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Dr. Andre Bourque, representing the group Vivre dans la Dignite, prepares to make his presentation on the first day of the public inquiry into Death with Dignity in Montreal, Tuesday, Sept. 7, 2010. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Inquiry President Geoffrey Kelley speaks to presenters on the first day of the public inquiry into Death with Dignity, in Montreal, on Tuesday, Sept. 7, 2010 (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Medical

No consensus at Quebec euthanasia hearings

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CTV Montreal: Maya Johnson on the hearings
The first in a series of public hearings into allowing euthanasia in Quebec begins today in Montreal.
CTV News Channel: Hugh Scher, lawyer
A human rights lawyer and legal counsel for the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition explains his concerns over the discussions and says to lessen protections will have the act become meaningless and it will present a slippery slope and will not protect people from serious abuse.
CTV News Channel: Linda Couture, Living with Dignity
The director of Living with Dignity says her organization is a non-profit that is concerned about the misinformation being circulated, including among medical personnel and the public.
Canada AM: Geoff Kelley, committee chair
The chair of the Public Hearings on Euthanasia explains why Quebecers will delve into the thorny and emotionally charged debate over euthanasia and assisted suicide this week as public hearings into dying with dignity get underway.
CTV Montreal: Rob Lurie on the hearings
Quebecers will delve into the thorny and emotionally charged debate over euthanasia and assisted suicide this week as public hearings into dying with dignity get underway. Rob Lurie reports.
CTV News Channel: Kerry Bowman, professor
A professor of bioethics at the University of Toronto discusses euthanasia. He says it is incredibly important to have public debates on euthanasia, as it is long overdue. He adds there is an increasing number of Canadians who seem to be supportive of euthanasia.

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Dr. Andre Bourque, representing the group Vivre dans la Dignite, prepares to make his presentation on the first day of the public inquiry into Death with Dignity in Montreal, Tuesday, Sept. 7, 2010. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Inquiry President Geoffrey Kelley speaks to presenters on the first day of the public inquiry into Death with Dignity, in Montreal, on Tuesday, Sept. 7, 2010 (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Medical

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Dr. Andre Bourque, representing the group Vivre dans la Dignite, prepares to make his presentation on the first day of the public inquiry into Death with Dignity in Montreal, Tuesday, Sept. 7, 2010. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Tue. Sep. 7 2010 6:54 PM ET

Legal and medical experts, as well as members of the public, debated the merits and drawbacks of euthanasia and assisted suicide in Montreal Tuesday, as public hearings on the topic of dying with dignity got underway in Quebec.

A committee of elected officials in Quebec is reviewing medical practices on euthanasia and end-of-life care.

Committee head and Quebec Liberal MNA Geoff Kelley said a consensus over the issue is unlikely given the diversity of opinions that committee members heard in just the first day of hearings.

"We're listening," Kelley said during a break in Tuesday's hearing. "We saw this morning already that there's a great divergence of opinion. I can assure you that (as) we go forward, we won't get any clearer."

Earlier Tuesday, Kelley said it's been 17 years since B.C.'s Sue Rodriguez brought the issues of mercy killing to the fore, when she fought all the way to the Supreme Court for the right to kill herself. And though the court eventually ruled against her, the debate has never gone away, he said.

"It's a debate Canadians have seen before… but the feeling in Quebec is that we're ripe to have this discussion," he told CTV's Canada AM from Montreal.

Kelley said it was the Quebec College of Physicians and Surgeons that invited his committee to review euthanasia and end-of-life care.

"With advances in medical technology and with using medications, the conditions of end of life contain grey zones that doctors have identified. They'd like to have some clear indication of what is and what isn't permitted," he explained.

The committee has already heard from 32 legal and medical experts on the issues and it is now be the public's turn to join the discussion.

Some 300 written and oral submissions from the public are expected, while another 3,300 citizens have filled out an online questionnaire.

