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Date: Tue. Dec. 6 2011 3:01 PM ET
TORONTO Ontario's Liberal government says it is not prepared to abandon the sex-ed component of a pending anti-bullying law, despite criticism by some religious leaders Tuesday that it is an affront to traditional family values.
Christian, Jewish and Muslim representatives say they agree school bullies must be stopped, but they can't condone a requirement under the legislation proposed to deal with it that schools promote sexual tolerance through gay clubs.
"To force, especially Christian classrooms or schools, to have homosexual clubs would of course be an affront to their family values," Charles McVety, of the Institute for Canadian Values, told a joint news conference.
"And what does this have to do with bullying? Nothing."
McVety, who led the fight against the Liberals' last attempt to update the province's sex-ed curriculum, says Premier Dalton McGuinty is using the problem of bullying to advance "his radical sex education agenda."
The religious leaders say that agenda is driven by gay activists.
"When you are forcing teachers, Christian teachers, Jewish teachers, Muslim teachers, to teach things that are contrary to the values that they hold, to teach that there are six genders and that you are not attached to the gender of your anatomy, do you not find that that may be an offence to a lot of Ontarians?" asked McVety.
Rabbi Mendel Kaplan of Chabad Flamingo Synagogue in Toronto said he also believes that parts of the anti-bullying bill aimed at making schools inclusive and tolerant of gay lifestyles are offensive to many families.
"This legislation proposes that children be indoctrinated to reject their parents' faith and their parents' family values, and that's an affront," said Kaplan.
"What nobody here in good conscience can support is a law that calls on people of faith to abandon the beliefs that we consider sacred, all in the name of political correctness."
Other religious activists say there will be a mass exodus of kids from public and separate schools if the anti-bullying bill with its sexual accommodation provisions is not amended.
"There's radical, radical stuff in there, all of this agenda on gender identity and facilitating the questioning of a child's gender and all this other sex-driven stuff that's clearly coming from activists," said Jack Fonseca of Campaign Life Catholic.
"It's not coming from parents' consultations. It was drafted with consultations by radical activist groups."
Education Minister Laurel Broten rejected the criticisms expressed by the religious representatives as "homophobic," and said her job was to make sure every child finds school a warm and inviting place, regardless of their sexual orientation or any other factors.
"There's absolutely nothing radical about working hard as a community to make sure that every single student in our schools can be safe and accepted and succeed," said Broten.
McGuinty also defended the legislation during a visit to Windsor, saying all Catholic schools will be required to have a gay-straight alliance, even though they won't have to use that name.
"I fully expect that Catholic kids are going to use the word 'gay,"' said McGuinty.
"I fully expect that Catholic teachers are going to use the word gay, and as a Catholic premier of Ontario I'm going to be talking about gay kids."
Campaign Life Catholic responded by saying McGuinty is not a good Catholic because he supports abortion and same-sex marriages.
"To say that he should be the one who dictates what kind of Catholicism gets taught in a religious school, that's absurd," said Fonseca.
"Dalton McGuinty nor any other person who wears the cultural badge of Catholic, and goes to church in order to look good come election time, they don't have the right to change Catholic teaching."
The New Democrats said the anti-bullying campaign won't be effective if the government is afraid to force Catholic schools to use the name gay-straight alliance for clubs that promote tolerance.
"There's no way a word like gay should be the thing that prevents students from making sure they have the support networks they need in their schools," said NDP Leader Andrea Horwath.
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Anthony
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Victor
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Deb
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I look forward to a time where I won't fear my kids going to school because someone may or may not like them for whatever reason, and violently act on that.
And my heart goes out to the teens who killed themselves because others couldn't tolerate them for who they were. It should never come to that, and we should be ashamed that it has.
Shan SK
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JP
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paul
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stophate
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2. There are more than 2 genders.
3. They aren't 'gay clubs' they are gay STRAIGHT alliances. You are blind if you don't see the word Straight
4. Bullying to gay kids or kids perceived as gay get way more bullying than any other people. I am in high school and I would know. I see my gay friends get bullied everyday, I am straight and I never get bullied. They get bullied by narrow minded people like you, who thinks homosexuality is a problem
5. Watch the movie Prayers for Bobby and understand a bit more about life
6. This bill is not getting pushed by only gay people their is a lot of straight people who are care about others and want to end discrimination
7. Don't be so selfish! Put yourself in someone else's shoes. I don't think you realize how hard it is for a gay high school student who is born to extremely narrow minded religious people.
