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Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews speaks to media prior to the Conservative caucus meeting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Public Safety Minister Vic Toews speaks in Ottawa on Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2010.

Critics say increasing prison capacity won't cut crime

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Canada AM: Richard Madan in Ottawa
A CTV correspondent explains the government says statistics show crime is on the rise and that is why they want to invest $155 million into expanding the penitentiary systems in Ontario and Quebec, but critics question if this is the right time.
Power Play: MP panel on the proposed expansion
The Tories say they are making the investments because they believe the primary responsibility of the government is the protection of all Canadians. Both the Liberals and the NDP agree the policy is unnecessary and will cost Canadian taxpayers large amounts of money.
Power Play: Kim Pate and Justin Piche
A student with Carleton University says there are many problems with what's being proposed and says what victims need are assurances of their safety after they have been victimized. The executive director of the Elizabeth Fry Society says the Tories have displayed a lack of transparency with what the proposed measures will cost and are going ahead based on ideological means.
CTV News Channel: Vic Toews on safety
The Public Safety Minister says there is awareness in particular areas of Canada where violent gang related crimes continue, and statistics show crime rate is not going down. He says the government plans to outlines new initiatives on community safety.

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Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews speaks to media prior to the Conservative caucus meeting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Public Safety Minister Vic Toews speaks in Ottawa on Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2010.

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Date: Wed. Oct. 6 2010 9:25 PM ET

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews announced Wednesday the Conservative government will spend more than $155 million to increase capacity at prisons in Ontario and Quebec, but critics say it's an ineffective strategy to curb crime.

Toews made the announcement in Kingston, Ont., at the Collins Bay Institution, one of the prisons getting an upgrade.

In Ontario, the government will spend $95.5 million to build two new 96-bed living units at Bath Institution, and one new 96-bed living unit each at Collins Bay Institution and Millhaven Institution.

Construction on those projects is expected to be completed in 2013-14.

In Quebec, the government will add nearly 200 beds at the Montee St-Francois and Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines facilities.

"Our government is proud to be on the right side of this issue -- the side of law-abiding citizens, the side of victims who want justice, and the side that understands the cost of a safe and secure society is an investment worth making," Toews said in a statement.

Toews's statement suggested that over the coming years, the Correctional Service of Canada will add more than 2,700 beds to men's and women's prisons across the country.

The Tories have pledged tougher sentences for violent crimes, which would keep inmates convicted of such offences in prison longer.

But critics quickly jumped on the announcement to expand the prisons, pointing to falling crime rates and charging that increasing prison space has proven to be ineffective at combating crime.

Liberal public safety critic Mark Holland accused the Tories of adopting a failed strategy in California, where tough anti-crime laws boosted the prison population but drove up recidivism rates to 70 per cent and nearly emptied state coffers.

"This government has already racked up the biggest deficit in Canadian history and now they're chasing after a Californian model, a failed Republican model that didn't work there," Holland told CTV's Power Play on Wednesday evening.

Justin Piche, a PhD candidate at Carleton University who studies federal prisons and government response to crime, said no academic evidence shows that increased reliance on incarceration enhances public safety.

Instead, she said the Correctional Service of Canada should increase the current 2 per cent of its budget it spends on programs that will allow prisoners to safely integrate into society.

"If this is about public safety, why are we not diverting money into programs as opposed to diverting money -- $330 million this year alone of the $2.6 billion budget -- into prison construction?" Piche said on Power Play.

Don Davies, public safety critic for the NDP, said given that 80 per cent of prisoners have a substance-abuse or mental-health problem, more money should be directed toward programs that address those issues.

Davies also criticized the government's recent decision to shut down the prison farm program, which taught prisoner's work and social skills.

"I think what Canadians want is when those offenders come out of those institutions, they want them not to re-offend," Davies said.

"And what this government has to do is start putting resources into programs that will help those offenders not re-offend. You can't just lock them up for longer and harder, that won't work. If you could punish your way to a safe society, the United States would be the safest place on Earth."

Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro said the prison farm program was scrapped at the suggestion of the CSC and will be replaced with more vocational and literacy programs.

No boost in prison population, Toews says

While critics have suggested the government's prior tough-on-crime measures will significantly increase the number of Canadians serving time, Toews said Wednesday morning that is not the case so far.