Euthanasia and assisted suicide are currently illegal in Canada; these hearings won't change that. But the debate about what is legal – and what is right – has been revived in recent years, with organizations representing doctors calling for changes to rules governing euthanasia.

Some doctors note that euthanasia already happens all the time, with medical professionals quietly hastening death through many means, such as increasing dosages of narcotics.

Others want to discuss assisted suicide, which is somewhat different and is defined as having someone counsel or help someone who has decided to end his or her own life. Still others want to discuss palliative care and the conditions at end of life.

"We want to make some things more clear and answer some of the questions that people who are pushing for change have raised," said Kelley.

The two sides of the euthanasia and assisted suicide debates include people who are concerned that opening the door to the practices will endanger society's most vulnerable people, such as those suffering from dementia or who are physically handicapped.

"In a family where they feel this is hard, the burden or whatever, they could take a decision for that person with dementia, and we don't want to go there," Linda Couture of the organization Living with Dignity told CTV Montreal.

Dr. Andre Bourque, chief of the department of general medicine at the Centre hospitalier de l'Universite de Montreal, said Tuesday he does not have a problem with a patient choosing to cease treatment. But lethal injection, he said, is wrong.

"It's direct killing of a human being, and there's no need for this and it's dangerous," Bourque told reporters.

On the other side of the debate are those who say everyone should have the right to decide how their own life ends.

Nicole Gladu, who suffers from post-polio syndrome and whose condition is deteriorating, said outside the hearing she applauds MPs for being "courageous enough to face reality."

"I think I should be authorized to put an end to my life when I decide this is the best thing for me," Gladu told CTV Montreal. "And it's impossible."

The Select Committee on Dying with Dignity will visit 11 communities across Quebec, starting in Montreal.

With a report from CTV Montreal's Maya Johnson

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Vanc Guy
said

Hypocrites - doctors already kill people everday by cutting off their fluids - an ugly death.If an adult with a sound mind asks for mercy - it should be granted.


Parent of a disabled child
said

I see someone brought the latimers into the discussion, expected that since there is always someone who will use an individual tragedy to justify their politics. Euthanasia is murder, but (there is always a but) everyone has to follow their individual concience. In the latimer case, it wouldn't have come to that if the self-proclaimed gods we call doctors had behaved more resonably instead of wanting to experiment on a disabled vulnerable girl leaving her father with no options to protect her from more pain. I don't support his decision but I do understand it.


Howard in Ontario
said

I think euthanasia is probably the second most controversial subject if which to have a debate about. The first for me, would be religion. I think it ironic that those whose argument against any form of euthanasia, abortion, or any other form of assisted suicide that is based on their religious beliefs or principals, conveniently forget somehow about the countless numbers of people who have been killed or are being killed right now for the sake of religious conformity. If they want to debate about euthanasia, OK, right after we debate about why their religious beliefs should be given any credence in any argument. For those who are in favor of euthanasia (being distinct from assisted suicide), are you prepared to be the one who decides when and how? Could you live with yourself if you did? I have had the misfortune of watching my wife of 30 years succumb to the ravages of cancer. There was enough medication prescribed, and available to end her suffering if came to that, and I wouldn't have hesitated. I could not in any way ask that any health care professional, or any other person to do it - the psychological burden would be way too heavy. I was spared however, in that she met her end naturally - if you can call it that, and I didn't have to make that decision. I think most people would not let a loved one suffer needlessly. It's the hardest decision one would ever have to make, and compounding the extreme difficulty in doing so by attracting criminal prosecution makes it doubly so. Robert and Tracy Latimer's story is a worthwhile read for those who want to prepare themselves to argue about euthanasia.


enester
said

If suffering and pain are the reasons to end one's life, why isn't the medical profession focussing on improved methods of pain medication and palliative care? Allowing the option of the 'right' to die will only add the 'duty' to die as has been evidenced in Holland. Those who have low self-esteem, are depressed, or have limited financial resources may feel they are a burden to society and are doing the 'right ' thing by choosing suicide. If dependancy becomes a warrant for death, then where will we, as a society draw the line?


