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Date: Wednesday Apr. 20, 2011 10:49 PM ET

Many Canadians are finding themselves caught between the struggle to save money and repay their debts, says a survey from TD Bank.

And with interest rates expected to rise this summer, clearing debts probably won't get any easier.

In the report, 38 per cent of Canadians surveyed said they had no savings at all.

"I think it's worrisome," said Carrie Russell, senior vice-president of retail banking at TD Canada Trust (TSX:TD).

"The reality is that we are all going to come into unexpected expenses from time to time, be it a car or health or a job loss and this can really derail you and your family if you have no cushion behind you," Russell said from Toronto.

Russell said the major factor preventing Canadians from saving is that they are using disposable income to pay down debt, whether it be credit cards, car loans or mortgages.

She recommends a cushion of three to six months of income saved to get through unexpected financial shocks.

One-third of Canadians who responded to the recent online survey also said they didn't have enough money to cover living expenses like rent or food bills.

The survey found that 54 per cent of the 1,003 people who took part in the survey said it was a real struggle or impossible to save.

Repaying those debts will only get harder if the Bank of Canada raises interest rates this summer, as expected. A spike in Canada's inflation rate in March was driven by higher food and gasoline prices.

Shopping is also taking a toll on tucking money away for a rainy day.

Russell said 12 per cent of those surveyed said they couldn't save because "they shopped beyond their means."

Nineteen per cent of those surveyed under the age of 35 said they spent too much on shopping, she added.

"This really comes down to the age-old question of budgeting, choices and skills required in making plans for a healthy financial future."

Changing habits starts with children and making sure they understand how much things cost and understanding the difference between a "want" versus a "need," she said.

"We don't send our children into the deep end of the ocean without teaching them how to swim. We shouldn't send our children out into the workforce and independent lives without giving them the basics of financial literacy."

On the flip side, 30 per cent of respondents said they had enough money saved to cover living expenses for at least four months.

Russell said those who were most successful with savings were "paying themselves first" and using automatic savings programs to put money aside.

Certified financial planner Marta Stiteler had some tough love for Canadians without nest eggs: learn to live with less and start saving every month even if it's just $50.

"People are using the downturn as an excuse," said Stiteler, an associate at Pillar Retirement in Hamilton, Ont..

"The reality is you just have to bite the bullet and save. If you don't save you're going to spend it because your lifestyle will eat up that money," she said. "It's about discipline."

The Vanier Institute of the Family has said that average family debt in Canada hit $100,000 in 2010.

"I do think many families are behind the eight ball and the public supports really aren't there where they once were," said Katherine Scott, director of programs at the Ottawa-based organization.

Scott said local credit and non-profit agencies can provide resources to help families get a financial plan so they can "start to dig themselves out of that hole."

The online survey, based on a representative sample of Canadian adults, was conducted from Dec. 2 to Dec. 7, 2010, by Environics Research for the bank.

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Melanie Terrace,BC
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Sorry "Gary.Terrace". You've got the wrong Melanie. You rage may be something you feel entitled to. And maybe someone has done something to make you so angry. But came to Terrace with nothing of what you listed in your nastly and presumptuous post. We never owned a home in the city. No corporate or big ticket bank account. Some savings, but not a lot. And my husband is a mechanic, not an executive with a corporate background. I will say this though. I can understand your anger. Given the shortage of full time jobs in this area, I wonder who is going to employ all the young people around here when they grow up. If seasonal or part time work is all that remains available,even getting a start will be challenging, to say the least.My kids are going to hate leaving here,but when they graduate and need jobs,I doubt they will have a choice. No sharks here Gary.The place we bought was a mess.We manage because my husband can fix or renovate almost anything. Oddly,besides you,everyone I've met here has been extremely friendly and very welcoming.That includes the people who sold us this house so they could follow their kids,who left to find work down south.I guess the anonymity of the internet adds a new dimension to a civil conversation.I doubt you'd be so angry if you met our family in person.Unless you're someone who doesn't like anyone who wasn't born here.


MKR
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most young adults need to learn that they are not entitled to everything in the world. they do not deserve a fancy car or house, they need to earn it. do they need a big fancy house for their first house??? NO they do not, work your way up people, stop going mortgage broke to the point everyone including the kids need to pitch in to pay the bills..... get rid of the things you do not need, most people do not need a cell phone, cable/satelite, fancy cars, budget properly people!


