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Should parents lose custody of severely obese kids?

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Date: Wed. Jul. 13 2011 6:33 PM ET

A controversial new editorial is firing up the debate about what to do about kids who have become severely overweight, suggesting that some of them should be placed into foster care.

In an opinion piece in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, an obesity specialist and his co-author discuss the ethics and legal considerations of taking severely overweight children away from their parents.

The piece is written by Dr. David Ludwig, an obesity specialist at Children's Hospital Boston and Lindsey Murtagh, a lawyer and a researcher at Harvard's School of Public Health.

They say the children they're thinking about aren't those who are a little overweight. They're referring to those who are severely obese, who are on the brink of developing health problems, like type 2 diabetes or liver disease.

Some of these children might be taking in 1,000 calories a day or more above what they should, "suggesting profoundly dysfunctional eating and activity habits."

"In severe instances of childhood obesity, removal from the home may be justifiable from a legal standpoint because of imminent health risks and the parents' chronic failure to address medical problems," they write.

Parents have the right to raise their children as they choose, the authors says. But they point out that there are many instances in which the state will intervene to protect a child. In cases of child abuse or neglect or severe undernourishment, child welfare workers will often step in.

And yet, they note, only a handful of states have ever used child abuse laws to step in, in cases of "overnourishment" and severe obesity.

"State intervention may serve the best interests of many children with life-threatening obesity, comprising the only realistic way to control harmful behaviors," they write.

The authors acknowledge that foster care is often not ideal and doesn't guarantee that the kids will lose weight. And they concede that taking kids away from their families puts them at risk of emotional harm.

They also note that given that there are about 2 million children in the U.S. who are extremely obese, removing all of them from their homes is likely unfeasible. Still, they say taking the kids away from their caregivers may be more ethical than another alternative: subjecting the kids to obesity surgery.

"Ultimately, government can reduce the need for such interventions through investments in the social infrastructure and policies to improve diet and promote physical activity among children," they conclude.

Ludwig and Murtagh are not the first to propose state intervention in the cases of extremely overweight children.

In a commentary last year in the British medical journal BMJ, pediatrician Dr. Russell Viner and colleagues said obesity had been a factor in several child protection cases in Britain. They argued that child protection services should be considered if parents are neglectful or actively reject efforts to control an extremely obese child's weight.

A 2009 opinion article in Pediatrics made similar arguments. Its authors said temporary removal from the home would be warranted "when all reasonable alternative options have been exhausted."

That piece discussed a 200-kg (440 lb) 16-year-old girl who developed breathing problems from excess weight and nearly died at a University of Wisconsin hospital.

Doctors discussed whether to report her family for neglect. In the end they didn't, because her medical crisis "was a wake-up call" for her family. The girl went on to lose about 100 pounds.

Jerri Gray, a Greenville, S.C., single mother who lost custody of her 555-pound (250 kg) 14-year-old son two years ago, told The Associated Press that many people don't understand the challenges some families face trying to control their kids' weight.

"I was always working two jobs so we wouldn't end up living in ghettos," Gray said.

She said she often didn't have time to cook, so she would buy her son fast food. When she asked doctors for help for her son's big appetite, she was accused of neglect.

Her sister has custody of the boy, who is now 16. Gray said her sister has had the money to help him with a special diet and exercise, and the boy has lost more than 200 pounds.

"Even though good has come out of this as far as him losing weight, he told me just last week, 'Mommy, I want to be back with you so bad.' They've done damage by pulling us apart," Gray said.

With a report from the Associated Press

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Jasper
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I would rather not live in a communist or fascist state, thank you. Maybe it would be better for society if we removed the obese politicans and bureaucrats from office. There wouldn't be any left.


Valarie
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Wow, you can sure tell by the comments who was or has an obese kid


This is idiotic
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But pjm I disagree with you. French fries are deep fried garbage and soft drinks are carbonated sugar water and nothing else. Instead of serving fries, how about fresh vegetables? Instead of soda, what about good old water? Obese children addicted to fast food is the result of bad parenting, no question about it however, the state has no right to facilitate bad parenting and then step in to 'rescue' the kids. Obese kids usually have obese parents. Children do not develop in a vacuum, they follow the example of their parent or guardian. I think this is well intended but fails to address the cyclical nature of how these kids got fat in the first place.


Doug ^^^ BC
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How is it that a lack of fresh fruits and veggies is now to blame.The baby boomers and those who lived in rural Canada before them had few fresh veggies and fruit.They relied on canned goods for their nutrition.In part,because the transportation system in those days was to slow to get fresh veggies to all but the largest cities in the country.And with the short growing season we have here,you could only have "fresh" for a couple of months every year. If you're overweight,and reading this,you can resolve the issue.Internet access gives you all you need to know.So,turn off the computer and the TV, get off your a**,and get moving. It's hard work for some.But it is not rocket science.All the knowledge you need is simple and close at hand.Just do it! Your kids will learn from you as yo go.


