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Senator Marjory LeBreton appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010. Marjory LeBreton, Leader of the Government in the Senate and Secretary of State for Seniors leaves a press conference on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Tuesday Nov. 13, 2007. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) The Senate Chamber in Ottawa, Friday, Oct. 1, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP Leader Jack Layton becomes animated while directing a question to Prime Minister Stephen Harper during question period in the House of Commons in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010. Prime Minister Stephen Harper responds to a question during question period in the House of Commons in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010. Senator Marjory LeBreton appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010.

LeBreton: Liberals forced vote that killed climate bill

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The government senate leader says the senate did not kill the climate change bill and they were prepared to debate the bill, but the Liberals forced a vote because they did not want to wait.
Power Play: NDP Leader Jack Layton
Jack Layton believes Stephen Harper is allowing the unelected senators to use their power to subvert the democratic decision of the house. The bill should have been sent to a committee for hearings. Layton also discusses the details of the climate change bill.
Question Period: NDP hammers the Tories
NDP Leader Jack Layton asks Prime Minister Stephen Harper why he ordered Conservative senators to vote down a climate-change bill that was introduced by the NDP.

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Senator Marjory LeBreton appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010. Marjory LeBreton, Leader of the Government in the Senate and Secretary of State for Seniors leaves a press conference on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Tuesday Nov. 13, 2007. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) The Senate Chamber in Ottawa, Friday, Oct. 1, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP Leader Jack Layton becomes animated while directing a question to Prime Minister Stephen Harper during question period in the House of Commons in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010. Prime Minister Stephen Harper responds to a question during question period in the House of Commons in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010. Senator Marjory LeBreton appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2010.

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Date: Wed. Nov. 17 2010 9:01 PM ET

A Conservative senator who helped defeat a climate-change bill says the vote was not orchestrated by the government, but rather was the result of a Liberal mistake.

Senator Marjory LeBreton, the government leader in the Red Chamber, said Tuesday's vote occurred after Tory senators tried to stand the bill, meaning they wanted to leave it on the Senate schedule until they were ready to debate the legislation.

However, LeBreton said Sen. Grant Mitchell did not want to stand the bill -- a move that actually forced a vote on the bill's second reading.

"We were as surprised as anyone else that the Liberals forced a vote on second reading of this bill," LeBreton told CTV's Power Play.

"But once the Liberals presented us with an opportunity to defeat the bill, we of course were going to take it and defeat the bill because the government does not support this bill. The fact of the matter is this was not part of a strategy, this was something that landed in our laps. It was an opportunity to defeat the bill and we took the opportunity."

The surprise vote killed the Climate Change Accountability Act by a tally of 43-32. A number of Liberals were not in the Senate when the vote occurred.

LeBreton was responding to questions about accusations levelled by NDP Leader Jack Layton, who accused the prime minister of ordering Conservative senators to kill the legislation.

"Harper has lost his moral centre," Layton told Power Play, echoing comments he made earlier during question period in the House of Commons. "He stacked more into the Senate than any prime minister has ever done and then he turns around and uses those senators to overturn a decision of the democratic elected representatives of Canada on a vital issue."

The Climate Change Accountability Act, which was introduced by the NDP, called for greenhouse gas emissions to be cut 25 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020. The Harper government has set a cut of 17 per cent from 2005 levels by 2020, a target that is in line with that of U.S. President Barack Obama.

MPs passed the bill in May, when it went to the Senate.

When faced with Layton's accusations during question period, Harper said the Tories have been "very consistent and very clear" in their opposition to the bill, which he called "completely irresponsible."

"(The bill) doesn't lay out any measure of achieving (targets) other than by shutting down sections of the Canadian economy and throwing hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of people out of work," Harper said. "Of course we will never support such legislation."

LeBreton said despite the lack of government support for the legislation, Tory senators were prepared to continue discussing the bill and send it back to committee for further review.

Earlier Wednesday, environmentalists decried the results of the vote, saying the government is now headed into the upcoming United Nations climate talks in Cancun, Mexico, without a climate-change plan.

Representatives from 200 countries are scheduled to meet later this month to try to hammer out an international deal.

"As we head into the UN climate talks in Cancun later this month, it is unacceptable that Canada's only climate-change legislation has been defeated after years of majority support from our elected members of Parliament and their constituents," Graham Saul of the Climate Action Network Canada said in a statement.

Environment Minister John Baird denied Wednesday that the government doesn't have a climate-change plan heading into the Cancun conference.

Baird told Power play the targets set in the defeated climate bill were "unachievable."

But he said Canada will stick with its 17 per cent emission reduction target, and continue to work extensively with the Obama administration on environmental issues.

"Canada has a plan to eventually phase out our dirty coal power electricity generating stations," Baird told Power Play. "We are not perfect by any stretch but we are making good progress."

With files from The Canadian Press

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Havelock Heavy
said

Hi Marjorie, thanks for that insight, and just to let you know, I believe in Santa Claus too.


Will MTL
said

Pretty sad that some people have the power to overturn democracy in a country like Canada. To those who still debate climate change or our impact on our ecosystem, I dare you to go and drink from the river closest to your home, or go have a nice walk during a smog alert, something has to change, goals have to be set now even if they are unrealistic. Start by taxing high pollution, its not like the gas companies are gonna go somewhere else! the gas is here and it will still be more than profitable! Of course a greener life will be more expensive for Canadians, but can you put a price on what it can do for future generations? Besides, green tech can be more than profitable if we develop it properly and make Canada a standard for it.


Victor from Vaughan
said

Liberal mistake, ha.The irony is that the Liberals are now run by the likes of Joe Clark. No leader, no chance of government. Until the Liberals organize themselves they can't even keep themselves from crapping the bed.Huge mistake by the Liberals to force this vote.On November 29th vote Fantino !!!