Gary... Terrace
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HEY! Doug @ BC I just had to say this and hope you find it a little humorous. I have not seen good, full-time work at home for many years. I was in a rented room in Edmonton and on a day off... a nice day... so I went out for a bike ride up the nearest main avenue. Along the way a young man stops me to bum some money. As I get off the bike and look over at him... across the road is a 'huge' street sign at a gas station across the street (or avenue - as the case may be). The sign says... HELP WANTED. I presume you can guess what I told this guy to do?


curt brunn
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I AM DEAD BROKE. ON DISABILITY AND CAN NOT GET IT UNTIL I AM PENNILESS. THERE IS NOTHING TO SAVE ON THIS. THE MONEY I GET DOES NOT COVER RENT OR FOOD YET ALONE HANDI-TRANSIT TICKETS, PLUS ANYTHING ELSE. TRY TO LIVE LIKE THAT EVERYDAY OF YOUR LIFE FOREVER. REALLY MY ONLY HOPE IS DEATH. AND I AM MORE THAN READY FOR IT. THAT JUST COMES TO YOU AND I MEAN IT. I CANNOT WORK ANYMORE THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL.


Doug @ BC
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I'm impressed by "gradstudent07". I am sure this is one Canadian who is destined to succeed in life. It gives me a little more faith in our education systems than I previously had. But I do fear this poster is in the minority when it comes to young peoples view of financial management. I worry about the others. But to priorities, I have to relate this bit of real life in BC. There is a panhandler who always works the Tim Hortons that I patronize. He goes on about how poor he is. He dresses like he's really poor, and I always assued he was. Now,I'm not saying that he is well off, or not even suggesting he is living well below the poverty line. But doesn't anyone else wonder, as I do, how it is that he is almost always smoking and talking on his cell phone when he hits me up for spare change? Just asking. Not suggesting that he doesn't have a right to do both. I just happen to think the cost of those two could buy some decent clothes and a better diet. He looks like the person who spends his own money on things he wants, and hits on everyone else for the things he needs. Choices people. Make them wisely, and have a long term plan that you update regularly. You have it in you. I know you do. LOL!!! For all I know this "panhandler" might even have a TFSA to go along with that cell phone and tobacco habit.


Melanie Terrace,BC
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Reading the post by "pegger" leaves me wondering where he/she lives.The handle had me assuming Winnipeg,and I admit I don't know anything about the cost of housing there.Nothing at all. But the point about "corporate welfare" suuests the writer is NDP.I take your point seriously,so try to be as open minded when I ask you "how was the 63 cent dollar less corporate welfare than lower taxes for corporations". The 63 ent dollar was corporate welfare.A gift to Canadian business,paid for by all of us,rich or poor,in the form of higher prices. We're middle class people "pegger".We're doing beter than some because we spend on what we need,not what we want.Because my husband takes a job even if it's not the job he wants.And we live where we can afford to live. We're very frugal,we make sacrifices,and we work hard.It's not magic or rocket science.If it was good enough for my grand parents,it's good enough for us.It's all about expectations,and not needing to "keep up with the Jones". But we have not done anything that any other Canadian cannot do.Most either don't know how to,or simply choose not to.Complaining about what they don't have is a lot easier that going out and earning what they need."Luck" has very little to do with anyone's lot in life.It is what you make of it.As it should be.As it will always be in a free society.


Gary... Terrace
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Subject: Melanie in Terrace... affordable housing Many low-income people spend almost all their lives carefully living, saving and hoping to some day have the home/property they really want. They stay in small remote communities because houses remain relatively affordable (from their perspective). Then along come people like you... with your transfered corporate, goverment or public service job... your 'sold my big city / big ticket' house bank account... and drive up prices so locals can never afford there dream.What would you think of a shark which decided to abondon the rough life of the open seas and move up the Skeena... the Lakelse river... and settle into a nice, easy feed in the Lakelse Lake?


JR of Toronto
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Let's get real here, shall we? I believe Canadians will save if they can, but with all the rising costs of housing, food prices, and gasoline, what is there really to save? Finding a job is tough, and for most of those have jobs their incomes are just barely enough to cover their living expenses.


