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Date: Thu. Jun. 23 2011 10:12 PM ET
Members of Parliament held off their summer break Thursday night as they settled into the House of Commons for a lengthy debate over the government's back-to-work legislation for Canada Post workers.
Not long after filibustering began, NDP Leader Jack Layton began a long speech. However, the Conservatives' majority in the House of Commons all but guarantees the legislation will eventually pass.
Layton spoke for an hour before concluding with a request that the bill not proceed to second reading Thursday, but to be read for a second time "six months hence."
Earlier Thursday, Layton called on the federal government to remove a section on wages from the legislation, saying the move sets "a terrible precedent" and renders collective bargaining "pointless."
The legislation includes wage increases for workers that are lower than what Canada Post included in its last offer to the union.
During question period Thursday afternoon, Layton asked the prime minister to remove the section on wages from the bill and refer the matter to an arbitrator.
"The prime minister has rendered collective bargaining pointless in this country," Layton told question period. "He's signalling that if you can't get what you want at the bargaining table, never mind, Ottawa will legislate it for you if you're an employer. Why bother to bargain? It's a terrible precedent."
Harper called the wage rates contained in the legislation "fair," and said they are on par with the earnings of other federal public servants.
"We need to be absolutely clear of the difference here. The government, unlike the NDP, is not beholden to one of the parties at the table. The government represents the wider interests of the Canadian economy…," Harper said, before being drowned out by a standing ovation from the Conservative caucus.
Earlier Thursday, the union said it had all but given up on reaching a deal with the Crown corporation.
A spokesperson for the Canadian Union of Postal Workers said Thursday that the bill tabled, and the wage increases contained in it, by the Conservative party has removed any incentive for the employer to continue bargaining.
Gerry Deveau, the union's national director for Ontario, said the two sides were close to a deal earlier in the week. However, they remain at odds over several issues such as sick leave, pensions, working conditions and staffing.
Deveau told CTV's Power Play Thursday evening that he doesn't "see any more opportunities to have those discussions with the corporation."
But he said there is still time to amend the legislation.
"There are obviously opportunities to have the legislation amended to make it more a level playing field, so that both sides are at least on a level playing field," Deveau said. "As we see it right now, the legislation is written in a one-sided manner that favours the employer versus the union. So we want to see a balance there."
Deveau accused Canada Post of approaching negotiations with little flexibility. But company spokesperson Jon Hamilton said with a downward trend in the corporation's business expected to continue, there are issues it cannot bend on.
"We need to make some changes now so that we don't have to make more difficult choices down the road," Hamilton told Power Play. "And that means preserving the wages, pensions and job security of current employees and making some changes to what we offer new employees. We think that's a fair and reasonable plan."
Meanwhile, the debate over the issue on Parliament Hill is expected to last through the day and into the night. The NDP had vowed to delay the bill in order to give the two sides more time to work out a deal.
Labour Minister Lisa Raitt introduced the back-to-work bill on Monday, after the Crown corporation locked out its unionized workers who had been staging rotating strikes across the country.
She defended the binding arbitration that will take place if the bill is passed, saying "final offer binding selection" was necessary to avoid years of mediation and "millions of dollars" wasted.
Raitt, under fire from opposition MPs, also said the proposed wage increase was fair because it matched other agreements the government has negotiated with public servants.
"At the end of the day, we are responsible to the great taxpayers of Canada (who) have the responsibility of being on the hook for Canada Post," she said.
"We want to make sure we ensure the viability of Canada Post Corporation."
Raitt told Power Play that the last time Canada Post was legislated back to work, in 1997, the NDP supported the bill despite the fact it also contained wage levels lower than what management had offered.
"They saw the bigger picture of the importance of getting postal workers back to work and getting the mail going. So I hope they take a look at that again."
The Conservatives are hoping to pass the bill as soon as possible, so that postal deliveries can resume next week and MPs can begin their summer break, which is scheduled to start on Friday.
Though they likely don't have the numbers to block the vote, the NDP can delay the bill as long as there are New Democrat MPs in the House of Commons to speak about the legislation.
When the debate ends, a vote can immediately be called.
Earlier Thursday, Power Play host Don Martin said MPs have been ordered to remain close to Parliament until the debate is complete, meaning none can begin their summer break early.
