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Date: Wed. Sep. 28 2011 8:20 AM ET

OTTAWA — The federal government could save billions of dollars if it tackled the roots of poverty, says a new report from a government advisory body.

The report from the National Council of Welfare urges the governing Tories to take a long-term "investment" approach to preventing poverty, rather than a short-term program spending approach.

It says the public cost of poverty is easily $25 billion a year, and climbing -- all while the poverty rate does not improve.

"The costs and consequences of poverty are much larger than direct spending on social programs. We see the total costs when indirect and societal costs are taken into account," the report says.

The council has been able to look at the cost of poverty in a way that federal departments can't, said Conservative Senator Hugh Segal, who has long been involved in poverty eradication.

Federal departments analyze poverty programs with a simple cost-benefit analysis, while the council report is able to look at "the cost of inertia, the cost of not doing anything," Segal said.

But the new report uses hard numbers to link poverty to the cost of productivity, health care and the justice system, he added.

"It's a very good way to encourage public debate and discussion."

The long-term preventive approach would eventually save taxpayers significant amounts in emergency health care, prisons, shelters and other social services that are used in floundering attempts to keep poverty under wraps, the report says.

There's a catch. Overhauling social supports would require up-front funding.

"An investment model is geared towards the longer term," says the report titled "The Dollars and Sense of Solving Poverty." "It may require larger initial resources and may take time, but there will be a far greater and more permanent pay-off."

While many an anti-poverty advocate has argued that reducing poverty would also reduce health-care costs, the council's report documents case after case of communities saving money by changing their approach.

A homeless person in Calgary, for example, can run up $42,000 a year in costs at emergency shelters. Putting that person in a prison or psychiatric hospital would cost about $120,000. But giving that person access to supportive housing and social services would cost between $13,000 and $18,000, the report says.

Similarly, about 20 per cent of health-care spending in Canada is attributed to socio-economic factors such as income, the report says, citing research from the Public Health Agency of Canada.

"Canadians are paying the most in the least productive areas, trying to fix costly problems linked to inequality, insecurity and poverty that are preventable," the report states.

The council recognizes there is a general public concern that spending money on the poor would come at a cost to other people and services.

But it argues that poverty reduction benefits society at large, and not just the poor.

Pressure on hospitals would be alleviated. The Canadian population would have higher levels of literacy and numeracy, benefiting the economy. And a healthier workforce would dramatically reduce companies' costs of absenteeism.

The council, tasked with advising the federal government on dealing with poverty, says Ottawa should start by setting out a long-term vision that identifies needed resources and sets up a way to measure success.

The recommendations are similar to those put forward by Canada Without Poverty. In its pre-budget submission, the national activists' group urges the federal government to set firm targets and timelines to reduce poverty, and work with all levels of government to that end.

Both groups warn that dealing with poverty is a far more efficient way to reduce crime than passing tough crime legislation that would hit the poor hard.

"People who face poverty combined with other factors such as addiction, mental illness and discrimination, and who are mixed with those inclined to inflict evil on these victims, equals crime," the pre-budget submission states.

But the federal government has repeatedly resisted calls for a national anti-poverty strategy, saying such issues are better dealt with by local and provincial levels of government.

And, indeed, most provincial governments are seized with designing new, long-term anti-poverty strategies. But they also argue that they have neither the scope nor the money to do it alone.

"It is still a hard sell. Poverty is a hard sell. It shouldn't be, because it costs everybody," said Liberal Senator Art Eggleton, who led a massive study on poverty two years ago, only to see it dismissed by the federal Tories.

"Our future prosperity may well depend on how we address our current level of poverty. I quite simply don't believe we can afford poverty any more."

Human Resources Minister Diane Finley will be less likely to ignore this anti-poverty report than others, added Segal. That's because it comes from a group of advisers chosen by the government for their apolitical work in the field.

"It should have greater impact."

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Point of interest
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Poverty can be created with the stoke of a pen. Famine can be created with the stoke of a pen and a bit of planning and has been in the past. In the old USSR around 1933 a couple of years before WWII about 7 million people were exterminated by a man made famine. After WWII approximately 5 million were exterminated by a man made famine compliments of the US and Britain. One has to wonder who created the Famine's in Africa. Why would they do that. Well how many from EU the US or even Canada have go in and taken their resources. Mines, forestry etc it's a very long list. Just the other day it was reported that a UK firm now has access to land that 20,000 African farmers have been thrown off of. Africans starve and the UK forestry company makes profits. If you don't know this then you are not well educated and never taught this in school. If you are not being taught this in schools one beg to ask WHY are you not being taught. This type of abuse has gone on in Africa for decades. There was a time when food shipped into certain countries was poisoned to kill of the population. If you don't know it is because governments don't want you to know. If these types of atrocities can be created at the stoke of a pen creating poverty in ones own country is simple. Corporations benefit and ordinary people do not.


