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Industry Minister Tony Clement prepares to appear before the House of Commons Industry committee looking into changes of the long-form census on Parliament in Ottawa, Tuesday July 27, 2010. (Fred Chartrand / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Munir Sheikh, former chief statistician at Statistics Canada, appears on Canada AM from CTV studios in Ottawa, Wednesday, Aug. 11, 2010 Munir Sheikh, former chief statistician at Statistics Canada, appears on Canada AM from CTV studios in Ottawa, Wednesday, Aug. 11, 2010 Munir Sheikh, former chief statistician at Statistics Canada, appears on Canada AM from CTV studios in Ottawa, Wednesday, Aug. 11, 2010 Liberal MP Bob Rae speaks to reporters during a press conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Wednesday Aug. 11, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Conservatives make changes to short-form census

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Date: Wed. Aug. 11 2010 9:28 PM ET

Facing a public backlash and possible legal action, the Conservatives have decided to add linguistic questions to the short-form census and drop the threat of jail time for those who refuse to participate.

Industry Minister Tony Clement said Wednesday that three linguistic questions will be included.

An Ottawa group had issued a legal challenge to the government to block the National Household Survey from replacing the long-form census, arguing the census is crucial to the delivery of French-language services. The Federal Court agreed to fast-track the case and set a hearing date for Sept. 27-28.

Clement said the latest changes "will ensure the government's compliance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Official Languages Act and its regulations."

"Our government believes that this fair and reasonable approach is a better balance between collecting necessary data and protecting the privacy rights of Canadians," Clement said.

Liberal MP Bob Rae said Clement is "scrambling" to answer those who are critical of the government's move to a voluntary survey.

"Everyone agrees that we don't need prison sentences to have a mandatory form. We do need a mandatory long-form to be able to provide reliable data to the provinces and to the people of Canada about the condition of the Canadian people, about how we're doing," Rae told CTV News Channel early Wednesday evening.

"The language issue is now in a compulsory form. But the question will then be, ‘What about the other questions?' I just think the minister doesn't have a logical answer to any of these questions."

Earlier Wednesday, the former head of Statistics Canada, in a last ditch effort to dissuade the government from abandoning the mandatory long-from census, said the move will imperil the reliability of information collected by the agency across the board.

Data from the long-form census "provides the benchmarking" for many of the surveys that StatsCan conducts, Munir Sheikh said.

"If we don't have that benchmarking available we will not be able to tell whether or not the data we are conducting from other surveys is truly reliable or not," he told CTV's Canada AM. "Without that reference point we can't really tell whether that information is good or bad."

Sheikh resigned from his post as the agency's top statistician last month after media reports, quoting Clement, reported that StatsCan recommended Ottawa replace the mandatory long-form census with a voluntary survey.

Clement has since distanced himself from those comments.

Yesterday, the government released nearly 200 pages of emails and briefing notes to the House of Commons Industry committee, which is probing the government's decision to scrap the mandatory long-form census and replace it with the voluntary National Household Survey.

The documents reveal that just before Sheikh resigned he was set to tell agency staffers that the National Household Survey, "will not provide useful data" to groups that use the mandatory long-form census.

However, that meeting was cancelled and Sheikh resigned hours after the government was made aware of his proposed comments, according to the newly released documents.

Sheikh would not comment on whether the Conservatives were trying to control what the agency said about the census change, saying that he would "let the documents speak for themselves."

"The information that has been made public, I think people can read that information and draw their conclusions from it," he said Wednesday morning, adding that he stands by his decision to leave his post.

Dropping the mandatory long-form survey has been widely criticized and experts say the data will be virtually useless because some groups will be less likely to respond to a voluntary survey.

The newly released documents back up a claim Sheikh made to the Commons committee last month that he quit his job over reports the agency recommended scrapping the mandatory census. Sheikh said those reports, which were based on statements by Clement, were damaging to the agency's credibility.

"The one and only factor that led to my decision that I made, was Statistics Canada's reputation," he said. "I thought that if I did not leave my job Statistics Canada's reputation would be tarnished for a long time to come -- and that was something I did not think that I could accept."

The Conservatives have said they plan to push ahead with a voluntary survey despite the controversy, arguing that the mandatory long-form census is too intrusive and a voluntary survey will produce sufficient data.

But opposition parties have described the move to a voluntary survey as a political manoeuvre designed to appeal to the Tories' electoral base.

With files from The Canadian Press

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havelock Heavy
said

Typical trick by this government, if there is a backlash to a dumb policy decision, do some minor tinkering and hope the problem goes away. Nice try Mr. Clement but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. bring back the long form and the problem will go away. You migh even get some credit for doing the right thing.


P.
said

Hey Tony, the census didn't need any changes to begin with...tempest in a teapot...oh wait, could that be the "Tea Party" teapot?


Mr Chamberlain
said

Even this government knew it was wrong - accept for its own political purposes - to mess with how stats are collected. So, instead of heeding some good advice on the matter, the Harperites tried to bully Stats Canada into taking responsibility for that political direction, and what? - They then go out and outright LIE about it in the media -- after Stats Canada told them to take a hike. I really cannot stand anyone unable to take responsibility for their actions. Accountability? Ha! What a joke! I don't care who you are, putting YOUR PARTY ahead of YOUR COUNTRY is not only stupid, it's dangerous! WAKE UP, CANADA!