The Senate has also vowed to sit as long as necessary to pass the bill.
Last week, the Conservatives tabled back-to-work legislation that would have ended a strike by Air Canada workers. Under the increased pressure, both sides managed to work out a last minute deal before the legislation became law.
Martin said the Conservatives are sending a strong message to labour unions.
"I think it's a shot across the bow to all unions, saying if you're economically important...you can play ball at the bargaining table or you can face the consequences in the House."
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Winnie
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Donnie In Calgary
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For those who aren't union members, try to imagine what your future will be if there are no ways to push back against an employer who is aided and abetted by the force of government.
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Wher is my mail?
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bill
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get with the times:Canada
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LM
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Winnie
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Sergy
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The mail is still very important. Having said that, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the Canada Post employees who have held us hostage for decades because of that fact.
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Carol
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Get a life Jack!!!!!!!!!
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small business in BC
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Drew in NS
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Ricco from Vancouver
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jen
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kcb
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boy
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jim from ottawa
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J.S.
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Ian
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Doug
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Before he sticks his nose it what he can't handle he should "think".
Diane
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Andrew in Dundas
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jane
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Jack, try to focus on Canada and the economy and what's best for all of Canada including the postal workers, instead of your own personal goal - grandstanding!
Paul R
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Jay
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If the Union is not going to bargain fairly and properly represent their members, then the way should be paved for them to no longer exist.
Pointless
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MS in Ottawa
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PinVICTORIA
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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austin
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Jim in Ontario
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CalgaryBrad
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Average Canadian in NS
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Tired in Ottawa
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smitty11
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Lily
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Shoeman
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Shoe
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PostRobot
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DIY (Deliver It Yourself)!!!!
Why not let the people pick up their needed mails. PLEASE do that whenever CANADAPOST is on strike so ever often!
KRSinHFX
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Dixie from Alberta
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Mike
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M.M.B. Ont
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MikeInBC
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CasBMedia
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the purple helmet
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hard to beleaf
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RJ in Halifax
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Gord
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Chelsea
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Trisch
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lowaitok
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the whole country will be paralysed by ALL the "legitimate" job actions,played out by the organised union.
JUST A THOUGHT only,thank GOD
Emma
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Harper to the Rescue
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John
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charlie
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Richard
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They have to be legislated back to work and it's too bad for CUPW to work for such a necessary entity.
However, if CanadaPost is NOT essential, let union and management hash things out.
The worst thing that can happen is six months after it collapses, we will be using a set of coherent private enterprise replacements.
charlie
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D Fraser
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Why does it cost $12 to ship a parcel in my own major city and $7 to ship the same parcel to the US. Canada post gouges Canadians and I wonder how much of that is due to the union croonies who get paid $26 hr, plus per piece for junki mail, plus a full eight hours for working six, PLUS they go back to the depot and work a few hours overtime. It is a crown corporation, but the workers seem to think they are civil servants.
Get back to work
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Denise
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SB
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trish
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chel in the Peg
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wanna get back to work in MB
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edward
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Marie
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Come on Jack, people who voted for you do not support this postal strike.
Convenient Timing
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Anna
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I will not be able to make payroll, unless I receive at least some of my checks before the end of the month.
I cannot support the union, when I work twelve hours a day and sick leave or anything like that have never been an option.
These people (union workers) have no idea about the “real life” out there for most of us.
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Tim
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Canada Post is an essential service and they should not be allowed to strike in my opinion. I am very disappointed with NPD trying to delay the bill. Isn't it obvious that Canadian people and businesses need this service as soon as possible. Every day of delay costs millions of dollars, pain and frustration. Enough of discussions. Let's get back to work!!! Don't hurt the economy anymore.
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The government has full rights to make Canada post re-open it's doors and force the workers to stop the strikes. we need this service on a daily basis.
I agree that this service should be placed in with the other essential services. and that a strike vote not be allowed in the future. Air canada strike.. big deal fly on another carrier.... but canada post is the only mail service in canada (unless you want to pay 25 bucks to send a letter vis Dicom)
as for political parties delaying the action of the gov't This is just a waste of time we pay them a lot of money to discuss a lot more stupid things. Pass the bill get it done and get on with life and work.