8. Sexuality and gender identity should be taught to children at a young age. If they realize they are gay but have extremely homophobic parents it's going to be super hard for them.
10. To the teachers who don't want to teach this material, their are plenty of university graduates, who are extremely accepting waiting to get a job. I can guarantee that a student would prefer a caring teaching over a not caring teacher.
11. Why do so many people consider homosexuality such a horrible sin when sins that you choose that are just as bad aren't, god made them gay, I would say 1000 more things but my comment is can only be a certain number of words.
I REALLY appreciate what Dalton McGuinty does for todays youth
Thanks,
A STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN YOUTH
Nik Orleans
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Yvonne Campbell
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Larry
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Michelle
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Andrea
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6 genders is not technically correct but an ignorant understanding of the fluidity of gender. There are not '2' genders but rather multiple in existence.
Bullying includes sexual orientation and gender identity, which means that teaching tolerance is important. I may not agree with Christian or Muslim belief systems, but that doesn't mean I'm going to bully them and say they are wrong.I accept their difference and respect it. That's what the anti-bullying legislation is really about, and it should include gender and sexual orientation and identity.
The point of this legislation is to promote tolerance and cultural awareness whether you personally agree or disagree. So as well as with a PROPER sex ed, we should also include courses that teach cultural understanding of different religions and beliefs, and cultural understandings of different cultures. That way, you teach a generation of children that even with their religious beliefs, its wrong to harm someone else because they are different.
This isn't to uproot your beliefs, its just to teach respect and tolerance. Acceptance is much better than tolerance, but failing acceptance tolerance is the next step. In an ideal world, everyone would get along despite differences in cultures.
SOL
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...I beg you to apply your own preaching to yourself! -->
Are you loving your neighbour when you enforce your own beliefs on their religious faith!? If it is a Catholic/Jewish/Muslim school, let it be a Catholic/Jewish/Muslim school! If you want to apply this to any other non-faith-based school, that is your choice, but it is a contradiction when the government does not want any mention of religious teaching in public schools, yet it imposes its own "beliefs" within faith-based schools! Don't impose your "loose religious/non-religious" values on others!!
paul
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Trish K
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Meaghan Edwards
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Gypsy
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Just last week, a beautiful, intelligent young lady took her own life because others were jealous of her and bullied her. I was bullied as a child because my face was paralyzed. My son was bullied because he didn't wear jeans and because he was so good looking.
kiris
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Ian
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Obviously, what the liberals propose has nothing to do with bullying.
jim from ottawa
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n
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(That was sarcasm for any of you numbskulls too thick to get it ;])
PA OTTAWA
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May the teaching of the God of Love that you beleive in or the values that you abide by may be our guide for tomorrow
deedee2929
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Sidrah
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Trueman
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P.S. There are 6 different genders? Seriously? I thought there were only 2. I guess I learn something new everyday.
Christopher
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Phil
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To force this nonsense on faith groups is a violation of the constitution and charter rights of educators, clergy, students, and congregations.
ottawatransguy
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Jessica
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If the school doesn't want to introduce this specific club, then maybe they should create "a safe room", much like how my high school had as well. It's a place to go where there is tolerance and anyone is accepted without judgement. Why can't the religious schools use that idea instead? A safe room can be open to those students who aren't ready to come out as gay, but it's also good for those who are bullied for how they look, their grades, their likes, etc.
There's a common ground here, whether it's for gay or straight students, and it's to stop bullying. Why can't everyone just agree that any step towards ending bullying is a good one?
G. Thomson
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What's that, It would cost too much to do it on your own? Then shut up and accept it. Bigots deserve the same consideration as bullies. ie: I think they should lock all your disgusting butts up for preaching bigotry and hatred against an identifiable minority. It is only because you have the protection of "religious views' that you can say as much as you do, without getting arrested for preaching hatred. I spit on your shoes.
Aliza
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Ken_M
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Eric Bird
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Marie-Josée Leduc-Labre
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TO ALL THOSE BLINDED RELIGIOUS GROUP:
REAL RELIGION IS BASED ON LOVE AND ACCEPTS OF DIFFERENCE.
OTHER FALSE RELIGIOUS BELIEF ARE MAN MADE AND BY PEOPLE THAT FEAR THE DIFFERENCE OF OTHER,
steve
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Panther
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Mike NB
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Kaitlin
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I don't exactly know what all 6 are, but creating a larger scale of 6 is allowing the categorization to be more accepting of everyone, while still making the dominant discourse in society happy by naming and categorizing. (Heaven forbid we don't know what to label people as!!!) But don't be fooled - a scale is still a scale - although this is a much more accepting one.
