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Warrant Officer Todd Weber tells an Afghan child to back away from Canadian soldiers patrolling in Khenjakak, Panjwaii district, Kandahar, Afghanistan on Oct. 27, 2010. (Jonathan Montpetit / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Canadian Soldiers are seen in this undated photo in Afghanistan. The federal government is expected to extend benefits to Canadian soldiers who were injured in combat.

950 soldiers, staff to remain in Afghanistan: sources

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Minister of Foreign Affairs Lawrence Cannon says the government has been clear on when the combat mission in Afghanistan will end. As we transition out of combat in 2011, Canada will continue to provide aid and non-combat training.
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NDP Leader Jack Layton says the prime minister promised to bring our Canadian troops home and would make foreign deployments subject to a vote in the House.

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Date: Mon. Nov. 15 2010 10:22 PM ET

The federal government plans to keep 950 soldiers in Afghanistan past the scheduled July 2011 end to combat operations, sources have confirmed to CTV News.

The figure includes 750 soldiers to train Afghan troops and police, and 200 support staff. While their exact responsibilities and where they will be stationed are not yet clear, a senior official has confirmed that "absolutely none" will work as operational mentors who go into combat with Afghan units.

Reports suggest the federal government will be announcing specifics about the training mission on Tuesday.

The news comes hours after opposition parties called on the government to release more details about the new mission, which is expected to end in 2014.

Earlier Monday, NDP leader Jack Layton called for a Parliamentary vote on the decision to keep troops in Afghanistan past 2011, and repeated that call later in question period.

His defence critic, Jack Harris, said later Prime Minister Stephen Harper is obliged to stay true to a campaign promise from 2006 that military missions would be subject to a vote.

"We're not talking about a humanitarian mission to Haiti. That's a given," Harris told CTV's Power Play Monday evening.

"We're talking here about a commitment made to the people of Canada that was made twice now: in 2006 when there was a vote, and in 2009 when there was a vote. So if the prime minister intends, with apparently the support of the Liberals, to put 1,000 troops in Kandahar for three years, then that requires a vote in Parliament in our view."

Tory MP Laurie Hawn, parliamentary secretary to the defence minister, said the prime minister is "well within his authority" to extend Canada's time in Afghanistan because "it is a strictly non-combat mission."

"This is a method for us to stay (and) provide something that's critically needed," Hawn told Power Play.

The government has provided few details about its plan to extend Canada's mission in Afghanistan beyond the scheduled July 2011 pullout date.

Harper confirmed last week that Canada would keep military trainers in Afghanistan for three more years, but did not specify how many soldiers and support staff would be involved.

He has said because the mission extension is focused on training rather than combat, Parliament doesn't need to approve it.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has said his party supports a military training mission for Canada post-2011 but wants Harper to provide further details.

Liberal MPs echoed their leader's call Monday, saying the government should provide Canadians with numbers, including how many people will remain in Afghanistan, where they will be located and how much the mission is expected to cost.

"In June we made our position clear," MP Ujjal Dosanjh told Power Play.

"In principle we support a non-combat training mission. We don't know how many people they are going to leave there, for how long, what the cost is going to be, whether they are going to be behind the wire or outside the wire. We need to know all of that. Vote or no vote isn't important."

During question period in the House of Commons, Ignatieff did not echo Layton's call for a Parliamentary vote on the issue.

However, he did ask why the government has yet to offer details on the nature of the post-2011 mission when the prime minister is days away from a NATO summit in Portugal at which he will likely provide that information.

"How can the government explain this silence, how can it explain its improvisation, how can it explain its secrecy, how can it explain its lack of transparency with the Canadian people?" Ignatieff asked.

"We've been repeatedly clear on this particular issue," Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon shot back. "In accordance with the parliamentary motion that was adopted here in the month of March 2008, Canada's combat mission will end in 2011. And as we transition out of the combat mission we will continue to provide aid (and) focus on development in Afghanistan. And as I mentioned before in French, a non-combat training role will ensure that the progress made by Canadian forces to date continues."

