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Labour Minister Lisa Raitt responds to a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP Leader Jack Layton asks a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Locked-out Canada Post employees protest at Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird's constituency office in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. Locked-out Canada Post employees hold a protest in Toronto on Wednesday, June 22, 2011. Locked out Canada Post employees stand outside a postal facility in Dartmouth, N.S. on Wednesday, June 22, 2011. (Andrew Vaughan / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Members of Parliament are seen debating the back-to-work legislation for Canada Post in the House of Commons in Ottawa, Thursday, June 23, 2011.

MPs debate back-to-work legislation for postal workers

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CTV National News: Robert Fife on the bill
Instead of enjoying the start of their summer break, MPs were on the job Thursday night debating back-to-work legislation for Canada Post employees.
Question Period: NDP slams Tories on legislation
Party leader Jack Layton accuses the government of not allowing arbitrators to do their jobs, but Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the government is acting in the higher interest of Canadians.
Question Period: Rae and Harper debate
Liberal Leader Bob Rae asks the government if it would consider some modification of arbitration clauses in the proposed back-to-work legislation, which might provide a resolution of the dispute.
Power Play: Gerry Deveau, CUPW
CUPW's national director for Ontario explains what happened at the bargaining table with Canada Post. He also says negotiations with the corporation have ended, but there is still time to amend the back-to-work legislation.
Power Play: Jon Hamilton, Canada Post
A spokesperson for Canada Post explains why both sides have been unable to reach a deal, saying they have to make changes to wages and pension now rather than later. He also says they are still open to negotiating with the union to reach a deal.
CTV Ottawa Extended: Workers hold sit-in
Locked out Canada Post workers and other supporters hold a sit in at Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird's constituency office in Ottawa on Thursday.
CTV Atlantic: Felicia Yap on the postal strike
Union workers have yet to be ordered to go back to work, and frustration is building among postal workers and local businesses in Nova Scotia.
CTV News Channel: Don Martin on the debate
The host of CTV's Power Play explains why he thinks NDP Leader Jack Layton is bluffing and the session in Parliament will come to a close for the summer. He says the ideal situation is if the union and Canada Post settle the dispute on their own.
Canada AM: Jane Taber in Ottawa
The co-host of CTV's Question Period says MPs are set to begin a long debate on the back-to-work legislation, and explains how the NDP and Liberals are so against the move because they believe the reflective bargaining process should work.
Question period: NDP slam Tories on postal strike
NDP Leader Jack Layton says the Conservative government is attacking the locked-out postal workers by imposing even lower wages than what was offered to them by Canada Post.
CTV Toronto Extended: Protesters hold rally
Various union members rally at Yonge and Dundas square in support of the locked out postal workers.

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Labour Minister Lisa Raitt responds to a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP Leader Jack Layton asks a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Locked-out Canada Post employees protest at Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird's constituency office in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. Locked-out Canada Post employees hold a protest in Toronto on Wednesday, June 22, 2011. Locked out Canada Post employees stand outside a postal facility in Dartmouth, N.S. on Wednesday, June 22, 2011. (Andrew Vaughan / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Members of Parliament are seen debating the back-to-work legislation for Canada Post in the House of Commons in Ottawa, Thursday, June 23, 2011.

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Labour Minister Lisa Raitt responds to a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 23, 2011. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Thu. Jun. 23 2011 10:12 PM ET

Members of Parliament held off their summer break Thursday night as they settled into the House of Commons for a lengthy debate over the government's back-to-work legislation for Canada Post workers.

Not long after filibustering began, NDP Leader Jack Layton began a long speech. However, the Conservatives' majority in the House of Commons all but guarantees the legislation will eventually pass.

Layton spoke for an hour before concluding with a request that the bill not proceed to second reading Thursday, but to be read for a second time "six months hence."

Earlier Thursday, Layton called on the federal government to remove a section on wages from the legislation, saying the move sets "a terrible precedent" and renders collective bargaining "pointless."

The legislation includes wage increases for workers that are lower than what Canada Post included in its last offer to the union.

During question period Thursday afternoon, Layton asked the prime minister to remove the section on wages from the bill and refer the matter to an arbitrator.

"The prime minister has rendered collective bargaining pointless in this country," Layton told question period. "He's signalling that if you can't get what you want at the bargaining table, never mind, Ottawa will legislate it for you if you're an employer. Why bother to bargain? It's a terrible precedent."

Harper called the wage rates contained in the legislation "fair," and said they are on par with the earnings of other federal public servants.

"We need to be absolutely clear of the difference here. The government, unlike the NDP, is not beholden to one of the parties at the table. The government represents the wider interests of the Canadian economy…," Harper said, before being drowned out by a standing ovation from the Conservative caucus.

Earlier Thursday, the union said it had all but given up on reaching a deal with the Crown corporation.

A spokesperson for the Canadian Union of Postal Workers said Thursday that the bill tabled, and the wage increases contained in it, by the Conservative party has removed any incentive for the employer to continue bargaining.

Gerry Deveau, the union's national director for Ontario, said the two sides were close to a deal earlier in the week. However, they remain at odds over several issues such as sick leave, pensions, working conditions and staffing.

Deveau told CTV's Power Play Thursday evening that he doesn't "see any more opportunities to have those discussions with the corporation."

But he said there is still time to amend the legislation.

"There are obviously opportunities to have the legislation amended to make it more a level playing field, so that both sides are at least on a level playing field," Deveau said. "As we see it right now, the legislation is written in a one-sided manner that favours the employer versus the union. So we want to see a balance there."

Deveau accused Canada Post of approaching negotiations with little flexibility. But company spokesperson Jon Hamilton said with a downward trend in the corporation's business expected to continue, there are issues it cannot bend on.

"We need to make some changes now so that we don't have to make more difficult choices down the road," Hamilton told Power Play. "And that means preserving the wages, pensions and job security of current employees and making some changes to what we offer new employees. We think that's a fair and reasonable plan."

Meanwhile, the debate over the issue on Parliament Hill is expected to last through the day and into the night. The NDP had vowed to delay the bill in order to give the two sides more time to work out a deal.

Labour Minister Lisa Raitt introduced the back-to-work bill on Monday, after the Crown corporation locked out its unionized workers who had been staging rotating strikes across the country.

She defended the binding arbitration that will take place if the bill is passed, saying "final offer binding selection" was necessary to avoid years of mediation and "millions of dollars" wasted.

Raitt, under fire from opposition MPs, also said the proposed wage increase was fair because it matched other agreements the government has negotiated with public servants.

"At the end of the day, we are responsible to the great taxpayers of Canada (who) have the responsibility of being on the hook for Canada Post," she said.

"We want to make sure we ensure the viability of Canada Post Corporation."

Raitt told Power Play that the last time Canada Post was legislated back to work, in 1997, the NDP supported the bill despite the fact it also contained wage levels lower than what management had offered.

"They saw the bigger picture of the importance of getting postal workers back to work and getting the mail going. So I hope they take a look at that again."

The Conservatives are hoping to pass the bill as soon as possible, so that postal deliveries can resume next week and MPs can begin their summer break, which is scheduled to start on Friday.

Though they likely don't have the numbers to block the vote, the NDP can delay the bill as long as there are New Democrat MPs in the House of Commons to speak about the legislation.

When the debate ends, a vote can immediately be called.

Earlier Thursday, Power Play host Don Martin said MPs have been ordered to remain close to Parliament until the debate is complete, meaning none can begin their summer break early.

The Senate has also vowed to sit as long as necessary to pass the bill.

Last week, the Conservatives tabled back-to-work legislation that would have ended a strike by Air Canada workers. Under the increased pressure, both sides managed to work out a last minute deal before the legislation became law.

Martin said the Conservatives are sending a strong message to labour unions.

"I think it's a shot across the bow to all unions, saying if you're economically important...you can play ball at the bargaining table or you can face the consequences in the House."

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Winnie
said

I'm watching Cpac now and MR Layton is talking and there is a lot of yelling coming from the gallery it seems and Layton just smiled and encouraged them, sounds like civil disobedience to me, maybe that page who hates Har[per is behind it or maybe the media, who knows TV doesn't show them, they should. LAyton is ranting on just to waste time, what a misuse of parliament, and he keeps blaming The Conservatives who have as usual behaved with dignity and truthfulness. The speaker didn't intervene when all that racket from the gallery happened either, I would think he should have spoken up and stopped it, this is not theatre this is The House of Commons..


Joey
said

We dont care about the wage increase. It's about the single bundle method for delivery and the sick time from 15 days to 7. And being able to overide our Drs note with Manulife for Short Term disibillity. We were willing to deliver the mail it was Canada Post that locked us out!


Richard B
said

Vincent, Ive been out of the union for more than 10 years. Ever since then Ive been promoted so fast through the ranks. Why? Because I do not hide behind the union that protects those who afraid to work. Yeah I work alot of overtime and dont get paid for it but the extra 30k over my counterparts is just the satisfaction I need for working hard to show my company I WANT A JOB!


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Some of you union cheerleaders crack me up. What gives the government the right to, ultimately, dictate the wages of CUPW members? Canada Post is a CROWN CORPORATION, folks. Get with the program. Given the struggles of the company (ie. a critical decline in revenues due to fundamental market change), the fact that we're still crawling out of a global economic recession (and many people are still hurting), and the general level of education and employed skill of the majority of CUPW members, the wage INCREASE stapled by the government to the table is pretty damn good. I would argue that the union needs to wipe the greed out of its eyes.


T-MB
said

How about nobody in Parliament goes for summer session until this Canada Post issue is resolved. That will make lots of people happy with Jack Layton- NOT. All I can say is the NDP have never gotten my vote and NEVER will. Very foolish move being the official opposition Mr. Layton


Donnie In Calgary
said

Never been in a union myself and I never had much use for them but I'm very concerned with the ferocity with which this majority government is going after workers' rights.

For those who aren't union members, try to imagine what your future will be if there are no ways to push back against an employer who is aided and abetted by the force of government.


Northbound
said

I agree with Diane. All Layton does is grandstand. It's easy to do that when your the opposition.Can you imagine a federal NDP government? They would only support the terrorists, the criminals, and all illegal aliens would who would pay to get into this country. An NDP government would ruin this country.


Pat in Mississauga
said

Tell us exactly what the postal workers get. Pensions, time off, other benefits and wages. Tell us what 'not enough' is. I will bet most of us will be shocked.


Peter
said

there goes my support for NDP, go harper use your majority


Wolfgang Schmidt, Rock Creek, BC
said

Layton and the Union should look out of the window. There are 10,000 unemployed workers who would love to get the job under conditions Canada Post is offering.When I heard the wages, holidays, sick days and pensions currently paid, and the retirement age earlier than most Canadians - it reminds me of Greece where the Union people are demonstrating while the government is broke.Let's come to our senses. We are still not out of our economic troubles .... and my postage stamp is too costly as it is ... look at the American mail - much cheaper, faster and just as mechanized as Canada Post.Don't get me wrong, I like my post lady .... but with those wages and benefit packages ..... I'll go for epost but I do want the odd snail mail.