Bubba says at what point is it murder?
said

@Linda: People don't choose to live or not. You get conceived and born with no choice in the matter.

You can choose to die. What we are talking about is not if you can choose to die, but whether it is legal for you to choose to die.

Once you cross that threshold, then the question is, can someone else help you, and at what point is helping you going to be considered murder. What if you cannot speak, of sign in some way, can someone make that choice for you. Is it not murder when some guy with a gun makes that choice for you. What is the point where it is now murder?


Marco J - Medicine Hat
said

We already have the limited ability to decide to live or die with Living Wills. There is nothing illegal about making your wishes known and having them followed in these cases. How is it so different when one wants that very same choice without having to go through the pain and/or trauma of being in a condition that requires medical resuscitation. Regulate the conditions under which a patient or their family can make this decision, enforce the rules, and prosecute when they are broken. I had a cousin back home in The Netherlands that made that choice for herself when she was suffering from terminal cancer and in constant, unmanagable pain. She was able to properly say goodbye to her family and die peacefully in her own bed, surrounded by people and things that gave her comfort about the great life she had. She went to sleep, then passed away. To those of you that feel that this goes against your religion, don't do it. But don't expect me to alter my relationship with my God to fit your definition. It does not serve my God to suffer needlessly and to no end. My church may not agree with this position, but they have several other positions that I do not agree with either. One thing we both agree on......FREE WILL!!!


Sara
said

My grandmother was in a nursing home. We were told she had a massive stroke and would most likely not make it through the night. She was sent to emergency - given that diagnosis- and sent back to the home to die. I went to see her. She exibited no physical signs of a stroke whatsoever. She was eating porridge drinking water and talking to me. I sent her back to hospital. Not without a battle though. My mother signed a DNR form and so the home stated they would not send her to hospital. At the end she was at the hospital and in turn transferred out to a bigger city hospital for a proper diagnosis. She was severely anemic. Blood transfusions given - sent back to home. She called two weeks later and told me she hadn't felt this good in years. Medical incompetence is a huge problem in nursing homes. Also in doctors offices and yes, in some hospitals. A DNR does not mean no medical treatment for an undiagnosed condition. She had no terminal illness. Yet they were prepared to continue to overdose her with morphine and let her die. You MUST stay on top of all medical care for any family member in a home. Get the test results and consult with others to ensure best care and best practices. This situation was shocking and really opened my eyes to what the future holds. Medical incompetence must be a part of this debate - it is in essence the silent killer we don't hear about.


Wendy
said

This issue parallels with the abortion issue, the right wing -nuts would rather 1/2 million women & 9 million children suffer & die each year because they disagree with abortion. My mom is in the late stages of Alzheimer's she can no longer do anything for herself. I personally would have a hard time pulling the plug & these decisions should be made by health care professionals without the bleeding hearts from the wing nuts. My mother wouldn't want to be a live if she knew that a stranger has to bath her daily & help her to use a washroom.


Andrew
said

Anyone who disagrees with euthanasia needs to take a walk through a nursing home and see first hand just how painful and degrading withering away for years can be. As a paramedic I have seen death in all its forms and the slow one is by far the worst. Try an experiment, lay on your side in the fetal position and don't reposition at any point until your joints ache and you get bleeding pressure ulcers on your skin, have bowel movements in a diaper and sit in it for hours, breathe with your mouth open until your tongue and lips dry out and begin to crack and bleed because even your jaw muscles are atrophied and you cant close your mouth...then see how you feel about your quality of life. It's easy to disagree with euthanasia while you're able to walk and talk and generally enjoy your life. It breaks my heart every time I hear a patient say "please let me die" and I know that their wishes will be ignored. I found it ironic that weeks ago CTV quoted a DR at the Toronto zoo who euthanized the 30 yo gorilla there when he said that it was "The most humane thing they could have done" and I thought my god, we treat our animals more humanely than each other.