Cannon also said later that after the government reviews the mission's requirements, further details, including costs, will be presented to MPs.

Earlier Monday, Layton charged that it appears Harper has reached a secret deal with the Liberals to extend the Afghanistan mission without Parliament's approval.

He said it's well known that there are deep divisions within the Liberal party and that a vote in Parliament on extending the mission would expose divisions within the party.

Layton and Harris said the NDP is united in its resolve to bring all combat troops home as scheduled, and focus only on development and diplomatic efforts to help Afghanistan.

"I think the way to honour the sacrifice that Canadians have made is to do something that we can all get behind, and I think we can all get behind doing things for the Afghan people that need to be done," Harris told Power Play. "One out of four children don't make it to the age of five, we've got gross illiteracy, we've got a total failure of even basic skills."

Hawn said Canadians have been helping to build Afghan institutions such as the police and army, as well as on literacy and health care issues, and the new mission will simply shift to focus on those efforts.

"Is it risk free? Nothing is risk free," Hawn said. "But the other side of that is we're leaving Afghanistan a more stable place by building their institutions, like the army, police, judicial system, government, health care, education. We're engaged in all those areas."

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George
said

Wow the remaining few people that still support the conservatives sure are an angry lot. We need to hear the details & vote.


On the fence conservative
said

So the NDP is trying to take better care of our troops and combat vets.... Good job Jack.


M.M.B. Ont
said

What's the rush Mr Iggy to know ALL the details of the training mission beyond 2011? My goodness, the decision was just made so I am sure that there is still plenty of time between now and July 2011 to iron out the details including costs. How can anyone put a price to anything when it has not even been decided how many military will be staying in Afghanistan. It boggles my mind to think that the Opposition wants answers yesterday as if I am sure they could provide them any quicker if they were in power ! I have read that between 600 and 1000 troops will remain, therefore the cost can vary greatly depending on those numbers. Sometimes I think Iggy and Layton just like to hear themselves speak because they have nothing concrete to say. And Layton has his knickers in knots over nothing. Just another lip flapping session on his part!


MARG MM
said

Wendy....So why then didn't Chretien or Martin hold a vote??? I guess if you are a Liberal, then it doesn't count, and you can do what you like!!!! Also, less than 30% voted Liberal, and much less than 30% voted NDP or Green, so what is your point????


Bill in Calgary
said

I have a mental image of the Liberals and NDP going through their a’gin it mantra prior to each day’s sitting. “I’m a’gin it – you’s a’gin it – we’s a’gin it”. They seem incapable of contributing anything positive to Parliament.


Old Guy
said

Would a rose not be a rose by any other name?As a veteran of 30 years and numerous missions, I will state that a 700 person group plus 200 support staff is a battalion (battle) group. It is a fighting entity, it will be armed and as is previous missions there is "No" such thing as behind the wire. Never has been never will be. This is just a political play on words to help Harper stay friends with his buddies and make the Canadian Citizens swallow nicely.. Please Also remember by politically redefining the role an mission, benefits now given to soldiers will be modified and or withdrawn. The military will always performed the duty of their political masters. And rightly so, but do not be fooled by the rhetoric, harm's way is harm's way.


Edward
said

This may be a training mission, but how long will it take before Canadian soldiers will be going with Afghan trainees on combat patrols?

CMQ in NB
said

Iggy, how can you explain how stupid you think Canadian's really are? Explain that one please!!!!! And as for Jack, what secret deal with the Liberals? If these two clowns spent more time coming up with something legit we might have an opposition, or better yet an alternative to vote for come election day!!!!


Retired Captain in Dartmouth
said

Mr. Layton and Mr. Douceppe can't have their way....!!? Get over it..!!..there is no need to to go back to parliament on this..... we shifted over to a training mission........, the very least we can do under the circumstances ..!! That seems a lot more than what many of our NATO Allies are prepared to do..! I agree with our Prime MInister's decision and support it,..... which incidently Mr. Rae as well appears to support the same decision...Now if we can get more reasoned decision making such as this by our leaders....Minority Government will actually work!! Well Done Prime Minister and Mr. Rae..!!