Wher is my mail?
said

To me it seems unjust. I have mail in limbo right now. Although it is not the end of the world it is my mail. If I were to prevent delivery of a piece of mail it becomes a federal offence. Now CP has taken mail from a paying customer with the assurance it would be delivered and has knowingly prevented its delivery. In my mind that is a federal offence. Had CP stop receiving mail and waited until all deliverable mail was delivered before stiking I would be more supportive of their cause. As it stands now I am waiting for a cheque of significant value that I would like. Unfortunately they have chosen to commit a federal offence and prevent its delivery. I hope all CP workers loose their jobs.


Crystal
said

I like Jack Layton but he is being a hypocrite, it's like he has forgotten that the Liberal government forced postal workers back to work in 1997 and gave them a lower wage settlement than Canada Post had offered. They are no different that then the Conservate government in this area.


Telle
said

Are you kidding me....cry me a river to the postal workers who have no benefits anymore...think of all the small business workers who NEVER have any benefits because they cost too much. I don't blame the postal agency for locking you out....any business that a strike will affect the general public in anyway(ie. OC transpo) should not be allowed to go on strike. If a grocery store strikes, people will shop at another store, if the only mail company strikes there aren't any other options! Use you heads and quit your whining...be glad you have a job!


Willie Everlearn
said

Do some research, Jack. It's not a "terrible precedent". It's not even a precedent.. The precedent was created when Chretien passed a similar law in 1997, ordering the posties back to work and assigning in law a lower rate of pay increase than CPC had been willing to give the strikers.


Todd Toronto
said

Instead of attacking all unions why don't you just create another tax where anyone who made more than 1.7% in the past year gets hit. That would be fair across the board - union, non-union, public, private. When private sector wages go up, it is a direct cost to the consumer too. A wage cut when the gov't stands to make money is essentially a tax on a select few.As far as public sector, if it is broken, all you need is managers with backbone to make the hard decisions instead of Harper bailing out these wishy washy pathetic incompetents. Its managers who can't control the budget that are at fault, not unions.


Lana
said

There is nothing stopping Canada Post from unilaterally ceasing the lockout.They are the ones who stopped the mail, cried wolf and whined to the government.If your a business who has suffered because of this, put your anger where it belongs - directly at the head honcho's at Canada Post. The postal workers did not walk out - they were LOCKED out. The cynic in me laughs out loud at Harper who tries to take the high road by stating he is just trying to do what is best for all of Canada. If that were so - he would of demanded that Canada Post open its doors, irregardless of rotating strikes.


Mandosa
said

"The legislation includes wage increases for workers that are lower than what Canada Post included in its last offer to the union." This may be the single greatest piece of legislation to ever come from Ottawa. If the conservatives pass not a single more piece of legislation in the next four years, they will still deserve another majority.


Mark
said

Today labour unions tomorrow old age pensions. Harper while your at it cut your pension and get rid of the Senate, that's where the beef is. Stop nickel and dining the middle class because we will all be broke like the posters on this site who want to bring everyone down to minimum wage. Hey get rid of minimum wage and get bigger pensions for MP's


Matt
said

Layton claims the NDP are the champion of small business in Canada. So, why is he delaying this legislation to get the posties back to work? Does he not realize small business are now paying 2 to 3 times MORE for shipping goods to them from suppliers and then to their customers? The NDP have now made it perfectly clear where their loyalties rest. And it's with the unions.


Graham
said

All the posters here talking about the government asking canada post to take a lower wage........GIVE YOUR HEADS A SHAKE. They are being asked to take a lower wage INCREASE, not a lower wage. Huge difference.


Brent
said

Unions have no place in Canada in the 21st century. Its time to pass legislation banning unions.


Matt
said

So, wanting the postal union to accept a WAGE INCREASE that is inline with what other unions that deal with the federal government got sets a "terrible precedent"? Go away Jack. You have shown yourself to be nothing more than a union stooge.


Vincent
said

For all the union bashers, I have a little suggestion. Give up your 40 hour work weeks, vacation, sick days, pensions, raises, health plans, overtime, maternity leave, insurance plan, and all the other things that you have because unions exist. You see, people like you have existed for years. While workers were fighting for their rights, people like you criticized them and told them to shut up. But when they succeeded, you had absolutely no problem enjoying what others had fought for. So if you really want to put your money where your mouth is, walk into your boss's office tomorrow and tell them that you are giving up all these things. You will feel so much better about yourself.


Bob in Calgary
said

Privatize Canada Post and get rid of the unions already!!! You don't need a union to carry mail!! This strike is hurting a lot of small business owners (people who usually work much harder than union workers) who rely on Canada Post. It is making it very hard for me to pay all my bills at the end of this month.


Alexandria
said

Everybody should Email Jack and tell him his and his members time is done. Get on with the vote to get these folks back to work.Do not forget to send it in both official languages as most of Jack's members are from Quebec.Jack if you want to take someone to task get after the head of Canada Post and the other executives that run the place. They locked the workers out. Deduct their pay for every day that the lock out lasts. That would be a good thing Jack


Ryan in AB
said

Maybe we could legislate a roll back in MP salaries and pensions. NOPE not going to see that happen anytime soon. Personally I am against unions, but anyone who thinks that politicians are looking out for anyone but themselves is foolish.


bill
said

The Mail is an essential service, and postal workers should not have the right to strike. Why should my tax dollars go to pay insanely high wages for government employees? The NDP is spouting the same Communist rhetoric it has spewed for years. Thank goodness we have a government that will not put up with any more bull!


get with the times:Canada
said

Why was 5-day/week mail delivery ok 40 years ago and back, and still ok today, 2011?? It makes no sense to have the electronic communications we have today, and let Canada Post remain the same re delivery. Cost savings would be huge if there was 40% less delivery going on: 3 days/ week mail. This bickering for a contract for service unchanged over decades is ridiculous for our tax dollar allocation. I want value for my money, and this isn't it. At present, we are wallowing in a system from the past; smarten up, and give us way better value for our ballooning tax bills.


Mikey
said

NDP as official opposition, now that's a terrible precedent.


TM
said

The issue here is that the Harper government is interfering with collective bargaining. Canada Post management is sitting on their backsides knowing the Harper government is doing their dirty work for them.

Al in Edmonton
said

I suspect Mr. Layton has never had to pay a salary out of his own pocket, or tried to run a small business where paying bills and pay cheques were a priority. While I'm sure CPC is not faultless, they do have to pay bills and consider a future beyond the next pay cheque. The do face competition, although the do have protections in the country. The NDP supposedly champion the 'little guy', well this 'little guy' needs the CPC to be both operationally and cost competitive. It's NOT business as usual. The people really being hurt by NDP grandstanding (since you won't change the outcome anyways) are the small business operators across this country and the people WE employ. Anyone involved in a small business will tell you there are NO guarantees, you have to compete to stay in the game. Get back to work or let someone else at it.


Kate
said

The postal workers should be forced to go back to work. This is getting so ridiculous now! Clearly they cannot come to a reasonable resolution so soemthing else needs to be done. Enough is enough already!


dave j
said

Jack, Jack enjoy your day in the sun, once the ill informed voters figure you out and the next election comes around, they will throw you out.


Dreamr
said

What week of striking are union followers in now...week 3 or 4? Look how long it has gone on and still very few people care or event notice that mail is not being delivered. Last time they went on strike they were ordered back to work within days...now it is like, hmmmm lets see who cares! This should be a real wake-up call to the union to realize very few people need Canada Post anymore so your demands are not realistic.


LM
said

We all have a right to get our mail!!! and we pay for it!!!


Winnie
said

I agree with the Covernment, GET BACK TO WORK, I listened to Cpac all afternoon and the NDP is looking a lot like the Liberals used to look and JAck Layton is looking like the old Iggy, like he doesn't beleive in what he is fighting for. THINK of the people of Canada and the economy and the postal workers who WANT to go back to work because they are suffering financially and all the businesses that are suffering and may go out of business, Come on NDP let bill C6 go through and stop all this craziness. We need our mail.


Sergy
said

Those of you who are pushing online billing and payment need to remember that hundreds-of-thousands of Canadians don't have computers or Internet access. And no one with an IQ above 6 would do financial transactions on a public computer, such as at a public library.

The mail is still very important. Having said that, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the Canada Post employees who have held us hostage for decades because of that fact.


Dave in Ottawa
said

We are watching the public sector equivalent of Blockbuster Video. The issue isn't wages or benefits. The issue is ensuring that the taxpayer doesn't get stuck with the liabilities of Canada Post when it goes the Blockbuster route. As a start the governement should end a monopolistic situation --- the exclusive mandate Canada Post has been given to deliver first class mail.


Marc
said

Force Air Canada back to work? Perfectly cool with the NDP so they could all get to their convention last weekend. Force mail workers back to work? Not cool with the NDP.The one they did support was needless and useless. The other they don't support is essential to rural Canada and small business. Way to show your true colors, NDP.


D. Vancouver
said

It seems like a lot of people do not actually read the article by CTV. Jack Layton is arguing with the Conservative Government to take out a section of the back to work legeslation that sets the Postal Worker's Union wage offer below that what Canada Post ( the employer) has already offerered.Jack is right. Do we want the Government setting wages ? Do we want to take away the democratic right of collective bargaining?I do not want to see that. Good for Jack.


Kevin
said

I am willing to bet real money that if you actually published what the government was offering these posties , all support for them (what little there is left) would immediately vanish under a chorus of cries that they are being paid way too much.


Jeff Wittmann Llb
said

Salary for 2nd year medical resident - $38,000.00Salary for 2nd year postal worker - $42,000.00Unions are ridiculous and they allow some of the most unskilled and unmarketable workers in the country to obtain wages which would otherwise be impossible to get in the real world. Meanwhile 390,000 qualified Canadians are unemployed.Don't stop at back to work legislation. Dissolve the Union entirely and save us all the headaches.


MikefromVictoria
said

It's a lockout not a strike. Instead of bitching about what the CUPW gets, what they banded together and fought for, why don't all you whiners try to stick together and get better wages and benefits for yourself instead of sticking each other in the back by working for cheaper.


John CR.
said

This job requires little more than a strong back and an elementary school education. These people have attempted to hold the country hostage over the years many times and fail to realize that Canada Post is almost redundant. We get and pay our bill and do the majority of our banking over the internet and all we ever get in our post box is flyers. With the new media available the postal carriers should start looking for another line of work.


adrianltg
said

What an "out of touch" fool Layton is showing himself to be. Not only will the postal Unions make themselves obsolete by the time this ends, so many Canadians would have found an alternative to Canada Post that the whole system will be a thing of the past, just like the Dodo Bird and 8 track tape recorders.


