Feds ban face-covering veils during citizenship oath

Ottawa has added a new, controversial requirement to become a Canadian citizen. Muslim women can no longer cover their faces when saying their citizenship oaths. John Vennavally-Rao reports.

CTV British Columbia: Ottawa bans face coverings

Jason Kenney has announced plans to ban new Canadians from covering their faces when taking the oath of citizenship. Bhinder Sajan reports.

CTV Calgary: Canadians reacting to veil ban

The federal government is now requiring new Canadians who wear garments that cover their faces to remove them during the oath of citizenship. Kevin Green reports.

CTV Montreal: No veils at ceremonies

The federal government has declared that everyone must show their face when they take the oath of citizenship. Cindy Sherwin explains.

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Immigration Minister Jason Kenney speaks to cultural groups about the value of Canadian citizenship in Montreal, Monday, Dec. 12, 2011. (Paul Chiasson / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Mon. Dec. 12 2011 8:41 PM ET

New Canadians will have to remove garments that cover their faces when undergoing an oath of citizenship, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said Monday.

The minister told a news conference in Montreal that the ban includes the Islamic niqab or burqa. It takes effect immediately.

Kenney said there have been complaints that it is difficult to say whether individuals are actually taking the oath if their faces are covered when doing so.

He also said that new Canadians should be taking the oath in front of fellow citizens.

"This is really a matter of pure principle -- which is at the heart of our public values," Kenney said in French.

"The oath of citizenship is a public gesture."

Kenney said he did not believe that veils are a religious requirement for Muslim women in all circumstances.

"When Muslim women do the hajj to Mecca as part of their Koranic obligation of pilgrimage to the holy sites, they are required not to wear a veil. They are required to show their face," Kenney said in English.

"So the notion that this is somehow a religious obligation, I don't accept."

The ban comes at a time when the Supreme Court is hearing arguments as to whether a Muslim woman has the right to wear her veil when testifying against two men she accuses of sexually assaulting her.

But Nermine Barbouch, a Muslim woman from Montreal, suggested that such a ban contravenes the Charter.

"We can't contradict our own system. Our country gives those women and every Canadian citizen to show up dressed as they wish, especially if it's related to religion," she told CTV Montreal.

Salam Elmenyawi, president of Muslim Congress of Montreal, said that the new rule is disturbing, as well as unnecessary.

He noted that the law is "for a non-existent problem," but he added that the new rule sends the message to Muslims that "they have some kind of a problem" that requires special regulations.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Sarah
said

I am a Muslim. I do wear a hijab but not a veil. Personally I think the new law is definitely reasonable. In reality the purpose behind the hijab is to avoid attracting attention towards yourself. In this society the veil does the exact opposite it seems. In the quran it is in no way stated that a muslim woman must wear a veil so technically it isn't violating anyone's rights. I'm genuinely positive that it is not going to cause any great harm for someone to uncover their veil for a short duration of time. I've lived in Canada all my life and have never felt my rights being violated so I personally feel some people are over exaggerating about the situation.

Arnold in AB
said

Some people have said here that wearing the veil is not a requirement of Islam.Wrong.Surah 33:59 'O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.'

Alex in Edmonton
said

I'm shocked that it was actually okay until now for people to cover their faces. If you want to become a Canadian, you have to adapt. I would do the same if I chose to immigrate to a country with different customs. It's perfectly reasonable for us to demand that we see you swear allegiance to our Queen and her successors, because she and they represent our national unity.

R.T
said

Yes,I strongly agree,Very good job Canada.

Don in BC
said

YES! Completely agree. Welcome to Canada ladies! You're free to be proud of who you are and not hide yourselves because some man is too much of a coward to allow a woman to equally contribute to society!

George V.
said

Common sense in our justice system still prevails. Thank You Jason Kenney.

Kareen
said

What is the purpose of the veil? display modesty.But you are drawing attention by covering your face in this country. The whole purpose is now become very useless!!!I am also an immigrant, I dress modestly and I do not cover my face/head. And I am not drawing attention in public...That's the whole purpose of being modesty...But, you are inviting problems by covering your face in this country....that's not modest if you ask me!!!!Your face is your identity! Grow up. Dress modestly and display your identity.

Anne McDonald
said

I am very much against wearing any face coverup in the swearing in cermony. When in Canada Canadian rules should apply to all. Face coverage should not be alowed under any circumstances!!!!

Mike
said

the good old dilemma. Freedom of religion or equality between sexes. Canadian multiculturalism should be dropped and interculturalism should take its place.

HOPEOTTAWA
said

Finally!!! is this a sign that there is hope for our governments to use common sense?

John
said

I agree that women should remove their veils at swearing-in ceremony.

Unknown
said

ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS? Ignorance is prevailing. Why do you have a problem with are religion if it doesn't concern you? So what if we where a niqab or burka. WE ARE NOT TERRORIST WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEADS. How about if someone said " you couldn't speak your language" "Or you can't bring your religious books into our country". We are slowly being assimilated. Its just a matter of time and i for one don't approve of it.

Rumptoasty
said

I have read the Coran, and I defy anyone to show me where in the Coran, women should wear a veil. To those so called muslims who claim that this is a religious issue, could you please indicate how this is a religious and not a cultural issue. The charter of rights and freedoms provides sanctuary against religious discrimination AND gender discrimination. So knowing that the veil is a cultural issue, I totally agree with decision. and to those who are anti-immigrant...you bring shame upon your nation and yourselves.

Love Canada
said

I am a Muslim man, and I say it's long overdue.

happy immigrant
said

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! absolutely about time!! Lets stand up for women all over the world, and let go of oppression that stems from uneducated traditions of a lost era where women were not considered people. YAY CANADA!

grizzbear
said

I don't get it. Canada welcomes newcomers and explains how in Canada all people are equal and to be shown equal respect. Yet for some unknown reason Canada then allows them to be covered from head to toe in public. Is this equal? No. Is this respectful? No. The burqa is representative of a culture that essentially allows men to enslave women. This is NOT a religious question.