In particular, the Tories' move to eliminate two-for-one, pre-sentence jail credit would seem to create a greater need for prison space.

Up until the introduction of the Truth in Sentencing Act this past February, accused persons often received double-credit -- and in some rare cases, triple-credit -- for the time they served in custody before they were convicted and sentenced. Toews said these conditions encouraged accused persons to delay their trials and sentencing as long as possible, to gather the most credit they could.

But the cancellation of that policy has since helped alleviate pressure on provincial remand centres by encouraging prisoners to move their cases forward in a more timely manner, Toews said.

"That incentive to remain in provincial remand is now gone and many of these prisoners are now, in fact, deciding to move on with their lives, either getting a speedy trial, or indeed pleading guilty and then moving into the federal system," he said.

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Tom in Calgary
said

How can so many be so naive as to deride the expansion as "wrong" while apparently proposing that leaving criminals running rampant in the streets is effective? Probation? More 22 -24 year old, graduate social workers as "officers" to meet with the poor misguided souls? This is "reducing" crime? Education???? At what cost and what risk to society? There are lies, damn lies and statistics and StatsCan is absolutely capable of bending the way the data's collected to keep their public purse jobs. How much will it cost to babysit them in public?


John Winterton
said

Our cotton wool prisons do not deter crime. They are educational institutions of higher learning for criminals. We have spent so much time and money on being "correct" in our prisons, we have forgotten their purpose is to punish crime and deter recidivism.Throwing good money after bad is not a solution. We must seek an alternative which is repugnant to the criminal element.


Edward
said

I have to laugh at people on here says statics show unreported crime has gone up. Unreported crime is make believe, you can't have statistics for because no one reported it. Google Canada's crime rate for yourself it has been on a general decline for 20 years. The neocons what unreported statistics so they can pull this kind of crap when ever the feel like it. But stats Canada shows our crime rate has been going down for 20 years. Get your heads out of the sand, google the facts for yourselves.


Sober, Newmarket
said

Soft on crime seems to be the answer then. The new common sense:do your crime, you'll serve no time.


rick
said

it might be that the conservatives are planning for the future. with some current investigations by the mounties, these "prisons" if built, might just be retirement homes for our ruling politicians


nathan
said

that a good idea, but who will send the money for the new centres. voters should decide on the plan. the weather is nice, have a good day.


Markus, Quebec
said

in the years of 2000s things have changed, the 2000s are not like the 1980s. More humans in a country more detention centres are needed. the prison system could be privatized. this would cost less for the gov


mark
said

Really? Some 'PhD candidate' thinks expanding prisons is a bad idea because it fails to curb crime? Thomas Sowell puts it best when he said 'By this kind of reasoning, food is ineffective as a response to hunger because it is only a matter of time after eating before you get hungry again.' And california isn't broke because of expanding it's prisons, it's broke because it's a socialist welfare state that for years has driven out businesses by levying high taxes and continued bloated social programs that it cannot afford.


5 Star Jail
said

So, we plan to spend $155 Million to get 580 New prison beds. This works out to be $270,000 for EACH new Bed. This is being too SOFT and generous to these criminals, don't you think? One can buy a family home with $270,000. And let us also not forget, these New prison units will also get Tax payers money for maintenance which honest hard working families do not get. Who lobbied the government to get this 155 Million Dollar contract?


Eric
said

Is it supposed to curb crime or is it supposed to alleviate the overcrowding in prisons I hear about all the time? I mean, I'm a little confused. Yeah, it won't curb crime... but I didn't see in the article Toews saying it was supposed to.


Jim McB
said

Some people just don't understand the system. Prisons need to be expanded so that they can house all the support people that will rehabilitate all the poor misunderstood prisoners in an exercise of their rights under the Charter. On the other hand we could be like Nova Scotia and send them home on the weekends when they are supposed to be serving time. One local busted for having a stash of marijuana was openly bragging about playing video games with his buds while smoking up in the local paper.I agree that prisons are not the answer: hard labour is, but then unions are opposed to that!You can't make a left winger happy, they want everything for nothing!


Redneck Vic
said

We really do not need any new prisons all we have to do is do what is right? L;et Canadians have a referendum on the death sentence! If we say yes to the death penalty than that should lower the population by what 25%, there is the extra beds you need right there!! Also they say it cost $80.thousand a year to look after a prisoner really, well let us take away there smokes, candy & other extras they are in there for a reason not a holiday!