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Wendy: Yes, democracy. Parliamentary democracy...in which the ruling Conservatives and the Liberals in Opposition -- the overwhelming majority in the House of Commons -- stand in favor of the government's intention to transition from a "combat" mission to a "training" mission in Afghanistan. Your partisan and numerical confusion with regard to the game, and how it is played, is amusing, as is your professed lack of "hate" for PM Harper (you've always done a splendid job of fooling us). Thanks, Wendy.


Elias Nasrallah
said

Layton will speak and say things all the time. He will never be held to account because the NDP will never form government. Iggy and the Liberals all agree that our troops should be there for training also. I believe that Harper is doing the right thing.


Anita
said

Wendy: don't you mean it's only a democracy when it's the liberals who are doing the "dictating"?


Wendy
said

@Marg It's not that we hate Harper, we live in a democratic society & we don't like being dictated to. If Harper had it his way he would ban elections & rule as a dictator, you have to remember that less than 30% of Canadians support Harper. We vote for the MP's that support the other 70 % of Canadians. A vote is only being democratic.


tim in victoria
said

I don't believe it was a wise decision to send Canadian troops to Afghanistan. Never did. The Taliban seem, by all accounts, to be stronger today than ever - and likely due to Western troops 'invading' their country. If the situation were reversed, and Taliban troops were here in Canada...how long and hard would you fight to rid them from our soil?It's time to go.


PVT
said

2011 was always to be the end of our 'combat' role in Afganistan. Nobody ever said it was going to be the end of 'all' operations in 2011. Combat operations are not being 'extended' as the media and left wing wackos like to portray. The intent was and is to remain there in a training / peace keeping role and then gradually reduce that over time to a complete pull out.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

"Mr. Speaker, I've got something really important to say on this issue. Sorry. What? I have to ask a question? Oh; okay. Ahem. Well, my question is to the Prime Minister. Why won't you let me get ahead in the polls? It's not fair. Sorry. Not appropriate. I agree. Ah, well, uhm...can the Opposition get some details on the Afghanistan training thing? Yes? No? Alright; I'll sit down now. Thank-you." -- Michael Ignatieff


Kevin Driver
said

The last vote in Parliment was a first on this subject, everytime the military has been deployed that I remember in the last 25 years, and that is how long I have been in we have just been sent. PM's Chretien who sent the army to Khandahar in 02, Kabul in 04, Kosovo in 99, East Timor in 99 now of course Martin who sent us to Khandahar in 06 never held a vote. As it is if it were up to the NDP we would turn in our weapons and hand out flowers. Then our command structure would be from New York the UN that is a horid thought!!!


schpid
said

And who will protect those Canadians we send there who will be working on development and diplomacy? This would be a great time to stand up the NDP Department of Peace. We could send them over there and they can show us how wrong we all were and how easy a lasting peace can be brought about by just talking and handing out flowers.


Old Soldier.
said

Soldier's Girl: You are correct to point this out, but, this fact has never been hidden from anyone except the willfully blind who choose to ignore it. Speaking as a 30 year veteran of the CF, there is no such thing as a "safe" mission, there is always an element of risk as demonstrated by the casualties we took in all those years of blue helmet "peacekeeping" tours.


Fire miniDion AKA Mr Blackburn
said

Let's pay the medical pensions to the veterans that we owe, before we create new ones.


Soldier's Girl
said

Unfortunately, as someone with a loved one in the Canadian military who is currently serving in Afghanistan, when they say non-combat roles for our soldiers, they are stating the impossible. It isn't feasible to train the ANA (Afghan National Army) without being outside the wire, so I wish the government would at least be honest with Canadians and with themselves about what exactly the plan is.


kyle plumadore
said

I believe that a vote is not needed purely for one reason. WE are training them to take over. yes the CF will remain in a dangerous area and yes people will get hurt and probably killed, but according to my uncle (Proud naval officer of 28 years) the Cf wants to be there to finish the job. I am proud of the work canadians are doing and all canadians should feel the same way. On the other side of the coin this topic should be debated in parliment to decide how long we should train them and train them to what extent.Thanks


Judith Sears
said

Unfortunately there is no "finish" to this.Look around you. Sorry


Will
said

The decision to go to war is rightly one that demands parliamentary support. However, this deployment - in a training role- does not. This is nothing but Taliban Jack flapping his gums and trying to gain support - and failing as usual.