Nicole in EDM
said

@ Dave in EDM... You are great! As for my comments... My family immigrated from the middle east years ago. I am half middle eastern and half canadian... I think everyone should have the rights to practice and follow their religious beliefs and if it means wearing the hajjab then so be it. Canada welcomes these people into our country so they should not be stripping them of what they believe in!

K markham
said

I am shocked we allowed faces to be covered in the first place. Very sensible change. Maybe the Cons will now get rid of public funding for all faith based schools, that includes catholic. Provincial matter I know.

leftwingpinko
said

OMG i actually agree with prof pie on something, although i will pick on his use of the words "semi-misogynistic". there is nothing 'semi' about covering up a woman as though she was a shameful secret.

Vancouverite
said

Wow, another issue concerning immigrants is checked off the list. Excellent job! At this rate we're going to run out of things for the folks at CIC to do. Here's something to add to the list if it isn't already. . . . ban or strongly control foreign ownership of property in Canada, especially in Vancouver.

Let's be Clear
said

Now this is one I can agree with. Good work!

Some Guy
said

This is a clear case of xenophobia. Think about this for a minute, and weight the pros and cons.The downside to banning veils is that we are trampling on religious tradition, and ironically telling women what they can and can not wear, which is the exact thing that the ban is meant to fight.The downside to allowing the veils, is that someone might sneak in an impostor to the ceremony who would swear for them. Thereby becoming a Canadian citizen without swearing to be a good Canadian. God forbid! Because we all know that people who take that oath never, ever break it.I think the implausible worst case of having someone become a citizen without swearing to it, is not as dangerous as definite restricting of a group's freedom to wear what they want, and follow the religion of their choice.The swearing in ceremony is the most meaningful, but least practical part of the citizen process. There is a lot of other stuff you have to go through first. Like my parents, and their parents and their parents, and their parents, I became a Canadian without swearing to anything myself, and I bet many of you who entered this country via womb did as well.If people are still scared of identity issues, surely we can use fingerprints of some other kind of non-objectionable, and accommodating means to identify people.

Chris W.M
said

We live despite what many would have one believe in a judeo christian society with laws based on English law. We are a tolerant people, and we strive for equality showing ones face is an equal responsability no one should hide or be ashamed of being Canadian. Canada as a country would be far better if many would forget cultral differences and intergrate and be Canadian first. Would never want my wife or daughter to be second class citizens.

Lockerius
said

BIggest difference between a Liberal and Conservative government:1. Liberals will change who we are and how we do business, to 'accomodate' those from another society.2. Conservatives will require those same people to respect our beliefs and ways of doing business, since they are the ones coming here.

Mike in WL
said

What most commenters seem to be missing is that it's impossible to tell whether a person is actually taking the oath when their face is covered. If you don't say the words you don't get citizenship, it's that simple. In my opinion, this isn't about religion or tradition or rights, it's about knowing that the person taking the oath is actually doing so.

Paul
said

You turned this news article and used it for your own hatred towards a group that practices what they believe. Do they tell you what you should or shouldn't do? What makes you believe these women are oppressed? Is it because of what they are wearing or is it because you think it's oppressive? Perhaps you might want to educate yourself and take the time to get to know these people instead of making assumptions and blantant racist comments. And one more thing, Happy Holidays.

full blood canadian....... Muslim
said

Wow Im surprised of all these comments, I am a full blood born and raised and come from a catholic family in Nova scotia .I am now a muslim by my own choice and i also now wear this full face covering by my own choice .This uncovering the face is fine yes for the oath but the thing is we cover our faces for reglious reasons, we have no problem opening this in front of any women but not men as a reglious choice. I think that the big honchos in ottawa should have did there homework a little better on this one. Im sure that they could have arrange some how to have these women show there faces and had them screened infront of women security or women judges before the actual oath.This is a reglious choice to wear it not by force and i think as us as all good ,friendly canadian people that everyone knows us as we could be alittle more understanding and willing to compermise something more fair then this.

@Debbie from Mohammed
said

I would like to correct your impression that these full face veils are some sort of weapon of female oppression. This belief system is based on political propaganda, what some folks in the west refuse to accept is that women chose to dress this way based on a faith or based on a decision made within their families.If you were to speak to a Muslim woman fully veiled like that, you would not hear oppression or desperate pleas for some white man to free her. Don't you think you should worry about 'freeing' women in the west from the misogyny creating an epidemic of eating disorders, extreme plastic surgery, obscenely early sexual activity, teen pregnancy, date rape and high incident of domestic violence. Instead of wasting your time pointing fingers and broadcasting your own ignorance, I ask you to get informed and clean up your own backyard. My opinion is removing the veil for ceremonial and identification purposes is a GOOD THING. I don't support full face veils. Also, Merry Christmas to all.

Secular Canadian Muslim
said

Those face veils need to be removed for citizenship swearing and for other security measures. I grew up in a secular Muslim home, as are most Muslim homes, and these full face veils are an abomination and have nothing whatsoever to do with any real Islam. This bizarre sect and interpretation of full face coverage does not even constitute one percent of the globes Billion Muslims. I'm going to leave it at that or I my comment will very quickly become rant against this practice and that helps no one. Mr. Mansour

Common sense prevails
said

what took so long...finally a good decision...now government needs to crack down on immigration fraud...

Fed up of being a Canadian sucker

A Proud Canadian
said

So glad this has been approved.

Frank
said

Finally something i can agree with the gov... But is it enough.. I wouldnt mind banning that thing all together...

Mrs. Ogga
said

I'd say the consensus is overwhelmingly in favour of Mr. Kenney's decision. Overwhelmingly in favour. Not even an eentsy weensy bit in favour of the contrary. References to holy books don't count. Common sense, rule of law, and national customs matter.