Gisabun
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Outside of a genetic condition, I think that parents are at fault when kids are obese. Many parents allow their kids to "get away with murder". They don't seem to care what they eat.Don't get me wrong, most parents do the right things, but some don't give a crap about their kids [like those parents who smoke in front of their kids or in the car with kids].But parents shouldn't lose their kids. Instead, pay extra for their actions. Tie in the weight of the kids to some fine system with the fines going to a diabetes related charity.


suzanne dupuis
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now i have her it all lot of the are like this because of computers video games and from the parents it runs in there vains well my is going in basement until he becomes skinny and i feed only green vegetales


karen in cowtown
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The government should solve the real problem cause our laws do nothing to discourage sexual predators. It's fine to say turn the TV off or video games, but kids aren't safe to go to the park, play on a team, have a sleepover, go to camp, go swimming or play at the neighbors house anymore. What they need to do is lock these predators up for life so our kids can play outside without being a target. When my child was little I bought every home game imaginable including a trampoline so my kid could stay at home. Not all children have the luxury of yard to play in, plenty live in condos or townhouses, etc. I'd rather have my kid out of shape & fat than be molested.


keeder
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Today's kids are being raised by the entitlement generation. Maybe they expect the government to exercise for them.


retiti
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if the issue was parents underfeeding their children by 1000 calories a day, taking them away wouldnt even be an issue. why do people think its ok to make their children into class 2 morbidly obese (this is not simply being overweight people. the kid's lives are at risk), and scream and yell when the government wants to do something about it.


Carmel
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To let your children get obese is a sign of gross negligence - parents should definitely be accountable for whichever form of harm they inflict on their children. I can't imagine the long term health issues these poor kids are facing (because their parents were clueless). It makes no sense! Same with people who bring FAS children into the world! Pure Ignorance! If you are that clueless, you have no business breeding.


MikefromQuebec
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Sure, lets remove them from the homes of their parents. While your at it, charge the parents with child abuse. Maybe, charge the people who voted gym class off the school curriculum with stupidity, charge the people who invented computers and computer games to give kids something to do, and charge companies like Macdonalds and KFC. Those are the real problems. Kids don't play anymore, they sit around playing video games and eating Big Macs. When was the last time you saw somebody enjoying a game of tag, or pick up baseball, hockey or even soccer. Get them off the couch and onto the playground, they'll lose some weight.


Paula Toronto
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Doesn't this remind you of Hitler going for the perfect race? Who the heck is the government to decide who can and cannot live with their parents because of their weight? Child abuse is a whole different ballgame and should be dealt with. How about making life more affordable so parents aren't working 24/7 and can spend quality time with their families.


Ben
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This is a bad idea. Another big brother state suggestion that can lead to even more ridiculous ideas.


Janna
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Imagine the trauma to the child... strangers show up one day and "steal" you from the only home you have ever known. You are taken to a strange house, with strange "foster parents", with strange rules and strange food. You are told when, what and how much you are going to eat... the one comfort you have is the "friend" on your plate, and that is being taken away from you. I doubt these kids will enthusiastically embrace healthy eating and exercise habits, or thank us as a society for rescuing them from obesity. They will more than likely crave what was taken from them and need a lot of counselling. There has to be a better way.


pjm
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It is ridiculous to be removing pop from schools and fries from the cafeteria. We need phys ed put back into the school curiculum on a DAILY basis. When I was a kid we had gym class daily. We didn't always have access to the gym, we went outside and exercised outside. Now, if they get gym at school 2 or 3 times a week the kids are lucky. Oh yeah and if someone in the class misbehaves take away the gym class and assign more math. Wrong, make them do 50 extra pushups as punishment. We teach kids math, spelling, etc. Why not teach them phys ed. All on a daily basis. Make english as a second language classes a parent's responsibility and get gym back in the schools! Kids who need to learn english can take extra classes or have tutors outside of the school environment.


Carl
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The state takes children from their parents in other cases of negligence, so why not in cases where parents let their kids engage in extremely dysfunctional dietary behaviour? Allowing your kids to get extremely obese is just as bad as allowing them go hungry, take drugs, or engage in dangerous activities.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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Yes; let's jail the parents, and send the distraught kid(s) to a military-style "fat camp." That should fix all these parental losers and their obese offspring. (This issue has to do with the welfare of children, and we already have governmental agencies established for this protective purpose, such as the Children's Aid Society. However, for the most part, we simply need to engage family services agencies to educate, support, and monitor.)


Christina Lake Hot Sauce
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How about taking their TV's away instead? I am not serious of course. But it is amazing how much my kids move around, play, run, use their imagination when the TV is off. (TV, also computers, video games, etc.) But yeah, thanks Big brother, but no thanks.


polomolokguy
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Institutionalize the fat lumps.There strict diet and excersize and no TV/computers.


Do not remove charge parents with abuse
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Don't remove them so the state has to pay, charge the paretns with abuse and get the whole family into treatment (at the parents cost). The paretns are abusing the kids. It is abude on the kids mentally, physically and it has to stop. Kids get teased in school, kids have poor health etc...the parents are responsible for the kids until they are 18...hey that's what you signed up for as a parent..now it is time to pay the piper. Charge the parents with abuse and let them pay the bill to fix things.