Carol
said

I'm tired already of hearing about this strike, these postal workers need to get back to work, or get rid of them and give there jobs to someone who really wants to work, they need to stop there whining about more money. And as for Jack Layton, I was thinking of voting for him in our last election, sure glad I didn't, I hope next time he gets voted out.
Get a life Jack!!!!!!!!!


chuck mule
said

the NDP have a right to keep postal workers out of work as long as possible. CUPW, CUPE, and CAW abandoned the NDP in the 80's and this is payback! Bob Ray and the party was dessimated by the unions and this is the first time in 30 years that the NDP has had enough clout to relly stick it to the Unions. Remember the saying what goes around comes around! Go get em Jack!


Jen
said

Thank God Layton is not the Prime Minister. If he was Canada would be i dire straits as is Greece.


Greg in Cambridge
said

Sad to say but Jack is turning out to be just as bad as Ingatieff at holding up things and costing us money for no reason.Too bad. He had such promise.


Deborah
said

If you read what the Post Office (crown corporation) offered, you will find that their pensions are on the line. The Crown corporation spent all their pension money and now wants to cut pensions. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE FIGHTING ABOUT - LOSS OF PENSIONS!!! My husband is retiring and and we are scared that we will not have enough to live on. Harper doesn't have to worry - he will get a pension and a mansion. I AM SCARED WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAN HELP US? ANY ONE LISTENING OR READING THE CONTRACT? or are you all mornons and want the government to dictate your poverty.


small business in BC
said

Too bad that my comment hasn't been posted earlier... Would love to see my comment, even though it's just another small business owner depending heavily on canada post services and in jeapardy of loosing his good standing in the community, umongst the business partners and obiously his credit score because of overpaid and underskilled lazyheads who think they deserve more to be lazy...I'm fed up with this and hope the Canadians who can vote will pay back what they got from a NDP opposition at the next election... I'm not allowed to vote but have to suffer heavily under the current circumstances... I'm waiting for the cheques which will pay my bills when they arrive in time...


Drew in NS
said

I like the idea of Mon/Wed/Fri Mail delivery, I'll even go on the Tues/Thurs route. Cut the letter carriers in half. I don't mind getting my garbage picked up every two weeks, why not the mail twice a week. Lucy, The Union got some splaing to do


Ricco from Vancouver
said

The problem with back-to-work legislation for Canada Post workers is in the Bills(C6) subjectivity. The Government low balls the wage offer to 1.7% form 1.9% already offered because Canada Post is a cash cow for the Government.Over 200 million goes to general revenue annually. How is that fair to Post workers?


jen
said

The government can legislate back to work but should not be able to legislate a lower wage than what has been offered. The company made the offer what right does the gov. have to amend it lower. Crazy.


Drew in NS
said

NDP forming the official opposition is setting a "terrible precident"


Carolyn
said

I agree with the Prime Minister....The wages should be fair across the board, and I'm thinking the Postal Workers (CUPE) are not as hard done by as they lead us to believe.


nettie
said

I am sure that if these cry babies do not want to accept the proposed wage increase that our young graduates coming out of college and university without jobs would love to have there jobs. Fire them all and hire the grads.


Sam C
said

Jack! If the original offer was so good, then CUPW should have accepted it. The problem with going on strike is that you don't always get what you want. (I'm imagining a Layton-NDP government, legislating the workers back to work BUT with an exceptional wage and benefit package.)


Pokey333
said

Doesn't Jack realize that 85% of Canadians are against the postal union?


steve
said

Yeah fire them all so we can pay people in temporary positions less to do the same job. That will save some of our hard earned tax dollars for our wonderful government to spend elsewhere ... somewhere ... I'm sure they'll give us full disclosure. Hopefully this will echo through the private industry. Those scumbags at fedex, ups and the like are over paid too. Help save the economy with lower paying jobs so people have less to spend in the econo.... wait that doesn't sound right.


Mike
said

Postal workers perform a task that takes minimal education, no skills and the most general manual labor. Despite this, they expect to earn wages and benefits of middle class Canadians who have taken the time to get a post secondary education or learn a skilled trade. Super boxes mean they don't even have to deliver mail, only drive to a box and throw the wrong mail in the wrong slot. Take the increase, get back to work, or give your job to those who would be happy to take it. You get more than your fair share for what you do, so do your job or go find something better.


Ra Hon
said

Shut down the debate (it's legal) and take the vote NOW. No more of this stupid grandstanding by Layton & Co. It was a dark day when Layton and the NDP were elected the opposition! Most Canadians, although they won't admit it publicly, want this settled and the Mail to be delivered, it is HURTING too many small and medium Businesses JACK. Support Canadians not Communists!


kcb
said

Mr. Layton,from what I've been reading the two sides aren't even talking.How much time is needed here.I don't get you Jack?


Zhimmy
said

I laugh at all you Harper supporters here. First of all this place is an island the NDP came second in most ridings even where the Conservative came up the centre...But more so because of your Bush/Reagan economics. You'll be the first here crying that you don't have a pension, that you can't get good health care, that you can afford to send your kid into sports....Excuse me but the "Unions" are ussually the ones that produce wages at jobs that let you live a good life. If you were stupid enough to buy into this extreme form of captialism well..when your kid suffers don't cry here either!


boy
said

take it or leave it. many people got no raise the past year. you are now being selfish!


jim from ottawa
said

I told everyone the minute I heard jacques layton would be official opposition that the only interests he had in parliament were quebec, the french, special interest groups, afghan detainees, useless union employees, the green scheme and more perks for refugees. Right on all counts so far and he has been in there a month. Don't know if it is disgusting, revolting, pitiful or all of the above. Thank God he isn't in power.


J.S.
said

To all the anti union people with their mis-informed comments... The union chose a rotating strike to ensure that the people of this country would still get their mail. This was done so they could pressure the company to bargain in good faith. After 11 days the company locked 48000 postal workers out, wich is what stopped our mail. So keep trashing unions, and our governments will keep siding with employers. Then maybe companies will be able to convince the government that canadians don't need weekends, or WSIB, or OHS, becase its to expensive and cuts into million dollar salaries of the executives. FOOLS.


Ian
said

Asking for 3% per year is insulting not only to the people who make minimum wage in Canada but to other workers who have to settle for wage freezes, cutbacks (auto workers) or minimal increases of 1.5%.


Matt Hinds
said

I say give their jobs to people who will appreciate having SECURE employment - they obviously don't.


Doug
said

Jack needs to figure out why he and his people were elected; not for his legislative ability, his experienced members, his agenda, his plan for Canada... oh lets see was it simply an anti Liberal/Bloc protest?

Before he sticks his nose it what he can't handle he should "think".


Diane
said

Who cares what Layton thinks? The man is the south end of a north bound horse. All he ever does is grandstand and at the end of the day he has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the debate except more of the same political socialist spin. This guy is boring Canadians to tears.


Andrew in Dundas
said

Hundred's of thousands of highly qualified Canadians are out of work. How do you think they feel watching these cry babies? I challenge any Union member who feels they deserve more to obtain it in the private sector. Not so easy, is it?


jane
said

What a pompous idiot Layton is! I don't see him giving up his salary or lavish expense account to help out the people of Canada! So, what does he really care about the working class. No one, including the postal workers will gain anything from this strike! What they are loosing during this strike they will never gain back!


Jack, try to focus on Canada and the economy and what's best for all of Canada including the postal workers, instead of your own personal goal - grandstanding!



Paul R
said

Being "economically important" as the union stated means to me they are an essential service. Essential services cannot strike.The post office is essential to the government because too many lazy Canadians won't register for their cheques and taxes online with electronic banking. The amount of money the government has pumped into the internet and public access programs need to pay off. Harper should force Canadians online and forget about the post office....


Jay
said

Good for the Government! Personally, I have no use for unions and a vast matority of Canadians also mirror my sentiment.

If the Union is not going to bargain fairly and properly represent their members, then the way should be paved for them to no longer exist.


Pointless
said

...renders collective bargaining "pointless." Now you're starting to clue in Jack. In fact substitute "unions" where ever collective bargaining appears. Hard working Canadians, Jack can speak for themselves. Hard working Canadians are a proud and capable lot. They don't need unions to speak for them. It's 2011, not 1911


jecont
said

Jack and all union supporters.The wage issue is a concern for may posties, but should there not be some blame taken by the executive, who in their own judgement, received the offer and did not allow for the members to vote. I have never been involved in a unionised work force, but would like to try to understand why any and all offers made by the company are not presented to the union members, who incidentally pay large for the privillege of belonging to CUPW.(50000 x 70/mo x 12 = 42,000,000).To all posties remember that number , 42 million, taken from your pay to feed CUPW.


MS in Ottawa
said

Get these lazy posties back to work!! Who do they think they are trying to get raises while most of the people on the planet are gratefull to even have a job. Especially since Cnada Post is a dying business. The posties union is even worse!!


PinVICTORIA
said

Business owners need to get with the times! There are coutless ways to send invoices and receive payments that do not involve mail!!!!! You can accept Visa/MC, set up a Paypal account, get a bank transfer - it's money right into your account. And, truth be told, I have used Fed Ex and Purolator and they are faster and in most cases cheaper than Canada Post's comparable services. If they don't want to have new workers get a decent wage that is more than most Canadians make (more than double the minimum wage in most provinces) then they should find another job. That's what most of us do, if we don't like our job.


WatchDawg
said

At the rate the NDP are falling in the polls, I would take listening to the endless sepratist rants and we the liberal ruling party of Canada of, Mess'rs Duceppe and Ingnatiuf over Jack et al


PEI Fella
said

Why is this still going on? No one here is talking about this strike and if they are they're mocking the union and the postal workers "picketing" outside of the post office. Why don't they just fire them all and hire others to do the same job for a fraction of the price. I know lots of people who would do those easy jobs for $12 or $15 gladly. Especially if they get those cushy benefits.


Bob
said

I don't really like Harper, but I must admit, he got this one right !I hope he takes on the other over paid union employees who are funded by our tax dollars !


brian lethbridge
said

its about time the mail get back to normal.this strike should of not even happened. the government should of intervened when the lockout occurred and brought in letter carriers to do their job.the mail must go through. its a crown corp.i am on the government side on this one...


Redneckvic
said

Maybe it is time to privatize Canada Post then we would not have these problems. Does anybody know the true meaning of NDP ( Canada the new welfare state where we the government pay for everything and get a great wage to boot and all you have to pay is 50% in tax;s back to the government!


Shauna from St. Paul, Alberta
said

I've read so many comments from people that the Canada Post workers need to get back to work, or else get fired and hire people that will work. I think what you're all forgetting, is that when the workers were on strike, they were only doing rotating strikes. Mail was still getting out, and Canadians weren't very affected by it. Canada Post Corp. however made the decision to lock the workers out and put a stop to all mail delivery. They're the ones that have caused this trouble for everyone, not the workers! It seems so easy for everyone here to believe what Canada Post Corp is feeding to the media. It's not the workers that are causing you not to get your mail. It's the corporation!