Compromise maybe?
said

How about we use female judges for the swearing in process in these cases and bang, problem solved. They can remove them without the negativity attached to it. Female judges do exist, and need work. It's not a stretch on any sort of resources. How about a little mutual respect, compromise and understanding people? Or is this country not Canada anymore? I never thought I would see the day where so many Canadians acted so arrogant, pig-headed, and downright nasty. More and more I cease to even recognize this country. I sure do wish for the days when Canadians used logic and reason and came up with solutions everyone likes. I guess there is no room for people like that in the new Canada. A country where people seem to be more inclined to argue, fight and make enemies than just make an effort to get along. Welcome to the 51st state.

Prof. Pye Chartt
said

The niqab or burqa are oppressive cultural impositions utilized in subscribing Muslim countries of the Arab world, not religious requirements of Islam. There is no issue here, therefore, having to do with the trampling of "religious freedom." It's a highly rational measure having to do with basic physical/facial identification for lawful purposes. (The Oath of Citizenship is a legally binding oral/written contract having to do with new Canadians promising to obey our laws and customs, and fulfill their duties as citizens, while recognizing the authority of the Monarch.)

Judy
said

So Kenney's only concern is that maybe the woman is not reciting the oath....watching someone's lips move does not necessarily mean they are reciting an oath...unless Kenney does away with group oath-taking he will never know who is and who isn't actually verbalizing the oath...just another knee-jerk ideological attack.

Mike Tenszen
said

This federal government decision sounds fair and reasonable to me. But I await the outrage that will certainly spew from religious fanatics and prickly human rights militants. Their limp and ludicrous arguments for allowing masked women to slink about, hide their identities in our free and open and democratic Canada, will provide some entertainment for me--and for all thoughtful Canadians--for weeks on end. Day after day, my respect for this Harper government is rising--somewhat like the lifting of these dark veils of religious oppression.

Foureyes
said

Wow, MargMM, the women in veils are imposing their culture on you? So... are you wearing a veil now too? Jeepers, a lot of you should stop putting yourselves on a pedestal.

Foureyes
said

There's really no need to applaud Kenney or vent about other cultures being here and not respecting Canadian rules. I know someone who wears a veil. These women grew up with this tradition and this is how they have always lived so did not think they are disrespecting Canadian rules. If the government wants them to remove the veil for the oath, they are not going to protest. They are here because they think Canada is great. Most of you are assuming they wear their veil just to spite Canadians who don't wear one, but really, don't give yourselves too much credit. They are just living a life, hoping Canada will give them a better future, just like the rest of us.

SuperConservative.
said

Great. Now let's just make it whites only that get in, eh? And only if they speak English, (fluent). And are only Christian? Right on. Ok maybe some protestants, but just a few. And they have to be conservative minded. No free thinkers. Social safety net for the poor? Handouts for the destitute? Yech! Now were on to something. This will fix things. Go Steve!

George
said

Two little things to mention to those who oppose this ruling: 1) It is NOT a religious requirement. The Quran does NOT require a woman to cover her face (the only reference is that the wives of the Prophet should be veiled from others) 2) There is an adage that the Western world goes by (and since we all are willingly living in a country in the Western world, we should abide by) "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." In other words, if you wish to live in a certain country, try to fit in to their way of life. Here in Canada, that means, no covering of your face in situations when showing it is necessary.

Gregory Wollf
said

Well, they just made everyone who thinks nationalistically very happy. But I know that somewhere there is a group of bleeding heart Liberals who see this as a tragedy that Canada would ever assert its own culture and sees it as a betrayal of some sort of basic human right. To all such individuals I say go cry in a barrel and then call it modern art. Multiculturalism only goes so far and then it becomes irrational.

grumpy ol man
said

Once again..people who want to live in the promise land..Canada...but want to play by the old rules of the country their trying to escape. What nerve!! If you don't like the rules, then stay the hell out of Canada!

Ryan, Guelph
said

I may disagree with a lot of things the cons do, but I support this decision, and hope it goes further. How can the gov't have any sort of confidence that they're dealing with the appropriate person, if they're hiding their face? It's just ridiculous.

BI
said

Yes, definitely remove the veils for the swearing in process - and by the way to all you New Canadians - Merry Christmas from Canada.

Unifier
said

Wow!!! Finally some change!If this is a free country why are these women still oppressed and oppression accepted by Canadians?Accepting their ways is the same as agreeing with the oppression of women and a way of modern day slavery....Don't they emmigrate here to be free? Lets face it....Accepting what is wrong is a sygnal of a false freedom on our part.As inteligent people, we should know the difference between right and wrong and stop tolarating the double standards of backward customs.....If our freedoms are not for you then stay in your home country. Stop trying to change our ways and do not create problems we can do without, so we can spend our tax money on more important issues

Carol
said

Finally! Good first step Mr. Kenney now can you please make it a total ban altogether.

Merry Christmas to you Mr. Kenney,all Conservatives MPs and also all Canadians!

Crackerman
said

This is a good step in the right direction that should have been taken years ago --- All you bleeding heart Fiberals and NDP socialists are completely wrong on this issue and many, many other issues when it comes to immigrants and immigration --- Call it racist or whatever you like but this is the only way we will gain back any respect from the idiotic decisions made in the last few decades by politicians that were and are happy to let people from other nations walk all over us --- We need to go much farther in our policies than this when it comes to immigration !

Chris, Alberta
said

I completely agree with this move, however I do not agree with swearing an oath of allegiance to a non-Canadian, foreign, unelected, herditary, unrepresentative, unaccountable Head-of-State. We are supposed to be a democracy. So if we are going to start standing on principles let's adopt an oath of allegiance to our nation, our people and our laws and let's start electing a Canadian citizen as the Head-of-State........otherwise its a farce anyway and everyone should hide their faces in shame if for no other reason.

Fozia
said

I am surprised and shocked if ever I knew that this type of rules you I will be facing in Canada I might have not migerated to Canada manymany years ago. I cam here because I Like the charter of human rights and I am very proud about the Canadain charter of human right.

What about taking oath with half nacked dresses ? is bible allowing that? did any body questioned about it?

Every body is free in this country so its my choice if I wear short or niqab.

