fish for salmon and halibut while Very Large Crude Carriers are bearing down on them. Some of the very best sports fishing on B.C.'s north coast is directly in the path of these oil SUPER tankers!!


RaiRai
said

People are upset because our politicians can't think before they speak. "Environmentalists and other radical groups" You're grouping people who care about the environment into a "bad", almost terrorist like group. I have solar powered heating, does that make me into some radical? Obviously not.

Look, oil is income, we all know that. We can't stop it. You can however make it as safe as possible.


David from Edmonton
said

Enbridge has a disgusting track record when it comes to spills. The spill south of Wrigley, N.W.T. is one example, the Michigan spill (EPA estimate more than 1.1 million gallons-the largest inland oil spill in midwest history) is another example. If Enbridge is allowed to build the pipeline to Kitimat, it will not be a question of will there be a spill, but when. Why put B.C.'s magnificent wilderness areas at great risk to supply oil to a nation which has a terrible track record in human rights?


b. jero
said

It is disingenuous for CTV to not provide a true detailed map of the B.C. Coast involved . When people see how many nautical miles in Canadian waters a super tanker will have to travel past numerous islands,creeks, rivers and the long and narrow channel to Kitimat they will have a greater understanding the unlimited damage from a oil spill. The ocean currents flow to the shores of the west coast and down the very long inside passage. A oil large oil spill would devastate a huge number fish and animals like the killer whale and spirit bear. Canadians from the East of the BC Coast should take the overnight inside passage BC ferry from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert and see the wildlife and the beauty of the mountains, inlets,islands and waterfalls on both sides of them. To save approximately 120 miles of pipe and bypass Prince Rupert's deep sea harbour in favor of the long tanker trip with many course changes and up a very long Chanel is far from credible. This is a propaganda push by foreign oil companies who have THE MONEY. It is time for video of the tanker route be shown on TV to the Canadian public. Is this oil tanker route in Canadian waters to Kitimat the longest and most environmentally dangerous in the would ???


thomas
said

George Orwell called, he wants his government propaganda machine back.


Charles Klein
said

I am with J.C. on this one. Where does it stop? B.C. is already clear cutting its forests away for the Asian market, and now we are going to run a pipeline over protected terrain? This is so ridiculous, especially when we see our gas prices so out of control. How does this help the average working person in B.C.? It doesnt! I agree also with John Wright, the oil companies want it all, the hell with the consequences.


Chris, Alberta
said

Well we now know that the Harper government has no interest in hearing any dissenting viewpoints. So much for inclusive democracy. Harper's arrogant inner circle thinks it knows more than anyone else about everything. This country is truly in the hands of barbarians.


westcoastgrc
said

I think if I read or hear someone say ( the almighty dollar ) again I'll get sick


Michael from the real world
said

Actually, Laura, many of the energy companies behind the Northern Gateway project ARE Canadian. JC--the reason additional refineries won't be built here is because there is no market for their products [that isn't already being refined in Alberta]. What gets missed in all the hoopla over this proposal [and is very conveniently ignored by the left] is that it was the northern BC communities THEMSELVES that initiated the whole shebang! As for leftie BC's protests about tankers--tankers travel past the Canadian coast EVERY single day, heading from Alaska to California refineries.


Melanie from Terrace
said

I live 60km north of Kitimat and don't want this pipeline going through our region. I am appalled at some comments referring to us Northerners as attempting to stop progress and jobs. Does no one remember the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and the path of destruction it still leaves? If you lived here, would you want a oil pipeline going through your backyard with the potential of damaging a large area? It's our home and wedeserve the right to say if we want it here or not.


Will
said

Pure stupidity. There is a process that needs to be followed in order to ensure proper protection of both the environment and the public interest. In this the Americans, their paid dissenters, and the various wingnuts have no right to be heard. Whether you are a supporter or against the pipeline proposal, the only voice that should be heard is that of Canadians, everyone else can butt out or be excluded. Canada is for Canadians First and Foremost.


Vern in Alberta
said

For Emil. Let the intellects in the Centre of the Universe (Ontario) decide what is good for Alberta? I say put the pipeline through and sell to Asia. Let the Americans import their oil from the Arabs.


Steve Hicken
said

And would all you Liberals who constantly attack your P.M. do the same if if a Liberal P.M. was to build a pipeline to the States and B.C.? I rather doubt it. You would all be giving him your highest praise. What we see here is nothing but sour grapes for no other reason because the Conservatives had a vision and did it first !