LR Greg
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@ Ron Paul2012The minimum wage in Ontario is $10.25 an hour assuming you can find a minimum wage job that will hire you full time and give you 40 hours a week you would manage a gross income of $21 320.00 a year before taxes. Add the taxes and you are one of the many working poor. Abolish the minimum wage and allow businesses to pay employees what they wish and you will increase the number of working poor creating a class of slave labourers; not unlike what we had at the beginning of the industrial revolution. I will do nothing to reduce poverty.


allan
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As usual , the only thing these so-called think tanks can come up with is spending more money to coddle the lazy in our society, and want to pay people for doing nothing. There should be means testing to help the truly needy, then those who are fit should work or perish.


Rene Petawawa
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You know, I've always been a supporter of many social programs that helps individuals and families that cannot afford some of the simpler things in life... like food, health care, daycare and any other programs designed to improve the quality of life of people. My issue is that my tax dollars pay for social assistance to individuals that have been on welfare their entire life because their mom and dad was on welfare and think that it's cool to get money for free and not work for it. A friend of mine told me that someone he knows was disowned from his family because he decided to get a job instead of collecting welfare like his siblings and parents have for the pass 20 years. This to me is a system that has failed and will continue to fail if we allow generations of family members believe that's its ok not to work because the government will pay. Some individuals do require help and we should support that help, but if an individual, male or female, has no need for it and are to lazy to get off their butts and work than that's where we should cut the life line off. Give them 2 years of post secondary education, get them back on their feet, use the social programs to help them, but after their 2 years is up, if they haven't gotten a job, then we as a society should cut our losses. I'm tired of paying. Aren’t you!


Education is the key
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There was a time in Canada the Government did pay for College and University education for students. Education was paramount and still should be. Take the war chest and educate everyone. Problem with educating people is you can't manipulate then as easily. People who are in Debt are also easier to manipulate. Educated people are a force to be reckoned with. People are being dumbed down these days. Poverty is essential for governments as poor people suffering from malnutrition are not able to get the education they deserve. Starving people have learning disabilities. Poverty also causes many to become disabled as well. If Libya can pay for a college or University degree for students why can't Canada. Of course since have been bombed back to the stone age and are now looking at $200 billion to rebuild, Libyans can now kiss their education away now.


Bill
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One of the causes of poverty are Free Trade agreements, this has happens all over the world. In Canada 100's of thousands of jobs left Canada. Some jobs were created but they were merely minimum wage jobs. Cut welfare rates and you get desperate loads of cheap labourers who will do anything. People who have little or no money don't buy much to stimulate the economy now do they? They get sick because they are starving, many with long term illnesses. Employers treat them like dirt. Employees are a dime a dozen. How many of you have been told don't like your job quit there are more out there just like you. Be thankful you have a job. Over the years I come across many people who have been abuses by many different employers. I have even come across many women who were sexually assaulted by their employers and they were so desperate to keep their jobs they did nothing. The second offender when it comes to poverty is war. Social spending is always cut so governments can pay down their debts because of it. This adds drastically to poverty and it's creation there of. The poor are demonized so gov can pay for war. It goes hand in hand. Cut welfare rates to pay for the wars. Of course the poverty created in the countries where the war took place is staggering beyond your imagination. They always blame the poor for everything. The fabricated financial crisis's is another tool to cover war costs as well. Always have and always will until the people stand up for their rights. Connecting the dots is pretty simple if you know what to look for.


Craig
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It's clear from the money pumped into helping the poor, that poverty is not about a lack of funds.


chelsea
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It's about time government starts considering investing in preventative measures. Band Aid fixes are a bottomless pit of wasted tax dollars. Just think of how much money could be saved if we started investing in high risk youth; or even better holding mothers of children with FASD, legally responsible for handing multiple children off to the system to be cared for. All the money saved could be used on education and healthcare.