Frank Buchan
said

It's a reasonable decision, within the bounds of tolerance and rendered not from some anti-veil stance, rather from a stance that says you have to be identifiable when you proclaim your new citizenship.But to those "ban the veil" folks, let it go. That attitude may be racist, I don't know; but whether it is or not, it is clearly stupid. When the wind chill in this country is -40 and dropping lower, people wear balaclavas. A veil isn't much different technically, and once you start down a path that dictates you can't wear one, we'll all be hard pressed to explain why that decision makes sense because it just doesn't.

BI
said

Congratulations to Mr. Kenney. Yes they should have to remove their veils for the swearing the oath. If joining the RCMP, they should wear the hat and not the turban; they should not carry knives, ceremonial or not. We are Canadians - this is our Country and if you want to join us, you should conform to Canadian ways of life - sorry or otherwise do not move to Canada.

kenlee
said

Thank you Sir !
This is call " CANADA LAW AND ORDER

Rick W in BC
said

This seem to me to be a fair logical rule and for once makes sense. This is one of the requirements to become a Canadian Citizen, if you don;t want to remove the veil and show your face when taking the oath then you do not want to be a Canadian Citizen. I agree with the ministewr that this has nothing to with religeous intolerance or racism, if the face cannot be covered when doing the Hajj in Mecca then they can do it here for their oath. At least he is not saying that if you no longer want to be a Canadian Citizen you have to leave the country.

Ryan
said

It's about time....this move is just common sense-nothing more and nothing less.

Vanc Guy
said

If everyone has to do it - it's not discrimination. Thank goodness we are free of the liberal maroons or this would have gone the other way.

Shoeman1975
said

FINALLY!!!A decision to stand-up for CANADA!!!Enough of us bowing to immigrants, and bending over backwards trying to 'please' them.You came to Canada. Abide by OUR rules, or get the hellout...

Debbie
said

Ali - you are right and wrong. Even the women from these third world countries have freedoms here - freedom to be individuals and comply with our laws. You are wrong that the veil has anything to do with religion. It is solely imposed by misogyistic men to keep their property (female relatives) under control. Ali, you are not in charge of your women in this country - they are free to be individuals protected by our laws from your type.

AW
said

Great Move!! Good points here... especially ...Where ARE women on WOMEN'S RIGHT on these second class face covering actions!! Everyone seems to jump over one weirdo who runs a commune with several wives, but hundreds of thousands of women being treated as property and as non-persons??? COME ON WOMEN... WAKE UP HERE and start voicing your support for ALL women.

A muslim Canadain Women
said

If this is the case then what should we call the charter of human rights and freedom. you are denieyng it if we were know that Canada has no charter of human right and freedom we would have not chose Canada as our home country.

I am a free Canadain women its my choice to cover my face. I dont want to open itinfront of any man then you should have seperate cermoney for women if not then dont be proud that you are in federal goverment I pray to God to not give power to people like you any where in this world.

ChrisM
said

Kenney will be Prime Minister one day. Bravo for another common sense position.

Mike in Pembroke
said

Ali, I disagree with you. If a person has their face covered then no one knows just who is taking the oath of Canadian citizenship. But you are right this is not Afganistanthen it is Canada and in Canada, Canadians do not run around with their face covered all the time. In this country women are treated as equals not property thus they do not have to cover their faces.

Mar
said

I don't understand the comments saying this is racist. They are not forcing these women to not cover their face in their regular life, just a ceremony of citizenship. Plus, simple solution, don't get citizenship, stay a landed immigrant or whatever you are for the rest of your life if the citizenship ceremony requirements bother you. Citizenship is not a right of immigrants, it is a privilege and to obtain it you must meet certain requirements. Don't want to follow the rules, then don't bother getting citizenship. People do not understand what racism is anymore, they throw around the world to condemn those with different opinions rather than realizing what true racism really is. Good job of the government to make this decision, we have been changing our ways too long to satisfy minorities who just yell louder or under the guise of multiculturalism.

terry dunford
said

i certainly agree with the government on this issue.We live in an open society and people should not hide their faces in public. It is downgrading women in this country and should not be tolerated byour society.

MARG MM
said

Long overdue. There is no way that anyone should take an oath to become a Canadian citizen while their face is covered. Since there is no religious reason for wearing the "veil" it should be outlawed in other instances as well. No one is disputing keeping your culture when living here, but do not impose it on others by trying to change ours. All Government offices should be able to ban the use of face covering veils without feeling that they are being racist. If any one else went to take an oath of citizenship, get a passport, a driver's license or enter a bank wearing a mask, we would likely be arrested. Merry Christmas to all.

stephane dubois
said

Hurray Canada! Very happy with decision.

Aziz
said

ali: - Yes you are right, this isn't Afghanistan, nor is it Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, et al... and this ruling is one of the reason's why.

Indy11
said

Les I agree with you 100%. You must comply with the laws and respect the traditions of the country you are chosing to join. If you are not willing to do this, you may as well stay in your country of origin.

Colin
said

When you look at what country these women have immigrated from, these women should be so grateful to be allowed to enter this country and all they have to do is show their face while they swear an oath that probably only takes 5 minutes. For free speech and the right to vote it seems like a pretty good deal to me.When in Rome....

Howard in Brampton
said

Wow, there's a lot of strong emotions stirred up by this issue. And that is exactly where the immigration and religious tolerance issues lay. Logically, since the strength of emotions, and feelings are contemporary for the most part, they appropriately account for very little if anything, as pertains to legal matters, such as testifying before the courts and the giving of oaths. The laws of Canada, and the rules of the courts properly have superiority over cultural/religious beliefs and practices.

Brian
said

Good on the Minister!Why aren't womens equality groups screaming about these women being forced to wear viels and be 2nd class people? Finally, if you don't like our laws then don't come here in the first place.

J
said

I agree with the move as it does make sense.
However I'm surprised by aggressiveness in the comments about "be 100% Canadian etc...". Canada is a country of immigrants. Sure, we can be Canadian but we can also be British, Scottish, German etc... at the same time. Dual nationalities is very common in this country.