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Greed isn't confined to corporations and business executives. Unions enthusiastically employ it regularly. CUPW represents a whole mess of lowly-skilled laborers who, were they not greedy, socioeconomically unrealistic and even delusional, would be content with the wage INCREASE that they're slated to get, undeservedly.


austin
said

Don't blame the workers on this. Blame Canada Post. Why is Canada Post lying to the public about losing millions and millions when in fact they are still saving and making money. Remember Purolator Courier and e-post are run by Canada Post. Support the workers and not Canada Post. Harper screw your head on straight and quit sucking you know what at Canada Post


Fred
said

Hypocritical of the Conservative party don't you think? OC Transpo in Ottawa was on strike for almost 3 months and the government didn't say boo.


Raymond
said

I call it a GREAT precedent. Fire them & hire non-unionized replacements. It worked for Reagan 30 years ago.


Jim in Ontario
said

The NDP needs to be cut loose from union bosses, if it ever hopes to form a government. Layton is out to lunch siding with CUPW here.


ROSS
said

Please privatise the mail. I do not have a pension I went to college for 3 years. I have faced lay off. what have these people faced oh I know, they missed lunch one day out of 365 due to work


WestofTheRockies
said

It's payback time for the NDP. Now they're doing the bidding of their traditional supporters - Big Unions. They're really not there for the little guy. Most of the jobs in this country are with small business who rely soley on Canada Post to deliver their income - payables and send invoices. But hey, they don't belong to unions and therefore they don't fund the NDP. Now elected, all the sweet nothings promised by Jackie boy, his shills and stand-ins, mean squat. You get what you vote for. Look for 4 years of Big Labour running the NDP opposition


geebee
said

What's "a terrible precedent" is once again having Jack Layton in subsidized housing. This time it's the entire country paying for his rhetorical nonsense.


Mr.Sarcastic
said

Yes! Get them back to work! Take away their rights and force them back to work because it inconveniences everyone else! We're not the selfish ones! They are for wanting fair pay and benefits! How dare they! Give them minimum wage and make it so they have difficulty making ends meet! Or privatize everything and take away their jobs completely and put them on the street so we can then complain about the amount of homeless people on the street!


JCO
said

I find it odd that the media has not picked up on the fact that, while losing millions in income from Canada Post, they are costing Canadian taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars to keep all House and Senate employees working while this is being debated. Since the debate runs 24-hours, that means overtime on statutory holidays, weekends, and overnight. And there are many departmental employees that are working until the debate ends as well, costing even more money in overtime. Why is this not being discussed?? At the very least, the Conservatives should be putting it out there that keeping the debate running when both sides have agreed they are at an impasse, is fiscally irresponsible.


Peter in mb
said

Most of the time a (back to work) legislation is directed towards the employer and not the workers. I think that the government is telling the CEO of Canada post, the board and executive to settle with the union or there will be a new CEO and board and executive that will.


Emma
said

Hope that Jack Layton would do something sensible and mature, instead of choosing a stance just because it is opposite of Raitt's.


Ben from Winnipeg
said

Has anyone ever asked a letter carrier how many hours they actually work to get paid for an 8 hour shift? So glad the majority government we voted in will soon be sending them back to work.


Mark in Newmarket
said

The nice thing about this is that now there is a strike, all of my bills have magically stopped coming. Thanks Jack!


CalgaryBrad
said

Jeez people, get with the 21st century. if you are relying on Canada Post to send and receive invoices or payments you are bound to lose money, just in wasted time and effort. Electronic invoicing and EFT have been around for a while now. Even in rural Canada there is at least SOME internet connectivity, albeit sometimes I am sure it is slow. Canada Post will still deliver your flyers, eventually. But even then the internet provides a better way to reach the masses. If and when they finally decide to eliminate postal service altogether it will not be a loss, other than to the people who actually work for them.


imacaper
said

Mr. Layton you have made your point. Now you are just delaying the inevitable and in the process you are killing small business owners like me. My bills all come via e-mail but my customer payments come via CP. Vote now and lets get the mail moving!


Lee
said

Of course the NDP will drag this out as long as possible. Jack just wants to keep giving our tax dollars away. I mean come on, a 9% raise and they already get too many holidays. I'm still serving the Canadian Forces and after 32 years I still only get 5 weeks a year. Why should a new Postal Worker get more. If I get a raise at some time I'm sure it will be in the order of less than 2% total for the next two or three years. I would love 2.25 per year! But I guess I'd have to put on a different uniform for that. (like shorts and comfy shoes)


sandalista
said

What is the current avg. hourly wage of a postal worker today? I think it is $ 23 or so an hour. There are many Canadians who have to work for half that.And what is the qualification of a letter carrier anyways? Being literate and having two legs? Give it a rest unions! Lets fire the ones who don't like their contract and replace them with eager workers who would like to get a job for 18 bucks an hour! Saves money for the tax payers and gets greatful people working for Canada Post.


Paul B
said

I have a great idea. Privatise postal service, Province by Province. We can have a skeleton force of CP workers that would handle the national and international mail. I bet we would see service like they have in most other western nations - fast, efficient and inexpensive AND NO UNION! The worlds first mail service was in the UK, Royal Mail - even they are now privatising unyet they were one of the most efficient in the world. Bust the union and start winding CP down. We can do this over the next 5 years. Is everyone with me on this?


Average Canadian in NS
said

What happened to Jack standing up for the ordinary canadians like he said he would? Instead he is looking out for his own interests instead of what he promised to do. Cut the crap Jack, your no different then the average MP in Ottawa. I guess your union buddies are more important to you then those canadians that you "promised" to stand up for. (small business owners and seniors to name a few) These guys are the opposition right, it sounds like they think they are running the country.


Tired in Ottawa
said

From everything I've read, the government wants the postal workers back to work, the majority of the striking workers want to go back to work, but the union is holding out for an 11% increase and 7 weeks of vacation. I think they need lessons on today's reality and how the economy works! The only one not losing anything in this strike, and any other, are the union. Personally, I'm tired of their power struggle.


smitty11
said

If the NDP want to stall the "Back to Work" bill, maybe they should get out and start delivering the mail instead of wasting taxpayers time and money.


Lily
said

If the talks have irretrievably broken down - WHY is Jack Layton delaying back to work legislation so they can have more time to talk???Delaying tactics are paid for by us Jack the TAXPAYERS...The people you are supposed to be representing!


Shoeman
said

Jack in the box...Harper may have won a majority, but it is not a majority of the Canadian people. He got about 40% of the votes, out of about 60% of voters.Do the math and that equals up to about 7.7 million people out of over 32 million.So with this in mind, the majority of people do NOT back Harper.


Shoe
said

Time to say good bye to unions. Their time has LONG passed...


PostRobot
said

If back-to-work legislation is not passed, at least get the DIY legislation PASSED!!
DIY (Deliver It Yourself)!!!!
Why not let the people pick up their needed mails. PLEASE do that whenever CANADAPOST is on strike so ever often!


KRSinHFX
said

This is SILLY - both sides are not talking, everyone knows that they will be legislated back to work, end of story. I understand the Liberals and NDP want to pose and posture that they are against the bill, but do they really have to filibuster until the last GD minute? WE GET IT - now move on, do your complaining in the House of Commons but keep it short, most Canadians want the mail to resume!!! Mr. Layton, your opposition is DULY NOTED for the record now sit down and be quiet.


D.K. Lindsay
said

Jack Layton says he is stalling this back to work legislation to allow both sides to reach an agreement. I guess they do not talk to Jack.JACK THE TALKS HAVE BROKEN DOWN AND BOTH SIDE SAY THAT THEY WILL NOT AGREE.For pete's sake let the vote happen.


Dixie from Alberta
said

That's about all the power Jack has...stalling. Have at it sport if it makes you feel good. I don't miss the junk mail at all.


Mike
said

I can't stand Layton. What a showboat , he is now and peopel complain about Harper being arrogant. What does all of this accomplish?


M.M.B. Ont
said

There must be some way the Speaker of the House can put astop to this debate and call for a vote on this matter. Jack Layton is making a complete ass of himself and his party. What an idiot. Plain to see who he really supports and it is not Canadians who don't hold union cards.! If Jack wants to continue in this manner, let us hope the taxpayers will not be providing coffee, or snacks or even dinner or breakfast for him and his group while they debate.


MikeInBC
said

Let me see. The legislation includes a raise for the Canada Post employees. Sure wish they would legislate a raise in my pension as I watch my cost of living rise year after year with all these raises in salaries and products and services.And these guys currently get a 7 week vacation...What do they think they are teachers?


CasBMedia
said

Hey Jacko - congratulations. My business is out of money and if I don't get my cheques in the mail in time for next Wednesday, I have to close doors and 14 staff will be temporarily unemployed. To everyone else - wouldn't it be great to start a class action against CP, CUPW and Jacko for interferring with our mail - it is against the law isn't it! Unions are DONE. Imagine, if Jacko got his own way, minimum wage might be something like $20/hr - whoopeee - but guess what Jacko - inflation would be astronomical so no-one would be any better off. I can see why your a politician (barely) and not a math or economics teacher!


the purple helmet
said

please read ... this is a lock out not a strike, the union was doing its best not to inconvenience Business in Canada but Canada post with no business sense decides to lock out the workers.Ask yourself what does more damage? The CEO should be fired with all his cronies!


Dave in Ottawa
said

Perhaps the striking postal workers can get part time jobs on Parliament Hill. If they have any carpentry or masonry skills they can work on the project of widening all the doors so that Jack Layton's head will fit through them.


Rex
said

I'm waiting for results of medical tests that were supposed to arrive by mail :-(


Rick
said

What about all those employees that were laid off because small business is not getting their cheques and not able to ship their product by post. Jack, dont you care about these people? I bet these people do not have a pension, paid sick days, or paid 15% more then others with similar jobs. Working for Canada post is a sweet job. Jack, why are you fighting for the rich who are overpaid by 15% and not for the people who are laid off due to the strike you are prolonging.


John
said

Thank God we have a Conservative majority!! My god just imagine an NDP Gov. Nothing much worst than a socialist.


UofTstudent
said

Thanks for holding up my OSAP money asshats


Brian
said

Why does it seem like union workers only whine and complain for more money and less work expected from them? If I don't like my job or the pay I just look for a different job/career. Wake up postal workers, because we really don't need to keep all of you employed ever since the internet works for us cheaper then all of you... It's time for unions to go!!!


hard to beleaf
said

And the fact remains, how can you have a union with any power when the employer is essentially the government? Its built to fail.


mike
said

The NDP is a joke of a party, They do not care about the average canadian that is trying to support a home business or people that depend on the postal to communicate with family far away. sure technology has taken some of the work load but for alot of us technology is still too expensive compared to regular mail. Oh some of you say the workers do not get fair wages? I am sorry but at 16-22 dollars/hours you are at about the same level as university grads with degrees which most of the postal workers do not have. come on people there are alot of people who would be overwhelmed to do letter carrying for half -75 percent of that wage. your demands are laughable at best and no wonder the union can not get a deal done.


Marion
said

HEY SB! Were you away they taught punctuation, and spelling, in school? Maybe you should proof read your typing before you click on the submit button?? Really makes your comments look worthless!


Van
said

Living in rural Ontario, we too are feeling the hit of no payments coming in to this small business. I can send invoices out by email but the payments are held hostage unless someone drops a cheque in themselves. This is unacceptable and I really hope Jack gets off his high horse and lets the bill through so the mail can start flowing again. Enough!