Niagara George
said

Do you remember King Steve's whining when the Liberal majority in the Senate delayed the passing of Conservative bills. He and all his friends constantly cried about the 'will of the people' and the 'elected members passing bills' that must become law. How quickly the tune changes. The very first bill that did not have Harper's support comes to the new Conservative Senate and it gets voted down. What happened to 'the will of the people' and 'elected members bill'? I know... It was different when the Cons wanted something passed. Once again I tremble at the thought of what these maniacs will do if they ever get a majority!


Oli
said

Stop the people for producing so many children and then the forest will be happy growing,not too many factories, not too many cars, not too much genetically modified foods, not too many people living on the streets,not too many crooks running around, and not too many unemployed people. There is not too much future for the billions of children that will be born. The planet is sinking and we are dancing.Soon the planet population will be almost 9 billion. Who is going to feed them? I would like to see politicians involve in something like this if we want to save the planet. Lets imagine only 2 months without electricity.


CR
said

Grant Mitchell was a joke of a leader for the Alberta Liberals, and now he's a joke of a "senator" (quotation marks there because he was appointed by the Liberals instead of the ones democratically elected by Albertans)


Redneck Vic
said

Like many others have already said; If the main polluters are not going to do anything than why would we risk losing jobs and paying big bucks for what? To make smilin Jack & the NDP happy? Now to Linda Duncan (NDPer in Edmonton) why would you want to shut down the oil sands and cost 1,000's of jobs to Albertans? I thought you said you are there to represent Alberta's, well Albertan's do not want to shut down the Hand that feeds us my dear so maybe you should run down east next time before we run you out of town!!!


pikehunter
said

Man Made Global Warming is the biggest scam ever foisted on tax payers.Ever hear of "Climategate"?Go to Wattsupwiththat.com if you're newJack Layton wants to tax the world into a better place at precisely the same time it's going bankrupt.


Mel Blake
said

While the Tories are blatant hypocrites here, those opposed to them should remember that the senate is a separate legislative body independent of the house of commons. It did its job. Those railing against its actions should take note that the Supreme Court, the other part of our government system is also unelected and is appointed by the Prime Minister. Does this mean all its rulings are also void as well?


Rick N in Quinte West
said

Even the Conservatives in the Senate cannot take responsibility for any thing they do. What a bunch of jokers!


Jen
said

I am quite impressed with the typing skills of many of the posters here. I would never have thought that so many right wingers used a keyboard. Enjoy the last conservative lying government for a long time knuckledraggers. They're on their way out!


GHW
said

Jack Layton and his coalition of brainless power hungry ideologists are reckless and irresponsible. Thank God we have some sanity in our current Harper government.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

According to James Cowan, the Liberals' leader in the Senate, nobody expected that the Tory-dominated chamber would, in the end, pass Bill C-311. The silly gripe, therefore, centers on the Senate not being able to have a politically playful and pointless "debate" over a Bill that was destined to die anyway. Based on all the goofy and theatrically dramatic outrage on the Left, you'd think that the "Climate Change Accountability Act" was an inch away from being formally adopted when evil PM Harper pulled out his cell phone, made a call, and had it killed. IT WAS ON ITS WAY TO THE TOILET BOWL AS SOON AS IT REACHED THE SENATE. Chamber of "sober second thought," indeed. Making all the fuss even more of a farce is the allegation that a Liberal senator (Grant Mitchell) triggered the vote. Regardless of whether this hilarious element is true or not, it's time to get a grip, grow up, and move on, whiners.


Abiding Citizen
said

Quote: "The Climate Change Accountability Act, which was introduced by the NDP..."Nothing else needs to be said. It's been defeated.Layton, go away, you are a waste of parliamentary space and oxygen.


viral venus
said

So why is this news or even a surprise? This government and all of it's climate change denying minions would always have defeated this bill now that they have the numbers in the senate. They didn't want to debate they simply wanted to LOOK like they wanted to debate this bill. I'm not sure this was really an error so much as it was forcing the conservatives to show their neaderthal stand on this issue without any attempts to make it seem like they care about protecting the environment.


Justin
said

Ha ha ha. Typical Libs... When are some people just going to wake up!


shawnd77
said

Climate change will always accure, and yes man in influencing the environment. So my understanding is the tories want to address polution to save the environment. His plan is to get the US and other extremely large polutors like China, Russia and India to all make evironmental midigations together as not to affect the economey of either country. If Canada impliments strict climat laws, there would be limited effects as the US, China, Russia and India or central americas cutting down the rain forst like there is no tomorrow will kill the planet. Harpers fight to get these big polluting countries to cooperate will save the environment significantly. Even if they only do a little it would it would be 100 time more effects than the minimal effects this bill would have accomplished. So Harper is doing more for the evironment than Jack Layton. Oh Jack should be helping Harper to get the big world pollutors to adopt sastainable practices.


Sober, Newmarket
said

At last some common sense from the Upper Chamber. If they continue like this we might even think they deserve their pay.


Retired In Burlington
said

The main story here is not whether you are for or against the senate. It is another instance Liberal stupidity. If you give them a gun, they will shoot themselves in the foot every time.


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
said

The NDP, in their usual irresponsible way, sponsor a bill that would significantly affect our ability to compete in the world, while other nations that are larger polluters (if CO2 is really a pollutant) by far simply continue on their merry way. This is because the NDP will never form a national government and will never have to take responsibility for making stupid decisions. These lefty gadflys with their morally superior airs only care about what looks good to the environmentalists whose objective is to have all of us pushing handcarts and eating nuts and berries we glean from pesticide free fields. I am so sick ofJack Layton standing up and telling us what the Canadian public wants because somehow he is able to read our minds. Meanwhile he and his wife claim over $1MM in expenses and show no inclination to even explain these costs or try to reduce them. The NDP always talks out of both sides of their mouths and PUFF EM UP Jack is the worst example of the uselessness of these leftie loons. Thank goodness for a PM that uses commonsense to address problems rather than pontificating and posturing for the TV camers at a moments notice.