Camwest
said

If this falls through we should build a pipeline to Churchill instead. Show the world we can build a safe pipeline. For those against the pipeline, how do you think Canada pays for its social net presently? Like it or not we are an oil super power. We use it to heat our houses, drive cars and make plastics etc. Don't complain about the price of gas and use your electronic equipment and condemn this project too.


Doug
said

Why is the federal minister demonized when he states what every concious Canadian knows. Of course the radical, obstructionist, publicity-seeking, special interest groups are doing their best to hijack the precess. Particularly offensive is the major Canadian media, piously pretending to be objective .while stacking their panels with the usual anti-Conservative rant. How many Canadians does Elizabeth May represent? Who are the unheard of CBC pseudo- intellectuals representing? Where are the experts on this project?


J.C.
said

With the amount of money that is being spent to prevent this pipeline from being built, why not just sponsor refineries to be built in Canada? What I question is whether there are any more oil extracting companies left that are Canadian owned? As far as the pipeline is concerned the almighty dollar should not be the main consideration when it is the Canadian people's environment that is at stake here. I am not for or against this pipeline but I sure would like to know that great care is taken regarding our environment. Sorry but I certainly would not rely on those who represent the oil industry as being a reliable source as to the impact this project may have. I would far sooner see neutral third parties thoroughly investigating the impact factors.


robins111
said

If you don't vote, pay taxes and live in Canada, you should not get to tell us how to develop our resourses.If you are a Canadian environmental lobbiest, be prepared to show us where your funding comes from.. Otherwise you are a Quisling..


Doug
said

Contrary to statements put forward by some the ecosystem does not stay the same it is always evolving. It evolves continually because if it didn't it would die.

You can not live in (or return to)the past because it is gone and can not return; it is not longer relevant or sustainable today.

Trees and animals do not live forever nor do they stay the same. They and we evolve each generation in order to live and prosper in an ever-changing natural environment.

To pretend that we can change this evolutionary path is arrogant at best. The earth has for example had both hot and cold periods throughout history and this will continue; we must concentrate on adapting not fighting.


Linda Stoddard Saint John N.B.
said

Mr. Oliver's open letter with comments such as "radical environmentalist" and "highjack the process" makes it very clear the government wants this project to go ahead. When the N.E.B. makes it decision, it goes to Cabinet to for the final say. If the N.E.B. should deny the application and the Cabinet overrules their decision, the government will be open to legal challenges for interfering in the "arms length process". Seems to me this government may have shot itself in the foot.


Laura
said

They say they don't want foreign interests funding the opposition. Well what do they think the oil industry is, Canadian???!!!! Liars, manipulators, idiots.


Gerry from MB.but not NDP.
said

Looks like some would like to go back to the caves.


steve
said

so let me get this straight, people who care for the environment and our future are radicals and terrorists right. just wanted to understand what righties are trying to say.


Progress
said

@ Occupy Kitimat, you want to buy an Ipad2? Really? The last time I looked, plastic was an oil based product.


GHW
said

Obviously this regulatory review process is broken. Changes are desperately needed to filter and if necessary limit the participants. When foreign interests are allowed to finance lobbyist to obstruct to the degree we are seeing here something is wrong. Yes projects like this need constructive review but I for one am fed up with these radical protesters who do not have Canadian interests at heart. They bring with them kayos and disorder and are destroying our freedom and way of life.


M
said

This is a topic near and dear to me. A lot of our families have raised our kids and made a living from the oil industry.

The KeyStone pipeline's been stalled. The Americans don't want it going through their country. Fine! We heard you all ready!!

Now we're looking at taking it West (on CANADIAN SOIL) and selling the oil to the Chinese. On this, Americans have no input!


Emile
said

I think that we should have a referendum on the matter and let majority rule not a tiny minority.51%


joe civy
said

I would like to see a web site that has counters that will show all canadians what this actually will cost. The bill always turns out to be twice to triple the costs. After millions is given to special consultant friends and family members get there share, the rest is on our shoulders and these farmers and land owners should be well compensated, the goverment, oil companies and there family and friends will all be!


sd
said

The other thing that must be considered is the value of the ecosystem as it is intact. There might be short-term economic benefits to this pipeline (and I mean short term in the sense of 3-4 generations from now as opposed to long-term human existence on earth). But what are the economic benefits of a healthy ecosystem? The natural air and water filtration, biodiversity that keeps pests and diseases at bay, soil regeneration. This is called ecosystem valuation, and in all cases it is more expensive to create these services artificially. Ie. building a water filtration plant vs natural water filtration.