Darengo
said

Canada Post likely needed a correction in their operation anyway. I would find it hard to believe that e-mail and texting haven't taken a big chunk out of their bottom line.And this certainly doesn't make Layton any kind of hero.Go back and look at Layton's spending BEFORE he became opposition leader. It's scary.I like Jack too, but if he's the everyday little man fighting for the everyday little man, I wouldn't mind making everyday little man kind of money.


Non Union Man
said

Get rid of the unions, Canada Post, USGE they are all in it for the union name and not members.


RJ in Halifax
said

What is it that the NDP and Jack Layton don't get? The union claims there is no incentive to go back to the negotiating table to work out a deal and also claims the CPC is simply stalling until the legislation is passed. If so, stalling the debate accomplishes absolutely nothing. Giving people more time to work out the issues when the people themselves say there is no more reason to meet makes no sense. Jack, accept that the legislation is going to pass, accept that you, as a party, have made a reasonable effort to get your party's opinion across and move on.


Gord
said

I am waiting for a pension check it won't be delivered because it is not a gov't pension, they get to choose what pension checks they get to deliver, they should be deemed essential services and sent back to work


Chelsea
said

And this is why I didnt vote for Jack Layton and the NDP!!!


RG
said

Jack Layton seems to not understand there are people who are suffering financially by not having Canadapost workers back at work. I have a small business, and my supplies are still in the mail - that I purchased back in May... my customers - thankfully my long term customers are willing to wait for their stuff. But I am losing new customers due to canadapost right now. So while it may seem like it is only affecting those workers - its like small businesses have gone on strike too - when we don't want to and can't afford to. Please send them back to work!


Peter
said

It isn't the union that closed the doors of the post office - they chose only rotating strikes that didn't cause huge problems.It was the Post Office that locked the workers out and shut down the system! They should be penalized, not the union.


Trisch
said

First off - I didn't agree with the striking in the first place however a lot of the general public do not realize that these workers actually want to be back at work and not all of them actually supported going on strike in the first place. Originally they voted against one of the first offers from Canada Post. Since then, multiple revisions have been made to the offer but their union has not let them vote on any of them so the actual workers have not had a say in most of this - IT WAS ALL THE UNION. Jack needs to let this go so that they can go back to work and start earning their normal wages again as strike pay isn't all it's cracked up to be. The union and the media are having a hay day with this situation and the ones that matter being Canada Post, their workers and THEIR CUSTOMERS are the ones suffering from it in the end. Enough is enough!


lowaitok
said

Wait til the LOYAL OPPOSITION PARTY becomes a government in real

the whole country will be paralysed by ALL the "legitimate" job actions,played out by the organised union.

JUST A THOUGHT only,thank GOD


Emma
said

These unions are quite unbelievable. I used to hear that they're fair and good, representing the honest hard-working people. I think they're operating behind this front. Quite greedy and disruptive with our mails held hostage. They should understand that everybody works hard and tackle all sorts of challenges in their occupation, not just them. Stop being cry babies, they know they have decent jobs in the first place.


Harper to the Rescue
said

What's that in sky? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No! it's Stephen Harper! He's come to battle the evil Jack Layton and his Union Thugs as they hold the Country of Canada hostage. Stay tuned for more super hero action...


John
said

July 2010 mail a letter to Toronto from Windsor - 30 days to get there; parcel mailed to me fromToronto 14 days; letter mailed to Winnipeg 8 days letter mailed from Winnipeg 8 daysLock-out /strike whatever you call it - time to get rid of this outdated shoddy excuse for a corporation.


charlie
said

".... the NDP can delay the bill as long as there are New Democrat MPs in the House of Commons to speak about the legislation." Well, that should end shortly, many have final exams coming up, don't they?


Richard
said

If CanadaPost is an essential service, for the good of the country, 'the mail must go through.'
They have to be legislated back to work and it's too bad for CUPW to work for such a necessary entity.

However, if CanadaPost is NOT essential, let union and management hash things out.

The worst thing that can happen is six months after it collapses, we will be using a set of coherent private enterprise replacements.



charlie
said

Keep up the good work, Jack! Delay that back to work bill as long as you can. Fight for the rights of the over-paid and over-pensionned postal workers. Might be a few (very few) votes in it for the NDP. Ramp up the inconvenience to small business and those who still depend on the mail service as much as you can, in the name of some principle that most care little about and fewer can have sympath with. Jack Layton and the NDP (and their socialist tactics) - the best thing the Conservatives could ever hope for!


Heather
said

This is what we can expect when Canadians vote in the union butt-kissing NDP as the official opposition. Jack Layton is no friend of the middle class and I wouldn't vote for his party if it was the ONLY party. (If it was the only party, I'd have to move to another country.)


steveo
said

The global economy will pass us by as Jack continues to project unions who serve no purpose but thier own agenda. Jack - way to encourage bad behaviour and the entitlement to raises and job security with little skill.


Karen Brubacher
said

Does the NDP think about the mothers out there that get their child tax benifit by mail. it's going to hit them hard if there low income get back to work think of the others that are in need!!!


Carole
said

Mr Layton claims to care about seniors! What about all the seniors without internet, unable to access their bills and or make their payments on time, contact family, access non government funds, etc because of the strike!


Danetta
said

At least most everyone agrees that Jack Layton should shut up and let the legislation go thru...also,to Group1, the postal workers did go on strike first and then CP locked them out, so you get it correct ok....and yes, bottom line here is the only ones who are going to get anything out of this are the upper echelon (bonuses) you betcha, and how much do you think the workers who are striking are getting every week (about $175) how's that for an increase in their salary,...they will surely pay all that back WHEN they get back to work...I think it's time we said GOOD-BYE to the unions....


D Fraser
said

As a small business owner I send parcels via Canada Post and am shut down. The NDP are dragging this out to look good to the unions and costing me huge money in lost sales. They do not care about small business. Since they are only the opposition due to votes in quebec, perhpas the quebec small business owners need to rethink their vote.

Why does it cost $12 to ship a parcel in my own major city and $7 to ship the same parcel to the US. Canada post gouges Canadians and I wonder how much of that is due to the union croonies who get paid $26 hr, plus per piece for junki mail, plus a full eight hours for working six, PLUS they go back to the depot and work a few hours overtime. It is a crown corporation, but the workers seem to think they are civil servants.

Get back to work


bumblebuns
said

I want my flyers. The bottom of the birdcage is getting a bit unpleasant.


Aaron in Toronto
said

When this strike is over, would Canada Post be force to offer overtime for the worker due to the backlog?


Denise
said

Funny how Jack Layton is all about the wealthy unions - what about the untold numbers of regular Canadians, many of them small business owners who play a significant role in Canada's economy - the same Canadians who are always held hostage, undergo great hardship, even losing their businesses over the antics of labour unions, whose job it is, for the most part, to encourage that "hard done by" attitude on the part of its members. No sympathy from me, Jack!


Snapper
said

Canada Post should be thanking the government for legislating them back to work before we figure out we really don't need them anymore.


SB
said

I'm so very proud of Jack Layton for everything he is doing to help the union people...and to those who protest against them shame on you all what these people want is decent wages & fair pension the cost of living is going up all the time & salary is hardly budging if you want to attack people attack the one's who his in the parliament with the big wages & acting like kids we the tax payers are paying for them to be off all summer as well let me tell you one thing the conservative government will never get my vote shame on you for going after the people who is trying to make a living....


Jack in The Box
said

Maybe while the NDP are exhausting all political avenues of delaying the inevitable Mr. Layton can look up who is paying the bill. Jack Layton is clearly demonstrating his contempt for the will of the majority of Canadians and his total disregard for the value of government time and resources. Is this the best use of your time Jack, as paid for by all Canadian taxpayers? Just answer the question!


Anthony
said

What is there to debate ? If they do not like their secure jobs, let them go and join private sector, if they have any qualifications to start with.. Nobody is irreplaceable !


trish
said

What is happening with Canada Post is devastating many small businesses - mine included . Being located in a rural area and having a small business (making employment for myself in a location where there is none) I rely on CP for supplies and to send out sales - there have been no sales for weeks - or supplies - as courier service to our area is not available (or astonomically expensive when available). Canada is made up of millions of small business owners....I wonder how others are fairing.


Joe
said

Making Jack Layton and the NDP the opposition party is proving to be the biggest mistake us Canadians have ever had. Now I am no fan of the Conservatives and Steven Harper but at least they realize how important Canada Post is to the people that actually use it. I don't mean the ones on here complaining it means nothing and complain about the junk mail. I mean Canada Posts real customers that do depend on it. The longer the NDP continues to delay this bill by arguing about it the more and more Canadians will start to turn against his party. His first name might be Jack but his last name shouldn't be Layton if you get what I mean.


chel in the Peg
said

Jack, you're not in college/university anymore. Stop schmoozing with the unions and start behaving like a leader that represents all Canadians. Sincerely, "working Canadian"


wanna get back to work in MB
said

Enough already, I am sick and tired of this childlike bickering better the union and CPC, and between the politicians. As a letter carriers who truly loves his work, and feels that we had a good deal before, I wanna get back to work serving the public that pays me!!!!


Peter Lesperance
said

As I agree with some posters as to the postal service being essential I don not agree when they say they shouldn't have the right to strike but I will say they shouldn't have the right to lockout mail completely and the postal workers were doing just that they were doing rolling strikes and to be honest a day here or there on my packages for my business was not really hurting but this total blackout of mail is hurting and badly.The NDP need to look at the facts Canada Post and the CUPW can't reach an agreement and have cut talks off and now both sides are waiting for the government to act so Jack if you or your assistants look at the web at all for what the public is saying shut up and let the bill pass have a look at the Canada Post website it says it right there they are not trying to cut a deal anymore so just stay out of it or vote and make it happen today to the government you gave them 24 hours and it is over time to act get them back to work before we can never recover from this please


edward
said

Thanks to a greedy union, and the govt. postal workers will end up with less then startted out with, and any thing saved in wages and benefits by CP will go towards bonuses to CEO,S and other top managers.


Marie
said

The money Canada Post is losing everyday as a result of this stupid strike should come out of Jack Layton's salary.

Come on Jack, people who voted for you do not support this postal strike.


Convenient Timing
said

Isn't it convenient that the official opposition leader is taking this stance for the unions and against the small business owner? Perhaps because we just had an election and he is hoping the small business owner will forget all about it in 3-4 years time. The unions never forgive and they never forget. Run and hide under their banner or face their wrath Jacky boy. I'm sure if the federal election was next week he'd be humming an entirely different tune.


Anna
said

I am a small business owner and some of my customers mailed their checks just before the strike started. Therefore (even I am willing to) I cannot make arrangement using a courier and get my checks; they are stacked somewhere at Canada Post.
I will not be able to make payroll, unless I receive at least some of my checks before the end of the month.
I cannot support the union, when I work twelve hours a day and sick leave or anything like that have never been an option.
These people (union workers) have no idea about the “real life” out there for most of us.