LDL in ONT
said

Rick in NB, Ste Marie, Thank you. I wish all posters that disagree with the government, preface their comments with the ol' 1/3 theory. It allows me to dismiss what follows as anything that contains logic and I can then move on to the next comment.


danR
said

Layton wants a debate, a vote?!
  
  Think this is a democracy or something?


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ MHB: What planet are you perched on right now? Liberal PM Chretien steered Canada into Afghanistan many years ago. We've been "at war" there for some time. Canada has now committed itself to ending the COMBAT mission, in order for a TRAINING mission to officially take over. The Liberal party is presently standing in support of this important change. "Approval" by way of a vote isn't required, and constitutes a silly hoop to jump through given the combined and overwhelming support of the Conservatives and Liberals. Is it "democratic" of the NDP (a little vocal minority in Parliament) to set the agenda in the House of Commons? Nope. Your "issue" is incoherent.


Tim
said

With only 15% in the latest polls for the NDP, Layton can demand anything knowing no one will pay attention to him.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

It has been suggested many times that we should send Jack Layton off to Afghanistan and Pakistan so that he might have tea with the Taliban. He will then singlehandedly convince them to become peace-loving people, fully appreciative of and receptive to his version democratic socialism, tolerant of all faiths and beliefs and thus pose no further threat to western societies and mission accomplished! I believe Parliament should vote and approve the funds necessary to do just that and we can bring all our forces home.Mr. Layton reminds me of a little dog that can not stop barking because it enjoys hearing itself bark and believes that by doing so, it is saying something important..


MARG MM
said

Rick in NB...Perhaps PM Harper is listening to Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae, both have said that Canada needs to continue on in Afghanistan in a training role. You Harper haters always say that PM Harper doesn't listen to anyone, then when he does, you still slam him. Seems like he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. From what I've read, many in the military want to stay and finish what was started. Canadian soldiers have made a huge difference in the lives of the Afghan people, and we should applaud them for their efforts. Jack Layton and the NDP are the "whatever it is we're against it" party, so no surprise here.


the solution
said

Lets have Mr Layton's debate. Lets make it a Confidence Vote.Lets have an election and for those who think we should not be there let the Canadian people decide.Lets see how many do not want to finnish a job that we all agreed to and watched women being stoned and beaten to death. Lets not listen to our boots on the ground who say stay and finnish the job for their comrades who died.Lets put blue berets on our troops call them peacekeepers and send them off to some other dangerous place to be killed attempting to bring democracy this will satisfy the NDP and Taliban Jack ,or lets back our government and our troops and hold our heads high as Canadians have all done.


RJ in Halifax
said

First, the NDP represent about 15% of the popular vote. Where does Mr. Layton get off thinking he's in a position to "demand" anything. Second, for those who feel that Mr. Harper does not have a trule majority of the vote, then he has no authority to make decisions, check out our version of DEMOCRACY. We are set up to often elect a government that does not garner at least 50% of the vote, In fact, it's been quite some time since any party got the magical 50% plus 1, yet we have had majority governments. As a previous commenter mentioned, the opposition parties already have the non-confidence process to use. If the NDP is so adamant about this, then forget the vote, simply launch a non-confidence motion - oh yea, Jack knows he only represents 15% of the vote and his motion would fail.