Ann
said

I will be you we still haven't heard the end of Munir Sheikh.......His reason for wanting the long form hasn't been addressed yet.....you will see.


eddytoronto
said

Our Goverment Sold us Out!Canada is in a death spiral and when the clock strikes 12:00 /2011 everyone will see there is No Recovery!


Sober, Newmarket
said

Bring back the long census form.


Cubie
said

Has anyone checked this out? According to a radio commentary Wednesday the American census bureau has decided to make the USA long-form census voluntary. Apparently this was started during the Clinton administration and is now being implemented under Pres. Obama's watch. If this is so, what is the big issue with our lefties?


Len
said

Many can say that this is an important issue, many say it is not. One should not forget the main issue about the census scam - that Tony Clement and Stephen Harper lied to us, and, by doing so, tried to hoodwink us. Now they are 'making changes' to accommodate us. When are we going to say enough is enough. When are we going to call the Conservatives on their lies - poor and simple lies.


Joyce Stares
said

If the government asks us to do a census then we should do it. New welfare, pensions, health care etc. lists should be made from this census. Anyone not filling it out would be considered anti Canadian and would not be on the lists as they should not benefit from handouts from the government. Let those who follow the rules benefit.


Ray Luft
said

By the time the census comes around, the new Government will probably be easier to get along with.


Mark
said

I'm not sure there was a public backlash. Just a bunch of partisan politicians making a mountain out of a molehill.


Sue
said

Mr. Clement, you have been caught out in a lie. You have lied to the Canadian people. We are the ones who pay your salary and we are the ones you should answer to. Resign, Mr. Clement.


Tod
said

The long-form census is all about gathering information. Having full and complete information is crucial to making the "right" decisions.... the "right" plans for all Canadians... the "right" plans for growth, jobs, clean environment, personal liberties, rights and freedoms, etc. If you scrap the long-form census... you loose the ability to gather full and complete information, and you loose the ability to make the right decisions. Without the long-form census, there will be an information void, and the party in power can make "other" decisions... and make "other" plans.... plans that suit their own political agenda. This is just another step in the "Americanization" of Canada. If you don't see this, or refuse to acknowledge this... then shame on you. Information is power. Control of information is power.


Mary
said

The Conservative government needs to put this ridiculous issue behind them lest too many Canadians figure out why politicians as a class have a worse reputation for honesty than used car salesmen. Fortunately, there's a simple solution; namely, a) reinstate the long form census, with or without the extra questions of language; b) with the support of the opposition parties, rescind the penalty of jail time for non-compliance; and c) with the extra money they won't have to spend on a voluntary long census, launch a campaign to educate those who claim the census is intrusive about the responsibilities of citizenship that are the price tag on the rights they keep claiming are being trampled on.


Mike
said

Humm ..Ya ever get the feel'in were all Lab Rats.. Alot of people/ interest groups want more control over who gets what related to this issue...Every one seems to have a stake in this information and information gathering...It's a simple a division of Money regardless. I'm not a lab rat I am a Canadian and if some one wants something I have, then they can ask me nicely, it will only be put forward if I feel so inclined to give it ... So be it. End of story. I guess Orwels 1984 is long forgotten. People, your part of the study wake up.. You have a choice.. Don't just participate in the march of the Lemmings.There are those who feel that they need and want our information, this doesn't necessarily mean you should have to give it. Those who just sit thinking oh it's not that important an issue, You need to think again. Gee the second world war and Hitlers regime rings a bell. Don't just sit and watch as your marched toward the front door of socializm or any other izm that might be applicable. Time to wake up from that long snooze Canada.


Tom Tass
said

I don't know what public backlash the media and the Liberals are talking about!! I don't give a rats behind about the census. I want jobs and security issues discussed. This is just a stupid issue created to avert our attention away from really important issues. Unbelievable.

Rob W.
said

This could be a way around funding requirements and mandates based on census data ie. number of people over retirement age, people approaching retirement, Health Canada pension funding for Medicare and services regarding ESL citizens largely rooted in the charter. If the feds don't have the info, they are not legally obliged to put aside funds. This will have a downward effect on minimum holdings on part of the feds and free up revenue for other, possibly more high profile and political initiatives.


David - Ottawa
said

That's not a solution! That's a cop-out! And they have just made things worse in the process!


N. Tobin in St. John's
said

Most right wingers don't seem to understand the need for a census. It's funny how ideals overrule common sense. Don't worry, the rest of us will do the hard work so you can get a free ride.


mike
said

Maybe stats can needs to be scrapped.


James T Murphy
said

Stats Can, along with the liberal media, have made this a politically charged debate that very few have any understanding of the real issue. Sides are taken not on the basis of fact but on political bias. Ask a liberal if the long form should be scrapped and they will tell you no. Ask a conservative and they will tell you yes. Polarized on political lines. The inaccurate reporting of the issue by simply means there can not be a reasonable debate. Mission accomplished.


Elias Nasrallah
said

The Lefties are going crazy over this....now they won't have anything to fall back on to make the new social engineering policies. The Left want control and they want to know everything and it is none of their business. Harper is doing the right thing. All those that are going against scrapping the form are the ones that need it to exploit Canadians. It drives them crazy to lose a little control.....


Tono
said

I am a long-time Conservative supporter, but I disagree with them strongly on this. In a huge country like Canada, with our ridiculously loose immigration laws, we need to know who is in our country. Thankfully enough for me, the Christian Heritage Party (the only other reliable right-wing party) supports the obligatory census.