B is disgusted
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Stupidest pile of crap I have ever heard of. Sure put them in foster care where they can be sexually abused and just plain neglected and abused. That will work ever so well they will lose lots of weight then as they will be dead!!!!


Redneck George
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First education, then intervention. What I can't stand is this mentality "but Georgie is really hungry, and I just can't bear to see him so hungry..." Tough love. There is a chart at your local doctor's office that quickly outlines whether one is at a healthy weight, over weight, or obese. In most cases, it is bang on. For kids, the repercussions in later life of being obese when young can be as bad as the effects of child abuse, etc., and should be taken seriously. If you can't handle not over feeding your obese kid and getting his sorry butt off the couch for some needed excercise, you need help. More often than not it is because you are over eating and not getting your sorry butt off the couch.


viral venus
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Instead of such a draconian and ultimately useless intervention, how about treating the whole family? If you aprehend a child from an unhealthy environment without changing that environment then you have done nothing useful unless you intend to keep that child forever. Intervene in extreme cases but only constructively. Make it clear to those parents that something must be done and the child is in danger in the long term and will suffer unless changes are made. Set some realistic goals for the whole family and monitor their progress and only if the parents are deliberately defying or ignoring assistance should there be any futher actions taken. Knee jerk actions like removal of a child from parents who may be upstanding guardians except for their nutritional issues would a travesty and major abuse of government power.


Henry
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Right like big brother police states do any better.


Been there
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My ignorance and surviving a bad marriage were two factors leading to my children being overweight. I wanted change and educated myself, healed myself inside and out and began to make and purchase only healthy food and taught my children about portion control as well as exercise. I learned to lead by example and we all got healthy. Don't remove children, educate the parents...HELLO!!! Help children and parents to have access to doctors to have regular check ups instead of removing children from their home to live unhappily with strangers for their supposedly well being at a cost to taxpayers!!! Focus on children living under violent conditions or neglect. Leave loving families alone! My children are now young healthy adults and I am proud to be their parent.


Candace
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Having children is a responsibility for life. You work hard, times are tough, I get that. You still need to take care of your children and part of that is to ensure a proper diet and exercise regiment. We're not talking about children who are simply overweight these are kids who are obese. You had more then a few pounds to correct bad behaviour and straighten things out to prevent obesity but didn't. Obesity is a health concern and should be treated as neglect by the parents. I don't see obesity as a genetic problem the math is simple calories in to calories out, too many in not enough out you become overweight, keep going and obesity is next its not that hard to figure out. Parents need to stop blaming everything else in their lives and in society for their kids health and take responsibility.


Ralph
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Lets see. No PE anymmore at most schools. No kickball. Child Labor Laws. Maybe we should back up about 40 years and go back to way things were done when we were kids and maybe most of this would dissappear.


karen in cowtown
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This is insanity. Yes I think parents play a big role in kids being overweight, but maybe they should have to attend a nutrition class not have their children taken away and sent to Foster Care. They took pop away at my daughters high school. So now if someone wants a pop they have to walk across a busy hwy. and hang around a corner store with all the druggies. Nice. Way to go health Canada you're doing such a great job NOT. They can't find foster care for kids being abused, there's no room for overweights. And what about all those kids abused in foster care, you think these kids are better off there, get real.


Karen
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Wow, what a drastic measure! I'm not sure how I feel about this...


Terre508
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Maybe if we Americans didn't have to pay more than a 1/3 of our income to taxes causing both parents to work to make ends meet there would be more time for Moms n Dads to prepare home-cooked healthy meals. And yes I mention "Dad's" as it is not just the Mom who is capable of fixing healthy meals. Nor is it Mom's fault there is an epidemic of obesity here in the US. Jez....



dnha14
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So what about the kids that are genetically doomed to be overweight? Do we take them from their parents so someone else can fail trying to skinny them up? Or do we just euthanize them so they are out of the gene pool? (Hint, not a really serious suggestion, though Margaret Sanger might have condoned it.) This is just another nanny state intrusion into our lives. Get out and stay out.


Layla
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I think a lot of posters are right: education about healthy nutrition and eating is key, as well as additional support to encourage kids to get out and be kids. Most parents are trying their best, but knowing how much to eat and what to cook is a learned thing, so many parents themselves probably never learned proper eating habits, including knowing when you feel SATISFIED and not full/stuffed. You don't eat like it's your last meal in the world. Portions are equally as important as quality. Learned behavior is so easily passed on to children. If they have even decent nutrition 80% of the time plus the activities made available to them they will have a much easier time maintaining their natural weight. There is no reason why ANY child, disease or genetics included, should balloon up over 200lbs by the time they are a teenager.


Matthew
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@JM: You need to watch less TV. Coming from a foster family home, my parents always had foster kids in the house. My parents went on more training sessions and check ups then you seem to be aware of. (Trained to handle kids better then most) And coming from the kids in my mothers care for sometimes greater then a year, they weren't being broken up, they were being saved from dad that beat them, or mom that locked them in a closet for days. You need to get your head checked buddy.