Dr. James Bradford
said

You increase prison space to send a clear signal that criminals are going to be held accountable not let out for being a Liberal supporter. What is it about socialists that they just don't get it?? The message is simple.... do the crime then do the time. Eventually those who were brought up on the Liberals Club Fed will come to understand our government will not tolerate crime. Connect the dots.


Bob
said

Having a hard time understanding how neocon is an insult? Neo - newCon - conservativeSo you're calling someone a new conservative? Makes sense to me!


Will
said

and how would the lefties suggest we deal with crime? Perhaps they would advocate spending the money to but care bears for all those poor unloved criminals?


Chris
said

You want to make room in prisons.... BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (sentence carried out 1 yr after conviction. Plenty of time to ensure the facts and evidence is correct in order to ensure the right guy is punished)!!!


Mapleson
said

I thought the Conservatives were supposed to be fiscally responsible. $156m on expanding prisons because of a rise in unreported crimes? We are in a defecit, spending was supposed to be restricted, not expanding.


Cafu Edmonton
said

Building prisons is not the solution, reforming the justice system is. If a serial killer can receive a nice pension (or OAS) and enjoy his life in the prison while many hard-working people are struggling to make ends meet, it might be impossible to build enough prison space.


Kevin, DR
said

That's roughly $250k per bed. Must be a tough go in there.


robin hood
said

Circumstantial evidence we argue in the court we bend we mold stories untold with strategic convincing wit.Of common law dare we claim a rouse a jest deceitful game. In justice fair ‘tis not our rule—we fight for not yet we grow strong. Of days to come of days gone past what’s gone amis shall right—alas Written on the sands of time onto the lord vengeance… sustain in temper awakened minds truth prevail of these our crimes sisters all one day will stand united brothers; in what was then forsaken land. ... and the last shall be first


Sask Voter
said

Great timing! Just what Canadians need right now...more spending. This Conservative government has created the largest deficit in our country's history and spent a record amount of taxpayers' money on propoganda, photo-ops, and advertising (EAP Sign Registry). To the Harper supporters that still think a majority's a coming...it's NOT. Canadians can't afford a Harper minority...there's NO way he'll ever get a majority.


Justin
said

We DESPERATELY need improvements to prisons throughout Canada. We DESPERATELY needed the new fighter jets. We did NOT need the long gun registry. What is wrong with people that they are unable to see their way through this. The Conservatives have done everything right to ensure a prosperous nation.


Elizabeth, Ontario
said

This is a good idea to allow space to keep criminals for their "actual" sentence instead of the 2/3, or less, they serve now. That will keep our communities safer. One has only to read Toronto newspaper or listen to news to know that violent criminal actions are not down. The overall crime rate, including B & E, vandalism, etc. may be down but still too many violent acts in our society as well as the on-going threat of terrorism.


GVR
said

Maybe the " Cons " are making more room for themselves. You never know what will happen when we really find out what they've been up too ! Now that would be funny !


Gary
said

This is a thorn in my side.Estimates are 100 to 200 thousand a year to keep a prisoner.Estimates are 400 to 800 a month for welfare recipients ???????Maximum 1600 a month for EI and around 1800 old age and Canada pension.Are we all crazy?? What do you think estimates for prisoners are in 3rd world countries??Break the law once,country club.Habitually break the law ,tough luck .You get third world country like conditions !! Stop the insanity.....


BC in BC
said

There an idea. Why not build a prison in a remote area like Hay River in NWT or somewhere north of Churchill. The only fences needed is one to keep the polar bears out. Can't escape. Camps could be like the ones used in the oilfields. If a criminal inside commits a crime, just throw him over the fence.


Adam of Hamilton
said

They forgot to mention here that the real fact of the expasion is because of the measure to introduce mandatory jail time for soft drug users. These new cells are not for real criminals (all reports find that real crime such as murder, rape and assult are all declining in Canada) these cells are for your children. 18, 19, 20 yearolds who are young and experimental, just like everyone at those ages. However this is an intellegent, though evil, way to ensure the stability of law enforcement jobs. Take a bunch of young kids who tried pot or ecstacy, throw them in a cell with a murderer or rapist, then let them out once they have grown to hate and distrust society, law and government. This is being used to create an assembly line of young criminals that will cause real crime, allowing police to keep their jobs in light of falling crime rates.