People should understand that there is a difference between nationality and culture. We can all be Canadians but our cultures can be different.

Debbie
said

They should not be permitted to wear those symbols of oppression anywhere in this country. If they wish to be "invisible" then they should be treated as such and denied service in hospitals, restaurants, etc. and not be permitted to even enter a bank dressed in those ridiculous, medieval clothes. They want to be treated with respect and enjoy our freedoms and yet they don't treat themselves with respect of freedom.

ali
said

people should be allowed to have their faces covered when they ate taking the oath of citizenship .this is not .afganistan . people should have rights. the government is discrimating against relegious freedom.

That guy
said

Why stop there?

Patricia
said

Agree completely with this ruling. Their faces should also be shown for Passports, Drivers Licences, etc - as is the requirement for all Canadians.

Zoe
said

I fully support this!! Thank you Mr. Kenney for showing the values of what it is to become a Canadian Citizen. If we were to go to their country, we would have to adapt to their ways, only fair they grant us the same curtesy.

Sherry
said

People - this is NOT Religion - this is how those in power in countries that are mostly Islamic see how things should be - from THEIR point of view. And if people do not like it - they are attacked. When these women are born into this and brought up with this - it is in their heads as what they should do. Not one of these women in their own country would dare not wear these things, these veils - their husbands would beat them - or their fathers - or the people in their villages! They are here now, they must at least take on some of our ways TOO - if they wish to live here! In fact regards the woman in question with the Supreme court - she took off the veil for her drivers license with no complaints....

Gerald
said

Here we go with the Muslim bashing again... A little worn out on the Native bashing are we ?

David in Dartmouth
said

A no brainer here..!!! Welcome to Canada....!!! Here we do not summarily execute others in this country for believing in an alternate faith.. That is called homicide....Abide by our laws and customs, and please make this your home....otherwise you are free to leave for somewhere else on the next plane..

Lulu
said

I would just like to say to those who keep smirkly wishing me a "Merry Xmas" (instead of Christmas), that when their event comes along I will in turn wish them a Merry X-madan or Merry X-annukah.

Les
said

@Liberal/NDP. It's not an attack on their religion. It is part of their cultural practices. Did you never hear about women from the US armed forces getting in trouble in the Middle East because they stepped off the base without covering up with the Niquab? That was a few years ago but a BIG DEAL was made over that. So, my question to you is, if we're expected to abide by their practices in their countries, why shouldn't they have to do the same thing here?? The government is only asking that they be able to see people's faces during a citizenship ceremony, when they are being given the privledge of becoming a citizen of THIS country. As a previous poster stated, no where in their bible does it state that women are required to to cover their hair and their face. I am a fourth generation Canadian. My great grandparents immigrated from England, France, Ireland and Scotland. Plus, there's Iroquois and Metis in my family as well. I am a PROUD Canadian and I enjoy learning about different cultures. If I'm classified as a "redneck" then so be it! Just because I think that people of different backgrounds should respect our culture and beliefs, that does not make me a racist!! But if you're SO ashamed to be a Canadian right now, well, there's the door. Don't let it hit you in the A#* on the way out!

Dave in Edm
said

Interestingly enough, the CTV has once again not posted my comment for no reason other than it was against this decision as it makes no real difference other than alienating someones religion. As stated before, I agree with the decision in regards to identification, but why are peoples religious freedoms being trampled for an 'oath', you don't need to see a persons lip moving during an oath, you just need to hear it... For you folks spouting about the majority rules, remember that Germany took away the rights of the Jews in the 30's and the majority agreed with those decisions, I think we can all agree that even though the majority wanted something doesn't mean they are right!!! Anyway, I suspect this won't be posted because it will bring actual honest debate to this decision and not just a bumper sticker slogan praising our savoir Harper...

aziz aziz
said

it is dumb to even waste time making such policy.. How many women wear this cover in Canada???? Barely one thousand, how many of them go through the citizenship oath? barely ten or 20 a year.. Kenny is just a racist serving a racist government.. I don't support women wearing face cover BTW.

John Elkin
said

Thank GOD for Jason Kennedy.

Len
said

Individual Human Rights should NEVER supercede the collective good (safety) of the general populace. This is a commonly accepted principal of all democratic societies throughout the ages. To refute this principal using the argument that such a ban is "intolerant of individual human rights" is at best naive and at worst dangerous.

Peter
said

Here, here!

carosse
said

This veil should be banned in Canada. If you want to wear a veil, wear it in your country or in your private home. Not in the public.

Neilson
said

It is not "racist" to ask someone to show their face. If someone will not do this on religious grounds they should take comfort in the knowledge they will be going to heaven after living out their days where this practice is acceptable.

norm
said

To Liberal/NDP:

As with the initiative, these comments are NOT against immigrants. We as a multi-cultural society accept to co-exist and accept your customs/practices, but the idea of North Americans losing their traditions, customs, etc.... is pure ludicrous and selfish on your part. The enforcement of such things that clearly have an impact on OUR safety and security(including you and your family) is long overdue. You should never have been able to hide your identity at certain times

sOOOO MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

J Lanctot
said

Finally! Someone is edging in to the "come to our
country and become one of our citizens" instead of
Canada standing back and changing all the fabulous
characteristics that make us the nation we are. If you are not willing to adapt, please stay home.

Rob in North Bay
said

Bravo Minister Kenny! Now extend the rule to voting, driving licences, passport photos and any place a positive ID is required.

one proud Canadian
said

It is not unreasonable to be expected to uncover one's face when undergoing an oath of citizenship to become a Canadian. However, let's remember, Canada is a "vertical Mosaic" not a 'melting pot' as some of the comments here suggest. Let's not forget what Canada is all about.

Mark
said

Awesome!