Raif
said

What would Layton and Iggy have us do, do they want Canada to withdraw from its Alliances or is a Liberal NDP protocal to just exit any agreement or situation when you see some political mileages on it. We can all take the easy way out and when our friends exit their commitments who are we to stand with against terrorism, anarchy, and despotic rancor. First things first boys withdraw from our allinces and strike ot on our own see how far being the lone wolf gets you. Either your in or your out there is no fence position here Mr Layton and Mr. Ignatief! You two can't manage internal affaires what the heck are you doing trying to direct international affaires, you are no match for it at all.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Some times a little ambiguity is a good thing. Especially in a war. Obviously people keep forgetting Canada is at war. Look no further than the stupidity of setting a specific forces draw down date as Obama did in Afghanistan if you need a good example.....


MikeInBC
said

Allan Eizinas said: The fiasco in Afghanistan is costing Canada about $1 billion a year.Consider this Allan...what would it cost us in lives if we all just pulled out and left the Taliban to take over, then have Al Qeda train all their recruits there and then send them over here to bomb us. If you remember your history Chamberlain took a similar stand with Hitler and we saw what that led to (at least I did).


Alexandria
said

Jack Dear it will be a training mission not a combat mission. There is a difference you know.Hit the tack Jack and don't you come back no more no more.I was a NDP'ER for years until he came on the scene.The closing of the counselling programme for service People in Ontario is the Ontario Governments fault. They run OHIP not the Feds.


Stu from London
said

@Proff...if this mission did go to a vote, you know it wouldn't be a private member's bill. Both the Conservatives and Liberals would whip their vote and the outcome would be clear. I'm sure a number of Liberals don't support the training mission, just like I'm sure a few Conservatives would like to see the combat mission extended. Not every MP votes with their conscience, most of them vote with their party, and I'm sure even amongst Conservatives there are disagreements about this course of action. I don't mind the idea, as long as it brings the costs down.


Perry
said

Ask the Military personnel. They volunteered to go to Afganistan in the first place.


John Lethbridge
said

I don't see how this was a 'secret deal' with the Liberals. It doesn't have to go to vote. so no secret deal has to be made. Given that this involves Canadian troops abroad, this should rise above popular politics and I am happy to see some cooperation between the governing and opposition parties on this file. Of course Ignatieff wants more details, what else is he going to say to the media? The only one trying to gain popularity on this file is Layton. [X] Harper


Paul
said

The military has alway said there would be a smaller group of troops left to train. The combat mission is over. There is nothing new here. Making a mountain out of a mole hile. We are still in Bosnia?


danR
said

Nice there is at least one politician--unlike Rae, Ignatieff and Harper--who is not a US State Department sock-puppet.Keep a 'training force' in Karzai's corrupt fiefdom? Training Taliban MOLES in methods, operations, and personnel. Very useful information 4 years down the road.And don't you know that Karzai and Petraeus are squabbling again? How many years is THIS sort of Punch and Judy show going to go on?We should be funding schools and students and colleges here in Canada, not training camps for Taliban infiltrators.


danR
said

Nice there is at least one politician--unlike Rae, Ignatieff and Harper--who is not a US State Department sock-puppet.Keep a 'training force' in Karzai's corrupt fiefdom? Training Taliban MOLES in methods, operations, and personnel. Very useful information 4 years down the road.And don't you know that Karzai and Petraeus are squabbling again? How many years is THIS sort of Punch and Judy show going to go on?We should be funding schools and students and colleges here in Canada, not training camps for Taliban infiltrators.


Peter in MB
said

I thought that Jack supported non-combat roles for our troops in the past. In fact since 2006 he has been vary vocal in the house on having our troops move anyway from the front lines and doing more training and support work. Now he will not support his own motions? I guess Jack just wants to oppose for the sake of opposing and have another vote angst the conservatives notch in his belt. Iggy and Bob Rae seem to have made a smart dissension for once in their lives and have backed off on this issue. This will put them in a good place if something goes wrong because then the liberals can say “I told you so” to all the "right-wing ranters" like myself. If the NDP want to get more votes they better tell their leader and MP’s to stop making fools of them self’s


MHB
said

Sometimes, I feel that Conservatives are anti-democratic by nature. I am shocked at how most of them are willing to send Canadians in harm's way without getting the approval of the Parliament. This is WAR people! Some of these Canadians that you gladly send to war will never come back home to see their loved ones! Yes, a vote is needed and let every MP vote on whether or not he wants to support this unpopular war.