Campbell, Kingston
said

So the feds take away our prison farms here in Kingston and replace them with more cells. Talk about whacked priorities. To hell with restorative justice and hooray for lock-em-up-and-forget-em style justice. Thanks, Harper, for leaving us here scratching our heads and dreaming of an election once again!


Adam
said

They forgot to mention here that the real fact of the expasion is because of the measure to introduce mandatory jail time for soft drug users. These new cells are not for real criminals (all reports find that real crime such as murder, rape and assult are all declining in Canada) these cells are for your children. 18, 19, 20 yearolds who are young and experimental, just like everyone at those ages. However this is an intellegent, though evil, way to ensure the stability of law enforcement jobs. Take a bunch of young kids who tried pot or ecstacy, throw them in a cell with a murderer or rapist, then let them out once they have grown to hate and distrust society, law and government. This is being used to create an assembly line of young criminals that will cause real crime, allowing police to keep their jobs in light of falling crime rates.


Albertaboy111
said

This proposal will cost over $300,000 per inmate space created. Now that's effective use of our borrowed money alright.


PlaidShirt
said

Looks like a lot of you have your Opposition talking points memorized. (Crime rate falling since 1991, yada yada.)The only problem is that last week, statistics came out showing that the rate of unreported crime has gone up an even greater amount. I believe the figure was around 40% (highest rate on record). So in actual fact, the real crime rate has been rising for years, but hidden by propoganda. Hard for you to adjust your Leftist ideology to reality, but "them's the facts".So, I guess it disappoints liberals when criminals get caught, sentenced for their crimes and serve the time laid out in their sentence. However, the purpose is so that the effective crime rate really goes down instead of what we have now; people have given up on the criminal justice system.By the way, poverty does not cause crime. I'm sure for the upper middle class posters here, it is fine to stereotype poor people as potential criminals. However, it is the attitude of a bigot. There are many places in this world where the 3rd world poor have lower crime rates than 1st world Canada.Crime is a function of the likelihood of getting caught and sentenced, magnitude of the effective physical and social punishment, the opportunity and motivation for criminal behaviour.


Albertaboy111
said

I don't even know what to say anymore. People are still out of work. EI is a mess as will CPP become very shortly. Health care in this country is currently a joke, and funds keep getting cut, while nurses and doctor wages continue to rise, and the best idea these guys can come up with is adding an extra 100 million dollars onto the deficit to build more prison space to house unreported criminals? Please someone wake me up. I actually feel sick for my country... Anyone else feel like screaming?


Allan Eizinas
said

Build more prisons and throw more of them in jail. Clear our streets of all those no-good-nicks! It works in the USA. Doesn’t it?


Tim
said

For all you lefties out there criticizing Stockwell Day for mentioning unreported crimes, Stats Canada did reveal exactly that last month: "A new statistical portrait on crime in Canada shows that fewer victims are going to police, a trend attributed to a feeling that the incident is not worth the bother and authorities can't do anything about it. Statistics Canada, in the 2009 General Social Survey released Tuesday, reported that only 31 per cent of crime victims in the preceding 12 months said they took their cases to police. However, 71 per cent of those who had property stolen did not notify police, and young Canadians were less likely than older people to report crimes, said the survey of almost 20,000 people"How many of you whiney lefties will acknowledge that Day was right now that your vaunted Stats Can supports his statement?


Niagara George
said

LUC, I would be glad to take you up on your offer, but we don't have to wait for halfway houses or prisons or 10 years to pass. You go and live in an American city for a year. I'll go to Holland or Portugal. Which one of us has the higher risk of becoming a victim of crime? Which one of us will be able to move about all the neighbourhoods of our city? Which one of us has the better chance of surviving? We both know the answers! Retributive punishment has never been a deterent to crime and it never will be. Any thoughts you have about more prisons making Canada a safer country are only pie-in-the-sky dreams encouraged by neoCons who know they don't work, but also know that people are gullible when it comes to many issues. In this case they know that if they can fill the population with fear, they will easily sucker large numbers with their 'punishment always works' mantra. Any lie that will win some votes is a good lie in the court of King Steve.