Gorg
said

I fully support Immigration Minister Kenney's ruling in the banning of the niqab or burqa when taking an oath of citizenship. Without question, this should be accepted by the courts and the provinces. I believe the vast majority of Canadians feel the same way. Therefore majority rules.

christine glassford
said

its about time, veils should be banned in all public spaces. Come to Canada and enjoy our freedoms as we are. If you font like our customs and beliefs leave! or don't come here in the first place. We have become too politically correct and flexible.

T.BC
said

Good about time long over due

Rick
said

Jason Kenney for Prime Minister.

Bruce
said

Hey, Liberal/NDP, the rest of us are merely taking a stand. This stand should have started years ago. This is a comment board, we're merely expressing our comments.......We need to stand up to the muslims. Look what's happened in England. We need to be strong and keep a strong CANADA!Merry Christmas to all!

DC
said

In any democracy the majority should be heard. Do away with the sensless political correctness infecting our country and stop pandering to all the minority. I agree change and evolution of a society is good, but not under the guise of foreign culture and religion. These are catch words for oppresion and injustice in too many areas of the world.

Doug ^^^ BC
said

BRAVO Minister Jason Kenney!! This is long overdue.Now all we can do is pray that the SCOC gets it right.Otherwise,the people we ELECTED will once again be over ruled by the people that were APPOINTED by government.I believe that the vast majority of Candians will see this as a good thing. Now apply the same principle to all the other government agencies.Drivers licenses should be high on that list.When people are convicted of bad driving,people always say "driving is a priviledge,not a right".But when it comes to cases like this,a minority steps up to say :"it is my right to wear a burka or a niqab while I am driving".Both of those statements cannot be true, in my opinion. In court,the accused has always had the right to face his/her accuser.Burkas and niqabs take away that right.That must change too. I sincerely hope we can transition to a day when these garments are obsolete relics from the past.And what I really pray for,is that we can make this transition without violence and without a multitude of very expensive court proceedings. It's 21st century Canada,my friends.For a free society to continue,it is vital that we all be proud of who we are.Being identifiable is a big part of sending that message.I apply that same principle to protestors who were disguises and face coverings..Why are you hiding if your cause is just? You should be proud of who you are,and take ownership of what you stand for. If you can not be identified by all,your voice means nothing to me.It might as well be an anonymous posting on the internet.Credibility is missing when you can't identify the speaker.

Sylvia
said

If you respect our country, "CANADA" then show us that you do !!

If Canadians went to live in your country, I'm very sure that we would have to adopt your customs or risk having stones thrown at our heads .. right?

In Canada, we don't use stones, but we encourage you to adopt our ways as new Canadians...

Larry
said

I sincerely hope that this is the beginning of what should happen in Canada. This our country and if you wish to start a life in Canada then obey and live by our rules whether it is religious or not.I am fed up with people coming to Canada and immediately start to force their way of life on us, expecting us to change. If you don't like it, don't come.Stay home. I am tired of this. It has the same feelings as those wishing to join the police service. Turbans were not part of the uniform when they applied, and they knew so what do they do, they change the rules, forcing their beliefs on us.We need to stop this from happening and if the politicians don't want to help then we need to organize to stop this through the courts. I for one am fed up with having to accept their changes. Again, if you don't like it here then don't come here or go home.

Terrence R. Hanna
said

Does this new requirement apply to full bearded men including Sikh's ?

Bill
said

Yes, it's not often that I side with Jason Kenney but I'm with him on this one. I welcome any race of people to Canada but all would be immigrants need to realize that there will be cultural concessions to make. If someone feels it is unfair to adhere to Canadian standards and expectations then they are not obliged to come here. We are much much too accomodating in this country.

Norm
said

WE ADOPT, YOU ADAPT - gotta love that slogan!!!

John: Yes I'm cwertain too, that the Gov't swore in people who weren't confirmed to be who they said they were... just reiterates how lax Canadian Security is.

It's about time, it's about place, there's times we need to see your face!

W
said

Great first step! All interaction with the government should be done without face coverings. The citizen and the public servant should be required to have their faces visible. Similarly, face coverings should not be allowed in schools, hospitals, or while driving.

Riley
said

Great to hear!

Mark
said

Finally, a government with a backbone! This should also apply to obtaining a DL, passport, etc.

joe canada
said

Bravo!!!! I like it!!!

Barbara
said

This is Canada...anytime we allow someone to immigrate to OUR country they should have to adhere to our rules and regulations...no exceptions,plain and simple.Thankfully, someone is standing up for our rights as Canadians for a change...we are too complacent as a population in allowing OUR Canadian rights to be trampled on by those with big voices who find make the most noise...it has to stop before our customs and religous traditions we have peacefully lived with for centuries start to disappear because of the arrival of some new religious factions that do not approve.Maybe they should stay in their countries,they are allowed into ours to relish the freedom we offer our citizens,not systematically plot to take our freedom away...We are a peaceful country, and we need to ensure we do not allow the wrong people in to affect our way of life to protect our future generations...so,yes...women should have to show there faces while being sworn in like the rest of the people being sworn in.

KJ in Calgary
said

As it should be...this is Canada and we have traditions, history and our own laws that must be respected by all whether born here or immigrating here.

mike
said

They should also do away with dual citizenship. This will help when they decide to go back to their country of origin when they start to collect old age and other government handouts.If they truly wish to be Canadian then they should only carry a Canadian passport.This way they would hopefully stay in Canada and contribute to our tax base.

Anne
said

Bravo. Congratulations on common sense legislation. Wow, I'm feeling better about this government every day. Anyone trying to drag up the infamous Charter had better zip it as well - our country, our rules and we get to see the face of the person wanting citizenship.

Granny used to say ...
said

If you should show your face in this application then that also applies to most which justifies eliminating all hidden profiles from society. As my grandmother used to say "If your face is your fortune, then good luck".

Gordon
said

Its long overdue. Time someone takes a stand. Become a Canadian and act like a Canadian and dress like a Canadian or go back where you came from. If your homeland and beliefs are that important stay there. It must be a better place for you.

Get real
said

Finally, voice of reason!!

Bob
said

Its about time.I agree 100%.