Jason Parkhill
said

People who are not fluent in English/French, disaffected/disinterested and others will not fill out the voluntary forms. Conversely, those who are keen will jump at the opportunity. How can you get reliable data out of that?Those who are posting emotional arguments and insults are not the people I want influencing scientific policy.


Terry
said

Not sure what the big deal is here ! If the government wants the long form filled out its simple. Remove the criminal code implications and give everyone who does fill out a long form a tax rebate of $200.00 Case closed..


Dom
said

Could somebody smarter than me on this forum explain why the information gathered from the census cannot be gathered from all the other documents that Canadians have to fill out every year such as for EI, Corporate/personal Taxes, Driver's Licence, etc ? Every municipal / provincial and federal ministry in this Country has countless bits of information from Canadians just waiting to be sent to StatsCan for what would be the cost of a few stamps ( or less if using the governmental intranet ).At least on the language aspect, which seems to be the most vocal right now, StatsCan could easily find with 100% accuracy how many people speak english / french / other by looking at our Tax report every April.Conservatives like to spend money on useless programs that the libs dont like and the Libs like to spend money on programs that the Conservatives dont like. It is my personal opinion that this debate should be above the current Cons VS Libs diatribe ...


Catwoman 38
said

The real number one problem Canadians have is we have govt that wants to control the messaging, and only focus on their own secret ideological agenda.They are not listening to people, and they are ticking off low income families, first nations, middle class, students, womens groups, immigrants,and now business owners.On top of that not enough jobs are being created to keep people working.Without the deadline extension to the stimulus funds, now municipalities will suffer from the lack of jobs being created.We need an election, and let the people decide on who runs our country.


lamia
said

conservatives everywhere want less facts.. In Pakistan, in Canada. the story is the same. These people are against progress, because there is no money in progress. by spreading propaganda, and enslaving people.. the rich continue to stay rich. For decades these people uses religion, now they will use fear. the question is, will we let them?


syko
said

If the long form is so great then everyone should have to fill it out. Stats Canada must be fighting to remain needed and save jobs. It media keeps running this over and over again. Why? Only the social engineers care about the long form.


skhan
said

In the age of information.. where data is king, I can not fathom the conservatives or the comments above.

How many 'Bloggers' and commenters did the cons hire to make it seem like Canadians are becoming more and more right wing, when the polls suggest otherwise?


Debbie
said

This is not just about appealing to the Tories' electoral base: It's about creating a political reality in which Harper could (continue to) make pronouncements about the need for more jails, less public housing, fewer transfers to provinces for health care, etc., etc. and in which citizens, minicipalities, provinces, charities, etc., could not refute his claims because there would be no credible StatsCan evidence available. Further, if a province or charity conducted its own survey to counter Harper's pronouncements or to obtain good statistics on which to base policy, etc., Harper could simply say that such evidence is not official StatsCan evidence and is therefore of no merit. Catch 22. Canadians need democratic government not a quasi dictatorship channelling 1984.


happy
said

The Conservatives and their ilk don't need the census data because they have already made up their own "facts" and "data". They have never let the truth stand in their way before! They've been caught in so many lies already it's all we can expect from them in the future.


fred
said

scrap the long forms already (long is the word here) they are way way too long whoever created this format should be fired or should have been fired long ago.


Wilbur
said

I applaud the Harper government for recognizing tthe fact that we the folks don't want to be forced by law to disclose all of our personal information that the government decides it wants.With all the rioting in the streets over this issue it seems I may be in the minority though.


Joanne
said

The Conservatives aren't scrapping the long form census they are just making it voluntary. This will mean it is more expensive because it has to be sent out to more people. It also makes it next to useless as the people who fill it out won't necessarily representative of our society. So we are going to be spending more money for useless information. Better to just scrap it all together.


RGOttawa
said

You need well researched facts to make good decisions, if you don't know anything about the people you are governing how can you expect to govern properly. Giving up the long form census is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, and is probably the single worst thing I could expect any government to do for the country, in the short and long term. I've voted conservative at every federal election since I became eligible at 18. I'm absolutely embarrassed now, and as long as they continue with this I nor my family will vote Conservative. I can't stand the liberals so I don't know what I'm going to do.


Steve O
said

On the Census issue, ordinary Canadians have to realize that when this data becomes unreliable which it will under the Stephen Harper Party's scheme, it will negatively impact funding levels for all organizations and even federal transfer payments. The Conservatives will impose this to keep Canadians in the dark about critically required and accurate data and this will allow for them to go on a pork barrelling frenzy with Conservative, Reform and right wing ideological groups only....look at what they did to the internationally respected Rights and Democracy....they will now do this on a national scale and this will destroy our Canada as we know it now, every aspect and sector of Canada will feel the negative impacts.


Senior Taxpayer
said

I for one am tired of paying people to probe the private lives of Canadians. One of the few things that Trudeau said that I could approve of was that governments have no place in the bedrooms of the people. Let's get rid of redundant civil servants and spend the money on essential services. I for one am absolutely delighted with the decision. Let those who "need" this info pay their own way to get it and not use public money.


David A. Kelly
said

Some people may feel that important groups of society would no longer submit a purely voluntary questionnaire. They should consider that we have a significant fraction of our population that are homeless or not living at a fixed address who currently are left out of the mandatory census. Ironically, these are the people who consume a disproportionate share of public services, and who are most in need of greater attention. They are already not counted.