Richard in Ontario
said

I really think we should stick to the Liberal way. Give criminals a slap on the wrist for the first two or three occasions, then on the fourth after they murder someone just let them serve a third of their sentence and get them back on the streets as soon as possible. Oh, I forgot to mention that we really have to rehabilitate them by building more basketball courts. If we can do the leftie thing we might just get a chance to close down all the jails since it is far more important that we spend money on Welfare and subsidized baby sitting than to have criminals serve time. With the Libs and NDPers it's damn the victims, they'll get over it, we can't be spending money putting criminals in jail.


5th Generation Canadian
said

Yup, we sure need more room for all the phantom perpetrators of all that non-reported crime.Hmm, wonder how far $95 million would go in improving our education and support systems for kids at risk?Oh, of course, silly me! I get it! Now that the census is totally useless, we'll not have any stats to prove that we have any poor areas and kids at risk! Mission Accomplished, eh?


Wendy
said

@Marg MM Yes please get your head out of the sand, Google Canada's crime rate, it's a fact it has been on a general decline since 1991. While your at it do a little research, longer sentences do not reduce crime. The US tough on crime laws have bankrupt their country, they lock up more of their citizens than any country in the world & they have the highest crime rate. Social programs are the only thing that have been proven to reduce crime.


reidjr
said

Jane
Jails are needed our system is to soft as it is.As for the liberals can do no wrong oh really lets look att he ontario liberals they have done so much damamge its going to take a miricale to fix it.


Frank
said

Oh why build more prisons? Lets spend it on more parks, homeless people, social housing, blah, blah, blah!

I agree with one comment made here. Crime rates are down because it seems judges today lets just about anyone get away with crime.

Look in the papers and you'll see someone who's done a serious crime apologize, do a sad face and say I'm sorry, and the bleeding heart judge lets them go free only to have most of them reoffend again.

COME ON PEOPLE! This is what's wrong with society today. The criminals have MORE RIGHTS then the victims thanks to leftist in this country. Whatever happened to: Do the crime do the time?

No, in today's society, we should coddle the poor criminal because he was probably yelled at as a child and this is why he's so bad today.

Makes me sick to see so many people critize the government for wanting to get tough on crime.

Maybe all you leftist should hold hands and walk through the meadows and sign Kumbaya my Lord with the birds chirping happily in the background.

Hey, come back to REALITY!!


Luc
said

Here's an idea. All of you against bulding more jails should send your name and address and volunteer to have a half-way house for hardened criminals build in your neighbourhood. So you can test your great theories first hand. Meanwhile, I will continue to support the construction of more jails so that my neighbourhood stays free of criminals. Meet again in ten years and see who fared the best... if you haven't moved.


walleyedgoalie
said

system has been ignored since the late sixties. it is about time to invest in them.


GVR
said

Yeah that's the spirit, give the criminals the best accomodations. Who cares ? It's just our very hard earned tax dollars being squandered here. Why don't they come and renovate our working class homes instead? That would be money well spent.Reno Prisons ... What a bunch of hogwash !


Barbarians inside the gate
said

So, why are the "Conservatives" expecting a spike in crime? Oh yeah, it's their socio-economic policies!


Luc from Carp
said

The sad truth is that criminals belong in jail. I am talking hardened criminals, those beyond redemption, those that have tasted the easy drug money, those that kill for money, those that have a deviance. If anyone thinks that they can be rehabilitated with the promise of a 8 to 5 job at $40k/year or by holding hands and singing kumbaya, then you need to give your head a shake. The news are filled with stories of victims of repeat offenders. I would much rather have my taxes pay for jail cells that sit empty, than to have criminals released prematurely and roaming the streets because a rehab program sounded better before an election that a jail building program.


Jason
said

If everything is so messed up why dont all you guys leave this "great" country. No wonder everyone around the world dislikes americans we think we know everything better than the person before us. Im going back to Europe where people make sense


Doug
said

lets just give each of them the $300,000 (95 mil /300 inmates) and maybe they will be nice....300k eachhow about a low bid or something


Glenn C
said

Enough tough talk Mr. Toews, Now keep them in longer and keep the public safe!


Niagara George
said

Let's hopt that all this fear mongering only makes Canadians afraid to vote for these neoCon cowboys. With the American example next door, we can see that long sentences and even the death penalty do absolutely nothing to reduce crime. Please think at a maturity level beyond that found in the school yard bully. He or she is the only one who should believe that tough wins in today's world.