Max
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MMZ
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Ignorance Abounds
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Franky Edder
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In all the religious indignation, one should understand the that the whole law and the prophets rest on one thing. Love your neighbor as yourself. How hard is that to understand?
Alex
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Canadian Bob
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Canadian Bob
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John, Kitchener
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Those opposed to this Bullying legislation seem to be in the minority of posters to this blog. However, isn’t Canada’s legal system supposed to look out of the rights of minorities?
The same legal system that upheld the expansion of rights to homosexual persons in Canada has an obligation to equally, and as vigorously, defend the position of those opposed to it.
I also cannot help but notice that this blog is laced with “bullying” type language (from both sides of the argument). What kind of example is that?
Al-Ottawa
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Mr. McGuinty can attend church all he likes, but that won't save him from the wrath of the electorate if he continues to propose an anti-bullying law that also forces religious groups to accept values which are diametrically opposed to their belief structures. Acceptance of others is part of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic creed; but forcing those cultures to embrace some humanistic and non-religious value is bound to start legal skirmishes that can only deplete the public purse (legal costs) and hurt the anti-bullying cause.
Funny how Premier McGuinty never stood up to speak against bullying before, even though it has been a notable issue in public schools for some time now. Perhaps his attempt to make political hay on the back of grieving parents (of teen suicides) needs to be viewed for the crass action which it is.
Doug
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We need to expand the definition of child abuse and ask Dalton and possibly his union masters who is really behind this and why we should not want to them put in jail.
SDCinNS
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Our reading, writing and math scores are falling behind the rest of the world. Is it any wonder? Their days are spent on this crap.
Donald from Kingston
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reidjr
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There is a very big difference between people going to church etc and saying relgion should be permitted in school is a very slippery slope it would not longer be a typical school.
Corrupt leaders do corrupt things
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Christa
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Diane
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Lynn
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Larry
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Give me a break
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Jay-TO
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Hey, it works for the federal conservatives. It works provincially too I'm sure and for liberals too, right?
graham
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MommaHanna
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listentoyouth
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If you are in not in favor of allowing the inclusion of a holistic sexual education curriculum, or GLBT support clubs, you are ignorant to the reality of school bullying.
Ps. Telling kids not to be homophobic will not make them gay. IT'S NOT CONTAGIOUS! and asking all people, regardless of religious practice, to respect one another is about dignity and acceptance, not conversion or rebellion.
Ken_M
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McVety has a history of misrepresenting the facts when he launches these ignorant tirades. This legislation simply provides the tools necessary to promote tolerance of kids who are "different". Nobody can predict whether or not it will be successful, but it definitely won't be if homophobes like McVety are allowed to bully their way into the debate.
Parallax Abstraction
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Keep YOUR religious nonsense out of OUR schools.
Daryl
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Sam C
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Annie
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+1
Len
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ouifyg
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Illidan B
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And I'd like to reinforce something Steve T said...
"And if they allow students of colour into the school system, that's the end, isn't it.
I've always said...religion suffers the ultimate principal/agent problem. "
Good show, sir!
Katelynn
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Religion is part of what people are, you can not take that away.
Gerard
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Just Saying - Ottawa
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Rob in the north
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This plan by the liberals is going to segregate alot of people whether they are young or old......and why even think about that.
Tim, Halifax
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I Agree with others. Everybody type of people still gets bullied, not just the GLBT section of society. By the way, I have several respectful gay, and lesbian friends.
Brandon Lake
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Bob
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Wayne
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Mr Bun
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Jaid in Toronto
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DON
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ted
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Rev in VC
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jon
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from most of the comments on here it sounds like this stuff is being forced down kids throats, it's not, it's just teaching them that other types of people in the word exist.. think "world religions class". the more children understand, the less likely they are to pick on the "weirdo" or the odd one out.
unimpressed
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Is one of them post-Catholic hypocrite politician?
Forget about Heather having two mommies: poor little Heather is trying to figure out what the other four genders are.
Its his gay cabinet ministers pushing for this. Anti-bullying clubs that don't highlight one set of victims above all others isn't good enough for these gay proslytizers.
Memo to Ontario bishops: would someone just step up and excommunicate this fraud and other anti-Catholic/post-Catholic frauds like McGuilty?
Wednesday
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This bill doesn't say that schools have to teach kids anything. THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS PROTESTING THIS BILL says that it does. However, I wouldn't trust them because, you know, they're religious groups that are trying to demonize this bill.