MayKayBlack
said

I filled out the long form 10 years ago, doing my best to answer the questions honestly. Some ex-military man showed up at my door, wasted about an hour and a half of my time going over some of the questions. Some he reviewed for his own jollies (wanted to know why I'd answered that way) and some he didn't like my answer so changed to agree to my neigbhour even though it was WRONG. How useful can that possibly have been? I say scrap the long-form census altogether.


charlie
said

"Scrapping the long form census will have effects on Stats Can" - like reducing the number of bureaucrats among other things. Is this the main point of concern - perhaps not the main one, but certainly one of the top items, I wager. The long form census, passenger rail travel, hand-written letters, kerosene lamps, am radio = things time and technology have passed by.


peter
said

You are so right OX!So many agencies and companies rely on that data and scrapping it would certainly impact them in a very negative way.


DLM
said

Why not send the stupid census to everyone, if you agree with it then fill it out, if you don't support it then dont fill it out, it should not be mandatory to release information regarding your private life.... Too bad for the groups that want the information, Im not comfortable with it so back off.


LDL in ONT
said

Enough already ! Since when did Civil Servants become Rock Stars ? To answer my own question. When they see an opportunity to get their "15 minutes" and when they have a willing media ready to gobble it up !


W
said

As an employee of PHAC in the area of surveillance, I certainly see the adverse effects of not having the mandatory Census. How do you expect us to perform our jobs if we do not have the health info we need to effectively monitor the country?Does this minor inconvenience REALLY outweigh the enormous benefits that come from it?You'd think with all the health awareness there is in this day and age, we'd be smarter than this.


Troglogyte
said

Census questions are submitted by census users (a lot of other government agencies) and approved by Cabinet - essentially, the Minister. Statscan collects the data. If the questions are deemed offensive by some respondents with a limited sense of social responsibility, their issue is with the politicians - not Statscan. Why do we send people to school if they don't learn to read?


MRC in Ontario
said

Numerous stories published only a few weeks ago continually stated that StatsCan gave the government more than 1 option for change that are all STATISTICALLY VALID and included the one the government picked, the new census form that many people are squawking about. So it is.

And, as others have pointed out, only 20% (ONE-FIFTH) of the country was required to fill out the old long-form...so what is all the squawking about again?? I wouldn't call a 1/5 sample of your population statistically reliable. And want to bet that where the long-forms were sent wasn't very random?...


Prof. Danny Dinosaur
said

Prof. Pye Chart, your hypocrisy is astounding - again. In the start of your lecture you refer to the credibility of Mr. Sheik in your characteristic condescending style. But yet, Mr Sheik has shown himself to be a person who would not compromise on his standards or ideals of providing strong information. He has said nothing political or even been remotely close to political. Yet you espouse to to be libertarian and not tied to any political party and you are constantly regurgitating the speaking points of the Cons? You are making things up about Mr. Sheik and once again stating them like they are facts. You are the one who lacks any sort of integrity - not Mr. Sheik. Further in your lecture you complain of the lack of information the egg heads have. I assume an egg head is anyone who does not share your tainted opinion. Yet you support a move that will limit information? As for usage of the information the current problem is that we have a government in Ottawa that does not use information and as a result they rely on things such as unreported statistics on crime. Imagine what lies they can tell us when there are no facts available to keep them in check? The harsh truth Prof Pye Chart is that you will blindly support the political ideas of this government no matter how much they might compromise your own common sense.


Counting-Don
said

So what is it with the Looney Left and their basic desire to ‘Force’ the public to do their bidding. They seem to desperately clutch to the ‘big stick’ method to get anything done. Are they just insecure and silly little mice? Anyway, it seems pretty simple. Make the long form voluntary and you have much higher probability the information is accurate because the person wants to disclose it. Or continue with threats of compliance (or else) and people like me make a point of putting in misinformation which makes the data less accurate. Very simple concept and since it is so simple I am surprise the Simpleton Lefties don’t see it. Curious….


Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
said

I am tempted to use an economists term - "externality" because I think it is one our prime minister might understand when he imposes one of these government policy changes designed to energize his electoral base at the expense of the people who didn't vote for him.This census issue however is seemingly mobilising everyone outside his base and mobilising sections of his own base to move themselves to the undecided column.He may want to blame other things for his recent drop in public support such as the G20 fiasco and job losses but the census issue is the one penetrating a diverse set of demographics for obvious reasons.He's gotta know this.


Capital Preservation
said

Harper cannot handle the TRUTH! Stats Can is an established institution entity. Current statistical data hurts the conservative bottom line of re-election. There are many issues that they do not want to address. This is a strategic move to dumb down accurate data for their continued control.


Bryan
said

I don't understand why people think they are all of a sudden experts on data, survey's, and politics all of sudden. If you don't understand what the data is used for, don't question the usefulness of the long form. Many of the people on here quiping about this are too busy watching TV....hours and hours of TV every week....yet can't spare an extra hour of your time once every 15 years to help provide your country (that you clain to love) with a clearer understanding of it's people. The key thing to take from all of this is that Tony Clement and the Conservative government is forcing experts on data to degrade the value of the census and all decisions based on it's data, and they tried to make Statscan take the blame for it, and they LIED about it. I'm guessing that not many people at Statscan will be voting Conservative ever again.