Bill
said

Once again, the Senate has indeed proved to be the House of Somber Second thought. The system worked just as designed and we were not railroaded into a piece of poor legislation. The idea was fine, but the trick was the implementation. It was unworkable.


Jamie D
said

Folks, read the article again. This isn't about an unelected senate. This is about a bill that was passed in the HoC, but was nixed by the senate. The issue here is not that it is some secret that some parties favour an unelected senate, and some don't. What is the issue is when the sitting prime minister stumps on something, says something to support it, then when convenient he uses the very thing he stumped against to his advantage because he was voted down on the issue. People aren't calling the Prime Minister smart. They are calling him incredibly stupid. This move is political suicide. And yes, I want the coal plant that is 30 KM's away to stop spewing that crap into the air. I can't go down there and threaten them, but I can use legistlation to make them do it. Now we have to go back to square one and redo this bill. Thanks conservatives for voting against something that is important in Alberta. (AB only uses coal to make electricity...). How about the Oilsands pumping all that C02 into the air? You folks aren't mad about that? Money isn't everything you know. Think about that when you have the respirator on your face from living too close to some business that got a free pass from this government.


Bill MacKay
said

Turf king steve!


Aaron in Toronto
said

It is EXTREMELY important for everyone on planet Earth to address global warming. However, if any agreement only apply to developed countries and not China, India, Brazil , etc then how is it effective?Most of the developed countries has already shift their factory to China. How much of CO2 can we truly reduce? This climate summit is what I consider to be good talk but completely ineffective. Canada is a northern country where we need heating during winter time or people will be frozen to death. We also need cars to move around in this 2nd largest land mass country. Our population is less than a medium size state in US, so in order to cut CO2 then it means everyone would not be able to live their lives in the most basic.Yes you can say the Tory snap this vote and caught the Liberal by surprise. If you deem this is dirty then I want to ask you how about all the Liberal Senators that missed the meeting? They are paid to be there and they are still collecting their salary even they were not at work.NDP Jack Layton, please I am begging you to think about the whole issue instead of your personal goal or being a tree hugger. I live in your riding and let me say it again, "YOU DON'T REPRESENT ME, MY WISH IS NOT TO GET INTO THIS ROUND OF CLIMATE CHANGE SUMMIT."


Jeff
said

On the Senate:For years I have been arguing with people trying to convince them that we need senate reform. They always argue that it is democratic because it is appointed by elected officials etc.... Suddenly these same people are saying the senate should be abolished, and that it is not democratic. What gives. Harper has wanted senate reform for years, but so far has been blocked by the opposition. Now Jack has venom in his eyes. Maybe if he had supported senate reform, his bill would have passed.Several people have stated that Harper has "stacked" the senate. Turns out Harper has 52 of 105 seats. Doesn't quite sound stacked to me. Does the senate speaker get a vote? I don't think so, which would bring down Harpers senate votes to 51 of 105. And, the only reason Harper was able to "stack" the senate was because the opposition has blocked reform.Maybe the reason the Senate was able to block this bill was because they were conserned more with the future of Canada, and not the results of the next election. Kind of like our judges, they are able to look at issues a little more impartialy. Or maybe they just did what Harper said; I don't know.


Bjorn
said

I think I will have to agree with Layton on this one. Canada does need to move towards a clean energy, renewable resource, economy. It will only be a matter of time before we exhaust our resources and then Canada's golden age will be over. Preparing for the future is the only way we can become a world power. This was a big mistake for the Conservatives.


PBW
said

Well well, the senate blocks a bill; who would have believed that! Perhaps it is acting other than a rubber stamp for a change. However, it would be far far better, and far more democratic (got it, Mr. Layton?) were the senate to be comprised of elected members. At that point, would the Leader of the NDP have any grounds whatsoever for objecting??? No, but he would still create a fuss just for the sake of doing so.


LDL in ONT
said

Angry little fellow that Jack Layton. Jack, Here's a little song I wrote, you might want to sing it note for note, Ah don't worry, beeee Happy.......


B. Kelley, Ontario
said

I'm trying to figure out just who these Canadians are that Jack Layton claims to speak for. I'm having trouble finding anyone who wants to pay more and more tax, to have more and more restrictions put on personal choice, to support control of business by big unions, to provide free lunch for every freeloader who demands it and support for every minority interest group that comes along. Mr. Layton sees his role as some kind of social conscience in the Commons when in fact he just comes across as the court jester.


Becky
said

Maybe this will help the NDP and Liberals see the need for Senate reform.


Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
said

Layton is right to point out the contradiction but no one in the Tory party or its base really cares.The whole anti-senate campaign was something Harper carried with him over from his Reform Party days and it never took into account one thing i.e. what if the current system of the senate could protect petroleum industry profits.The popular fallacy of the triple e senate idea was that it would have prevented the National Energy Program. Yet the NEP was popular in 7 out of 10 provinces and never would have done away with it.Yes, it is hypocrisy. But in the oil patch it is the kind of hypocrisy that they're thankful for.


Sean
said

This is the latest in the media's campaign to get the "Liberal"/Separatist/NDP coalition "back to power". Who cares about the scam of "Global Warming", only the sheep of the left and the igiots in the media. The media in Canada are a pack of socialists, marxists, and Canada haters. To bad for the media there aren't enough dumbass's in the country to follow their slanted distorted propaganda.


Roger Dodger
said

And where exactly were the Liberals in the Senate? Oh right, they are entitled to their pay cheques but they don't feel they are obligated to show up.