Gale
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Education is the key for both parent and their children! Educate parents on the importance of healthy eating and active lifestyles! The parents need the help too.


just saying
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Something has to be done to protect these innocent children. Maybe if there was some ramifications, parents wouldn't stuff their small children's faces full of junk food. I'm not talking about teenageres who can control what they eat, I'm talking about toddlers who at the age of 2 weigh 50 pounds!That is child abuse!!!It's a shame to see young kids in a kindergarten class who weigh more than double what my child weighs. This isn't a poor vs wealthy problem. I see many educated parents filling their children's mouths full of crap all the time.I am a teacher & I'm mortified at what I see children bringing to school for lunches. It's not hard to make a sandwich, cut up some fruit & veggies in the morning so your child can function throughout the day. I see more pizza pops, chips, fruit roll ups & pure sugar juices during lunch to send me into a sugar coma!It's not 5 or 6 year old child's fault, it's their parents, and someone needs to hold these parents accountable!!!


realist
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I have never understood the argument that healthy food is WAY more expensive than junk. Healthy food is not more expensive - CONVENIENT food is more expensive. If people were will willing to buy in bulk (bulk cereal, bulk rice, bulk pasta) and maybe make a large sauce from scratch (freeze it in portions and defrost as needed) - you would see that it is very easy to eat healthy on a budget. It just takes some extra planning. Buy carrots in a bunch instead of the already peeled baby carrots. Buy a whole melon for a couple of dollars instead of the already cut-up fruit for 8 dollars a container. Drink water (it's free!) Buy the chicken with the skin and *gasp!* remove the skin yourself instead of buying the super expensive skinless chicken breasts. You can make a HUGE pot of homemade chili (low fat - TONS of protein) for under 10 bucks (less if you go meatless). All it takes is planning. Cut up stuff the night before so all you have to do is throw it together the next day! (BTW I work full time as does my husband)


Salman Sheikh
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I think atleast as a minimum those parents should go through a type of program, where they learn a little about nutrition and the importance of daily exercise. This is most beneficial for the most number of people, although there will be cases that are truly genetic. But this would be a great starting point. Atleast give the parents a certificate, when they complete the program, and then do monthly checkups for 1 year. If the health of the child has not imporved; then genetic tests should be done.


Ken S
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I'm nudging 67, and recall that my first look at "boobs" was a boy in my Grade 8 gym class. Child obesity is not new, just much more common. What is different in the 50-odd years since is the repalcement of reality with virtual reality. I played real games, rode real bikes and walked to school (uphill both ways, in snow up to my neck, in my fathers PJs), in other words got real exercise. Where I grew up, McDonalds did not exist.


HB
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Sigh... Because we like to avoid facing responsibility for our actions, and because we really cannot avoid the consequences of them, let us just blame genetics, high food prices, TV, consumerism... (add anything else that is not the root of the problem). Then let us pray and cry aloud to Almighty Government to swoop in and save our kids. Then we shall feel good about being liberal and irresponsible for our actions.Me thinks we got a few things mixed up in our lives, don't you?


Doug ^^^ BC
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Children getting off to a bad start likely never grow up to be contributing members to our society.And it's painful to see how some people who call themselves parents,simply refuse to take charege,and accept responsibility in their own homes.These people are more accurately defined as breeders than parents. That said,does anyone serioulsy believe that any of our governments have either the skill or the resources to raise millions of children in North America? I.for one,do not. So,you've seized someones children.Now what do you do? The parents are likely to be to poor to sue for the costs.Who pays for this? And more importantly,who will raise these kids? Can they actually do a better job? Are we better off to see tens of thousands of children living in foster care? Who will those foster parents be? Or will be build special camps for them? Rows and rows of dormitories with a soup kitchen in the rear of the compound? It's hard to see people struggling.But in the absence of an effort on their part to improve their lot in life,there is almost nothing governments can do to make them better. You know,it's laudible to see people who want to help children,or,for that matter,help anyone in our society.But this kind of social engineering is simply not pragmatic.It almost sounds like a one group of concerned citizens is hoping to create another government bureaucracy.It may or may not help children grow up "better".But it would assure that professional child care workers make a lot of money,because the government would guarantee them a long,steady line of clients. BAD IDEA !!


Meggers
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As I know it, CPS told me that it is illegal to "withhold food from children". sooooo.....


R from NM
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the reason of obesity in the USA is prob because of the lack of interest in the kids and the disjointedness of the family. By separating the children would make it worse..for every % of excess BMI charge the parents 100$ more per semester. I am sure that will make parents more involved in the child's life and actually care about health nutrition and they might even tell them to go out and play


Sherri, Sudbury
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The children shouldn't be punished for being overweight, and removing them is doing just that. They should however be required to monitor these children and make sure the parent is educated on eating healthy. Even put the children in after school programming designed to keep them active.


Barry
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Well of course the 555 lb. kid wants to be back with his mom. He would have no supervision because she works two jobs and she feeds him fast food non-stop. You think he would rather sit at his aunt's eating carrots and asparagus rather than 8 whoppers from BK? C'mon this kid shouldn't be allowed to go back to his mother, she can visit him anytime she wants...maybe sneak him a couple of snacks too.