Jim in Ottawa
said

Let's all hope that Quebeckers will come to their senses and put an end to this barbaric proposal before it can gain any traction.


Rob
said

This is the inevitable discussion that occurs when socialized medicine can no longer support the population. It's no coincidence that this subject is being floated (again) by Quebec - the "Greece" of Canada.


BJ Lockhart
said

Euthanasia already exists in Canada. My wife passed away after a lengthy illness. Every time she was admitted to the ER, she was asked if she had DNR. Also a doctor at the Hospital told me to take her home and let her die there. She was repeatedly released from hospital and sent home only to be readmitted because she had not been stabilized. Social Services became involved and convinced her tobe admitted to a nursing home and sign a DNR. Another patient who was in the room as my wife was also told to go home as there was nothing they could do for her. This patient was admitted to another hospital and rallied around and was told she had another 7 t0 8 years. My question is "IS THIS NOT ANOTHER FORM OF EUTHANASIA"?BJ


Canbuhay
said

The question is not about whether people have a right to decide how to die - they do. Suicide is not illegal in this country.

However it is not personal choice when you empower a group of people, be it doctors or family, to kill another group of people. You are giving someone else the power to end your life. This scenario obviously is prone to abuse as cases in Oregon and the Netherlands show us - doctors killing people who don't want to die. In our overburdened medical system, it is easy for it to become a duty to die rather than a right to die. Even Sue Rodriguez began to question her desire for death when she found purpose in life (ironically, the right-to-die movement).

Personal choice ends when someone else is empowered to choose to kill you - that is something we should never allow in our country.


Syl
said

Euthanasia, mercy killing, abortion, suicide are all murder and should be treated as such. Man can not make, or change any laws making these things right. They will always be wrong. I can not imagine going to a doctor for medical advice knowing that he had just come from the hospital after killing someone, especialy a helpless baby.


Jim in the West
said

I don't know about the rest of you, but no one will tell me how I will leave this world if indeed Fate grants me the opportunity to choose. When I have nothing left to offer my family - be that support, assistance, wisdom, or education - I will end my own life, in honor and dignity. When I have nothing left to offer, I can only hope that I have one thing left to teach.


Linda
said

If people have "the right to live", then people must also have the right to chose how to end their own lives. One right can not exist without the other. If the individual's life is to have intrinsic value, than such value must extend from the living of the life to the ending of it.


Gregory Boudreau
said

This is just wrong, before you know it they will be picking who should live or die, and this can be based on age and money. This is just wrong, people are getting close to playing God. If this is passed, just what how many other provinces will do the same. With all the money that is spent on Health care these days, and the avaliabilty of hospital beds, this could be a dangerous combination esp. for sick people of older people.


Victorian Kate (86 years strong)
said

I agree with Will. assisted suicide is not the same thing as euthanasia. One is a personal choice, the other is murder.


Dave Hays
said

Why is it that we are so intent on making human beings suffer needlessly? If some one was to let an animal lay in its own filth and suffer from something which would eventually kill it, the person or persons resonsible would be charged with cruelty. I only hope that if I become so ravaged by life, that I will be allowed to go to a doctor and die with dignity, with loved ones by my side. As I have done for the creatures who I have loved.