Jeff
said

1) Why is this Harper's fault. It was the senate.2) It is a good thing someone stopped this. Who reading this really wants to transition our economy to a "Developing" level? I understand why Jack's communists liked this bill, but what on earth were the Liberals and PQ doing supporting it in the first place. During the GST fiasco, I lost faith in the senate. Turns out they are capable of doing something worthwhile.3) Does anyone still believe AGW is going to be a significant issue for Canada (or the world for that matter)? If you do, you should start digging into the science. You will find it is a house of cards based on fudged data.


Mark
said

This bill was not good for Canada nor was it a responsible bill. Just because this is what Layton wanted and the "Will of the House" doesn't mean it was good for Canadians. Just like the Kyoto protocol, it was bad, bad, bad.If Comerade Jack doesn't like it, then maybe he should work with Harper to either abolish the Senate or make it an elected chamber.


Firinn
said

No matter what side of global warming you stand on.Debate me this lemmings .Pollution is good ?Garbage is good ?Dwindling resources is good ?Dirty energy is good?Or is creating a sustainable healthy planet with new jobs perhaps a better way to go ??? Especially here in Canada where new technology such as the Hemp farming industry can do wonders !Check out Stonehedge Bio- Resources Inc in Stirling ON. Actually met the man behind the magic and innovation at the Hastings and Prince Edward farmers association meeting. The Revolution has begun !The Peoples Party !


in disbelief
said

wow...great "government" we have...and for those who say it's a ploy to drive our wealth to China...it's the Tories and their Republican friends south of the border who want free trade....of course it is cheaper to manufacture something if you don't need to meet pollution targets....ever seen the nice refinery flame here in Edmonton? Not happening in other countries, refineries must meet stringent targets, not so much in Canada. But heaven forbid if I light my wood burning fireplace, then they all come howl about pollution. WHATEVER...


Chrisinmb
said

killed it? GOOD!


Scott ON
said

The real problem facing us today isn't climate change. It's overpopulation. Simple as that


James in Toronto
said

I am a die hard, life lone progressive. That said, I really wish our politicians would give up perpetuating this scam. It's just sad.


David - Ottawa
said

The conservatives have no respect for the parliament we elected - and therefore no respect for demcracy.. Plain and Simple.


helpaerica
said

i Am Canadian and I don't want what Jack wants


Jake
said

The senate is a part of our parliament and needs to be respected, perhaps elected, but just the same respected. Under our system the senate took effective action. Action which should have been taken long ago in spit Taliban Jack's antics. The GREEN nonsense has to be put in the garbage and the senate made a first good step. Give the senators a raise, at least those that voted to kill the bill.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

25 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020...? How would that really work... Electrical blackouts and prohibitions on driving in the GTA for 25% of the work week...? That might come close as long as we shut down all oil sands operations created in the last 20 years and banned driving on every highway in Canada every fifth day of the week and closed the airports every Friday. But it would still miss the mark. You would really have to reduce agricultural activities by a significant percentage to reach that reduction target. So we would have 1/4 of our food supply. We could always ration food like in WWII. The liberals knew this of course... That is why NOTHING ever happened on the file during their reign. Even if the NDP formed a government -- they wouldn't attempt such unilateral national insanity.


L
said

Julie from Toronto, our system does not have a true per capita set up right now, even for MPs, provinces with small populations, like the Maritime provinces, have protected numbers of MPs. However, it should be 2 or 3 senators per province, why shouldn't all provinces have one house where they are all equally represented? That is how it is done in the US, same number of senators for each and every state, regardless of population. Or, if you would rather per capita, as long as its truly done per capita, meaning the Maritimes and Quebec get the number of seats they should based on their populations and not their political clout or old consititutional documents, then ok. However, I don't see that ever happening. Happy the senate killed this bill though, it was unworkable, unrealistic and would have seriously damaged our economy. As many have said, until the major polluters are on board, little Canada won't make a bit of difference, and shouldn't if its to the detriment of our economy when other nations aren't willing to make the same sacrifices.


LONG John Sliver
said

I can only assume that the reason that Mr. Harper was against this bill was that the word 'long' was in there somewhere. Canadians need to remember that he didn't like the LONG gun registry and the LONG form census. So MPs should take note of this fact and choose words that are more attractive to Harper, like, avoid, ignore, suppress, evade, duck, etc. Lesson learned for the next time...


Pam
said

Now is the time for Jack to sit with the PM and help push a bill through the house to have an elected senate. Let's see if he will close his mouth long enough to do this! I will believe it when I see it. All he ever does is run off at the lip but does not help do anything for Canada.


bryan Owen Sound
said

funny how mr layton always say's Canadians Want & Canadians are asking blah blah blah I nor my friends have never been asked so i wish the NDP would stop spouting what Canadians want


Karl deBoer
said

Why are we giving Layton the time of day ?


Steve - Toronto
said

Layton is a waste of taxpayers dollars.


charlie
said

Harper telling the Conservative Senators to vote down the NDP Climate Pie-in-the-Sky bill? How dare he? This is holy NDP stuff, anointed by Jack Himself. I mean. you would never have Jack bullying HIS members into doing anything similar, like changing their votes and supporting the Gun Registry after they voted to abo;lish it on second reading, would you? Oh, you would. It did happen - wow!

Stay tuned folks.
said

Remember- the 2nd porogation- Changing the lyrics on the national anthem- Changes to the census.These were all actions that the conservatives mistakenly thought people wouldn't care about. I think this is going to anger a lot of people. Not because the senate voted down a bill, but in the underhanded way in which it was done.


Brian
said

Who cares WHAT Jack "Socialist" Layton thinks. He is not the Leader of the Opposition and will never be Prime Minister.


Julie from Toronto
said

Mike from Pembrook. I'm assuming you mean on a per capita basis? Or are you suggesting that Ontario should have the same number of senate seats as Alberta?