Chris
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Question for you folks out there: What's better, to save money or pay down your debt first? I recently bought my first home and since I'm good with money this is my first experience having any kind of debt.So what's better? Save money and pay down the mortgage slower, or pay it down faster and have no savings? I'm interested in hearing your opinions.


Jim McB
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There is no reason for not saving for those optional items in life. You are not a lesser person if you don't have the latest gadgets or use public transit if it is available. In fact in the long run you will be better off than the spendthrifts.There is a major systemic problem for those that would invest and save. The markets are being manipulated by speculators and the fundementals of a market economy no longer apply. Large pools of money are used to drive commodities up and down with two results. Both investors and consumers get burned.It is a global problem and I am not sure how to deal with it. Global economic organizations are run with national politics in mind and that does just not seem like the right thing to do.Perhaps we need to start a market where there is an investor cap so that no manipulation is possible: but that is too close to socialism for me and that always ends in corruption. I was always a saver and have a very comfortable retirement. My friends who mocked me for doing without over the years - well many of them are in that situation now. One word of advice: never leave your future to a government, they will screw you to pad their nests! It is an individual responsibility.


grizz
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all you superior people posting on here are missing the point. if it weren't for corporate welfare we'd have enough income to supply our needs AND have a few luxuries as well. you may not remember the sixties, but i do.


about to downsize
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Things are very tight for many and it's no wonder, the cost of living skyrocketed in recent years, keep jacking the prices up and people are gonna bust, it's simple math. The salaries sure haven't increased enough to compensate. Sadly it won't be long before people start losing their homes or simply not have the cash to enjoy life let alone save for the future.


stevo
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I've always heeded the advice of three great financial experts. First, I learned to save from my parents who never bought something that they couldn't pay for immediately. Second, Colonel Sanders used to say that "another penny saved, is another penny earned". Finally, Eddie Shack said, "take care of the nickels and dimes and the dollars will take care of themselves."With the exception of a mortgage (for far less than I can easily afford) I have never been in debt whether it be as a teenager, a university student or a working adult. Not having something I want is a lot easier to deal with than having something i can't afford. I feel no sympathy for people that can't curb their "wants" and end up in debt for no reason than their own greed and stupidity. What bugs me is that their idiocy, when it come to spending, can have an effect on everyone elses finances.


Ian Ottawa
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@Brian. Bang on. We saved and we are a family of five with one income, and that one is from DND. If the Liberals get in they will hurt our income with forced pay cuts because he knows there is no Union and the Generals sign a paper that forces them to play the political game.


missmae
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Groceries going up, gas going up, hydro going up, interest rates going up, rent goes up, minimum wages don't increase at the same rate...we are a family of 5 living off 1 income...as the kids grow their clothing needs increase, an activity after school costs...we can't afford hockey no matter how much they want to try it. It's hard...we can only afford 1 car even though we desperately need 2. We have no savings...it's not like it used to be. A family could live off 1 income and bank the other. Houses were a small fraction of the cost they are today. We'd love to buy, but its all too expensive for what you get and its only going to get worse.


pegger
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@ Melanie in Terrace
You're lucky you could get a down payment for a $200,000 house. A lot of young people don't have that option.

You people complaining about the money the government spends on citizens, give your head a shake. Did you already forget that here and in the States it was the corporations that got the most social assistance? It's called corporate welfare. And it's ongoing.

While we are being gouged at the pumps, Harper is giving billions in subsidies to the oil companies. Meanwhile the middle class is disappearing.


ALP
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Saving money these days don't really get you anywhere...the tiny interest rates provided by the banks for your savings accounts are pretty much peanuts. However, I was always taught from an early age that you should have SOME savings in case of emergency...a couple months worth of salary in case you can't work or get laid off, etc. I won't lie - I'm not an angel and I do get sucked in by the newest gadgets and I've never been one to ban myself from a shopping mall, but I have a couple of small saving graces, which is 1) I only use my debit card for purchases, and 2) I have an automatic transfer from my chequing account into my savings account of $25 a week. I know it's not very much, but it adds up to $1200 a year, sometimes more.