Raul
said

So much is riding in this census form. I hope it's enough to go to an election. The Connies are just scrapping it so that we have no way of tracking their wrong doing during their reign of terror. No data means that we have no data to prove all the bad decisions this government has made. I'm an analyst... I rely on data and I find it sad and pathetic that the Connies want to get rid of it. I applaud the head of StatsCan for quitting. Nobody wants bloody hands for someone elses murder.


tryon
said

Harper is to be commended. Quite beyond the census issue, Statscan is running all kinds of surveys, 24/7, 365 days a year, and all of them mandatory. If they ever catch you in their random meshes with one of these six month long inquisitions, you'll start to appreciate a government that wants to pull in their statist horns.


your all a bunch of cry babies
said

Wow all you cry babies... waaa the census is too long, the census is obtrusive. I'n the past 15 years I've been asked to complete that survey ONCE. It's the luck of the draw, and a 1 in 5 chance isn't bad. Nor is the 20 to 30 minutes to fill it out, nor the questions over the top invasive.

Only morons think what StatsCAN does is silly and a waste of time. The information they provide is the foundation for almost every service provided by the government be it health, educational, taxation, you name it. Without an accurate broad range of replies things in this country WILL take a turn because an accurate representation of the population will not be available.

Funny, if this goes through things will have a very negative impact on Canadians lives. And all you idiots that wanted the long formed scrapped will reap the whirlwind.


Chuck
said

Its clear that the mandatory census is required to prevent bias (unbalanced response). What will likely happen here is that the mandatory census will be scrapped and when Stats Canada gets around to analyzing the 2011 census data, the results will show that there are unpredictable trend changes that could only be due to bias problems. We will then to go back to the mandatory census with the 2011 census results being discarded.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Further to my previous comment, it should also be noted that the whining of a self-interested class of entrenched and selfishly entitled bureaucrats and private-sector users does not constitute a legitimate and genuine reason to refrain from altering or abandoning the long-form census, for said individuals, with their receiving hands frozen outward, are merely "upset" that their free informational candy might be taken away. Boo-hoo. Of course they want to maintain the status quo, and not be forced to obtain any needed and useful information via the commercial avenues of the private sector. Who wants to pay for something that, heretofore, has been a simple government hand-out? As for the program engineers in public service who claim that they can't sail their ships and distribute their cargo of taxpayer funds without the available assortment of vague and silly informational tidbits, nobody, really, but the naive and gullible socialists in the national crowd believe that the long-form census is any "key" to your efficient and effective benevolence.

Jim in Ottawa
said

Firstly, those saying that nobody has been charged for failing to fill out the census have it wrong. Todd Stelmach of Kingston for example objected to filling out the census on the grounds of his personal conscience. His story can be found throughout the Worldwide Web. Secondly, many democracies including the UK, Sweden, Slovenia and others have ended census taking in the traditional sense as presented by Statistics Canada. The sky has not fallen in any of those countries, their governments are still stable and continue to function normally, and there have been no protests in the streets demanding the return of the census. I am amazed at how both the government, the opposition, StatsCan, and media have taken the most boring subject in the world and turned it into a circus.


Colin
said

Some basic facts people need to understand in order to have a rational debate about this:1) Sample size is not the issue, a sample can be representative to mathematically calculable degrees provided the sample is random - that is the key. A mandatory survey provides a random sample, a voluntary survey, because certain groups systemically have lower response rates, skews the sample and it is not random.2) The above is simultaneously the reason scrapping the mandatory census ruins the census itself, and also why it has consequences for other surveys - they use the census data to weight their sample to get rid of the bias3) To say that certain groups have systematically lower response rates is not to say this occurs because they are a part of those groups. Correlation does not equal causation4) Personal information is not being divulged to the state because privacy is completed protected, a form is filled out that is for all intents and purposes anonymous - it is not the data on YOU, it is one data point in an aggregate set. The state gains no knowledge about YOU personally, only about Canadians as a whole, or in certain groups.


Kevin in Vancouver
said

The poster who mentions that the census has become a duplication of service in the information age hit the nail on the head.Computerized records will allow the government to compile all the information they require through other sources. Revenue Canada can share it's information easily with other branches of the government as can educational Institutions and even religous organizations. The redundant service is the census. As illustrated perfectly by the comment from "A Researcher"Point 1. This information is available through the records of the post secondary Institutions.Point 2. This information is available through Revenue Canada's records.Point3. Same as 1Point 4. Same as 2Finally I heard the most rediculous comment from a save the census expert this morning. She implied that as an example a small group of French Canadians living in an English community would suffer a loss of services if they failed to fill out the census. How tragic but the solution is simple fill out the voluntary form if you are a special interest group!!!!Gheez. Whats next...Save analog television!!!!!


mikec
said

this long form has been given to marketers in the past and just about every large charity, it is not needed , and if the opp is so right about how many canadians want this then the cons are right and these forms will be sent in by every one. and yes i have filled out the form under threat of jail i wore the uniform of this country .it almost cost me my life, then some one comes along and says to me you must give us all this private info OR GO TO JAIL . Here i thought i wore that uniforme to pervent just that.


Ron
said

Prof. Pye Chartt:If you indeed a professor, which I doubt, I pity your students.


Gord
said

This is a moot point. Liberals trying to get traction on a non-issue.We all know someone who did not fill the mandatory form. There were no consequences. I believe that there hasn't been any prosecutions for non-compliance. The statistics have always been considered valid in the past. Changing it to a voluntary approach changes nothing in terms of the quality of information gathered.There is only an academic difference and it is not observed in practice. Thus, their point is invalid.