Rose
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Poverty is a weapon governments use. Got a debt problem blame it on the poor. Make cuts to Welfare to pay for wars for example. Poor people are demonized simply because they are an easy target. Poverty can also be created by governments or made worse. Like in the days of Mike Harris. He cut benefits to welfare recipients and created masses of homeless people. One followed the other. Homeless people or those who have low incomes are undernourished. People who suffer from malnutrition get sick which in turn raises the cost of Health Care. One can even loss their eye sight, learning disabilities in children, symptoms of ADHD in children, it is a an extremely long list but I would have to write a book on the subject, worse case is death. Next time you see a blind person ask yourself was that from malnutrition? Lack of dental care can make you extremely even cause a heart attacks. Poor people cannot afford a dentist. These days even Canadian war Veterans are ending up homeless on the streets of Canada. Next time you walk by a homeless person ask yourself was he or she a war veteran? The cost of rent ( if your lucky enough to have a place to rent) in comparison to income in this country is a major problem as many millions just don't have enough to buy simple necessities like proper food. Anyone can become homeless. Just getting sick could put you on the streets. If you get sick your income is instantly cut in half or close to it. So ask yourself if if I cut my income in half what would happen? Really think it through.


Dream On
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This doesn't tackle the roots. Roots go deeper. This is a mid tree trunk approach. There will always be poverty and the poor. It is the pride of those who consider themselves better than, that is closer to the root. Just try building a public housing facility anywhere near a taxpayers property and see the reaction. We seemingly want our stuff more than we want to remove their plight.


Cynical
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That approach was used - and is still used - in UK, and now they are entering their third generation that sees no reason to either educate themselves to a point where they are employable, or make any attempt to support themselves. They KNOW the "nanny" state , that is tax-paying productive citizens, will support them for life. This is NOT the way to go.


Ted from Toronto
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Lots more subsidized public housing? I'm all for it. Just don't put it on my street of course. Funny how rate-payer groups span all political parties when it come to keeping public housing out of their neighborhood.


Ted from Toronto
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There are those who can pull themselves out of poverty with a little help if they have some self respect and initiative. There are others who lack all three and will never make it. Call them dis-advantaged or victims or just lazy, whatever label you think fits. There is no Utopia. Life can be rough. Not everyone can succeed and we can't save everyone who fails. Programs which spray money over a broad spectrum never work. Target individuals who can benefit from a community based intervention and save who you can. If you have four trucks with four flat tires on each and only four spare tires, fixing one flat on each truck doesn't work. Put one truck back to work when you can.


Chuck
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Ottawa could save much more if they got rid of Harper. 9 out of 10 economists agree the best thing for the Canadian economy is to get rid of Harper.


reidjr00
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Sure the far right may want more jaails but the far left don't ant an jails many beleave in a lawless country in short a free for all.


RonPaul2012
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The government should get rid of the minimum wage. That will allow business's to hire more poor people, thus giving them a chance at working their way out of poverty.


GHW
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The problem with providing supportive housing and social services to unmotivated people is it creates increasingly more dependent, demanding and greater quantities of users until the cost and damage to society is greater than the savings you started out to make. Poverty should remain uncomfortable. We are better off in the long run paying for the symptoms of poverty. Having said this, we could and should help create opportunities for less fortunate, less gifted people to work their way out of poverty. Hard work is the path out of poverty. Giving and volunteering is a path out of depression.


Lola in Calgary
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I have a crazy idea. How about the conservatives stop pushing the tax burden on to the average Canadian and shift it back to rich corporations? How about stop dumping the cost of post secondary education on to students who are graduating with an average $40,000 debt? Which is essentially double dipping since them and their parents have already paid for that education via exorbitant taxes. How about the conservatives stop paying AMERICANS billions of dollars for their crappy war machines that we don't need? How about conservatives stop their fomenting of racism and bigotry which causes poverty, reduces our productivity and full participation in the global economy? How about conservatives stop their failed economic policies like 40-year mortgages with zero down? How about we stop giving MY tax dollars to Israel & Africa? I would rather that money go to new immigrants in Canada to help them master English & enter the work force so they can have long productive lives here to contribute to the tax base. All of my suggestions would significantly reduce poverty in Canada.