Greg
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By the end of 2012 this country will be in a major recession all over again, much worse than the one we are getting out of. Sell your house now if you want to get anything for it because by the end of 2012 it won't be worth much at all. The writing is on the wall and very few people see it.


brian
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Interesting. I wonder what percentage of people have "no savings" but yet have expensive cell phones, digital cable packages, hefty new car payments, and expensive clothing. No savings? Whatever. You can see where their savings went. I feel for those working hard in low paying jobs, but I would say a good 50% of this 1/3rd simply overspends.


Andrew, Vancouver
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I always have a few dollars in my pocket because I never buy lottery tickets. I would rather have $1,000.00 squirreled away in a sock than the thrills of having had chances at winning millions.


gradstudent07
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Ridiculous. Currently I get $18,000 a year as a graduate student, i'm living in Vancouver one of the most expensive cities in Canada to live in and I also pay ~$6,000 a year in tuition. So that boils down to a tiny bit over $1,000 a month and I still manage to stay debt free and save up (albeit quite slowly at the moment).


Melanie Terrace,BC
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We do quite nicely in this community and only my husband working.Homes are affordable enough to take the pressure off when other prices go up.Affordable housing and a full time job for my husband made moving here a no brainer.It's a gorgeous community and there's lot of natural recreation tht doesn't come with a big proce tag. To the poster who was whining about low interst rates and the TFSA,you should read a little more.TFSA savings can be invested in a whole lot of growth investments.They do not have to be in GIC's or cash. If there are tools that average people can use to build assets,the TFSA would be the first one to turn to. You can start small, if you can't afford a lot. If you start young enough, and are patient,you can grow quite nicely. And of course, if you don't have to live in an area where housing is over priced. don't live there. You have only yourself to blame if housing costs bankrupt your entire family. $200k for a nice home here vs $500k minimum in Vancouver.I love our decision to move here.It's the city slickers who are doing most of the complaining about housing.I understand it,but I still don't get why they don't just move to a place they can afford. City life is a choice,not an entitlement or a requirement.


Big Jim
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Why bother saving? The socialist government will pay for everything I need if I retire with nothing or lose my job. What could possibly go wrong Canada?


Doug
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The word savings applies to yesteryear when a savings account actually was the vehicle in which to accumulate wealth. This study should have asked whether an individuals net worth is increasing or decreasing which is a more accurate indicator of financial health.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Why worry -- I am sure Iggy has a plan to fix this with more cash for life Federal programs. How can parents teach their kids about sound rational financial practices when they haven't got that knowledge themselves....?


Melanie
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Way to go, Rowann, it can be done if you don't fall for the "needs" of what has become a spoiled generation (and I include all age groups who think they "need" every electronic gadget out there). Living frugally is fun and much more rewarding than spending every last cent and racking up credit-card debt just to have all the latest stuff. I gave up my car 8 years ago, I do transit and walk (one humongous expense is gone), and it's wonderful, plus no "vices", and no debt – it's a great feeling. I'd much rather have money in the bank than the latest iPhone or big-screen TV.


Ojo
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Something people are completely forgetting to mention here that make's it just as difficult for struggling Canadians to get ahead. It's really, really difficult to get on top of things with your creditors when your creditors keep kicking you back down with all their unregulated fees, penalties and backdoor tactics. I had a credit card balance under my limit, but when they added their monthly interest of around $5, well that brought me over my limit and they were able to charge $29 overlimit fee! That's just the tip of it, and we all know it. Late fees, overlimit fees, yada yada yada. Our we done paying for Ontario Hydro's screw up yet???


Lila
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Considering the spate of bailouts that are happening globally, I hope this government will not decide to "share" some of my bank account with people who never heard of saving for a rainy day. Saving for the future used to be de rigueur, now people think they can live it up, go into debt, and expect government handouts to keep them going. Please don't make their lack of foresight my problem.


YYCKelsey
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Honestly, the majority of Canadians could have enough money to save, however they have no clue how to say no to themselves. They spend money on eating out, cigarettes, alcohol, shopping, entertaining their kids with movies and shopping trips instead of telling them to play outside. I think a lot of Canadians are more focused on having the latest gadget, and all the gadgets. Just because a company releases a new TV doesn't mean you have to have it. Also, focused on being dressed the best and going to fancy restaurants. People need to learn to buy what they "NEED" not what they "WANT". Saving is easy you just have to actually make an effort to do it.