Adrian from the West
said

Good! If some don't like it, then pack your bags and leave back to where you came from.This is Canada, not Canada-stan.Pro Patria.

Tom
said

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat! Long due!

Tom
said

About time :I am a Liberal and I agree with Mr.Kenny. You need not attack other parties . I am sure there will be people who support the Conservatives will be against this decision. Don't beat your chest about this decision when you think others are suppose to be holding your hand in support. Surely others are still entitled to their thoughts .Bruce :I could not agree more with you. Christmas has become a celebration that over the years for those of us who believe and celebrate this occasion has slowly and continues to be taken away from us . I am not against any other peoples beliefs or how they celebrate . But to have Merry Christmas removed and replaced with Happy Holidays is not right. To have trees removed from buildings is not right. For those that claim they are insulted by our beliefs you would be climbing the mountain top ( no not where Jesus was born) to sue if we put the brakes on your beliefs! I can live with both phrases . Does it not make sense to say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ? If people are against what was once a strong Canadian celebration you need not take part. Leave those of us alone and how we do it. What a country we have become. As a born and raised Canadian I am growing tired of having my rights and freedoms being diminished .

fed up
said

This Harper gov. is getting on my nerves, for one thing Harper denies me the right to die with dignity and now he his telling Muslim woman to on-cover there face this man loves to interfere in people lives and he makes me wonder what kind of country I am living in?. I taught democracy was a free society I guess I am dead wrong I live in a dictatorship under this man's jack boot and I hope and prey my heart stops beating soon because the next four years will be pure hell but it does not matter I will not live long enough to see this man being kicked out of power.

A Happy Canadian - Our Canada
said

About time.....thumbs up and THANK YOU!!!!!

Len
said

It's about time! Also, both federally and provincially, no one should be allowed to vote unless their picture matches their face. There can be a female there to verify identity but the right to vote should be included in that ruling. It is important to respect customs and cultural beliefs but the Koran or other holy books do not demand that a woman's face be covered. These are man-made traditions.

Tom G.
said

Sure, this makes sense for an official process. The important thing is that after they are sworn in they can put them back on and practice their religion freely in a multi-faith country. They will also be Canadian citizens. Welcome to Canada!

Guy Moore
said

It's about time,they come to Canada for a better life,freedom from their government's corruption etc.,and that's fine with me but leave the baggage where you came from or stay there.We have our God,our Christmas our way of life as it's been for hundreds of years if you don't like it don't come.We don't go to your country and try to bully you into our way of life or belives,it's time Canadians stood up and demand enough is enough.

Canadian
said

Good. If you want to come to Canada and be a citizen, then you need to understand that this is Canada, and if you really want to be here then you are going to be asked to remove the veil. This is a good move.

Dino Hernandez
said

Bravo. Jason Kenney for prime ministerit's about time. geat news ctv. finally some worthy new. this made my daynow if we can force all imigrants to adapt to OUR culture and here is an idea also they have to learn the language (english or french) and work for a living. yeah? who is with me?

Tom the Canadian
said

Good. Our forefathers created this country with OUR Beliefes. They did not wear veils over their faces (although, some should have, for other reasons). This is Canada, not the Middle East and as most comment here reflect, if you want to run around like it is Halloween, then move back to whence you came.

Bob H fr Petawawa
said

This should have been place right from the start, plain and simple. I agree with the "Prof Pie"

Warren
said

FINALLY -- Its about time someone stood up to this barbaric ritual of covering a woman's face -- now watch all the bleeding hearts and so called defenders of woman start to complain......

Goldens
said

As it should be! People should not be ashamed of becoming Canadian. They should be proud of it!

discobob
said

I think it is about time that the goverment put's new law in this country. If they become Canadian they should respect the laws of Canada and not the laws that they had. If they could not live with it in There country why do you want to bring it here.

John MacDonald
said

This is nothing more than a way to pander to all the bigots in Canada without seeming to be racist. With all the REAL problems facing Canadians, like unemployment, high taxes, government waste and miss-management, we can count on the Harper government to throw crumbs at the bigots in a bid to win support. Was there even a single case of a woman refusing to take off the veil to swear the oath? Of course not. Instead of solving problems we do have, the Harper government prefers to exacerbate problems we don't have.

Sal
said

GOOD FOR THEM! Canada laws - I would not be allowed any face covering if I went into a store to shop. It has been proven over and over again that face covering is NOT religious, it is traditional. So in Canada, try using Canadian LAWS - you might get more respect!

Chris
said

WOW.... who knew that peole could sneak into the country this way. How many people have actually taken advantage of this? It's about time that this is being done.

Jethrine.MacKae
said

Is this the best he can do? Quebec has banned them from wearing their garb in public. What doesn't Mr. Kennedy follow their lead?On top of these refugees looking like total outcasts in their native dress, we (those of us who are born right here on this soil) can't tell if they are men or women under all that fabric and we should not have to put up with them AT ALL. It may surprise most Government Officials but, they do it just to spite us! Well, truly, who cares about white, Christians these days anyway? Not God or anyone else in Canada.Their behaviour is a total disgrace and a slap in the face to all Canadians.

Scott in TO
said

Welcome to Canada, the land of plenty...let the court challenges begin!

Alex
said

Good but not enough. Complete ban, everywhere, all the time. If somebody doesn't like it - Air Canada is short on passengers anyway.

Liberal/NDP
said

I can't believe all the comments on this news story. Canada is becoming more and more intollerant to immigrants under the Conservative government.

We should welcome all people including their choice of religion. This is truly SHAMEFUL the way these comments are against immigrants. I'm ashamed to be a Canadian right now.

Terry
said

Finally, !! welcome to Canada. I am so thrilled at this decision. This is Canada, deal with it od get out !! I respect other cultures, and find some to be quite appealing however, it has been said more than once, when in Rome, do as Romans do. Now all we have to do is take back our wonderful Canadian traditions and culture instead of being second class citizens in our own Country. Good job Feds, it's about time. STAND STRONG AND PROUD AND AS CANADIANS WE CAN TAKE BACK CANADA.