Donny in Edmonton
said

Rather than expand on our current prisons why don't we make room vacating the cells of the dangerous ones via the death penalty. As a tax payer I don't want criminals to live comfortably on my dime. Bullets and electricity are cheaper. Much cheaper.


Jane
said

The neocons want to waste billions on new prisons when our crime rate has been decreasing since 1991. Do they plan on locking up everyone that disagrees with them. Then the out cry yesterday from the right wing-nuts because the liberals want to spend one billion to help the elderly & sick. Harper's plan must be to lock the elderly & sick up in his new prisons. The liberals care about Canadians, the neocons want to scare Canadians & lock them up. Canada is a great place to live because we have had mostly liberal governments, evey time the cons get in it takes the liberals years to clean up the mess the conservatives always make. This time will be no different.


MARG MM
said

Anyone that believes crime is going down either has their head in the sand, or lives on another planet. Check out the big city newspapers on a daily basis, and you will see that there are shootings, stabbings,brazen day time hold-ups, home invasions, and all sorts of other misdemeanors. Problem is, many of the ones committing these crimes are repeat offenders. The police have their hands tied, as when the criminal is arrested, chances are the Liberal judge will let them out to re-offend.The gangs are free to terrorize neighborhoods, and innocent people have been killed in the line of fire. We need tougher laws for criminals, we need judges that will give out sentences that fit the crime, and we need to help the victims and their families instead of coddling the criminals. If this means more or larger prisons, then so be it. Get the criminals off the streets and we can all feel safer. What we don't need is more of the Liberals "soft on crime" agenda, we've had that for long enough.


Albertaboy111
said

One only needs to look at the State of California to realize this is the WORST possible way to begin going about things. Mandatory minimum sentences and for profit prisons have proven to be a disastrous combination that has left the State bankrupt with some of the highest crime rates in the world. I think we need to take a step back and re-evaluate our decision making process.


Michel (Ottawa)
said

Having worked for the federal civil service for over 30 years, I know for a fact that you can make stats say whatever you wish or make them up to back up whatever ridiculous argument you wish to bring up. So keep the stats BS to yourselves. Just read a newspaper every now and then or check out the news some night. Pay attention to the ridiculous decisions our judges make when handing down sentences for some pretty serious crimes. As an example, look at a recent case here in Ottawa where some low-life punks beat the tar out of some poor ice-rink volunteer to the point the gentleman is permanently brain damaged and needs a cane to get around. I was shocked to read that one of the idiots who beat this poor man with a shovel only got house arrest?!?!? Now there's a deterent in a justice system that only liberals would be satisfied with. Unfortunately we now live in a society where it's always someone else's fault or there's always some mundane reason to justify criminal behaviour. The criminal scum of this country have come accustomed to playing the "poor me I had a rough childhood" card and the liberal judges just take it all in with teary eyes. Small wonder that the terrorists out there have also clued in to Canada's ridiculous justice and immigration systems.


Rick @ Ottawa
said

This has nothing to do with crime levels. It has everything to do with justice for victims, something that Liberal supporters don't care about or understand. I'm not even going to take the time to explain it, as I don't want to waste my time on people who care more about criminals than they do victims.


reece
said

It makes very little sense when crime rates are falling!! Consider too that many of United States debts are a direct result of the 3 strikes your out laws where prisons are crammed at tax payer dollar and these dollars are not being paid by the elite. They just pass the bill onto the hapless and unrepresented taxpayer. So now what? More people in prison but crime is falling. Ummm....I got it, lets model after the American prison to ensure we have repeat customers....remove the ability for the inmate to receive university credits while in prison and block his attempt to learn a skilled trade. This way, the conservatives could just release the prisoner back out onto the streets without hope and he can reoffend and return just so the conservatives could stay in power under the Law and Order platform. Very clever, Harper. Create conditions that will be used to stay in power under that banner when we all know you are not capable of coming up with more meaningful offerings to the electorate because as a traditional thinking mind you lack forward progressive thinking to compel us to vote you all in.