David
said

There is more than enough people without jobs in this country to fill the gaps. If you fired 100 workers an hour until they went back to work, the mail would be flowing within a day. If not you may see a revolt against the very union these postal workers supported. Sounds good to me. What unemployed person wouldn't mind getting a generous paycheque and benefits for getting daily exercise. And what about those few hundred that will lose jobs? its unfortunate, but not as unfortunate as the 100s of small business on the brink of insolvency due to this problem, and it would mean that 100s of unemployed people would get the chance to work that these union members spurned. maybe it would do them good to be without a job for a while...see what they're taking for granted.


ted`
said

so much for the constitution!!! The new CEO is trying to break the union so the mail service can be out sourced to his homeland like the phitelic centers. The only thing that will be kept in Canada is the phone numbers. Mail will be by courier service by 8 dollar an hour drivers....just like the cab drivers....long live democracy!!


Salt and Vinegar
said

I have email billing so I am only waiting for my 3 weeks worth of junk mail to show up at once. I can't wait !!!


colleen
said

I would like to comment on "soop"'s comment that canada post is cheaper and more economical - I think not. Many times, pricing out items to ship out nationally or internationally canada post always costs double of everyone else. Maybe it is not like this in other cities, but for me with what I am shipping my experience is canada post is not affordable at all. I am a supporter of canada post. But if for my business and my personal items, I have to go through the trouble to change everything to internet and online banking, I won't be utilizing Canada Postal services anymore - for anything other then junk mail and they can keep that.


Ariel Louwrier
said

I run a small biotech start up business. We rely on the post to get our cheques in for products we have sold worldwide. Right now that's come to a grinding halt, and I am sure that we are not alone. Faced with the same issues all Canadian manufacturers have with the low value of the US dollar that we bill in, and having our revenue cut off by the strike has got to be wrong - seeing that small businesses are the driving force of innovation and ultimately growth and employment in Canada this could cost jobs, jobs and more jobs. I thought Canada Post works for us. Back to work!!


Cory
said

Canada post needs to get back to work! This isn't some company that only effects a few hundred people, this strike effects the entire Country and every man and woman in it. They should be able to negotiate while still providing the people with mail. It makes me so upset that in this day and age there's not other way to peacefully and professionally negotiate. The economy is bad enough, people need the postal service for tons of different reasons, and this needs to end ASAP. Get back to work guys!


Old Ted
said

Jack Layton thinks he represents us, the middle class. He doesn't. Now, Preston Manning I could go along with any time, as he is one of the most astute people in Canada. It's just a shame that Canadians vote for image rather than substance.


Javagirl
said

I'm tired of hearing comments from people who say we don't need postal mail. I run a small business and many of my rural customers are not set up for electronic payments. As well, what about charities?? Have any of you who say we don't need mail ever been inside the mail room of a large company? Not needing snail mail is fine if you are a person who can use the Internet to pay bills and that is all you require, but that is only a small part of the population. An iPhone can only take you so far in life...


Pierre Spruce Grove AB
said

The workers (I and you most people who right comments here)are denied our right to a collective agreement! The recession was not caused by the workers who produce goods and purchase them with the money they earn! It was caused by the banks who sold houses to people who had no money to pay it back! Nothing has changed there, meaning the samething could and I predict will happen as there were no changes to the rules that allowed this to happen! The economy needs people who make enough money to purchase goods. Without that it does not function as the bursting bubble demonstrated. But now the workers are told that not only will they pay for this with their tax dollars but with losses on their pay! Don’t forget that the wages you earn today (unionized or not) is only because unions have fought for it nothing else. WAKE UP PEOPLE YOU ARE BEING ROBBED OF YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING IT!!! Keep up the good fight Brothers and Sisters of the Postal Workers Union and the NDP!


Steve
said

LOCK OUT not a strike


Dean in Abby
said

Shut it down! When one door closes, another one opens. People will adapt and find other means to communicate. These people and their union MANAGERS are a joke. Oh well, at least the union agents etc have their wages and benefits still coming. It's too bad that unions love the "sheep" mentality. If the members were so inclined, they could already have been back to work. The problem is that Lemelin and his cronies have over-inflated egos to satisfy and can't see reason here. I guess they get paid anyway so, whatever..


Brian
said

Jack Layton is now showing his true colours by supporting a small group of people versus what's best for all Canadians and in particular the many that need mail such as all those without computers and those that have small business's.


Elaine
said

Going on 3 weeks without mail is crazy! I'm waiting for the HST cheque, bills, sending cards to people which they're not getting so it defeats the purpose sending them. It is not fair that I have to call every utility company and credit card I use to find out my balance and amount owing so I am not past due. This is something I have to do on company time. For companies to say it is my duty to pay even during a strike and then advise me to do all bill payments on-line and receive bills on-bill...what discount are you going to give me for not having to mail me a bill? What assurance do I have that someone won't hack into the site and steal more of my information? I've alraedy had info stolen because of a lost memory stick in Durham while getting a flu shot the other year, then my Air Miles and other cards were hacked recently so people have all of my card numbers, OHIP number, and my name and address. Can we do anything else to encourage hackers to have a great job without having to leave home? Can we make it any easier and cheaper for companies to make a buck? Companies already want to do a direct debit from your account if they can for all bills. Legistate the Postal workers back to work like you promised!


BC Pensioner
said

What a lot of people including Mr Layton do not know (Or chose to ignore) is that there are thousands of people living in Canada who rely on Canada Post to receive their Pension and Pay Cheques from other countries. I have not heard anyone address this issue. As far as I'm concerned get them back to work or hire new people.


Tim
said

We are a Canadian Independent Online Store (BUYCDNOW) selling books, CDs, DVDs etc. Unfortunately, we cannot replace Canada Post with a courier service as it's much more expensive and inconvenient for most customers who live in remote locations.
Canada Post is an essential service and they should not be allowed to strike in my opinion. I am very disappointed with NPD trying to delay the bill. Isn't it obvious that Canadian people and businesses need this service as soon as possible. Every day of delay costs millions of dollars, pain and frustration. Enough of discussions. Let's get back to work!!! Don't hurt the economy anymore.


Charles Ryer
said

A lot of people are calling this NOT a strike. In reality this is still a strike situation. CP locked the workers out because they were performing a rotation of strikes. While some people think that this is better then no postal service at all, it is better for us to know that the mail is not coming then having to wonder if it will.

The government has full rights to make Canada post re-open it's doors and force the workers to stop the strikes. we need this service on a daily basis.

I agree that this service should be placed in with the other essential services. and that a strike vote not be allowed in the future. Air canada strike.. big deal fly on another carrier.... but canada post is the only mail service in canada (unless you want to pay 25 bucks to send a letter vis Dicom)

as for political parties delaying the action of the gov't This is just a waste of time we pay them a lot of money to discuss a lot more stupid things. Pass the bill get it done and get on with life and work.


Sandra M
said

I have a small business and depend on Canada Post on a daily basis. I have lost my income and will not be able to survive much longer like this. It is unfair to the rest of Canada that these greedy unions hold us hostage like this. We will all learn a valuable lesson when half of them lose their jobs because mail is down 60%. Things are different now, it is time to do away with unions for good!

And for those know-it-alls that suggest using courier companies, it is 2-3x more expensive plus they charge very expensive brokerage fees for over the border shipping. It's not an option.


kin
said

I voted NDP and learned my lesson. NEVER AGAIN! I will work hard next election to make sure socialist Jack will be bumped back to third place where he belongs.


Self Employed and Proud of it!
said

I used to work for Canada Post back in the mid 1980's before moving on to start my own business. It was the EASIEST job I ever had! I got paid for 8 hours (no matter what), but only worked 6 hours on average.Canada Post employees are LAZY and selfish, as are the case with most public union employees!If anything, they should be getting a pay DECREASE for the little work that they do!Get Back To Work!!!!! Stop thinking of yourselves! You are hurting the ecomomy and small businesses!


scott nova scotia
said

I'm glad this will keep them in office longer, they get paid too much for the time they actually work.


Bryan
said

Canada Post and Union management should NOT be paid during this national hostage taking. Or at the least, have their pay cheques mailed to them. While we’re at it lets mail all MP cheques as well.


Teresa
said

There are still many people who would love to work for Canada post for even less than these people already receive. If you don't want to work and you just want to sulk, then give other Canadians your well paying jobs!! In our society today, everyone is lucky to have a job and should think about that.


wayne in NS
said

YES make the them( MPs) work the whole summer ! I have to work they should too!


Vinnie
said

Thanking CUPW for getting women maternity leave? C'mon, give me a break. Protecting workers' rights is one thing, but holding the public hostage for greedy demands is something else. How many ordinary people suffer from this work stoppage? Posties should be ordered back to work, quickly.


EZ
said

Boohoohoo. Absolutely no sympathy for unionized workers! In this instance - Canada Post employees. Usual union-mended double standards in abundance, i.e., it's ok for us to participate in rotating strikes but not ok to lock us out in reponse. What a hoot!!! You're just upset they beat you to the punch before a full blown strike ensued. But, you all continue to pay your high union dues which, of course, will once again be increased. Go ahead, let the unions use you for their own political gains. What do you REALLY gain vs what the union bosses gain? What a bunch of sheep!
Harper needs to declare mail delivery an essential service and get these cry babies back to work and rid them of their union-instilled sense of entitlement.


Redneck Albertan
said

Just get those clowns back on the job already. I and many other small business owners depend on cheques that are delivered through the mail system. If we do not receive payments, we cannot make payments. If you're a postal worker and you no longer enjoy the terms of employment, quit!


fed up
said

When then suddenly Jack Layton cares about the working stiff?, he ignore that young woman who stood up to Harper by showing a sign "stop Harper" and went against her in the House Of Commons.

This man is nothing but an hypocrite and a typical politician only cares for himself and to me his words are not worth nothing because he pretends he care but he does not.


PostalWorker65
said

Canada Post has maintained a hard line position designed by former CPC President Moya Greene before she abandoned Canada Post to go to the UK and receive 780,000 pounds to privatize the Royal Mail. After she left, Prime Minister Harper appointed Deepak Chopra to be the President of CPC.

Canada Post insists that they do not want the post office to be a burden to tax payers, however they never admit that they pay millions of dollars in dividends to the federal government every year for the past 15 years and is not funded by tax payers dollars!

Since then, CPC has refused to bargain, stopped all mail delivery by locking out their employees, and done everything possible to provoke back-to-work legislation. During negotiations since October 2010, the union has been met by a brick wall of corporate greed.

It appears that the Conservative Government and Canada Posts relationship will give them the unfair advantage in this fight.



Wanda
said

Pass the bill already! Enough is enough! I am so tired of hearing about this union striking and that union striking, doesn't anybody work and/or take pride in their work anymore? They are all luck I'm not in charge, I would have fired the whole lot and hired people who actually want and need to work.And to those of you who keep saying "CPC locked us out, we want to work", seriously????? Do you honestly think anyone believes that load of BS?!?!?! GET BACK TO WORK!!!