Frank
said

This is only common sense in the 21st centery with all the threats. If the new comers cannot adopt to our customs then we request they look at other countries to call home.

Janie
said

Anything less and our security is nothing more then wishful thinking.

Doug
said

Think men should be able to cover up in all instances too???

Matt in NB
said

This should be the law on a much wider scale. If you don't like it then don't come to our great Country.

Reality
said

So what happens to the ones that took the oath with the veils?

Ted, an Alberta redneck
said

Welcome all narrow minded white racists of European origin to comment on this.Could somebody please tell me what being or acting like a Canadian is? And who the heck made you people the arbiter of what it means to be Canadian? Some of these comments give red-neck a bad name. I just hope that Immigration has the good sense to allow for women-only citizenship ceremonies. If that, then there should be no problem from anyone.

Matt
said

Even though I dislike this government very much, I can honestly say 100% this is an excellent decision by the Harper government. Now its time to ban it across the entire country. Oppression has no place in Canada. Now to restore Merry Christmas and Christmas Trees. Its a good day for this country. Merry Christmas to all!

hwood
said

YAY!!!! 'bout time.

Judy
said

It's about time!!!

Rheal
said

Good. If they don't like it, don't come here.

Andree
said

I'm glad they finally did this, they should ban it altogether like they did in France.

LF
said

This will be probably be censored, but, 'Merry Christmas, everyone."

johny Farrina
said

I searched through the islamic bible several times, and there is no reference to women having to cover their head. What i read is that this is a saudi invention that came with the Salafi movement.

MiggsVer2.0
said

Becoming a Canadian citizen without even showing your face or proof of ID is terrorist heaven.

True Canadian
said

My how the racists are out today. Before stating "behave like Canadians." those posters should do the same. What a useless law and time spent. This country is billions in debt and they are legislating law abiding CANADIANS.

Jen
said

Now we have a government who is doing its job. It should have went a bit further and banned their garb completely.

Raj
said

Good!!

Remarkable
said

I dont' have a problem with that. Does anybody else have a problem with that? I think it's a good idea, if you can't show your face while being sworn in to become a citizen of this country then you don't need to bother becoming a citizen. This is Canada, it was always Canada and will always be Canada.

Toyotabluesue
said

Covering the face during a swearing in to become a Canadian Citizen is an insult to the government and to the people it represents. There will be plenty of Muslims protesting this ruling. Respect and follow the rules we set to make sure the person becoming a citizen is being true to their new country. It is a brief ceremony. Deal with it.

Mike
said

Good!

Canada
said

bravo!!! thumbs up

allam
said

These dehumanizing black tarps should not be permitted to be worn in a free country at all. Time for these people to get out of the middle ages!

Jane Ottawa
said

about time!

Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Bravo. The fact of the matter is that these coverings are not rooted in the Islamic religion, they are rooted in the sociocultural oppression and dominance of women by male Muslims in certain areas of the world, mostly notably the Arabian Peninsula. Canada should not effectively "endorse" this semi-misogynistic custom with formal recognition and acceptance of it within lawful aspects of our society. Wear a burqa or niqab at any other time, if you so wish or choose. You have that freedom. (The left-wing anti-Conservative types who oppose this measure, or like ones, are trapped in their own hypocrisy.)

About time
said

It is about time we actually know who is entering this great country of Canada. Well done Kenney.However, we know in advance, that the Dippers, the lefty Liberals and all the immigration lawyers will soon ne crying ' foul '. Hopefully, the media will remain unbiased on this issue & stick to reporting the News ( not just the malcontants' views).

PVT
said

Very good. People wanting to become CANADIAN citizens should understand that there is an expectation to adhere to CANADIAN principles. If people don't like it, they can stay in their country of origin and forgoe the welfare system they are looking to take advantage of here.

Brandon
said

Not a right-wing voter but this is a good thing done by the Harper Government.

Bruce
said

Thank goodness someone has a backbone! Well done! Now, if we can only get "Merry Christmas" back......

Kevin on PEI
said

I guess the message here is that Muslims are welcome, but don't expect Canada to ever become like Saudi Arabia.

Its about time
said

Its about time people coming to this country accept our values and customs. And he is right how do we know they are taking the oath if we can't see their face. If they have issue with this then don't come to Canada stay where you are. This also goes to our holiday celebrations if you don't like Christmas don't come here.

Jim-Surrey
said

That's a start, now make it at any public place so it doesn't look like we have robbers running around with masked faces from backward societies.After all this is Canada and these are not part of OUR customs.Be Canadian 100% or leave!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob NS
said

Great, the way it should be.Bob NS

Maggie
said

FANTASTIC - finally common sense prevails ~ i think this is great and a first step ! This is Canada .... therefore - as the saying goes - when in Rome... do as the Romans do .. Immigrants have come to this country because it offers frreedom to choose - it offers opportunity - and a better life from whence the immigrant has come therefore - you adapt to our society - we dont adapt to your original cultural or relgious practices ... an the veil is cultural not religious !

Diane
said

Good first step Mr. Minister now finish the job and set women free from this oppression show some LEADERSHIP !!

CANADIAN
said

About time!

Bman from the Peg
said

Good - these folks are in Canada now, not some foreign land where the grass is greener and full of regressive and backward cultural practices.

Carl
said

This is a very sensible and long overdue decision, but it should go further. Everyone should have to show their face whenever they conduct any transaction at all with the government.

Tom
said

Right on! If you want to come to Canada start acting like a Canadian.

Peter
said

Good

Jessica
said

If you don't like it - don't immigrate to Canada.

Robert B
said

Its about time someone took the initiative amongst other things and straighten those people out. This is Canada like it the way it is or feel free to leave

RogerK
said

That's a start and now the provinces have to follow suit and insist on proper pictures of faces on drivers licences and ALL other government photo Id like OHIP cards as well. That will stop a lot of potential cheating.

JOhn
said

Are you telling me the government swore in people without even seeing their faces??

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