Fred
said

I expected Mr. Harper to ask the people of Canada before taking their hard earned money (TAX DOLLARS) and using IT.I think people ranting here that no vote is needed would be happy if a stranger come into their lawn and take their expensive equipments without their concern and never bother to recognize it. Would you folks not let them do as they wants in your lawn because he is a fellow Canadian? If so, then why have hotlines for crime stoppers or 911 or even law and order?A trust / mistrust should be maintained at all level. We the people of Canada gave Mr. Harper an important job and he is supposed to ask the people of Canada before making a commitment to the international community. Not to make back door deals because our neighbouring country needs it. I support our troops but the question here is not about supporting our troops but do we need to keep on extending without even knowing they will be ready to take over by then or not? So, if the insurgent groups attack our training group, will our military not fight back? Isn't that part of combat? If you dont want to involved in combat role then take all our troops out. The bottom line is "We do not want our soldiers die". We are peace loving country and we want to be like that.Put your foot down hard... So the international community knows Canada cannot be taken for granted and if we say a word then we keep it up to that point. No further debate.


Judith Sears
said

Way to Go Jack! After being humiliated on the World stage at the UN by not being allowed a position on the Security Council and all that our troops have done for NATO, Mr. Harper again subjects Canadians to more danger. Canadians will not be seen as "peacekeepers" or "non-combatants". It shows ignorance to think the Taliban can switch things around like that. Remember the US was in a "military advisory" rolde in Vietnam. Bring services home to Canada in health care and education.


Intelligent Liberal
said

Iggy has decided what is good for Canada, and convinced Harper to tow the line. Layton is just upset since he isn't allowed to play with the big boys.


Gabriel
said

To all those that are against Layton's democratic request of a vote in Parliament to decide our "humanitarian venture" in Afghanistan, should, first, be thinking in recall the trops to do a "real humanitarian work" in our own country. Since the military do not produce goods of comsumsion, it would be right to put them top build affordable houses for themselves and the homeless. That's what I call patriotism, not the ignoramous just, follow me- reaction of the hockey-puck brained militarist, Busch-lovers fascist that now noithing about foreing affairs. Specially those who follow Mr. MacKay -0the Lawyer who signed with his blood an agreement to Mr Orchard about never joint the Reform Party. If that guy is your leader, and the Chief of our Army, then: I Rest My Case.


ck
said

I'm about to split a hair here, but if one actually tops and pays any attention, rather than allowing passions to take over, the original agreement never says anywhere that the troops would be pulled out of Afghanistan. It simply said that they would be out of Kandahar. If, as Harper says, they're leaving Kandahar, no promise has been broken.NO, I am far from being a shill for Harper and the Conservatives, just pointing out a fact.I agree with many of the posters here, Layton is simply making noise, at the top of the article, it says that he simply wants to further expose divisions within the Liberal party. Real mature and pragmatic.Another thing I've noticed; many journos and bloggers have also said the Bloc Quebecois is with the NDP on this. Yet, since this debacle, last Friday, I haven't heard any quotes from Gilles Duceppe or from anyone on his or his party's behalf on the subject. Just Layton and the NDP...curious


ck
said

I'm about to split a hair here, but if one actually tops and pays any attention, rather than allowing passions to take over, the original agreement never says anywhere that the troops would be pulled out of Afghanistan. It simply said that they would be out of Kandahar. If, as Harper says, they're leaving Kandahar, no promise has been broken.NO, I am far from being a shill for Harper and the Conservatives, just pointing out a fact.I agree with many of the posters here, Layton is simply making noise, at the top of the article, it says that he simply wants to further expose divisions within the Liberal party. Real mature and pragmatic.Another thing I've noticed; many journos and bloggers have also said the Bloc Quebecois is with the NDP on this. Yet, since this debacle, last Friday, I haven't heard any quotes from Gilles Duceppe or from anyone on his or his party's behalf on the subject. Just Layton and the NDP...curious