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And for those know-it-alls that suggest using courier companies, it is 2-3x more expensive plus they charge very expensive brokerage fees for over the border shipping. It's not an option.
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Self Employed and Proud of it!
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Vinnie
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Harper needs to declare mail delivery an essential service and get these cry babies back to work and rid them of their union-instilled sense of entitlement.
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fed up
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This man is nothing but an hypocrite and a typical politician only cares for himself and to me his words are not worth nothing because he pretends he care but he does not.
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Canada Post insists that they do not want the post office to be a burden to tax payers, however they never admit that they pay millions of dollars in dividends to the federal government every year for the past 15 years and is not funded by tax payers dollars!
Since then, CPC has refused to bargain, stopped all mail delivery by locking out their employees, and done everything possible to provoke back-to-work legislation. During negotiations since October 2010, the union has been met by a brick wall of corporate greed.
It appears that the Conservative Government and Canada Posts relationship will give them the unfair advantage in this fight.
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grace
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ITS NOT A STRIKE!! CPC locked them out! Get it right,stop posting wrong info."
Well this started as a strike didn't it, and if CPC didn't lock you greedy idiots out, you's would still be on strike. I'd be getting rid of your useless union leader, your going to end up with a worse deal than what CPC had offered to begin with. This is where greed gets you
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Carolyn Matheson
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We had a WCB cheque that was to be delivered the same day they went on strike. No mortgage got paid-no utilities got paid and no food has been purchased.
Do they even care? NOPE!!
Signed
Hungry and waiting...
Tom in Toronto
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soop
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C'mon folks ... you can't live without your post card from l'il old aunt edna until the rights of workers are fought for?
And you Mr. I need to ship stuff out ... call a courier or ups etc.... oh wait?! Canada post is cheaper and more economical ... you can thank the employees for that fact ...
Oh wait ... your wifes pregnant ... and she wants maternity leave? You can thank CUPW for that too ...
Protect workers rights ... its for the good of us all.
Amanda
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I am glad to be inconvienced by this because the strike would not be proving a point if my life was running the same as before.
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Lisa in rural MB
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Come on....let's get back to work already!! Canadian Economy is SUFFERING!!! Jack Layton, please support the small business owners of the country....we supported you!!
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If they want to rotate the strike fine, but let us get on with our mail. I'm waiting on an insurance cheque that's sitting somewhere in limbo land. It's not a gov't cheque so it' can't be picked up anywhere.
As for their wages, man between two of us working full time, our combined hourly wage is less than theirs and we can make it just fine.
alpo
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You do realize we already pay the over-inflated wages and benefits, and Canada Post isn't even trying to cut those, they just want to be able to pay less to newer employees, which is fair if the terms are accepted by new hires. I say over-inflated because we are talking about jobs which do not even require a high school diploma. It's a job literally anyone can do, I'm not even sure why the corporation allowed the Unions to push wages as high as they have. Canadians are losing what little sympathy they had for the striking workers, as they accidentally call attention to how much the Union has already weaseled in for an undeserving workforce.
Layton is just stalling to keep his union support, while myself and other Canadian business owners are losing money every day. It seems he cares more about his pro-Union image than the rest of Canada. Yes, letters are a relic of the past, but hundreds of thousands of business owners and consumers ship products, receipts, and cheques through the mail every day. The strike is hurting our economy and is a burden to a lot of Canadians. It's hurting our economy by cutting off a lot of businesses from supplies and resources needed for their work.
Finally, as it IS owned by our Government, don't forget that the Canadian population gets to foot the bill for this whole escapade, and deal with the economic consequences.
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Steve
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Not only that, CP should be privatised.
((Then again, this whole thing should've been avoided))
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By the way, this legislation is hardly controversial, unless you're Jack Layton. Most posts on this topic are not sympathetic to the union. Mr. Layton likes to portray himself as the champion of the working man - the little guy. The reality is that there are tens of thousands of ordinary Canadians who are suffering from the strike/lockout while both sides in the Canada Post dispute are already handsomely paid and benefitted. In reality, it's the Government looking out for the little guy this time, with the support of most Canadians.
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That said, kudos to the government for not putting up with BS.
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MD
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I lived with a letter carrier - I know what goes on.
Get with the program. Time to get back to work or ...
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