Dambuster1992
said

In regards to the Senate, I kind of agree with "Dave", maybe it is time to get rid of it.......either that or make it like the Senate in the U.S.....elected and accountable! Appointed officials should not be able to overrule an elected body of government, but that being said, the Supreme Court is all appointed postings and they always seem to be telling the government what it has to do! I have to wonder, is this really a truly "Democratic" system we have here? I don't think so!


Chris
said

Wonderful news! Thank you Canadian Senate for voting against the climate scam.


Proff Democracy not
said

The only scam here is the conservative support of democracy. People across Canada elected members of parliment to represent them in parliment. Now their vote means nothing and neither do the votes of Canadians. How can we assign solders to be killed in the name of democracy and not stick up for democracy in our own country in the same breath. Only in a conservative run nation can that happen. Democracy in Canada is a sham and a scam and the Prime Minister should be ashamed.


Lz in Edmonton
said

And in other news, the NDP would love to be able to grow sweet smelling plants in your basement; and think giving other people YOUR money is the best solution to global warming; lastly life on Mars has been given new life as an NDP'er wants to go on a one way trip to convince that C02 is a global warming gas which Mars has plenty of....


Adam
said

Julie, glad you are listening.Revelation...the climate has always been changing.


Pop_the_Global_warming_balloon
said

Global warming is nothing more then a world wide scam to pump loads of money out of Canada and other countries. I'm happy the senate killed the bill. If anything the world has cooled since 2005 and at the time they were saying the weather would only get worse with more intense hurricanes in the south, yet there hasn't been that many since or barely any for that matter and funny how the media hasn't brought that up or asked an environmentalist that question which would be interesting how they'd respond to it. I wish they were elected and would be nice if Layton would support that goal. Global warming is only a Global Scam of the worse kind!


Laurie
said

Ding dong the bill is deadThe bad old bill, the bad old billDing dong the wicked bill is dead.....la la la la la la la


Arby
said

Thousands of scientists who disagree with fudged facts and figures regarding global warming and the climate change paranoia scenario are ostracized and demoted. It's just not politically correct to disagree or have an alternate opinion. Climate change has been here since the beginning of time. The Dinosaurs ruled for 250 million years or more. Now it's our turn. Instead of worrying so much about climate change, the Suzuki's and Gore's of the world should be more concerned about a stray comet or asteroid face planting into earth.Now that would really create some "climate change".


Robert B
said

Just give the Conservatives a majority and you'll see the wheels of the Senate began to sow down, hopefully to a elected one./ hence democratic !!


Will
said

This is exactly why we have the upper house, to balance the actions of the House of Commons and provide a chamber for sober second thought on legislation. This legislation was stampeded through parliament and is based on a political agenda tied to bad science (the disproven global warming/climate change myth). To the senate: Well done.


Arby
said

You got to love it. Now the Liberals get a taste of their own medicine.Throwing billions to fight climate change is a joke.The climate change fear mongering has more to do with the Sun acting up. That's right, forces we mere mortals cannot control. The opposition parties continue their doom and gloom scenarios to enact legislation to drain more money out of the taxpayer's wallet.


Slippery slope
said

I am a conservative, and a fan of the left wing David Suzuki, even thou David does not like us conservatives...lol. He has a great book out, "The Legacy" which is a great light read, and also a little scary. Pollution is devasting our planet, no doubt. It's not just about the change in temperature, but the killing of our food stocks on planet earth. The hourglass is tipped, and we are running out of time to fix things.... Not that I am worried; but I do understand, so should you.


JimM in NB
said

Good on the Senate. I dislike unelected people making significant decisions, but at least there is somebody in Ottawa not catering to the global warming hogwashers.


Jamie D
said

So this means that Canada is not sending a representative to Cancun right? If canada has no plan, why would they even consider going to mexico to discuss nothing? You can bet the MP's are lining up for the free trip to mexico to talk about the thing that apparently doesn't exist in the conservative world. So what is with conservatives denying reality? 50% is attainable. It would mean actually leading the countries government, and putting in environmental laws that are meant to protect, not pad the pockets of corporate friends. but we already see what we are getting from this government. NOTHING.


Darren
said

1st off, I think before making big changes on the Senate, make a small one. Each Senator does not get paid their pittance unless they go to every meeting. Actually EVERY elected Governmnet official and all levels of Governmnet should loose pay as they miss meetings.After this change, make it elected.


Julie in Toronto
said

Jim Lad. Thanks. For a minute there I thought you had actually monitored co2 levels in your backyard and were going to provide convincing proof that those levels are not rising. Silly me. I'm happy to know that opinion have risen above fact to push the climate saga where it belongs.. Thank God we aren't using scientific fact to make policy. That wouldn't make any sense at all. I shall sleep easy knowing that this whole thing is a scam and everything is made up. Phewww! One last thought. Perhaps the SCAM is the fact that national governments and multinational corporation's continue to price carbon at zero. Perhaps it is us that is being scammed.


Bob in Ontario
said

Good for the senate. When one of the biggest polluters on this planet starts worry about climate change then that’s when Canada should start worrying about it. For every ton of crap that Canada pumps into the air China puts 10 times that amount into the air BUT we don’t heart the green beanies crying about that, only that Canada is doing nothing. Give me a break, I have not been convinced all this global warming stuff is for real. The science experts can’t even agree on global warming. When there is 100% undeniable proof then Canada should take the lead but until then why should our companies pay the price and let China dump all the stuff they want into the air and make millions of $$$ in the process.China,


Charles Regina
said

"Damon" said it best. Scam or no scam; pollution is horrible. Regulating our emissions isn't difficult at all; ...politicians are difficult to regulate! Fear of change prevents much too...Here are a couple of Jack Herer's simple, solutions: 1) All paper would be derived from Hemp. No more cutting tree's= more oxygen in the air. A massive industry transfer would need to be in order. (This isn't about "sativa" ppl). 2) Biomass energy from hemp becomes the new fuel standard in conjunction with hybrid electric vehicles. Jack Herer made a $100,000 challenge to anybody & company to prove him wrong, and NOBODY has challenged him. Read his book for more info!!! Where one industry ends, a new one is sure to begin...