Doug @ BC
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When I was in high school I was taught that the first bill a person should pay on payday is their savings account. %-10% right off the top,no questions asked. They you live on 80% and give 10% to charity. It woked very well. I never made big money, and I often went without things I wanted, but I always had what I needed. So, from my perspective as a guy who always had a game plan, I find it a bit rich to hear from people posting on here that they have no money for savings. Why?? Because under my plan I would have cancelled my internet access if that was the only way I could pay my first bill. My savings account. People have their priorities wrong. Savings is as high a priority as food and shelter. Cell phones, internet access and cable packages are things we WANT. Savings, like food and shelter, are things we NEED. If you are using your own computer and ISP to post on here, you have enough money to have savings. You just CHOOSE not to.


Mark
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Why would Canadians save their own money? We live in a socialist utopia where the government will look after our every need for all of eternity.


Alberta Bound
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With student loans and no career yet thanks to what happened in 2008, of course I don't have any savings.


Rowann
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my husband and i live quite well on 24k a year. i am on disability, he is a janitor. granted, we dont live in a major city, so our housing costs are lower, but we have a mortgage on a nice house, we have enough to pay our bills, including internet, buy food, the occasional want, and still can save $50 a month. its not a lot, but it adds up. how do we do this? its amazingly simple, we dont buy stuff we simply do not need. our 10 year old 'boxy' tv is just fine, we dont need a new car every 5 years, we go camping instead of going to mexico, we dont eat out. we say "no" to credit card offers, or buy now pay later stuff. its really not a hard word to learn. perhaps if people learned this magic word, they could save $50 a month. it can be done, even by those of us below the poverty line.


Get Real
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What do you think??? Massive taxes, price of food, gas, and so hard to get a personal loan in Canada!! Of course people do not have any savings, hard to save when all is so expensive.


Winnipeg Jim
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People are finding it very difficult to save. If you are struggling to make ends meet and food and gas prices are rising, savings takes a back seat to everyday survival. Oh and let's not forget, if you are a student or a recent graduate, paying off student loans is now a very significant cost factor. And I don't believe our government can save much these days, after all someone is going to have to pay for the corporate tax cuts.


Anne
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We work a half year paying taxes, so no wonder many of us can't have a large savings account. Many of us do our best, are not frivilous spenders yet there is little left of a paycheck once normal bills are paid.


wstrncehnehdeh in SK
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The fact that Canadians don't have any savings shouldn't surprise anyone. Have you checked the interest rates for "Savings" accounts? It's just plain stupid to even have one! Deregulating the banking industry might help to remedy that problem.


Raj
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I have saved all my life. Even when I was working 3 jobs. I saved. I was taught this by my parents


Gord Gottfredsen
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Maybe if we had a government that was working for the people instead of trying to line their own pockets and help their rich friends, life would be easier. We get gouged by everyone, starting with taxes and continuing with most others, oil companies (why do we pay 35% at least higher than US) food (even if home grown, its more expensive, etc. etc. etc.


Paul J Graham, Woodstock NB
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Savings are an absolute luxury. I have a massive student loan, I can't even consider saving money until they are paid off...guess I should have tried to be a Doctor or Nurse, then I'd have provinces making any deal possible to help me.Just another quick comment: the remarks about blaming the Liberals on this site are not quite correct. The Liberals certainly did students no favours with their austerity measures that turned my government bursary into a loan, doubling my debt....however, they can hardly be blamed for "social spending" since that is what the majority of Canadians want... I don't support the Liberals, but I want strong Pensions, healthcare, and reduced costs of Education.... I won't get that from Conservatives.


Dave
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Eventually we can all resort to lining up at the food bank because the rich will never change their ways , they don't want to share the wealth with anyone .The middle class are being eliminated in record fashion leaving only the poor and the wealthy . THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT WILL BE THE NEXT THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES ON THE PLANET IN JUST A SHORT TIME.