M
said

Why aren't the Americans concentrating on the mess their own country is in? This is ALBERTA oil and CANADIAN jobs are at stike. If it was up to the Americans, Canadians would be jobless, losing their houses and living on food stamps in tents they way a lot of them are.

This pipeline SHOULD be very sensitive to the environment but every Canadian has the right to be given the opportunity to make a decent living to support their families as well. There needs to be some balance here between the protecting the environment and people's rights/needs.


Brian
said

To "Occupy Kitimat":

I’m totally aghast (that means “shocked”) by the fact that you are unable to afford an IPAD2!! What kind of world are we living in when big-business is willing to give millions to charities that feed, clothe and house those who are less fortunate…but nobody cares to help those who are unable to afford the latest technology! How do those without the most current IPhone, IPad or even a 52” television manage to survive?
Thank-you Occupy Movement for helping the rest of us stay focused on what’s really important in life!



John Wright
said

Ask the people in the Gulf Of Mexico how many jobs where created and the economic benefits the people got from that giant oil spill.Seems the insanity won`t stop till every coast in the world has been permanently destroyed by toxic oil spills.


Pat
said

What a gereat country we live in here in Canada. We will allow 4500 people to express their opinion on a Canadian pipeline. It's heartwarming to know that the dictator Hugo Chavez, through his oil company CITGO will have a say in our pipeline. The U.S. based Rockefeller Foundation will also weigh in on this issue. The San Francisco Moore Foundation has generously given certain natives $9 million to fight the Canadian pipeline. We will also hear from people like Jack Sparrow and Cave Man. But we must not forget the Hollywood folks...they will also be up here telling us what to do.Isn't great that we allow all these foreigners to tell us what tyo do!!


Richard
said

"Oliver touted a potential $3 trillion in economic development and more than 600,000 jobs"

Uh, Mr. Oliver may be being just a tad optimistic; Canada's GDP is only 1.6 trillion and the pipeline is only supposed to cost 5.5 billion. So he's saying that the pipeline will generate 550 times its cost in economic development. That seems highly unrealistic to me and sounds more like spin than reality (spin being a synonym for lie).

As for employment there are about 17 million people employed in Canada. 600k jobs represents a 3.5 percent increase in employment nationally. All that from one pipeline. Perhaps he's factoring in the jobs created by oil spills.

This whole thing is posturing and nonsense anyway. The Americans want the oil and they will figure out a way to get it without going over the Rocky Mountains and transporting it by tanker. This pipeline isn't going to happen.

By the way, Canada's largest earthquake (8.0) occurred offshore from Prince Rupert (100k from Kitimat). What are the odds of a spill?





Mark Sask.
said

It appears that anytime anyone opposes anything from this government, there is automatically an Us v.s. Them mindset placed at the forefront both from the PMO and in the comments on news sites. I don't understand this, politics is not black and white, just like this pipeline and the issues surrounding it are not. Pegging environmentalists as "wanting us all to be cavemen" is a blanket statement and is entirely untrue, meanwhile saying that nothing should ever impede development is equally disturbing, yet rarely seen as extreme. Environmentalists are not terrorists, most are conservatives (note the small c), as in we don't like change especially when those changes that could potentially devastate peoples lives. The only thing potentially being devastated on the other side is a few thousand jobs, a big thumbs up from big oil to the Haper gov, and the billions of dollars that Oil companies would suck out of our country. Also it's strange that when a foreign company wants to walk all over our regulatory system funneling millions into lobbyists and campaign adds, that is fine, but when anything remotely close to that is done to counter that view it is "radical". Give your head a shake.


Occupy Kitimat
said

Another function of the Occupy movement is to protect the environment. But also, very wealthy oil firms make billions of dollars so they need to give some to us young people and some older people who can't even afford to buy an ipad 2.