Mike from Pembroke
said

I don't believe the senate should be abolished, but it should be elected with the same number of seats from each province. I also feel that the people running for the senate should not belong to any of the parties in parliament. At least this way, when a bill hits the senate floor you don’t have people voting along party lines. Yes, I know that is a pipe dream but just maybe the bills will be looked at and voted on the merit of the bill not which party has put the bill to the floor.


Tim
said

Like feel good do nothing fiasco called the Chicago Climate Exchange which went under last week, this bill was nothing but a shell. Try and cut greenhouse gases 25% bloew 1990 without losing jobs. Then the Conservatives would be blamed for those job losses like they are currently being blamed for the world wide economic downturn. And the magical "green" jobs that the Liberals and NDP were foolishly promoting can't just appear overnight. The lefties will be crying about this for the next little while.


proudsoldier
said

so now the ndp do not like a unelected seneat ,what a suprise. and the same group of folks that cried about the cons wanting to change the seneat are seeing red . because harper has used there own words against them. as too this tree hugger crap JOBS FIRST! and then we work on the climate.


Joe Canadian
said

It's beautiful man! Years ago Harper said he wanted Senate reform....nobody supported the idea so he went about his business filling it with PC backers. Well, looky here says jack and Iggy, we dun bin outmanooovered and they gots all them redneck types in the senate! Maybe we shuld reform that dad gum thing afore any more o' thim Tory people gits in there. OOps - ya mean he dont wanna reform it no more? Brilliantly played Mr, Harper!


Alberta Boy
said

Hey! Mr. Harper now is the time to bring in the need for an elected Senate, the NDP want it, and will vote for it.Lets go for it now---------------- and go for a vote tomorrow as the Libs. are roasting Iggy tomorrow.Ha Ha--------------Love ya Iggy!


john
said

I wonder if this has anything to do with Obama abandoning his greenhouse gas plan last week. Evnvironmental plans are great when they make sense. Unfortunately we've been inundated with false information for the past decade and now people don't want to waste billions, just so we can look enviromental. Ontario is a great example of billions being spent and little being accomplished, except for higher energy costs, of course.


Paracelsus
said

Bill C-311 is a terrible measure aimed at a nonexistent problem. It would have a profound negative effect on the economy of Canada. Bravo to the Senate in finally shooting this idiocy. down.


TerryR Lethbridge
said

Look up the facts most glaciers in North America are growing. The surface of the earth is getting colder.The only thing warming up is the oceans, from the bottom up and not the top down, they are not rising but in fact are declining.Ever notice the number of volcanoes erupting on land. There are hundreds more under the oceans, this is what is causing the oceans to warm from the bottom up.Why have the British scientists backed off?They got caught lying about it, or are memory's that short. It is just away to get more taxes out of the people of the world.


Gregoryd
said

Who cares it was a stupid bill anyway. There is no sense spending all that money on climate change when the biggest polluters are not on board with any climate change. Get the US and China on board then go for it. Until then it is just throwin good money away when we could use it for other things.


scott
said

Anyone with half a brain knows that no matter what Canada does with regards to climate change, at the end of the day it will not make a bit of differance. Our government will blow hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars to do nothing more than make it look like they actually give a damn. If every man, woman and child in Canada were to disappear of the planet tomorrow, it would not make a dent in the global co2 levels. This country only has a population of just over 32 million. Canadians simply will not accept the fact that in the grand scheme of the global warming farce canadians are insignificant and irrelevant. Instead of throwing away all that money, why not use it to protect our land and water from companies who will destroy all that they can get their hands on for a quick profit. These greedy, profit driven companies are the biggest threat that canadians face.


Bob in Calgary
said

I think what we really need to focus our efforts is capping volcanoes. They are the largest contributor of carbon.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

Those who want to turf the Senate and believe that climate change is induced by anthropogenic sources of greenhouse gases and who fully subscribe to the precepts of the Al Gores and Phil Joneses of this world, might wish to read the book Climate: The Counter Consensus by Professor Robert M. Carter. It is a very sound, scientific and rationale approach to the realities of climate change by a renowned authority in the field of paleoclimatology. If, after reading this treatise, an individual is still convinced that climate change as such is due directly to the combustion of fossil fuels, at least that opinion will be held with a full appreciation of the arguments to the contrary. Given very serious doubts about the reality of climate change and its purported causes, I happen to believe that for once, the Canadian Senate actually earned its pay.


SM in Montreal
said

It is Not Democratic when you deliberately call for a Vote knowing full well that a number who are unaware will be absent!


Jim Lad
said

Julie in TorontoGlad you asked, Julie.This vote actually falls on the anniversary of what has been dubbed "Climategate".Basically what happened is that close to a thousand E-mails between climate scientists (which should have been in the public domain) were either by accident or design, released to the public. The E-mails showed a long track record of manipulating data, blocking dissenting views and basically trying to create the illusion of anthropogenic global warming. The E-mails showed that Science Journals were in on it. That is only a small part of it but in it's wake, the scientific community has investigated themselves four times and each time, found themselves innocent of all wrongdoing.I know that my answer only scratches the surface for you but suffice to say that support for Global Warmists has waned dramatically in this past year.


jason
said

there were actually that many senators in the room at once?!?! looks like harper has a leash on more than just his MPs.senate reform for the winnn


Ella-Max
said

Good! This is all B.S. for transfer of our wealth and redistribution to the 3rd world and driving us further into the 'Made in China' poor house. If the far left in Canada (socialists and communists) want to protect the climate maybe they ought to go to the land of their beloved leaders Mao and Stalin and tell them that Beijing looks foggy and it's hard to breathe as they close down all those dirty factories spewing God knows what in the air.