Paying my own way
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Thank you Pfff, that was well-said. I guess I was trying to get to that point too, but poorly. You're exactly right that so-called "studies" need to clarify what groups they're studying. My point was that many of the people who are claiming to not be able to make ends meet are actually making a good living, but it's their spending habits that are to blame.


Dag Wood in Ottawa
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Well i bet these people living paycheck to paycheck cant wait for the 5000$ increase in the already 5000$ tax free savings account the conservatives are promising... as soon as they balance the budget...


Mary-Ontario
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I'll bet many of those who said they couldn''t save have cell phones and all the latest gadgets and eat out a lot. Even a coffee out every week day will amount to almost $500 a year. It all depends on priorities. Either you do without a few luxuries now to save so you can live in comfort in your senior years or you get everything now and starve later. Youi can't have your cake and eat it later


Pfff
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I get frustrated reading articles that force-feeds conclusions according to research that was half understood by the article author. What were the age groups of the respondants? What was their family situation (kids, no kids)? Any university studies? The 25-30 age group fresh out of 7 year university are likely to have great debts but will clear them eventually. The 30 something waitress might not... You can't take a study and put a statement like "The majority of canadians can't manage their budget". Makes no sense and it's useless to know.


RWR
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This is no surprise to me. I live in BC, probably the most expensive place to live. On top of that a very high percentage of employers seem to take advantage of the higher unemployment rate to avoid paying what people are worth. Year after year after year with no raise and no benefit plan. So any savings you manage end up going to dental or medications. With the amount of breaks business gets you would think they could be a little more generous to employees that are making their businesses profitable


NoContest
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Another third has some savings and massive debt.


Rob middle income slave
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Thats probably because the oil companies, drug, banks, gst, property taxes, provincial , federal, education, higher price of food because of oil, companies out sourcing Canadian jobs, Tax payers money being wasted on elections, tire taxes, liquor taxes, recycling fees, road taxes, gasoline taxes, electronics taxes, service fees on utilities, carring charges, regestration fees, federal fees for paper work, GST fees to bury you when your dead. Government looking after refugees and everybody else who doesn't want to work. And there is the average middle income earner, now how much is left for savings for a family of four?


Roy
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And thanks to the banks people cannot save because the banks are continnually pushing credit cards down peoples throats, I personally get on average one request a week and if not by mail by phone. With a lot of vulnerable people out there they just can't save.


Mike
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People are not able to save because the previous years ago when the liberals were in power they decided to increase our taxes to support their social and welfare agenda. Just look at the Liberal government here in Ontario the cost of Hydro going up again the cost of fuel going up again. I know why my daughter and her husband who both work just manage on what they earn. They seldom go out and spend beyond their means. There will be other factors, if the liberals and NDP form the government then they may have to go on welfare. I believe that this is what the Liberals and NDP want to do and also to Bankrupt the country. The Conservatives are on the proper course and may help my daughter and her husband possible save when the economy is back on track. Please help the corporations create more jobs as this will benefit the country. More jobs means more income to spent on goods and services here in Canada


Paying my own way
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The sad thing about this story, is that they don't mention the spending habits of the respondents. I see so many "poor" families who earn the same amount as me, but they're couples who each smoke over a pack a day (over $6570 per year), eat out a couple times a week ($4160 per year), and go out to the pub on Fridays or Saturdays ($5200 per year), drive a new car (over $3600 per year) but say that they don't get paid enough to live on. Okay, a new car isn't necessarily a luxury if it's not an expensive one, since repairing old cars costs about the same as paying for a new one, so let's ignore that one. They're still blowing $15930 or more per year on smoking, booze and dining out. Imagine what $15,930 per year would buy. Why, in 10 years a condo is paid for. Before we all feel too badly for many of these people, let's see how they're spending the money they're getting, then decide. Don't just go on someone telling you they're not "able" to make ends meet. Let's deal with facts, not just hearsay.


Ben Howard TO
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Please!!! You dont know how good you have it over here. Try living in the UK, then you know what its like to live in a broken country. There are currently 60 million people in the UK, and a lot less money than there is in Canada. Wages are the same, but everything is twice the price. Every day there is another story about how bad things are in Canada. You have no idea.


Robertmcconnell
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not enough money no kidding living off $100 a week on disability 48 cents saved in the bank account though


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