Larry in Winnipeg
said

Let me see - all the fuss is over whether or not people should go to jail if they don't fill in the long form census. Sounds like a no-brainer to me. Why should we threaten jail time if a person doesn't allow his privacy to be invaded ? Who says Stats Canada has a right to know someone's personal information ? More importantly, all the tall forehead people who say they have to have this information are missing a key point. It is a whole lot more likely that you will receive accurate info from a voluntary reponse. You may be able to force someone to respond to the long form, but you have no way to make them tell the truth. Or perhaps they would like to take it a step futher and have the RCMP investigate and confirm the information - then they could prosecute for perjury if someone lies. I can see a significant percentage of coerced Canadians filling in the form with imaginative answers. So how good is the data anyway ?


dean in NL
said

he quit for the agencies reputation. hummmm, not many people can quit a high paying job on "principle" leads me to believe he either had a soft spot to land lined up or a golden parachute of some kind. the i stand by my principles line just doesnt seem to wash. was he a liebral appointee by any chance? much like iggy just museing out loud.


Dave in Courtenay
said

Private polling companies call 1000 Canadians randomly and ask for their voluntary opinion , and the results are quoted as a statistically sound measure of public sentiment. The government asks 7,000,000 Canadians to voluntarily express information and we are told we can't rely on the results. Something is statistically wrong with this picture.


dumb down society
said

This information needs to be gathered in a manditory fashion. Voluntary applications will only gather information from people with a whole alot of time and usually an older richer crowd. This governments position is based on gut feeling only, which states to me that they want to dumb down society. Its much easier to control stats with a voluntary method and ultimately produces inferior quality of data. We are global leaders of stats so why change. RE-THINK alberta!!!


Matty from Guelph
said

Disregarding the advice of statisticians on this issue is exactly like disregarding your doctor's advice on health issues. Where is the respect for math and statistics in this country? This decision is an attack on science. And for those people who say that their privacy is being threatened by the census... give me a break. The questions are not THAT intrusive. Shouldn't it concern you more that your government has lied to you in order to justify blowing another $30 million on these changes?There is a reason that so many organizations are deadset against this idea. The fact that no one in government will listen shows exactly how "in touch with Canadians" they are. Laughable.


Julio
said

Wow!!!!!!! I can't believe this is an issue... why don't some of you socialists get this upset when they take away some of your rights... Just the fact that this has garnered this much attention, tells me that joe average Canadian may just gain something from this... how could it not be; all the academics are really upset!!!!!!


Linda
said

Have we fallen so far from grace that an honorable man making a principled decision has become something to be mocked? I occassionally Prof Pye Chart's comments, but I have to say that this time you are dead wrong Pye. Sheikh kept the faith, and Clement broke the faith. Doesn't that matter to you?


Bob in Ottawa
said

It is really to bad that people believe lock stock and barrel what this Gov't is selling. I assure you folks it could be well used in your Gardens.Other Nations that had scrapped mandatory long forms in their Census found they got a very dismal return. Making it virtually useless to use.Keep it and suck it up. It really is to your benefit.


Geoff in Lethbridge
said

The Conservatives have this bull-headedness. If they make a mistake, they would rather gather more ill will and scorn by sticking to their decision than to admit that, as human beings, they are fallible and reverse course. At this point, admitting error and changing their minds would earn them some respect but a lot less respect than if they'd hesitated at the first warnings about the decision.


Jacob Lau
said

When did the CTV comment section become such a hotbed for right-wing ideologues and propaganda? Also, the quote "will not provide useful data" that Sheikh was suppose to say was "suggested" by Conservative government. I say that very sarcastically. Do we need anymore examples of this Government being manipulative and out of line?


adam
said

It will have broad impact on personal privacy too!


Mugzy from little ol' PEI
said

It seems that the vast majority of Canadians agree with the Cons policy on this issue. Those of us who choose to submit additional data can do so, and those of us who are more private or do not want to participate can not. This bureaucrat needs to learn his place in the Canadian public administration system and execute the will of Government, not shape and create policy through appealing to the media. I do find it odd though, that this census information benefits business a great deal and yet the Cons have taken the side of the people, while the left seems to be promoting business interests. Its great when both public opinion and the publics best interest align, and I hope the Cons get this one done before the next election.


Steve
said

Unfortunate that Canada, who has been a leader in statistical integrity, is taking a hugely regressive step. Pundits who argue that non-sample bias can be made up by oversampling just don't get it. The US has already been down this road, reversing their position as they found "voluntary compliance" to be more expensive in the long-run. I'm surprised that the Tories would fall on their sword over this issue...


Havelock Heavy
said

Dear Messrs Harper and Clement, Many reputable organizations and individuals are telling you it was a bad decision, your own senior public servants were telling you the same thing. Why don't you just admit that it was the wrong thing to do and reinstate the long form.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

The credibility of Mr. Sheikh went out the window when the ranking civil servant made the foolish and unproductive decision to throw a bureaucratic governmental hissy fit and demonstrate that his political perspective was more important than his job. (Good riddance.) The mindless telling of Canadians, over and over, that we desperately "need" the long-form census because various agencies and assorted special interests "rely" on it has already become a vacuous and laughable argument utterly devoid of intelligent analysis and supportive fact. Up to this advanced point, NOBODY in the public or private realm (including those in media) has been able to articulate, specifically, the importance of specific information. Instead, we've been forced to listen to a wayward bunch of eggheads deliver empty condescending lectures centered on the fatuous notion that we're all just too dumb to grasp the issue. Nonsense. (Nice try.) The long-form census is nothing but a governmental "tradition" that, in the Information Age, has lost its true statistical value.