Alex from DE
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If I hear one more thing about genes causing these kids to grow to 300 lbs by age 13, I'm going to explode myself. Yes, genetics is a factor, but also ICE CREAM AND CAKE are factors too. And large portions, and treats, and cookies. I am in the public a lot. I am always told how good my metabolism is, but I don't eat HALF of what some kids eat. It's not just my metabolism, it's amounts, and no junk. Parents should be fined heavily and it IS child abuse what they do to their kids. THey have no life; they have no self esteem, they don't have boyfriends/girlfriends. It's horrible.


JM - Medicine Hat
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How is placing these children in Foster Care helpful? The Foster Care System needs to be fixed; just ask a kid who has been in the system or one that is in the system now. We have all heard these stories. Obesity has become a problem of society. How about helping families instead of tearing them apart? Find a better solution!


Matthew
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Prime example: My daughters friend just came to the door to call on her. She's over weight. In hand a bag of lays and a 750ml bottle of coke at 10am. This was probably breakfast. They are playing outside, but she would now have to play outside for the next 10 hours to burn off those two items. Is that Tv's fault or her mothers fault? I think for the good parents it's pretty easy to see the difference.


Debbie
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They should lose their children because they are abusing them. They let the children decide the menus just to shut them up rather than parenting them properly. They are setting their kids up for a shorter lifespan full of disease and unhappiness.


Joy
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Children do not really belong to parents anyway. As Hiliary Clinton said, "it takes a village." Parents really are raising children for the government, and the government steps in if parents aren't doing a good job. Raising children is like so many other things. It's a privilege granted by the government as long as it's done responsibly. Raising children is not a right it's a privilege. It's a contract with America.


Matthew
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Really wish people would stop using the excuse Healthy cost vs Processed Cost. Healthy costs way less, the difference is you have to do a bit of work. Family of 4 to eat out fast food 20-25 dollars easy. Family of 4 to eat in 10-15 dollars. Marketing experts have you brained washed to think other wise. Their whole business plays on the fact, they'll do the cooking for you! And slowly but surely they are winning the war against cooking your own meals.


Phil on the Bay
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Outlaw fat kids, eh? How about the government sticks to building roads, funding hospitals, pensions, and the military? Let parents raise their own children within reason. Obese? Who sets the 'bar' or limit on Obese? Who decides HOW much over, is overweight? What is the ideal? If we are talking about children who need to be hospitalized - they are hospitalized.


Dana Longever
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If the weren't feeding them enough and were suffering from malnutrition, they would be yanked. The parent is supposed to be taking care of the children including a proper diet.


r
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In US, family protective services are out of control. Educated but naive in life having authority of Gov. to enforce theories using a guilty until proven innocent approach. No way -- do not empower an already corrupt system. Fix the system, then worry about protecting obese children. Current system would only screw up children more and allienate them against their parents. Limit US family protective services authority to only extreme cases!!! They are not good stewards of authority they have.


Milhouse Fillmore from Kansas
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Once again the "Government" and "Authorities" have a "better plan". Hmm, didn't we hear this back in 1939-1945? What they are ignoring is the fact that over 41 genes have now been identified that play a role in weight. What is next? Shall we remove small children because they "aren't thriving and growing taller"? Be real. They need to shut off the TV, get rid of the computer sit on your behind games and go outside and play. There were no obese kids around when I grew up because kids were outside running and jumping and playing.How about outlawing TV's and sit down games for all kids under 16 before we let the government take children from parents because they are overweight.Those kids genetically inclined for weight will benefit from that, not form living in foster care.


MinkyUrungus
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Ah. Evil. Gotcha.




stevo
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Should parents lose custody of children that they let smoke before they are 18? Should parents who allow their children to watch R movies or play violent video games lose custody of their children? Should parents who let their kids skip school lose custody of their children? Should parents who let their children ride bikes without helmets lose custody of their children?


Beverly
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What about parents that let their children particiate in dangerous sports (hockey - brain damage?, skiing - severe breaking of bones that come back in later life to debilitate?, gymnastics - paralysis?) Should those children also be removed? What about education, training, encouragement, more activities they can participate in???


Matthew
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@Getreal: Can of veggies 1.50$, 4 Potatoes 2.50$, Beef roast bought in bulk on sale 5.5$. Total 9.50$ to feed a family of 4. I do it every night, difference between us, I actually put some effort into feeding my young.


Mimi2005
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In the article the mom mentioned she worked 2 jobs to keep her family from living in the ghetto. She is a single mom who didn't have time to cook. I think the social structure should be changed to support the people in trouble who are trying to better themselves. Not take the kids away, unless there is an obvious sign of abuse; then go to the other solution by putting the child in another environment. I think though the supporting part of it costs too much money, so it's easier to put the child in someone else's hands who has the money to support the situation.


Jessie
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Having obese children is a form of child abuse; Their lives are literally at risk. For the first time EVER our children's life expectancy is lower than my generation, that is unheard of. Obesity is to blame. It's not the children stocking the cupboards and preparing meals at home, it's the parent's. It is a responsibility as a parent to assure our children are healthy, receiving adequate nutrition and getting exercise. I would like to see someone argue that their child is obese after all three factors are met and/or exceeded.