Ken
said

it's oilsands not tarsands (a US product from California)


Rick
said

Before everyone condemns the people who do not want the pipeline crossing their land, please consider this question: what is the economic benefit to the land owner once the pipeline is constructed? The landowner's land is now split by the pipeline and must only cross the pipeline at designated locations plus he must always live with the risk of the pipeline rupturing and thus contaminating his land. So basically the land owner must be willing to accept the risk with no real economic benefit. I haven’t heard of any offers of reduced energy costs to the land owners offered by the Oil companies as a trade off for the pipeline crossing the land owners property. How many of the people condemning these landowners would be willing to live with this situation?


Gilbert in Ottawa
said

I my opinion, the process is broken. Why is it that over 4300 people/groups can go in front of the pannel and repeat the same thing over and over again. Seems to me like a big waste. The hearing process needs to be changed. Lets get some experts in the field from both sides and then make a decision based on their views. Hearing 4300 times again and again that bad-oil-is-bad, is not helpful. If it is a yea, then lets move on with it and if it's a nea, then lets burry it and move on. I just look here in Ottawa with for example Landsdown park and transit lightrail, it's been going on for ever, being stalled at the expense of the citizens. I would implore the Federal Government to propose amendments to change the process to make it more efficient.


Tom out west
said

I'd love to go to Kitamat and get my two bits in to promote the project as a needed economic and safe development. I'd like to but I can't as I have a job. I also can't justify the flights or the lodgings as I'm not rich just an average working stiff.So how is it 4500 groups and individuals can? Thats why American financed protests are unfair. They're all paid lobbyists and the average working Canadian won't get a say. Go Harper!


David H
said

Wow. There are some strong opinions presented here. Sad that these people spout off their (uninformed) opinion as if it were fact, and they don't even realize the ignorance or hypocrisy in their statements. Joe Oliver got them hook line and sinker with his spin, and these people haven't got a clue that they were baited. Very sad that people can't be smarter than this.


wstrncehnehdeh in SK
said

Forget Kitimat! If the town is not interested in the economic boom take the pipeline straight to the Prince Rupert area and I'm sure they won't mind the long term jobs. The minister is correct when he states that foreign interests are at work here to sabotage the Canadian economy. Let us not give in to these agents of communism.


Al
said

It seems no one is ever satisfied these days. Amidst the fear mongering is the reality that the world is dependant on oil for the present time. As we evolve into a green era, wind generators, hydro and solar methods of energy will replace the oil. Perhaps scientists will also develope a method of increasing the atmospheres ability to shield the earth from the suns deadly rays. The earth is not forecast to end for a while yet! Sit back and relax, grab a good book, surf the net or whatever. Getting upset over the uncontrollable is way too stressful.


cis in dublin shore ns
said

If all these radicals want to complain let them give up all normal lifestyles and go back to a couple thousand years ago no car no furnace no house no stores no mass transit etc. They want all the economic advantages but can't seem to understand we live in the real and modern world not the caveman era


Just Saying - Ottawa
said

Why is it okay for billionaire American and European Foundations to pour more then $300 Million into Canadian Groups over the past decade to help fuel "anti-oil" sands campaigners. This is a loss to Canadian families in jobs and economic growth for Canada. Why are these radical groups campaigning against the Northern Gateway pipeline proposal to connect Alberta's oilsands to a new marine terminal in Kitimat, B.C. why are we not allowed to develop "our" natural resources. How can Canadians be against this...


Jack @ Ottawa
said

To Allen; Could not agree with you more. Most of these leftist-socialist ' radicals' enjoy the benefits of oil/gas corporations as they drive theri vehicles to protest, use hydro for living and phones etc for communications. Appears to me that the 'radicals' ( led by foreigner Lizzie May ) are a bunch of attention-grabbibg hypocrites.


George V.
said

This is the whole reason for having these hearings, to address all the environmental concerns. Hearings that will last for 18 months should touch on all concerns brought forward by any group. To start complaining before they have even started is just trying to get a leg up over over their opponents.


Don Mitton
said

i trust that there will be good news coverage of these hearings so that both sides get to have their say and the public can be well informed. this does not just affect B C residents but is for all of Canada. i am in Nova Scotia and will follow this closely. Don


allan
said

To all the moron protestors, I suggest you practice what you preach. They are against oil, gas, hydro, tree harvesting, cell phones, etc, etc.so I suggest you give up all these worldly goods and go live in a cave and see how you like it. Otherwise, shut up and join the real world. Everyone agrees that we want a clean planet,and energy companies know better than most how to achieve this becuse they work with it everyday. You people are only continuing to make fools of yourself and dont do your cause any good.


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