Peter
said

"What in the world is all the fuss about. If only 20 per cent of the people fill out the long form, it seems to me that hardly gives much of a picture."

Nope, 20% of people, chosen at random, will give a highly accurate picture of the population. When you're dealing with 34 million people, getting information from 7 million is enough.

However, this only works if the survey is mandatory. Otherwise, one group of people might fill out the forms at a higher rate than others. Then, you get an inaccurate picture about the makeup of your population. Like, say, Albertans might tend to mistrust the government more, so the government would have a skewed view of their income levels, health, commuting habits, whatever. Then the government plans their services poorly or inadequately.


Mustafa
said

All Con Supporters need to be objective in their thoughts.

The reality is that there has been NO ONE JAILED for not filling out the Long census form till date and the idea of changing this stemmed from ONE or TWO MP's who perhaps had to fill out the form and found it useless given their race, status (financial or professional etc.)

For some groups who are not relying on Government funding or programs stats can do only so much but for others it could make a huge difference to ensure Government funds are being routed to the right places/departments.


Randy
said

Putting a muzzle on this guy Munir is what should be mandatory. I'm growing tired of this census stuff and this guy Munir who took his football and went home when he didn't like the rules. You left, now move on and keep quiet.


kenneth
said

The americans say " remember he Alamo". Canadians should say remember Diefenbaker who sold out Canada with the ARROW aircraft.Canada could have been the riches country in the world at that time and perhaps even today(with the proper political party).
Is it not the same political party as Harper's or a name change somewhere a long the way?
My, how the past reappears.


Mahir Haque
said

To anyone who has any idea about statistics knows when that when you make a survey voluntary, this causes bias in the data. i.e only people who care about the statistics will respond, leaving the wholly large subset of people who don't care about it but are never-the-less important to the overall conclusion drawn from the statistics. Also the survey need not be performed on every single individual ie 100% of Canada's population, rather on a select few from every single demographic and sector. then only will the data be unbiased.
These statistics are necessary and should be performed by the government who have the means and methods in place. What the Harper gov't is doing is against basic principles in Statistics and truly ignorant in my perception. The data collected by stats Canada is a way we track our economy, the health care system, education etc etc. truly we have avoided many epidemics such as SARS and the swine flu due to the reliability of StatsCan's data. Not so the case anymore.


Pete The Guy
said

Nice to see the followers of the fear mongering Fox News serial misinformer Glenn Beck crowd has made it into our census business. These are the same idiots who complain we do not know enough about the demographics of our country. Quick don't look now! It's a census taker with tickets to a FEMA prison camp.


Mead
said

Stats-Can has been forcing people into giving up personal data in exchange of no jail time.How can extortion lead to accurate data for Stats-Can?Lets call a spade a spade, and extortion is extortion. Give Stats-Can all the data they want and you don't have to go to jail. How does this relate to Canada's Constitution?


James
said

Let me get this straight. On the one side we have a public servant who would rather resign his post than comprimise his principles, and on the other side we have an elected official who out-and-out lied yet carries on as though nothing happened. Doesn't that tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about this story? As I teach my children, if you don't have the conviction to take the heat for your decisions, perhaps they aren't the right decisions. From what I can see, Sheikh's actions are far more honorable than Clement's, and therefore I have more faith in his opinion and version of the story.


Marcel
said

Why do government employee receive so much attention? His leaving this post is simply a publicity step, for his entrance into politics as a member of the opposition party.


allan
said

It is a sad sign of the times when lowly:silly-servants" get so much press time. Only the media, the liberals, and "silly-servants" care about this because it is self serving. We have Afgjhanistan, a fragil economy, helth concerns, etc., to think about, not wasting time on such trivia.


good morning
said

I'm 100% with the Tories on this one. We are a society based on the ideas of supply and demand, and should be one based on a caring - community - concept. I have nothing against stats., but market researchers should pay for it and anything private should be given on a voluntary bases.


A researcher
said

I am a researcher and these are some of the important policy questions I have investigated with with census data:

(1) How many people from different racialized groups have post-secondary education?
(2) How does gender affect income (and education)?
(3) What is education participation by region and province?
(4) How does income change by age?


Often these are basic questions that GOVERNMENT asks when it is making decisions about funding education or determining social policy. Otherwise You are just guessing or making decisions based on opinion and ideology.


Marg Bedore
said

Harper wants to control all the information so his Harrisites can lie like Clements did. They can tell us what they want and there will be no check on the facts.


Mark - Fort Erie Ont
said

Hmmmm.....This sounds like it may save the tax payer a few hundred million or so. The beureaucrats are freakin' out - there goes a gold mine for them....


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

Scrapping long form census will have broad impact on stats can. ?? Many people who have filled out the mandatory long form have stated they lied on the form. The long form is not being dropped but will now be voluntary. It would seem to me that if a number of people were filling in the long form before with wrong information , that would have had an impact on the stats that stats can put out.This seems to prove that the voluntary form will be more useful.I have filled out the long form several times and the government does not need and should not be asking many of the questions that they ask.Enough about this issue lets deal with important things like the economy !