Conservative Mike
said

This may be the first nail in the coffin for:1. The Conservative Government2. The Appointed SenateInaction on climate change is unacceptable to world opinion, and to left-wing Canadians, especially as the symptoms of global warming are stating to occur at a far-faster-rate than anticipated.


John Lethbridge
said

Wow, up to now I thought the Senate was a waste of time. I would have loved to see Layton's face when they broke this to him. Wonderful news.


Carl
said

The Liberals themselves called the vote and then failed to get their own Senators to the chamber on time. Ha ha! Are they ready to support Conservative efforts to reform the Senate now?


robin hood
said

"The government has no plan going into a conference on the future of the climate-change crisis in this country," he said.Perhaps gentleman you could invite god to your little get together and find out what his/her plans on global warming are maybe then you’ll have something to work with! My prediction for Canada is California weather coming soon. Get used to it! What snow? "Canada will be one of the few, probably the only country, who has absolutely nothing. The only thing we had going for us was that the House of Commons had adopted the targets established by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning scientists of the United Nations, who represent the best thinking globally." Re: absolutely nothing. THING NOT NOTHING THING NOTES ABSOLUTION.


Doug @ BC
said

HMMMMM? I thought you Tory supporters didn't like the Senate? Unelected, undemocratic didn't you say? I only wish our government would represent all Canadians. It is so very sad when everything our government does is based on ideology.


Strategy by Harper
said

I think this is a ploy by Harper to get his Senate reforms.Personally, I think we should give these Senators the heave-ho.


Lloyd H.
said

Why wasn't there enough Liberal Sentors to vote; where the heck were they? Enough of this attitude of "we'll show up when we think we need to; but, please keep paying our outrageous salaries...."


OlCarfreek
said

These Government people See the world naturally going through change & figure out a way to tax the people for mother natures natural system change that has been going on from when the earth Was "born" Discusting


SDCinNS
said

Harper has long been an advocate of abolishing the Senate. And this is the very reason that he wanted rid of it - it can be used to thwart the will of the elected House.Apparently however, he's not above using it.But, if we don't like it - then we should be in favor of getting rid of it.As Ed Broadbent once said, "the Senate is supposed to be for 'sober second thought' - but I doubt that most times it's even sober!"I've never been an Ed Braodbent fan - but I think he hit the nail on the head.


James
said

This is really disturbing. The conservatives don't even want to try to do more than what they say they're going to do. It's one thing to not reach ambitious targets. It's another to not even try. Where does that leave us as a nation. We look like a laughing stock going into the Cancun talks. Shameful on our government's part.


markass
said

I support the senate, but why not rethink the rules that they are governed by. How, after all this debate, can a "snap" vote be called? Secondly, where were the Liberal members? A vote should require that ALL members be present or proxied.Why can't this government lead by example instead of following others. As I understand it, Canada has the most to loose from climate change.


Paul J Graham
said

Don't worry, no legislation from Canada will make a bloody difference on the International economic global imperative to conquer nature... when the last human dies from starvation or lack of oxygen at least he'll have the benefit of knowing that profits were up.


West Coast Guy
said

Conservatives have killed democracy and the will of the majority of the elected Parliament.


spaz
said

CANCUN MEXICO !!!!! .....a winter meeting ????.....how convienient.The security costs for that meeting will make the G8/20 meeting like like an 8 year olds birthday party.Why not have the meeting in CHURCHILL Manitoba....say the last week of January ???The security costs will be minmal....what terrorist group would be prepared for -40C windchill ???I can hardly wait fro the picture of Bin Laden with ice icles in his beard


George V.
said

It is appropriately being held in Cancaun where everyone can get climatized to future temperatures when global warming kicks in. Until these temperatures actually materialize they can have a group of world renowned scientists make up a bunch of stuff to keep the world on the edge of their seats and keep the money rolling in. I thought the scientist were moving away from the term Global Warming, because Global temperatures were reversing and becoming cooler.


allan
said

The so-called bill would be a job killer for sure if it were enacted. Instead of making unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky, NDP/LIB/Bloc coalition demands, we can use a common sense approach and at the same time save jobs. Nice picture of geese and the plant behind---more propoganda, garbage from the media


back and to the left
said

A snap vote. A better way to describe it would be the sneak party strikes again. Once a sneak always a sneak, isn't that right Steve.


RJ in Halifax
said

For everyone blaming Harper for not getting rid of the senate, please go back and learn about how our constition works. To get rid of the senate, not only woould Parliament need to pass legislation, it would also have to be approved by a majority (I think it's 8) of the Provinces and Territories representing a maority of the population. Provincial Conservative governments are in the minority, so why is Mr Layton not lambasting NDP controlled provinces for their failure to introduce legislatioin for change? Also, it's ridiculous to expect Canada to have targets that are more then double those of other industrialized countries, while not ensuring those same constraints on two of the world's biggest pollutors - China and India.


dusty - ottawa
said

Isn't this great, after all the bickering from the NDP, that there was no way we needed an elected Senate. Good going Mister Harper, now maybe, just maybe, the Liberals and NDP will finally wake up and vote to have an elected Senate. The Liberals were totally useless for years, as they dominated the upper chamber, now, all of a sudden, the Unelected Senate should not have the power to kill this useless bill. Now lets either get rid of The Senate or do as our Prime Minister is fighting for, and Elected Senate. The Liberals and NDP just took another hit to the mid section and this bill cannot be re-introduced in this session of parliament.