River
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People should be able to sue fast foods places, producers of cheap, fat laden foods, and anyone who promotes their fat, fast foods, citys who have bylaws that don't allow people to garden on the tax paid for property because they want to keep the neighbourhoods green with grass and shrubs.


Soldier of Misfortune
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How about we remove our kids from the almighty TV, not the lazy parents who feed their kids salt laden, processed junk food, the problem here is people sit there kids in front of the old idiot box and the American media they are exposed to tells them eat, eat, eat! don't believe me watch an hour of TV with your kids, it's all food commercials, I for one say let them play outside, my generation did and we never had obesity problems. Thanks Mom.


Bonnie
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The very idea is ludicrous and I cannot believe the number of repiles that believe this is good idea. What we should be working on is less electronics. Our young people do not even know how to interact with each other in a social setting.Put a laptop or a cell phone in their hands and they are fine. Put apps on their phones that encourage healthy eating and excersise. Remember a lot of schools don't even have phys ed anymore the government should make that class available and manditory.


getreal
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Maybe it isn't the parents fault, maybe they just can't afford to feed their children healthy foods. In a perfect world $10 could make you a giant salad, but in the real world $10 only covers enough for 1 person.


Matthew
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To those here saying "We work full time, we just don't have time" You actually have 2 full time jobs, or does being a parent no longer count? If this is your approach to your own children, tell me, what exactly are you teaching them here. Money is more important then health? Daddies status is more important then cooking for me? Rather then grabbing a beer and the paper when you get home and sitting on the couch. Grab a can of veggies, peel 4 potatoes, and put a roast in the oven. Like most healthy weight full time working families do. Neglect takes on all kinds of forms. (Before you think, probably doesnt work) I work full time, as does my wife. We come home at the end of the day and cook and clean together, my children set the table and we all sit down together. You already know the answer to this, but when did your family last do any of that?


Al
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The biggest problem is the affordability of good food and exercise. If governments seriously want to have kids who are in perfect shape then they need to make proper foods affordable for low income earners. I have a modest income and even I find it difficult to buy proper foods. Junk food is the most affordable and that is why our kids are so out of shape.


Graham
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Parents are solely to blame when a child is allowed to become obese. It's akin to abuse, as far as I'm concerned.


TEA from SK
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More nanny state...just what we need...I'm sick and tired of picking up the slack on idiots who can't take responsibility for their own lives...


cehnehdeh in SK
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If the state (province) becomes involved with this issue, obesity, what is to stop them from getting involved with other issues such as religion, culture, or politics? This is a very slippery slope! We should not entertain these socialistic/communistic ideals.


Earthwatcher
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I swear, if I read one more post blaming TV, video games and the internet for a couple generations of fat, lazy uninspired children and NOT placing all facets of child rearing squarely on the shoulders of the parents (or parent), I am going to puke.Since when is the responsibility for the healthy, active rearing of a child the job of anyone else except a parent? To read these so called experts spouting such nonsense begs one question. Do these EXPERTS have kids? Please, tell us all what perfect children you have, all lean fit and smart as a whip.. Removing children from their parents in virtually all cases is not acceptable except where true abuse or neglect is the case. As it is, social services far too often miss the ones they really need to save. Since when does a fat lazy kid become more important to one that is being beaten, starved or sexually abused by their parents??vomit bag at the ready


robin hood
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This is a societal issue—granted there are bad parents out there but this is way bigger than that and I agree with what Art Caplan has to say—weight gain can be caused by emotional turmoil. Separating parent from child is devastating to all parties when not warranted and should be avoided at all cost. Therefore it makes sense to go after advertisers, get rid of fast food—non-food, kick parents and adults organizers out of children’s play, quit marketing and selling video games that have children sitting for hours viewing in most cases violent scenarios while implanting useless and damaging data in their minds. In fact while we’re at it— let’s have it legislated and ensure that all subliminal messaging be removed from advertising, movies, TV, and music. You may not think so but rage and discord is being feed to us! Eliminate traffic problems that incite rage, throw away the cell phones that help us to avoid real conversation with each other and have people work within their own village. Fix and promote family values by making it possible for stay at home moms or dads, provided dad can pull off mom’s work load and still put supper on the table! Have one set of eyes on the children at all times and kick there asses outdoors. Bring back skipping, tag, hide n seek, have the older kids incorporate the younger kids in play while handing down the value of simple play to the next generation. Know that it takes not just family but the entire village working together to raise and keep children safe. Lower the cost of living –limit the power of spend spend spend and assembly lines. Realize the value of good honest healthy relationships over the value of material wealth by living simpler. Remove and keep out government and holier than thou professionals from our homes. Fix the education of our children by nurturing their god given talents and imaginations not for profit but instead for a fulfilled happy way of life while contributing and sharing our immense skills with each other to build up and maintain a strong united village the one, in which we live. Bring back trade and barter for services and food. Now you may think these are lofty ambitions but if we don’t turn back the clock and bring back the values our elder generations were raised by and quit allowing technology to dictate our paths we will continue this conversation straight on through to our destruction. There is no doubt!