Realist
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The "problem" with our system is that by design we can never end poverty. The minute everyone has money inflation goes up and those with the lowest income will still be poor. Our wealth demographics will always somewhat resemble a bell curve.


hunter
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I see all these wonderful comments and suggestions. Just how many do you give to our politicians? Akll these suggestions are great but the real problem is in the mirror. Ourselves. less than 1/2 the population votes and we all see the cheaters but turn a blind eye. We all watch the exact things that cost us so much but juststandand say nothing. We are the spectaters and we watch the bullies attack. Get off the couch, watch and make your politicians do what they say they will do. Remember, we get out of our goverment what we put in. Shit in, shit out


Andrew Stevens
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The number one goal of any social agency is to not only perpetuate its own existence but to increase its number doing so. We need time limits in this country for welfare. EI lasts 1 year, we need the same mandate for welfare. I have been unemployed twice in my working life, through no fault of my own, yet have never collected EI and have never been out of work for more than 3 months, that time by choice. We have got to instill in Canadians the belief that social assistance is the last resort, when all other avenues have failed, not the primary career choice. Every person in Canada knows a professional welfare recipient and I'm sure there is more than 1 who posts here with great regularity. We're far too generous to people in this country when all they need sometimes is a good swift kick in the rear end.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
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The biggest growth group for poverty is going to be the seniors demographic. Eroding savings -- negative returns year after year on pensions and RRSPs -- no work opportunities -- all this will make this next generation of retirees very very poor compared to the previous generation.


bikerborz
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So, just what is this council suggesting? What are the causes of poverty (I can think of nearly a dozen, offhand), and how would these people deal with them? I'm reading lots of rhetoric, but no concrete suggestions...


Jon in London ON
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The best possible social program is a job. Welfare’s purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence. - R. Reagan


Welfare Queen
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Canada is such a great country. I got pregnant when I was 15. By the time I was 21 I had two kids. I'd never held a job because I was too busy being a mommy and partying. I live in public housing and receive welfare. I'm now 25 and have four kids (all from different fathers) The more kids I pop out the more welfare I receive. I love living in a country that rewards people for being stupid and irresponsible.


kentington
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"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert


RonPaul2012
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We have the greatest anti-poverty problem on the planet, it's called free market capitalism. Anybody who's poor can work their way out of poverty, but it requires working and being responsible for oneself. Unfortunately there's too many people who are lazy and want to blame all their problems on everybody else. The government cannot help people who don't want to help themselves.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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I support Harper & Company's plan to imprison these people, thus removing them from Canadian society, and our minds. (That tidbit of humor goes out to all my dearest friends, the raging anti-Conservatives.)


HN in Edmonton
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@Phatkid This IS about teaching people to fish! In Alberta they've embarked on a 10 plan to end homelessness, based on programs used in the U.S. (of all places). It costs 1/4 the amount of money to support a homeless person under this program instead of doing nothing. If you're a fiscal conservative this makes sense! Why spend a dollar to save a dime when you can literally spend a dollar and save four?


URU
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The roots of poverty is not tax payers problems. Those who keeps using and abusing the welfare and health care system need to find ways to earn more money just like WE ALL DO. It is NOT society's problem IF YOU can't make ends meat, WE ALL AT SOMETIME IN OUR LIVES BEEN PUT THROUGH STRUGGLING BEFORE WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. I will stand the test of time on this one, I was once living in poverty myself and somehow managed to find my way to get an education and now living a GREAT life without any help from anyone. YOU AND EVERYONE MUST WORK HARD TO SUPPORT YOUR OWN LIFE STYLE AND STOP WASTING YOUR TIME COMPLAINING - TIME IS MONEY AND TIME IS PRECIOUS!!!!! You can sit and pray for god while he is saying or doing NOTHING for you.YOU ARE WHAT YOU DO IN LIFE!!!!


art
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The conservative approach to solving poverty is to throw them in jail at a cost of $120,000 a year. Typical conservative solution - treat the symptom not the problem. If they are out of site there is no problem. Meanwhile the provinces have to pay the bill to keep them in jail.


James, Ontario
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"The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty" - Thomas Jefferson


Africa has Poverty
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The savings come from rather than throwing these people in expensive jail for $120,000 per year, provide them with supportive housing for just $18,000 per year. That is over $100,000 per year savings, multiplied by how many criminals! While it's hard to argue with those figures, another solution to reducing poverty is to get a job.


Phatkid
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You mean if you solve the problem of the poor and actually help people by not just adding programs but educating and giving them jobs you will improve society, THAT's CRAZY!! Teach them how to fish and they will feed themselves forever.


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