ck
said

I'm about to split a hair here, but if one actually tops and pays any attention, rather than allowing passions to take over, the original agreement never says anywhere that the troops would be pulled out of Afghanistan. It simply said that they would be out of Kandahar. If, as Harper says, they're leaving Kandahar, no promise has been broken.NO, I am far from being a shill for Harper and the Conservatives, just pointing out a fact.I agree with many of the posters here, Layton is simply making noise, at the top of the article, it says that he simply wants to further expose divisions within the Liberal party. Real mature and pragmatic.Another thing I've noticed; many journos and bloggers have also said the Bloc Quebecois is with the NDP on this. Yet, since this debacle, last Friday, I haven't heard any quotes from Gilles Duceppe or from anyone on his or his party's behalf on the subject. Just Layton and the NDP...curious


Tom
said

I would say Jack is playing to his support group. I find Mr.Layton's comment to have a vote to "see" what divisions are within the Liberal party has nothing to do with the story line. I find it very disgusting that Jack is looking for votes from this while families remember their lost family members.Mr.Layton is taking a political stand not a moral stand. I do not agree with Canada in combat but I understand why we are there.I also feel we can not dig a hole and leave with out atleast putting in a bridge.


Aaron in Toronto
said

"He says it's well known that there are deep divisions within the Liberal party and that a vote in Parliament on extending the mission would expose divisions within the party. There you go, the intention is not about our involvement but instead expose the Liberal party internal bickering. Besides, what does a vote do? All MPs are suppose to vote within party line. Its a waste of time for Layton.


Allan Eizinas
said

The fiasco in Afghanistan is costing Canada about $1 billion a year. If we are so keen on continuing training Afghan fighters, why not pull out all our troops and train the Afghans here – in Canada? We already have training facilities in many different parts of Canada. We fly in about 1,000 Afghans every 4 months, train them and then send them home. That has to be a lot cheaper and certainly a lot safer than what we are now doing. The only problem that I can anticipate is that after being in Canada for a few months we will have difficulty to get them to go home to Afghanistan.


Tod
said

The only sensible thing to do is have a democratic vote, we elect MP's to represent us, without a vote Harper is dictating to Canadians.


Bob
said

If the Liberals are split on this then why would Harper make a "secret deal" with the Liberals, would it not be to Harper's bennifit to expose the split?Just because Layton says so does not make it real. Watch where you step, you may step into something you have to clean off you boots.


Dan
said

You must have been sleeping if you thought that Canada was coming home in 2011. They always talked about there being a "non-combat" role after 2011. It was a political slat to make you think they were coming home. Maybe next time you should not believe them when thety say home in 2011.Quote from harper:"Let me be clear, the current mission ends in 2011""Current" AKA, they will still be there, we will just change it up a little.[X] Bring home our troops!


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Hey, if a vote exposes dissension in the Liberal party, and forces hypocritical Ignatieff to "whip" his parliamentary gang into line (like a Dictator!), then, well, I'm behind it. Thanks, Jack. Not a bad idea.


GHW
said

Maybe Jack would allow his MPs a free vote and then proceed to pressure them into voting against it for his own personal benefit. Remember the Alamo, or as we call it here in Canada, Remember the Gun Registry Vote! Parliamentary voting is sham and a waste of time.


Sherry
said

Howard in Brampton - you talk about the story line below and taking making it sound as if the government is taking away the services from the soldiers at the hospital - read the article - the hospital who gave the services free said they can no longer do it. There are other venues but the soldiers prefer to not take them - otherwise, there are services offered that they can take. You sound as if you vote for Layton - too bad.


Sherry
said

This is only Jack doing his worst - AGAIN - time to tell him to shut up. This is to continue training - as it should do instead of making the world think that Cdns are putting their tails between their legs and running - they remain to properly train the military and police in Afghanistan. Cdns can't be as gullible to think that you just pull out and everything works fine - and our soldiers would have died for squat. But then again Canadians are at their best when complaining about every thing in the world they can - Layton is not representative of Cdns - that's why he's not even opposition. Jack - go home, retire, talk to the animals......