Simple Mom
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My husband and I have 6 children. We do not have TV or video games. I have a huge garden that they have to help out in. I don't buy sugary cereals, or piles of junk food. We CHOOSE to live on one income. I do all my own cooking and baking. I shop at the thrift store. People need to humble themselves and quit being so greedy and scale back on their wants. Moms need to get back home and take care of their children properly. Our society is totally screwed up, because we won't THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX and make this work. Pay attention to your kids so they aren't gorging themselves because they are so lonely for their mommies. Shame.PS I am not picking on single parents. Their families/churches should step in & help out!


Matthew
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Take a few courses, talk to people in the social services system! Obesity is fast becoming a tell tale sign of neglect. IE They are feeding their child's emotional needs away. "Timmy stop bothering me go have a cookie" The child is now learning that when they have emotional needs or problems, were the parents should be TALKING to the children to teach them to deal with their needs are instead being forced to eat. Because it is to much of a hassle to deal with their kids EMOTIONAL needs. My parents have had over 60 foster children over the last 10 years, ALMOST every single one of them obese on account of the drunk mother or druggy father NOT CARING what the children were eating or doing. BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD! Stop living in a world controlled by religion and fear. Children are people, with opinions and feelings. Heard first and seen second, and not the other way around is the problem. For far to long society has looked at children as slaves to the parents will, with no rights of their own. This mentality is what needs to change!


Echo
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Yes Please take the children & the adults! Throw the kids into a hell they don't deserve and the parents into jail for child abuse. Hey, while we're at it, why not give the chair! This is NOT the fault of TV or Video Games like some like to believe. I Blame no one but ourselves for this stupidity. Why should there be any interjection? Why punish when we can lead by example. Take some action and change the communities, don't single out families. Or are we too lazy...


Bonnie
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Kids don't buy the food or junk food that comes in the house.The other problem is, a lot of people don't know how to cook.When everybody is over worked it is easiest to do what is fast.Sitting in front of the t.v. or computer isn't all the problem. Cooking could be taught "again" in school along with other survivor skills.


Sam C
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"State intervention 'ideally will support not just the child but the whole family, with the goal of reuniting child and family as soon as possible.'" Yes, IDEALLY it should, but too often the intervention is just taking the children away from the parents. This is certainly a problem -- often obese parents have passed their habits on to their kids, or, parents just don't want to say "no" to their kids. Either way, parental instruction can and should take place while the children are still in the home.


Ryan, Guelph
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The headline is misleading, and I think a lot of posters didn't actually read the study. They're talking about taking away kids "temporarily" who are "extremely obese" to the point of having very serious health issues and facing an early, unnecessary death. They're not saying, "That kid's a little fat! Let's take him away!" If the parents are unable to care for their children to the point of endangering their lives, yes, the state should step in to protect them.


Intelligent Liberal
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It's a good idea for the government to take over these kids, maybe increase the GST back to a normal level of 7% to help pay since feeding these kids will cost a LOT.


Paul ~ Kitchener
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" REMOVE from PARENTS " ~ NO ! Educate parents in proper food nutrition, & physical programs, & provide laws, or penelties on producers of " FAT FOODS" . All these fast food giants are prodcing unhealthy food for children and adults. How many of us have seen, time and again, "Fat Adults" hunking down on "Fat Burgers & Fries & Sweets". They even pay more, than going to a restaurant and order a healthy meal ~ its even cheaper. Fat Kids come from Fat Adults its a way of North American Life. Just think how much these Fat Kids, & Adults, place on our Health Care System ? North Americans are in love with " Sugar - Fats etc " & care not on their health or the health of their families. Healthy children come from Healthy parents ~ SOOOOO !


Gundula Baehre
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Instead of separating obese children from their families, it should first be attempted to get the entire family to eat a healthy diet, exercise etc. Only after all other intervention has failed, should state or provincial child care authorities consider removing obese children from their parents' custody. Also, if you don't deal with and correct the eating and health habits of the entire family, removing a child to foster care for a limited time is only a temporary solution at best. Once the child is back with his or her family, it will be same old, same old, unless the entire family changes its eating habits etc. (and the child will be obese again very, very soon). Working together with the families of obese children, providing help, maybe even financial incentives and education, that is the way to go (parents should only lose custody in the most extreme circumstances and even then, there should be support, intervention and education for the entire family).


Mom in ottawa
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I work, my partner works and we have 3 kids between us.. It is getting more and more expensive to buy healthy food vs Junk. I blame TV, Video games and the internet. It maybe easier to eat out all the time, but it is better for you to cook meals at home. Its also up to us as parents to kick the kids off the tv, internet and video game system. My daughter is a competive gymnast, and when she is not at the gym, she is outside playing with her friends....


Tom [Kingston]]
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Some of these parents cannot afford healthy food to feed they children as they are working multiple jobs to pay for day-to-day life expenses. Has this also been factored in, Plus many schools have reduced or removed Physical Activity to make more time for academic time. However has this also affected the overall weight issues. What about all the unhealthy food and snack choices sold at school. I say blame the parents as well as the other factors that influence these children lives and futures. Peace.


Jackie Barrett
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Obviouly, the answer is NO.Fascism has no place in our society.