Gwen
said

Toews dismissed reports from Statistics Canada that the crime rate is falling. In July, the statistical agency reported that "both the volume and severity of police-reported crime fell in 2009," three per cent from 2008 and 17 per cent from 1999." This is exactly why this bunch of CRAPers want to get rid of the long form census...or any kind of 'factual information." The FACTS simply don't fit with the ideology of this bunch of idiots. And Toews is one of the biggest morons of the bunch.


shawn from ottawa
said

re: Pip comments, do the math...Yes, the population is greater, yes that means there would be more criminals... but a falling crime rate would indicate that current programs focusing on the root of crime and crime prevention are actually working... perhaps that's where the billions should be invested. Sometimes it's the meaning of the math that's more important


shawn from ottawa
said

re: Pip comments, do the math...Yes, the population is greater, yes that means there would be more criminals... but a falling crime rate would indicate that current programs focusing on the root of crime and crime prevention are actually working... perhaps that's where the billions should be invested. Sometimes it's the meaning of the math that's more important


Luc from Carp
said

To all those people who are criticising this government for wanting to be tougher on crime, i say let's releasae serious criminals early and let them move into your neighbourhood, see how you like it! What a bunch of hypocrites you are!! For YEARS the Liberals have been in favor of rehabilitation because they thought it would help them get re-elected even though repeat offenders roamed our streets. When individuals get a taste of EASY DRUG MONEY, when they are willing to KILL for money or RAPE to get their sexual fix, do you really think they are the type of people you can bring back to a honest living with the promise of an 8 to 5 job at $40K/year??? Give your head a shake and start thinking for yourself for a change!!!


cantuc
said

I actually took the locks off of my doors . I mean , geez , who the hell am I to stop the poor little thieve people to come into my house and take what should be theirs . I mean , geez , just because I worked for it and paid cash for it doesn't mean anything . After all , the root cause is they want it , I have it , so they are entitled to it right ?


shawn in ottawa
said

Stats Can claims crime rates are at their lowest in decades, and yet the government claims we need more prisons. Seems to me that the government should use facts and data rather than ideals to guide their decisions. What are the real values of Canadians? That's were we should prioritize our tax dollars. I would suggest that since crime rates are decreasing, our main concerns are1. Competing in an ever increasingly competitive science and technology sector to be leaders in innovation so that we don't have to buy technology from other countries2. Fixing the economy3. Improving the health care systemNo where do I see building more prisons... food for thought


maddison
said

Preacher Toews wants more prisons for unreported crimes on the advice of Pastor Stockwell Day(earth 5000 years old), give me a break. The Conservatives must have a line up of lobbyists for the privatized jails, and turn them in to the next big business in Canada. Many of the people locked up need mental health help, don't see a big increase in spending there. Poverty also breeds crime. Sart there.


kris PIttman
said

Prime example of why the Harperites, want to abolish the mandatory census. Facts get in te way of their ideology, and their ignorant base doesn't care for facts.Honestly, what government in the world would think a nations populace so stupid that they will lie to them in the face of statistics prepared for the government by a trusted agency that has been compiling these numbers for decades?For the conservatives, down is the new up, black is the new white, and the sky falls when they say it does. The ministry of truth is in full effect.Time to force and election Liberals.


Matt from Guelph
said

This is so unbelievable! Some fiscal "conservatives" we have here.If sticking people in jail made a country a safer place to be, the US would be paradise. Both studies and our own history have shown that investing in social programs is how crime is kept tame... our falling crime rates are the proof in the pudding. Seriously, I can't even believe that Mr. Toews is so quick to dismiss the statistics that show that crime is falling. What utter disrespect for science - it's a slap in the face to this grad student. How 30% or more of Canadians can support throwing $13 billion at building prisons completely escapes me. What happened to this country?


State the Facts
said

The reason crime rates are going down is because a lot of criminals get away with not being criminaly responsible. There are a lot of major crimes that received lots of national attention but in the end the crimonal does not get a criminal record (beheading on the greyhound bus for example). This is all thanks to the former Liberal Governments Hug a Thug policies. Their Hug a Thug policies and attitudes are also the reason criminals get everything and victims of crime get nothing. The next time you hear about and get angry because a pedophile or a person commits any crime against children and only getting a year or two and and a half years for a sentence stop and ask yourself would it be so bad if we got tougher on crime.


Happy Canadian
said

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.Our justice system spends way too much time on prisoner rights and not enough on victims rights.Crime does pay in our country.Use some of the stimulus money to create construction and other jobs by building new prisons in area of low employment that will also deter escape.Anywhere North would be good. Northern Ontario, north in any province actually. The Territories would be great!prison should not be fun.Megaplex in NWT.