Chris in Kingston
said

A vote on this will open a constitutional precedent to allow a vote on everything the government does, stripping it of any power it has as the executive branch. If the Liberals and NDP and Bloc don't like the decision to extend, they have a way out. Its called a Non-Confidence motion. Then we'll have an election, and whoever wins can be the person in charge and either repeal the mission extension or let it stand. This is how our democratic system works.


jamie
said

a vote would be nice.... we are a democracy, right?


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
said

We cannot have votes on every issue that surfaces.This has been the overiding problem for the last several years. Every time the government tries to get something done the opposition parties in concert or one at a time do everything they can to obfuscate, delay and otherwise ensure nothing gets done. The government is there to govern and this is plainly a decision that they have a right to make and they should get on with business. Irrespective of whether silly polls show Canadians want a vote I firmly believe we have a duty to stay the course and do our best to help the Afgan people. This is the responsible thing to do and our military can help the effort because they have demonstrated skills in this particular function. Jack Layton professes to care about our military men and women while he and his wife (she of the it's within the law quote),suck up untold thousands of taxpayers money and pretend they hold the moral high ground. The Laytons are a perfect example of what is wrong with Canada's politics and how the political class provide minimal service yet live the life of Riley on our dime. If there is one thing I am proud of it is our military and they legitimately want to help so let them do so.


Trevor in the Hat
said

Layton couldn't care less about the mission extension. All he wants to do is force the liberals into a voto to "expose divisions within the party" to try and steal some votes from the liberals next election.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

Unfortunatlly, Harper only speaks for 1/3 of the people. A vote would reflect if Canada wants to continue after 2011. If Harper isn't listening to the people, he must be listening to somebody else.


Lz in Edmonton
said

Jack, we ARE pulling out our combat troops and leaving a training group there. If we need a vote on how to prepare your supper too, you have been smoking something from BC.


Howward in Brampton
said

Irony - something that we're not at all short of here in Canada. The storyline immediately below this one, entitled "Troops lose counseling service at Ont. hospital", in which people have lamented about the lack of care available to our "Heroes". This to me isn't ironic, it's a Government that encourages us to revere our military personnel for the sacrifices they make for our country, then simply because of money issues, refuses to look after their needs as a result of that sacrifice. And then has the audacity to extend their mission without a vote. If this keeps up, then I doubt that the Canadian Military will be able to attract any new recruits. At least any that could read.


Don Wallace - Calgary
said

So this isn't about doing whats right. This is about scoring political points in Canada. Way to go Layton.


Al
said

Let him have his vote. The BLOC and the NDP can't defeat the Liberals and Conservatives in a house vote so we already know where its going. Mr. Layton just wants to vote against it. I guess it gives him a feeling of power. On the other hand Canadian soldiers may not be playing a direct combat role but they will still be in a war zone.


BigD
said

I wish Jack Layton would get recalled!


Vanc Guy
said

By all means! In for a penny in for a pound. This shouldnt hang on PM Harper - either all parties support this and support our troops or forget it. The parties that chose not to support can take their lumps or rewards at the next election.


Chris Kipot
said

The decision has been made, this is to be a training mission pure and simple. The NDP is doing nothing more than making noise and looking the fool, there is a saying that goes, LET THE DOG BARK THIS CARAVAN IS MOVING ALONG. Why is it that as far as I can recall the NDP has never made it to power but they are the loudest cry babies? It has been shown that there is no need for a vote as this is not a combat mission so why keep asking for one


MikeInBC
said

Unfortunately this is not a question about "is this the right thing to do?" It's really about Jack stirring the pot.I consider Mexico to be a war zone in some places...should we have an act of parliament to give us permission to visit Mexico...Ditto with the aid agencies that go to Afghanistan.


J from SK
said

Before all the "right-wing ranters" and "left-wing loonies" jump in here: This is a decision that should be weighed carefully and voted upon. Harper himself called an end to all operations in 2011. If he wants to stay there, he should at least have the confidence of the Canadian people and their representatives (for whatever that's worth...)


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