Jackie Barrett
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I have one short answer, absolutely not.While obesity is often linked to over-eating or poor food choices, what if a child is obese due to a medical condition?As you're aware, some obesity causes are linked to genetic or medical conditions like diabetes or Prader Willi Syndrome. Will we end up punishing parents for having a medical condition linked to obesity?Secondly, since children are still growing, forcing them to go on a diet can be dangerous.That's why I don't support this move to have obese children taken away from their parents. Fascism has no place in Canadian Society.


Sam
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I think it would have to be an extreme case to remove a child temporarily but it may be necessary. To say it is the fault of fast food or advertising is a little much for a child. Where do they get the money to buy fast food. It is different when they are teens and have their own money but by then healthy eating habits can be established. As for advertising, it is the parents that buy the food for the house.I rarely had chips, cookies or other junk in my house. I also did not let my 4 boys watch hours of tv or sit in front of the computer all day. Remember, it is not just the health issues, it is the very sad life obese people lead due to teasing and prejudice. It sets them up for a very difficult life.


DanInAshton
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I've never heard of anything so retarted in my life.The two main prblems are education on nutrition and bring down the cost,if possible,of good nutritious foods.I have seen time and time again where I'm at the grocery store check out where I come out paying twice as much for half the amout of my purchase when i see at the next aisle the total bill for junk food soooo much lower with double the amout of items in the grocery bags.It's unreal and unfortunate that we have come this far.After all we are supposed to be quite educated in everything we do as there is all kinds of information for us to gather and decide on what's best for us.I guess common sense is not all that common anymore.......


Tom Hanna
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Extreme measures are sometimes called for in extreme cases. This one is for those that are extremely overweight!


KC
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It is very troubling rhetoric to read such headlines and ridiculous assessments by so called experts. What is next, take children away because they share a room with a sibling??


Wayne
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But University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Art Caplan said he worries that the debate risks putting too much blame on parents. Obese children are victims of advertising, marketing, peer pressure and bullying -- things a parent can't control, he said. EXACTLY what I have been saying for years. DUH !!!Marketing bombardment. No family values left.No time for parents to actually spent time preparing meals. Work Work Work, just to pay bills. Thank you corporate america for sending quality paying jobs overseas, so BOTH parents have to work 44 hrs a week just to have enough money to buy processed prepackaged food. Like always "blame the parents for not providing quality food for children". I read an article of some guy named Jamie Oliver who has been hammering home this stuff for years. WERE JUST TO Stupid, selfish, and arrogant to realized that WE created this obesity crisis. All of us. All in the name of human progress. This and other child social issues will just get worse, until we get our morals, ethics, and family values back, and the majority of americans and canadians stop fearing the "anything and everthing goes liberal MINORITY'S tantrums, and pride parades". So glade there is a higher power than us alone. Cause we are so stupid and clueless.


scott nova scotia
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there is way too many grey areas in a law like this. Genetics, health problems, and many other things can attribute to over wieght issues. Just because a parent may have the lack of knowledge in what are good food choices does not make them a bad parent. Education is more important then punishment. I know families with large parents that have large children and they are very loving families.


PA
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Family relationships SHOULD be held sacred and only become a matter for the state in the most extreme cases, but the attitude of the state is that we exist for the good of the state so they feel entitled to do what they deem necessary to make us what they want us to be. Scary.


Ted
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Parents should maintain custody of the kids but should be made to pay for all the expense incured to treat these kids as well as fined heavily. They should also be forced to get educated in child care and nutrition. Perhaps the Governments should step up to the plate (no pun intended) and reduce the cost of nutrition. Fast food industry is big money and they also should be held accountable.


Earthwatcher
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Brilliant idea...then place them in foster homes or state run adoption agencies so they can truly realize their potential with strangers. Strangers that are no more qualified in keeping junk food out of Fatty Jr.'s mouth or getting him to exercise more than once in....never.what morons


PEI Fella
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Instead of targeting families why not target the businesses feeding us absolute garbage. Even then the blame only partially falls on them. We are all responsible for what we purchase and consume. I feel like I need to go for a walk...


Jeremy
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Oh my God. This is appauling that you folks at CTV would even consider trying to hype up this topic with a headline like this. Wow. I am wondering, does Rupert Murdock own CTV, might explain the sensationalization. This is just plain wrong.


margaret 53
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Gee what a surprise! More state intervention where it is not needed. Instead of taking children away, why don't we help the parents or parent out so the child can stay with the family. What about a helper so the parent does not have to work multiple jobs? or someone to come in and help with the meal cooking, or gee here is a thought coupons for free fresh veg's, milk and the healthy things in a diet? Or make fast food healthier with less salt, sugar and additives, or education on healthier life styles. Hmm thought so, much easier to get child services white knights in shining armour "save the world"!


Andrew in Vancouver
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Of course not and it's becoming clear that the weirdos are always looking for new ways to separate kids from their families. (Everybody knows that what I am saying is true.)


island girl
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Obesity is something you notice, hence the government is right there to step in. Many children continue to live in hostile environments with physical, psychological and emotional abuse that goes unnoticed. But hey, they're fat so let's sweep them right out of there 'for their own protection'.....


alex
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Headline fail...


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