Marcel Discusted With
said

Layton has not changed. This lock-out / strike has affected many small businesses. The postal service is part of the Canadian fabric why should the NDP choose union over these owners of small business. The NDP is not the opposition party but the supporter of unions. They are still the same as before the election -- the NDP is the official lobiest for Unions. At least that is what I see. Let us see who financially supports the NDP.


grace
said

"group1
ITS NOT A STRIKE!! CPC locked them out! Get it right,stop posting wrong info."

Well this started as a strike didn't it, and if CPC didn't lock you greedy idiots out, you's would still be on strike. I'd be getting rid of your useless union leader, your going to end up with a worse deal than what CPC had offered to begin with. This is where greed gets you



M.M.B. Ont
said

Jack Layton had better decide if he is a political leader or a union leader. This strike/lockout is never going to end on it's own without back to work legislation so smarten up Jack ! It is absolutely ridiculous that the negotiations are centered around wages of future employees. After this fiasco, there may never be a need new hires as jobs with Canada Post will be reduced. Small business is hurting financially but does Layton care? NO ! Stop this grandstanding Jack... you are showing your true colors where the people of Canada are concerned. Besides, I am sure many postal workers would like to get back to work and earn a paycheck ! Not everyone has an expense account like yours Jack!


Carolyn Matheson
said

I wish they would just get back to work already!!!
We had a WCB cheque that was to be delivered the same day they went on strike. No mortgage got paid-no utilities got paid and no food has been purchased.
Do they even care? NOPE!!

Signed
Hungry and waiting...


Tom in Toronto
said

Everyone inconvenient by the lock-out ... please call your Member of Parliament and tell him/her to introduce a bill that replace the locked-out workers with anyone willing to work. I just did.


soop
said

We want our mail?!?!


C'mon folks ... you can't live without your post card from l'il old aunt edna until the rights of workers are fought for?

And you Mr. I need to ship stuff out ... call a courier or ups etc.... oh wait?! Canada post is cheaper and more economical ... you can thank the employees for that fact ...

Oh wait ... your wifes pregnant ... and she wants maternity leave? You can thank CUPW for that too ...

Protect workers rights ... its for the good of us all.





Amanda
said

I think that the comment made by KGS proves that Canada Post is economically important. I use online shopping because it is often a great way to save money and alot of my stuff will not be coming anytime soon.

I am glad to be inconvienced by this because the strike would not be proving a point if my life was running the same as before.


John, B.C.
said

The Unions and NDP have become a disease to the whole country especially the economy.


Ed J
said

It started out as a strike by the workers. Actually a rotating strike. When it was Toronto and Montreal turn. CP locked all the workers out.At least with the rotating strike, we were still getting mail.


Judy
said

The must be legislated back to work. They speak all the time of how our economy is not good. How can it get any better when labour unions try to dictate and the NDP is always up to their tricks. Mr. Harper, just go on and legislate them back. You have your majority. Don't let Layton hold you back. He does not care about the majority of Canadians but likes to let us think he does. He is a compromiser and will join with anyone or do anything to line his own pockets.


frustrated
said

I need my mail :((( delivery what you have. I also think this not only effects people in this country, but those in other countries who buy from us Canadians. Everybody is losing here.


Meg
said

All of this, the strike, the lockout, the delay of this bill, is crap! There should have never been a strike in the first place! Unions were made when the common worker got a shit deal at work, and then it made sense! The workplace in Canada has changed immeasurably since then. Seriously, I need the Postal Workers to go back to work so my small business can function. I have 6 orders waiting for this dumb lockout/strike to end. Otherwise, I will be paying exorbitant shipping prices. I have had enough! There are some 30 million people in Canada, I understand the value of the 50,000 Postal Workers, but the majority of this country needs you to back to work! Stop blaming the other side and just GO BACK TO WORK!!!!


Lisa in rural MB
said

I am an NDP supporter, BUT I own a small business that relies very heavily on the mail. I am very tired of the fact that we don't have any mail service at all. I really think what the CPC has offered the union has been more than fair! And I also think that the CUPW union is asking for some very ridiculous changes!
Come on....let's get back to work already!! Canadian Economy is SUFFERING!!! Jack Layton, please support the small business owners of the country....we supported you!!


Robert
said

Delay, delay, delay. The longer this takes to settle means to more money and long term clients you are going to loose permently. As for the posters workers, less mail volume equals mass lay offs due to the fact we won't need 50000 workers. I have made the move away from Canada Post and I don't think I will ever return. The couple thousand dollars I was spending with them on a monthly basis will go to a company that is less childish. I have talked to several people and business owners and they have done the same. So good by CP and take as long as you want to settle you petty dispute.


Wayne
said

Canada Post workers are over paid and underworked... As mail becomes obosilte so will the jobs.... Canada Post should look at out sourcing mail delivery and concentrat on Courier services...Canada Post Workers should stop complaining at least they have a job... FOR NOW


Carol
said

I consider the Post Office to be an essential service and do not believe they should be allowed to strike at all. They should be happy in this day & age to have a job at all. Our main source of income ( husbands pension from work ) comes from the States and can not be direct deposited. I urge each and everyone to do what I did contact Jack Layton and voice your concerns. Perhaps if we had his money we would not be worried about this strike either .


Cindy
said

Does the postal union not realize they are just shooting themselves in the foot by trying to get its members to strike? Canada Post put up a pretty fair deal, from what I can tell, but the union is too greedy! Do you know how many of our customers have switched to electronic payments this last week? Good job union, you are really protecting and working for the postal workers, I'm sure they'll appreciate the higher union dues they'll have to pay once an agreement is signed!


Elizabeth Dixon,Pickering
said

To Group1 - So, if Canada Post had opened their doors Monday, in a gesture of good faith, the union would have gone back to work and not on strike or rotating strikes? So, it is okay for Canada Post employees to go on strike against the employer, but not okay for the employer to go on strike against the employees? How is that fair? For every action there is a re-action.


Frank
said

I find it odd that management of a GOVERNMENT OWNED corperation LOCKS OUT IT"S EMPLOYEES and we need the same government to order the workers they LOCKED OUT back to work. Wouldn't it be easier to just unlock the door and let them in. Postal Workers are willing to go back but Canada Post won't let them


Michael King
said

Lets get back to work!! Like many, I run a small business that relies on the mail to get paid! About 90% of our receivables are delivered by mail. Without a good "cushion" many small businesses' will be in trouble shortly!



Mike
said

One of the NDP Leader Jack Layton's main complaints is that the wage increase set out in the legislation is actually lower than the last offer tabled by Canada Post. Well then Mr. Layton, maybe the union and postal worker should have taken the offer made by Canada Post. You, Mr. Layton and the union leaders are out of touch with the Canadian people and have no idea how tired we are of unions holding the rest of us hostage with these strikes. Pass this bill and get the mail moving again.


Jean, Vancouver
said

It's not that the postal workers are fighting for an increase of minimal wage pay. To the contrary, they are not happy with generous pays padded up by 7 weeks/year vacation, 15 paid sick days/year that could be banked indefinitely and generous pension plans. The disparity in the remuneration of these government employees and any private sector employees (heavily affected by the two recessions) is huge. Now, their wages and benefits are funded by taxpayers for whom they are not willing to work??? I say, send them back to work; enough it's enough.


Mark in Montreal
said

Let's get serious. They already know that the passing of the legislation will impose a smaller pay hike and they are still leaving the table because of the starting salaries for new hires? Do they truly believe that the workforce of Canada Post will increase? the only need will be to replace because of attrition. Is that issue important enough to risk the legislation? their actions seems to say yes...so I have no problem with the back to work law.


Rick
said

The Harper Government must put in a maximum effort to get the postal workers back on the job before the weekend. With that out of the way the MPs will be able to take the next couple of months off , with full pay of course. Quit complaining and get back to the post office you slackers.


sick of strikes
said

privatise the mail and hire all new people! There are enough people out there who would love to have a job, particularly one with these generous benefits. After all, these are not exactly highly educated people or do they have degrees in sorting and delivering junk mail?


Mary
said

It would be a shame if the MPs had to stay in Ottawa!!


SW
said

This is not all the fault of the Union... they had been performing rotating strikes which were only causing minimal delays, it is Canada Post who chose to lock out the employees... trashing those who belong to a union or the NDP doesn't seem to make mcuh sense to me... They should force an end to the lock out, have the employees return and continue the rotating strikes until the contract issues are resolved, this way business's which need the mail service do not suffer and the union and the company are forces to work out their issues...


John from Saskatoon
said

What's the NDP's problem with this? The back to work legislation would unlock the doors. The union isn't on strike. Come on Jack. Looks like your opposing just to oppose. I thought you were on the side of the workers you hypocrite. What you want is for the lock out to be lifted so the workers could then strike. You seem to have no problem with the workers being allowed to hold the company hostage with their random walkouts but don't like it when the company says no and locks them out. What's good for the goose is good for the gander Jacko.


Matt
said

Good job for working on passing this back to work legislation that we need.and Jack, good for you too, stand up for your principles and fight against it if you think it's bad.This is how our democracy SHOULD work, and I'm glad it does.Of course I've got a question for Jack, are you really working for Canadians? This strike and subsequent lockout is hurting the less technically sophisticated Canadians, those living in remote areas, and small businesses.By delaying resumption of mail service, aren't you hurting them?


Jim said
said

If the sticking point is over wages to be paid to new employees. I have a solution. I'll pick up the mail at a sorting station and deliver it to members in my comunity for lets say $20. an hour plus gas.Problem sloved. I'm sure theirs a lot of people unemployed looking for work and fell the same way. Retired and still looking for something to do.


Northern Princess
said

Isn't the NDP great! Delaying a vote to get these people back to work because of some future hires. If this keeps up, Canada Post will not need to hire new employees because people will find alternative ways to send their mail. Wise up NDP and CUPW. Taliban Jack truly will bring this country down, just like the NDP did in Ontario.


Donny in Edmonton
said

I thought Layton claimed to be the friend of small business, but doesn't he see that that's who's being hurt most by the postal lockout? Don't think we won't forget this next time you claim to be our friend, Jack. When the economy is recovering is one fo the worst times to have a strike and I for one refuse to be held hostage while a union makes selfish demands at the expense of others like myself.


Stinger
said

Mr.Harper use your majority. Enough debating, debating is over. Canadians have spoken and we want this to end, NOW. Mr.Layton you and your party are helping to kill small business and forcing others to start using other means of sending packages and mail, which in the end is only going to hurt the worker. LESS DEMAND, less people needed. Someone mentioned is was a lockout. It was only a lockout after the Postal Workers started job action, by rotating strikes. Canada Post did not lock you out first. Tell the people the truth.


CJ
said

The NDP has never had any interest in small business of any kind only the labour unions justlook what they have done in any region that they have had power in.