Ryan
said

Something needs to be done to address co2 emissions, but this legislation was not based in reality. Layton may be a charismatic leader, but his ability to do math stinks!Current co2 emissions are 35% above 1990 levels. A 25% reduction below 1990 is a 55.5% decrease from current co2 levels. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/100513/dq100513c-eng.htmThis is not possible in 9 years; 2020. It would be possible, but very difficult by 2050. Had the process started 15-20 years ago it would have been possible to achieve this target by 2020. That ship sailed years ago.Removing every car and plane from Canada is only an ~30% reduction. The legislation might as well said there will be no co2 emissions by 2020. It is as equally likely... All it does is open Canada to be penalized for missing impossible goals. Come up with a pragmatic plan that will reduce emissions. At this point I might even accept a half baked plan that could back up its goals. Legislate difficult, but achievable goals, and then follow through with policies determined from the plan.Legislating that the tooth fairy exists doesn't change reality.


Paul ~ Kitchener
said

This whole "Climate Change" issue is a "Man Made Cherade" . When China / India / Russia agree to "Climate Change" there will be 2 suns in the eastern sky. I would'nt spend 1$ of our coinage to attend this useless international meeting. There won't be a 100% agreement on any plan at this meeting or any like it in the next 50 years ~ so why keep this scam alive. The only thing it does is employ one helluva lot of individuals, all being experts in water - air & land. OH ! don't forget the Biologists, & still nothing gets done and the world goes on like it has since conception. Lets have world action on "Human Starvation & Illness" ~ forget this Climate Sham !


Damon
said

A snap vote by the Senate to squash House approved legislation? Wow, that's pretty unbelievable, talk about a sleazy tactic. I'm not surprised that Harper is fine with the Senate now that he's stacked it. It was only an issue for him when it stood in the way of his agenda.


Julie in Toronto
said

@chris and Jim Lad.. How is climate change a SCAM? Please explain. We are listening.


Rick @ Ottawa
said

Thank God we have a government that sees the climate change agenda for what it really is -- a huge money making scam!!


straightshooter
said

Thank heaven we have a Prime Minister with the intelligence and strength of his convictions to do the right thing when it's important. Climate change exists only as a natural phenomenon over which mankind has no control or influence. Harper has shown once again that he's no fool. The only hot air that we need fear are the gases coming from the mouths of all those "delegates" at the upcoming conference. Where's a truly devastating resort explosion when the world really needs one?


Damon
said

Global Warming scam? Are you guys for real? Even if you don't believe in Global Warming, how is polluting our atmosphere a good thing? You don't think pumping massive amounts of toxins and carbon dioxide is going to do damage to the ecosystem's balance? Pollution = BAD NEWS regardless of what political party you support. Also, if you really want to see what happens when you get run away global warming, go have a vacation on our friendly neighborhood planet Venus.


Bill in Calgary
said

It speaks volumes about the climate change gravy train, when delegates from nearly 200 countries choose to meet in the resort town of Cancun later this month. Belly up for the free lunch folks, and don’t forget your sunscreen. They would be more believable had they chosen Montreal or Moscow. Talk about crass, and we are supposed to believe they’re making this sacrifice in order to save the planet.


treeotch
said

kill the senate


J Nat
said

The real issue here is why has our government so boldly attempted to block this gentleman from speaking, and that as Canadians, we were willing to tolerate this publicly. This is how democracy erodes folks, and if you tolerate this, you can be taught to tolerate anything. Be careful, democracy has a way of slipping away with inaction....


Amar
said

Man made global warming = Scam


dwayne in da peg
said

Not enough grits showed up to pass the bill?? Where do these people in the senate go and what do they do during the day. They are paid to be there and get a nice little pension when they step down or die. We need this to be an elected body for it to have any credibility. What a crock.


wayne Mallet
said

similar to the other commentor, unless the same restrictions are on all nations, the advantage given to those that are excluded are to strong. Get China, India and Brazil to follow the same guidlines as those in North America and I would say only one thing - who investigates wrong doing and how are penalties imposed and collected.


Mark Smith (Montreal, PQ)
said

When are the conservatives going to live up to their promise of having an elected senate? I don't believe the senate should be abolished, but now that it's stacked in favour of the conservatives, I'm disappointed (albeit not surprised in the least) that they are keeping quiet on senate reform now.


Rob
said

What? That totally smashes my long-held belief that Conservatives care about the environment... :P


Jose West
said

200 UN climate change delegates all in Cancun at once. Holy Smoke talk about a serious potential for a build up of hot air and Swamp Gas. I'd be avoiding the entire Yucantan during that time period for sure.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

I'm happy to see our world leaders taking advantage of Cancun's off season rates. It's hard to strike a deal in Margaritaville during spring break.


Chris
said

Finally something that make sense!! Maybe the end of global warming SCAM!!!


Jim in Ottawa
said

The Liberals are a no-show again: they did nothing in government when the committed to the Kyoto Protocol in 2003, and then they didn't even have the audacity to show up to the Senate to defend their own legislation. The Liberals are an absolute disgrace, their leader is a lame duck, and the NDP should be taking advantage of the power vacuum.


Jim Lad
said

Absolutely brilliant.Thank you, Senators.It's about time this scam was completely shut down.I see this as another step on the road to sanity.


Dave
said

Oh, so now the Senate is important. Maybe Harper will receive another vote regarding a freely elected Senate along with limited terms. Mr. Layton, I don't believe it is fair to hide a "tax grab" under the term enviromental climate protection . Mr. Layton, hope all is going well with your battle against cancer and, thank you for spending your time serving Canada.


C. Bryce Code, esq., Calgary/Moscow
said

The Kyoto Protocol is a disaster for Canada and should never have been agreed to. Almost every major industrialized country realizes this and has rejected its goals. The world needs a rational agreement that properly includes Russia (who was basically bribed to join Kyoto), China, India and Brazil.


Dave
said

Turf the Senate; do we need any better example of an outdated, out-of-touch and costly relic of the past; "sober second thought", yah right.


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