Doomed to Alzheimer’s
said

I watched as my grandmother withered away, slowly and painfully from Alzheimer’s. This was journey though the depths of hell for everyone that took almost 15 years, eventually dying from starvation. The most horrid thing to watch and feel was her lucid moments, rare, but still there even the day before she died, knowing what was happening to her, knowing she was trapped in her mind. Her last words to my mother for months were I WANT TO DIE over and over again those 4 words. Yet because of the laws all she could do is suffer, trapped in her own mind and decrepit body, not even able to express her pain. I sincerely hope the law changes before my mother is diagnosed (the signs are already there). Knowing what is coming this time around how much worse will it before her?I posted this yesterday on another article regarding this event. How dare anyone impose their self righteous, bogus religious views on another human being??? HOW DARE YOU MAKE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING SUFFER NEEDLESSLY? Keep your fatheaded, neo-Nazi, religious beliefs under your own roof, and not mine. Until you have lived and suffered with and through such a horrific part of life as watching someone you love suffer in pain, torment from AIDS, Alzheimer’s, Cancer, or any of the horrifying things that can go on in your body to only come to a end in a long, slow death, rotting away in front of your loved ones, ONLY then can you even open your mouth to express an opinion. Until then, zip it!


Will
said

The problem is that people are talking about different things. If someone wants to be able to exercise the choice to end their life when medical needs become too extreme or pain is unbearable, I can support that. Euthanasia, however, is a different thing. Euthanasia is the killing of someone else, who has NOT made the decision to end their life. It is the killing of someone who has become inconvenient to look after or whose life is somehow less worthy than your own. I recall that in the past doctors often performed euthanasia as a routine part of thier eugenics programs (especially in Nazi Germany, thought it happened in most "enlightened" western countries from the 1920s through the 1960s). Euthanasia is, quite simply, murder. It is NOT an act of mercy. Assisted suicide is an act of mercy and must have checks on it to prevent abuse. And for the record, a DNR order for a terminally ill loved one is NOT euthanasia. The hardest duty I ever had was signing a DNR for my dying wife, but we had discussed this while she was still with me and it was HER choice.


Gregoryd
said

re Bob SmithWell spoken from obviously someone who has never suffered with a deadly disease. In regard to your comparision to the Dutch; this is nonsense. No one can decided to end you life unless you are mentally sane and ask for it. I bet if you had a dog suffering you would be right there having it put down out of compasion but do not obviously have the same compasion for humans. How many people who wish to end their lives with dignity rather than suffer an excruiating death end up suffering greatly trying to end their life when there is no need. The statement you made about getting rid of people because of cost is just ridiculous. I have a debilitating health problem and when the time comes I can not live a life with dignity or become a burden on my family I pray there is someone there to help me go piecefully and not die in agony. Just think if the last thing you rember of your life is being bed ridden, no quality of life, suffering agonizing pain, waiting to get your diaper changed, and having your family burdened with your care. I think it is pretty arrogant for people who have no Idea what it is like to live like this to get up on their pedistal and preach how wrong it is.


realist
said

Bob: spoken like someone who has never watched someone die an excrutiating death. There is a WORLD of difference between Hitler and what is being discussed here. Hitler did not give people the choice. The point of euthanasia is to be able to choose for YOURSELF if you want to die. If you were suffering from an excrutiating illness, could hardly breathe, couldn't eat or get out of bed, and you were in horrible pain day and night - wouldn't you want to have the CHOICE to end it?? Of course there needs to be rules and boundaries so that people don't abuse euthanasia - but it is also a topic that is FAR from black and white so it needs to be discussed and debated further. Do you really want someone else to be the one in charge of what you do and don't do with your own body?


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

To be or not to be. It should be as simple as that. If someone no longer wishes to live. what right does society, doctors, politicians, priests, courts or anyone else REALLY have to overrule or supersede the most fundamental of choices that a person has.


bob smith sakatoon
said

Why is it that people are intent on killing others. Be it abortion or "mercy killing"? The argument for mercy killing has been around for a long time. In the 1930's the argument was put forward to and accepted by a Euopean leader. His name was Hitler and he agreed with the same arguments that are being put forward today. From mercy killing it just rolled down hill from there to enforced euthansia for all undesirerables, The sick, mentally handicapped, jews, etc.If you want to know how it works now in Holland, they may have rules to follow before a mercy killing, but usually it's just a Dr deciding that you have to go and kills you there in the hospital. Usually because it's costing too much to keep you alive.These are just a few historical reasons I disagree with mercy killing.


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