MARG MM
said

I imagine Jack's "newbie" MP's will want to hurry up and get on their summer break so they can spend some of their "new found" wealth. How boring it must be sitting around the HOC when you could be at the beach!!!! If Jack Layton thinks he is going to be the next PM, he'll have to sever some ties to big union, as most Canadians don't like being held hostage by over paid union bosses. It is very likely that a lot of post office workers would prefer to be working, after all they won't likely make up their wage loss even with a raise. Also what is wrong with retirement at 60 for new hires, rather than 55 as is now the case?? Most people don't get to retire until they are 65 or even older. Enough is enough.


gregoryd
said

To all you people making a decent wage: be carefull what you wish for. This could be just a start of things to come. We give the Cons a majority, with the help of my vote I must add, and the first thing they do is attack working people. As well they are taking sides with management against the very people that put them in power. Look at it this way: are there enough managers and CEO's to vote them into power and the answer is no. They need the working people to get them there. So instead of thanking them they turn right around and attack them. I notice many commenting on the wages these postal workers make and I must say compared to the extravagant and down right ridiculous salaries management and CEO's make, they seem reasonable. Keep it up and take all the good jobs away and we will all be working for 2 bucks and hour. So again be carefull what you wish for cuz you might get it. As for the Cons I am cutting up my membership card and will work hard next election to get rid of them.


Robert
said

Enough is Enough, I agree it's time for you to go back to work, I want my mail, and so does the rest of my family...Hell I'll take ur job, any day.... Now hurry up get back to work!!!


F.C.
said

My personal financial losses are mounting. The inability to ship my products not only hurts me now, the loss of confidence from my customers will hurt for a long time. ( most are in the US)I have little sympathy for postal workers. They appear to receive large wages and benefits for the level of skill for the job that they do.I am dismayed that the NDP appear to have their party's personal interests in mind. Blind support of big union is short sighted as they fail to see the ordinary Canadian and small business person.


D.K. Lindsay
said

Only in Canada can the government debate for 5 days on whether or not they should debate.Mr. Harper you finally have your majority get this over with. Times are tough enough for small business.D.K. Lindsay


tk
said

The postal workers get to much money for their jobs as it is. Goverment postal workers should not be alowed to strike if they don,t like the pay go get another job with all your skills you should get a job at 10$ a hour without benifits. The NDPis no different than the liberals or bloc they don,t care for the hard working CANADIANS just like to fill their pockets with our money.


Get_it Done
said

Do we need a Postal Czar. Maybe a swift boot in the upper echelon?Start at the top and save a bundle of dough. Than give them who do the work a stake in the Post office revenues and watch things turn into a profitable enterprize.Stop subsudizing the nany users!


M Stad
said

I may agree with J Stad (are we related? LOL just curious).
If they want to rotate the strike fine, but let us get on with our mail. I'm waiting on an insurance cheque that's sitting somewhere in limbo land. It's not a gov't cheque so it' can't be picked up anywhere.
As for their wages, man between two of us working full time, our combined hourly wage is less than theirs and we can make it just fine.


alpo
said

It is like the joke that was going around the US.Vote Jack Layton and the NDP.Paid for by Stephen Harper and the Conservative party of Canada.


Evy
said

Enough already, just get them back to work, we are waiting on tickets for our summer vacation, going to a Nascar race, no doubt the tickets are sitting in a warehouse somewhere, hopefully spoiled rotten union workers don't ruin a families 2 week summer vacation. People today are so self centered and only think of themselves, very frustrated.


Small business owner
said

This strike/lockout is ridiculous. First to those who say "it's not a strike!" It started as a strike, and after the company (YES, it's a COMPANY. It's supposed to make PROFIT) lost $100 million dollars they locked the doors to stop taking as much loss.

You do realize we already pay the over-inflated wages and benefits, and Canada Post isn't even trying to cut those, they just want to be able to pay less to newer employees, which is fair if the terms are accepted by new hires. I say over-inflated because we are talking about jobs which do not even require a high school diploma. It's a job literally anyone can do, I'm not even sure why the corporation allowed the Unions to push wages as high as they have. Canadians are losing what little sympathy they had for the striking workers, as they accidentally call attention to how much the Union has already weaseled in for an undeserving workforce.

Layton is just stalling to keep his union support, while myself and other Canadian business owners are losing money every day. It seems he cares more about his pro-Union image than the rest of Canada. Yes, letters are a relic of the past, but hundreds of thousands of business owners and consumers ship products, receipts, and cheques through the mail every day. The strike is hurting our economy and is a burden to a lot of Canadians. It's hurting our economy by cutting off a lot of businesses from supplies and resources needed for their work.

Finally, as it IS owned by our Government, don't forget that the Canadian population gets to foot the bill for this whole escapade, and deal with the economic consequences.


Abdula from Kanata
said

It is always fun to read comments were the unwise tell the wise to wise-up. Aside from that the NDP is doing what it is mandated to do. If you voted for them and did not expect them to try to delay this piece of garbage legislation you voted for the wrong party. Besides the only persons this strike is really hurting is business who can't sent out their bills/ Personally I seen enough bills.


Debbie
said

Stephen B. - You're mistaken. Canada Post workers are not on strike. You aren't receiving mail because Canada Post has locked out their workers. We were inconvenienced minimally with the rotating strikes but Canada Post doesn't care about your small business so they shut the whole operation down. Direct your anger and frustration to the appropriate party.


Steve
said

Erm, Canada Post was going to go on strike, but they were locked out first. Therefore, they got blindsided by this whole BtW legislation idea, and they're forced to take the cuts to their collective agreement.

Not only that, CP should be privatised.

((Then again, this whole thing should've been avoided))


WatchDawg
said

If anything, the Green Party might be a little happier with the ongoing strike. With no junk mail being delivered, this has to be saving some tress.


vintagelady
said

this is crazy!!!!! my husband works for canada post. we have no benifits to pay for my eight pills i take per day for my illnesses. we have no food no gas to get to a food bank no money because there was no pay. my husband wants to go back to work and if you asked most of the workers they to have bills to pay we cannot even pay our rent. both sides need to come together so the real workers can back to work and let us not forget that canada post took away benifits with the 72hr notice and then they locked them out!!!! somebody please fix this.


Janet
said

Although I would rather see the posties back at work; I don't feel sorry for the politians who sure have not worked too much in the last year - they are always on a break....with pay!


sam williamson
said

Am I supposed to feel sorry for members of Parliament, because they can't go on summer break? Give me a break!

By the way, this legislation is hardly controversial, unless you're Jack Layton. Most posts on this topic are not sympathetic to the union. Mr. Layton likes to portray himself as the champion of the working man - the little guy. The reality is that there are tens of thousands of ordinary Canadians who are suffering from the strike/lockout while both sides in the Canada Post dispute are already handsomely paid and benefitted. In reality, it's the Government looking out for the little guy this time, with the support of most Canadians.



bill
said

privatize!!!


Marg Med Had
said

"Smiling Jack' Layton LOVES the spot light, and this has only given him an even bigger platform to spout off on. The "spoiled brats" in CUPW need to realize that their are indeed a LOT of people still hurting from the Recession, and would LOVE to work for the wages that CUPW people are getting. A lot of people in the this country on small business people, who don't have the "cushy" pensions and benefit packages that CUPW has. Yet, it's those small business people that pay the taxes that funds the payroll for Canada Post. WAKE UP, CUPW! The rest of Canada is fed up with your whining. Go back to work! Tell your Union Reps to get back to work and get an agreement signed. Thanks to computers and EFT and private courier services, by staying out, you very well prove the Canada Post is indeed a dinosaur that needs to be overhauled to remain relevants in the 21st Century. And that could lead to YOU getting a "permanent pink slip".


Wendalynn
said

Some towns and villages do not get couier services like FedEx or Purolator, so mail is very important. Also, who do we send our couier bills (to those who receive couriers) to in the wake of the stirke-turned-lockout?


NRM
said

Obviously the workers should've taken the last offer they got. I doubt they'll see this as their own fault, but will no doubt blame the government instead.
That said, kudos to the government for not putting up with BS.


Bill
said

Wow. Canada Post is on strike. And here I thought those people standing in front of the Post Office were just waiting for their welfare cheques. Mind you welfare, Canada Post pay cheques all the same.....paid for by the taxpayer........


KGS
said

Enough is enough. I sell on-line and I can't ship because of this strike/lockout nonsense. It means a lost income for me. I've invested a lot of time and effort into this business. As it was, with the economy and high dollar things were starting to decline. CUPW and the NDP, however, apparently would have no problem with me going out of business altogether. If they want their workers to a) actually have work, b) earn a decent income, then the last thing they should be wanting to do is stopping me and millions of others from using Canada Post.


MD
said

Are you kidding me? Wake up and get to the 21st century Canada Post.

I lived with a letter carrier - I know what goes on.

Get with the program. Time to get back to work or ...


Stephen B
said

Canada Post is on strike????? Who knew.


Staci In Calgary
said

The talks have broken off once again between Canada post and the union because they cannot agree what is fair to pay FUTURE hired staff. It seems a bit ridiculous that they are holding the public hostage for what people who are not even hired yet. JACK and his party need to wise up and put a stop to all this non-sense. Get the workers back to work, get the mail moving and help prevent yet another small business from having to lay off employees that are in jeopardy.CP and the union have not been able to reach an agreement on their own in over 9 months, another day, week or month is not going to make a difference to them, legislate them back to work.The current posties will never make up the lost wages they are missing out on...and for what a debate on what future employees should get paid. If I was a postie I would be less than impressed that my lively hood is being held ransom for someone who does not even work for Canada post yet!!!


Jarrett, Ottawa
said

I believe that they should be forced back to work as this is an essential service (for now). Mind you after having said that they are just shootting themselves in the foot the longer they are on strike. Alot of people are making that transition to alternatives such as e-bills and other online services that in the end are more efficient, cheaper and faster. Keep on hammering in those nails in the coffin.


Syl
said

Pass the bill now, already!!! We want our mail.


Gary (Toronto)
said

You serious? They are STILL debating this since Friday? how much longer they going to debate until our Economy falls and the recovery we made will be lost? Both sides aren't talking, it's time to put an end to this! I wish the NDP would see this and let this vote on this bill begin. NDP need to start doing what's best for the country and not just what best for unions.


Mike
said

Just get them back to work. I'm tired of this already. Enough is enough. Let an independent mediator resolve it.


group1
said

ITS NOT A STRIKE!! CPC locked them out! Get it right,stop posting wrong info.


J Stad
said

If NDP want resolution, change the back to work to an order to Canada Post to open its doors and allow the rotating strikes to continue. The mail must flow.


ajayvee
said

With a majority in the House, a majority in the Senate, a Conservative Speaker of the House, and a beholdin' Governor-General, I cannot see President Harper permitting much debate on anything in the House.


Jack in Canada
said

Who cares what Layton and the NDP have to say. This is costing small Canadians to much. Send them back to work making the same as they were making before the strike. How much money was lost because of this strike? How do you expect the raise to be affordable? The mail should be an esential service. Without the mail, the economy stalls.


sandy
said

If thats so, the outcome will be the same I dont know why layton is doing this, is he proving a point? I suppose, but small business are hurting Does he mind that?


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