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Toronto officer apologizes for 'slut' comment
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For all those people who think that telling a woman not to dress like a slut is sound rape prevention advice, I totally agree. In fact, I'd go farther. All women should wrap themselves up in yards of fabric and only be permitted to leave their homes in the company of a male relative. Then men can't be tempted. It's working so great in other countries!Seriously, blaming the victim? I thought we had outgrown that nonsense. Also, I don't think "freedom of speech" is defined as "you can say anything you want to anyone and no one is allowed to disagree with you or ask for an apology." But I might be wrong.
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Toronto officer apologizes for 'slut' comment
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Toronto officer apologizes for 'slut' comment
ctvtoronto.ca
Date: Thursday Feb. 17, 2011 5:20 PM ET
A Toronto police officer who told a gathering of university students that women could avoid sexual assault by not dressing like "sluts" has issued an apology.
Mark Pugash, director of communications for the Toronto Police Service, said the officer would send a written letter of apology to faculty and students at York University for inappropriate comments made at the university's Osgoode Hall Law School.
The officer in question sent a written apology to the school later on Thursday.
Pugash said the officer had also been disciplined internally.
The comments were reportedly made during a campus safety meeting on Jan. 24.
Toronto Police Const. Wendy Drummond had said the statement was looked into by the professional standards unit.
"The comments are not something that is condoned by the (Toronto Police) service and we treat the allegations very seriously," she said.
York University's campus newspaper the Excalibur first reported the comments on Wednesday, quoting a school official who attended the meeting.
Ronda Bessner, an assistant dean of Osgoode's Juris Doctor Program, told the Excalibur she was shocked to hear a police officer offer the advice.
"One of the safety tips was for women not to dress like ‘sluts.' He said something like, ‘I've been told I shouldn't say this,' and then he uttered the words," Bessner told the Excalibur. She said she has contacted police and asked for an apology.
York officials said they were shocked by comments purportedly made by the officer and said they did not represent the university.
"York has a good and very collaborative relationship with Toronto Police Service. However, we were surprised and shocked by the comment that was made by the constable, and we at York certainly do not agree with it," York University spokeswoman Janice Wells said in an email to ctvtoronto.ca.
Pugash said the comments were "diametrically opposed" to how officers are trained to deal with cases of sexual assault.
With files from The Canadian Press
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No one is asking Brad Wall or Dalton to ride naked with them. Asking a politician to do this is sexist pure and simple, even if he was joking.
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Firinn
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Russ
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"deserve" or "dont't deserve" isn't the question. The FACT is dressing provocatively will garner attention from perverts. He was simply spelling out that fact. No amount of P.C. bs will change that fact.
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Dan (toronto)
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Choices have consequences, and placing temptation, whether it be wealth or yourself, obviously in front of immoral and potentially dangerous people must increase the risk from those people. To fail to say so would be a disservice to those you are trying to protect.
In my book, safety concerns should trump political correctness.
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regardless of what a woman wears it is NEVER her fault that she is assaulted. even thinking that warrants therapy for you.
seriously. are we to hop into burkas so that we don't tempt our men?
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Scott - Toronto
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It would have been very easy for this Officer to get the same message across without insulting every woman who likes to look hot. Like it is ok to dress sexy in a safe environment but don't walk home alone in the dark drunk wearing your tight little party dress.
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Andrew
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It is always wrong to blame the victim. This officer should know better.
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For this police officer to tell young women to avoid dressing like sluts so as to avoid getting sexually assault is to remove some of the blame from the assailant, and put it on the victim, effectively saying that the poor assailant could not help himself due to the provocative nature of the woman's clothing (or her attractiveness, or the fact she was out alone at night, or for whatever other reason).
This kind of thinking has no place in Canada whatsoever - but it is a large reason why so many victims of sexual assault are afraid or embarressed to come forward.
Beth
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Not offended
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The cop was only trying to convey common sense. So what, he chose "the wrong words" according to some people. The message is still the same.
This political correctness is getting out of hand. People are becoming far to sensitive over "words".
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Had the officer said this to a group of grade school kids, then yes I would consider that to be inappropriate, but to university students, he is simply presenting a real world outlook by using a term that would likely pop into a male predator's mind.
Universities are about presenting the real world, and considering ideas, however controversial - they shouldn't be about censorship and overreacting to "offensive" analogies...the officer's presentation was on avoiding sexual assaults, for Pete's Sake...
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John (Edm)
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Myth: Men sexually assault women because they cannot control their sexual urges
Fact: Sexual assaults are violent crimes committed by men who want to dominate and degrade women
Myth: "Nice" girls DO NOT usually get sexually assaulted.
Fact: Women of all ages, cultural backgrounds, social classes, and of all sexual lifestyles are equally likely to become victims of sexual assault.
James
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Raymond
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There should be no apology.
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Marg _ Toronto
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That arguement is not only naive it is not based in reality.
Study after study reinforces the fact that humans are a visual species and it determins how we view the world. If the way you dress and act is not appropriate to the situation then be prepared for the negative reaction.
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It is deeply offensive that women should have to adjust their dress to avoid rape, and it is not acceptable to consider how a woman was dressed in rape cases.
But if - and it's a big if - there was a correlation, some women would use the information to protect themselves. The opportunity to protect one self should not be removed from a person just because other people are offended that the question was asked.
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Mike in Mississauga
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Lets hold those who perpetrate the crimes responsible, perhaps?
Analogously, when I rough you up and steal your watch, it's -your- fault for wearing a nice watch knowing full well that people would want it.
Or that since I find your house ugly, I can start dumping my garbage there because it looks like a dump anyway.
Realize that "dressing like a slut" is completely subjective.
Realize further that you (and hence everyone else) have full choice and control over your actions towards other people.
It absolutely boggles the mind that an advanced, multicultural, forward-thinking country like Canada can have people who think that something like this is ok.
happy
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Dave
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His intentions here were good. He was offering frank, practical advise, if in a somewhat blunt or crude manner.
He was not suggesting that women dressing like "sluts" are deliberately asking to be accosted, but simply pointing out that someone with a predilection towards sexual assault is more likely to attack a provacative looking woman than a more conservatively dressed one.
This truly scares the crap out of me, that public saftey and sound advice should take a backseat to political correctness and sensitivity.
Should this cop be reprimanded for his choice of words while representing the police? Sure he should. Should he maybe be prevented from engaging in further such public speaking roles with the community? Ok. But should he be fired, his years of service and training thrown away, his ability to arrest criminals, protect victims and serve the public just tossed away? of course not!
Use your head.
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Ashley
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And who is the sacrificial lamb? The poor dear whose mama never told her what women have known since the time of first cave man.
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Ron
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Are those statements offensive to anyone?
I think he got it right. saying it any other way that I can think of either does ot clearly convey the thought or may be offensive somehow.
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She did not understand why I would not let her get a pair.
I told her that to me, they were just an opportunity to allow pedophiles to check out her butt, all while pretending they were just reading the words.
Yes, we should all be allowed to express ourselves but the reality is, when you dress like you are selling yourself for money, you will get unwanted negative attention.
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Chris
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People also shouldn't break into cars... so can I just ignore the truth and leave my car and house unlocked? Or should I look at the reality of the situation?
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