And schools won't be required to start Gay-Straight Alliances unless students ask that one be started. GSAs are just like any other club - they're open to anyone who is interested in participating (regardless of sexual orientation). Similarly, any student that DOESN'T want to participate in a GSA doesn't have to. And evidence shows that schools that have GSAs have more inclusive environments and ALL STUDENTS, not just those who identify as LGBTQ, benefit from that.
Also, there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex refers to your physical parts, which can be male, female, or intersex (which means that your parts can't be clearly identified as being either female or male). Gender refers to how you identify. You can identify as male or female, but sometimes it isn't as cut and dry as that - hence there being other genders. And gender identity has nothing do with sexual orientation - gay and lesbian AREN'T gender identities, they're sexual orientations.
I don't agree with a lot of things that McGuinty does, but this bill is just common sense and is WAY overdue.
Rev in VC
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Vancouver Maria
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PapaJ
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RR
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one for all, all for one
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Jack - AB
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Peace_for_All
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Drew
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joe
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Jack - AB
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rightful canadian
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In Awe
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Steve_S
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Brampton Russ
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CMQ
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CanadianDave
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The very values that built this country are ever quickly being stripped away.
The leaders of our province, and our country are making terrible decisions that we as the people have to 'accept'. When did our system of government change to the people have to swallow what the government wants? Thought it was the other way around.
Merry Christmas everyone!
GHW
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Sean in Edmonton
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Now to respond to Mark Vancouver: Separation of church and state is an American idea, and there is no law or regulation in Canada regarding said separation. There isn't even a law in the U.S. There is only a Supreme Court precedent backing up an idea from the framers of the U.S. Constitution, about the separation of church and state. And that ideal was to keep the STATE out of the Church, not the other way around.
Rog (Toronto)
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Kevin on PEI
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Andrea
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drb
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E
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So no, there aren't only two genders anymore. But I can only count 3 or 4....not sure where they got 6 from.
Religion has no place in schools, and anyone whose faith is supposed to be about love and kindness needs to ask themselves why they have a problem with the government promoting acceptance. Children are dying, why would you oppose a method to stop that? That's just sick.
I may hate McGuinty, but good on the government this time.
Steve in Vancouver
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Phil
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Craig from NS
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Elinor
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Sam
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And last time I checked, we had 2 genders, maybe I missed the memo.
Anti-bullying has nothing to do with religion, or sexuality, it's about keeping our children safe!
Dex
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Ryan
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How many more kids have to die? Bullying is not a political issue.
When I walk to school every day terrified to make that last step inside the building - I am not thinking about politics and religious equality. Most definitely I am not thinking, "hey let's have a gay club!" I am thinking, "is today the day I finally leave this horrible world?" and "I hate myself so much I can't wait to die".
You people just don't get it. All you do is bully each other in the "adult world". Shame on you all.
I hope each and every one of you "grown ups" never have to go through what so many kids, myself included, have to go through. But perhaps if you experienced a small dose of the wrath of hate, you just might care a little bit more about your fellow humans.
We need brave people to help us. Not politicians and religious communities worried about votes and $$$.
Just by typing this I feel like I have scored a victory over them. And just by being alive today I have already won the game...
But then I remember that for someone out there, the game has just begun. Someone right now is getting bullied and wants to die so very badly.
Please hang in there, some day we will help you... just not today because we don't want to upset the order of things.
This comment was way too long and likely won't be posted. But I am strong now and will try anyway. Screw you, bullies!
Melissa North
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Charles
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Lets get on with teaching our kids values , history , math , and English .
Social Studies Teacher
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Rob
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Welcome to the real world guys... And remember, Jesus was never married... In fact, he kicked it with 12 other guys....
Just saying !!!
Phil
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Tom
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Winston
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Treat others with respect no matter who/what they are, that should be the message. You don't have to go into the details of gender types to teach anti-bullying. What is this world coming to?
Rob
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RGO in Montreal
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g
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All religions need to take a step back and stop taking archaic written word so literally.
When the children of those against the bill kill themselves because of constant bullying -- sexual orientation related or not -- they won't be all high and mighty.
Ash A
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David
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Social engineering
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Redfern
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Paul
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Amar H
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Mark Vancouver
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Char - BC
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Steve T
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I've always said...religion suffers the ultimate principal/agent problem.
Don MB
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Bruce Fast
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Canadian_beaver
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Bill In Calgary
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