Michel (Ottawa)
said

Au contraire, the gov’t is trying to put more criminals in jail for full sentences where they belong but every time they come out with a new crime bill they either run into the unofficial but real bloc-liberal-ndp coalition or the liberal stacked senate. Oh yes let’s not forget the liberal minded judges which seem to be the majority out there. In today’s day and age, I’m not a believer in the liberal fantasy world with their hug-a-thug approach to crime fighting where the scum are more protected than the actual victims of crime. Just ask Mr. Chen in Toronto about that one. Tack onto that the liberal approach to addressing youth crime where they give kids under 18 carte blanche to do pretty well whatever they want and get no more than a slap on the wrist at best. Oh and let’s not forget the liberal immigration system (mess) that ensures we allow the scum and lowlifes from all over the world to come here to benefit from our generous welfare and crime mockeries. The liberal bubble world they live in is not the Canada I want for me and my children. Maybe that worked in the 50’s and 60’s but this is the 21st century post 9-11 reality which needs to be kept in the forefront of everyone’s mind and not return to this complacent liberal-minded way of governing.


Mary
said

Toews dismissed reports from Statistics Canada that the crime rate is falling. I guess the CONS just make up their own statistics based upon their need to gain an ideological advantage and suck in the ill informed and 2 dimensional voters.


Pip
said

Tod: please learn about statistics. While the crime RATE (expressed as so many per hundred thousand) may be the same or lower than it was a decade or so ago, because the population has increased the actual NUMBER of crimes has increased at the same rate. Do the MATH!


doug
said

No, this prison initiative has nothing to do with reality!This is all about the fact that Harpoclown wants to incarcerate all members of the media and anyone who disagrees with him or disobeys him.Essentially anyone with a modicum of savvy or intelligence is targeted.Goodness, since he craves such isolation from Canadians, perhaps he should have a prison (walled fortress) built for him alone. He could even stock the cells with Gideon Bibles.Doug


Gareth Hitchings
said

Public Policy involving billions of tax dollars is being made on the basis of fantasy. If Galileo were Canadian, Harper would have him lockedup in one of his new prisons. This is not a conservative government; it's a 15th century theocracy.


art
said

If the money was spent on creating jobs we would be much better off. We all know that a lot of crime is the result of high unemployment. People who are successfully working do not have to resort to crime.


Kim
said

I had to log on just to make a comment on the absurdity of this story. If you want to deal with crime, look at the root issues of the problem like lack of education and poverty rather than punishing those more harshly. Poverty = crime, that's undeniable. Scaring people into harshing punishments doesn't deter people from committing crimes. This simple minded logic proves that our government is incapable of solving problems, instead they simply offer temporary solutions which won't lower the crime rate.


Fiscally Left
said

You only have to look at the US to see how tough on crime has failed, they don't have room for people in prison. In the US a 90 day sentence gets automatically reduced to 14 days because they don't have have any room. The US has some of the toughest crime laws in the world & they have the highest crime rate because of their laws. The Harper neocons agenda to push fear mongering is the sign of a sick government. I read an article where the fire department went to a fire in the US, the fire department let the house burn to the ground because the people hadn't paid their fire dues. This shows how the US tough on crime has taken so much money out of the pockets of US citizens. Portugal on the other hand decriminalized all drugs in 2001, the death rate dropped, drug use dropped, & the crime rate dropped. Portugal is made up of mostly catholic conservatives & no one in the past 9 years has asked to make drugs illegal again because decriminalization has worked so well. Harper wants Canada to have the same crime problem they have in the US, it will only bankrupt our great nation. No mention of unreported crimes, this government lies so much we can't believe a word they tell us. Just like all those unreported calls complaining about the long form census. Harper is destroying our great nation, we need an election to vote in the fiscal liberals.


Tod
said

An article 2 weeks ago said the crime rate was lower than it had been in years. Looks like the Harper neocons have screwed up every thing, Canada's crime rate had been on a general decline since 1991, Harper neocons bad management must have increased the crime rate.


CraigW
said

We keep putting more and more people in jail, yet crime serious enough to warrant jail time keeps increasing. This doesn't seem to be the right solution.


Bob from St. John's
said

Darn it! I was hoping we would get a NEW prison here in NL for all the unreported crime that goes on here! Talk about a missed opportunity!


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