NS
said

Stats Canada was an overbearing govt bully. And they cannot even do basic calculations such as unemployment rate with summer educators taking there vacations. They needed an overhaul.


HTC
said

Nobody cares.

There has to be serious news out there that needs to be reported on. Why is the media devoting so much attention to this stupid issue?


nolan
said

I agree you do need a good sample for information. I know the questions on there are intrusive and appear to be useless. What i have found is not to give a negative incentives but positive incentives, that way people are more inclined to fill out truthful information. The key is we cannot force someone to fill it out. Give incentives such as a tax rebate on your tax form. Unfortunately the opposition has run and made this political while it is not.


art
said

This is just the conservatives trying to hide the truth. Almost all decisions made by government rely on the information statscan collects. Without statistically correct data the conservatives are able to make whatever claims they wish and nobody will be able to dispute them. For example, the conservatives want us to believe that crime is the worst it has ever been when the collected data indicate that it has been on a general decline for decades.


shockeymoe
said

I agree with OX.
Having personally worked for statistics canada on both the census as well as other surveys, it galls me to read such shallow ignorance from my fellow Canadians.
I don't expect each commenter here to know the depth of the work performed by the statscan organization, but assuming it is just a money pit is blindly stupid. Our ability to be reasonably accurate in describing our population to the rest of the world has far reaching economic consequences. The long form underpins the credibility of the data. Everyone hears the employment statistics regularly reported and we all believe what we hear. I for one, will doubt its accuracy after the change. It is a domino affect. Once the foundation turns to mud, the house soon slides away.
Clements is a lying puppet. Lucky for him nobody expects any integrity from ANY politian anymore. Thanks Steven. I will never shake your hand again.


Doug On
said

Watching the interwiew this morning I wonder why the gentleman was not asked how they screwed up the jobs lost data by including education workers on summer break in their numbers. I guess the national media would not rain on the parade of this perfect public organization. One other point; I wonder if a Conservative member had implied that immigrants and the disadvantaged were less likely to to do the right thing without penalties, as liberals have, what the reaction would have been.


GHW
said

In my experience there are many people in our society that thrive on data and processes with no clear vision of the bottom-line goal. The small amount of usefulness these partially accurate long forms provide is not worth it. The government’s job is to serve the public interest without overly meddling in the public’s lives. I salute the Conservatives on this move. Now if they could only get rid of the long gun registry I’d be a happy camper.


Wes Saskatoon
said

Is the whining about the census going on forever?Let's get over it.


Max in BC
said

So many critics to monitor every step the government takes. OK, the man resigned and already has another job. Sounds like sour grapes from him at this point. Personally, I have filled out the long census form and if a question was asked that I didn't want to answer, I filled incorrect information. So, how reliable was that. It was an intrusion on my privacy and I felt justified in not answering the questions I didn't like. Really, a lot to do about nothing as far as I'm concerned. The opposition and CBC just need something to complain about to gain attention. Get's rather boring after a while.


Angus Magee
said

The only complainers about this issue are the statisticians who are afraid of losing there jobs and those who like having their fellow human forced at the threat of incarceration to divulged intimate details of their live so that the govt and big business can prosper. Why dont they drop the prison term and pay people to take the long form then they will have people lining up?


CYL
said

I am happy about the scrapping of census. Those who oppose are the ones who are losing their jobs.


Michelle
said

i agree with denise "virtually useless because such groups..." ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? 1st of all the govy doesnt listen to low income or aborigianl ppl, because hey what do we know, we only want the govts money so we dont have to work, right??? the govt will only listen to ppl with money anyways. so why should we waste our time filling out a useless form that the govt isnt gonna listen to anyways??? the only reason why we do this "cenus" is because the govt wants to make it look like they are involved in "creating a better life for canadians" the govt is useless and so are the cenus forms.


Danny Dinosaur
said

The Con propaganda continues. I really wish the Cons would stop presenting their information like it is fact and that everyone agrees with them. It seems to be the new messaging track from the PMO. Get it straight. A relatively small minority of Canadians agree with you. You are in the status of special interest group (less than 30% of Canadians) that is trying to pretend that your ideas are mainstream. Most Canadians do not live in fear and most are quite willing to provide information for the use of creating a stronger country. It is a totally manufactured pack of lies to back up a bad decision. The moral compass is gone.


Ron
said

I've listened to these so-called experts talk about the data becoming 'useless'. So far, I haven't heard a quantification of the amount of difference in quality.

One university stats prof trotted out on national media talked about how lower income Canadians would be less likely to respond accurately to questions on income, and provided a stat that they would over estimate their income by a factor of 2.

He acknowledged the information was already readily available from tax information. So, why are we gathering the information in the Census?

He would not confirm whether the long firm gathering of the information was accurate when compared to the tax information.

So, basically, his argument was that we should keep the long form to gather information that StatsCan already has but which may, or may not, be accurate in the first place.

I'm so convinced this is a compelling reason to attack Canadian's privacy.

People should realize that voluntary stats gathering is how most information is gathered. You don't hear Angus Reid or EKOS, etc. stating that their 'polls' are 'worthless'. Instead they'll claim accuracy to within a percentage (e.g. 1%) 19 times out of 20. In other words: we believe our numbers are accurate.

The Canadian Government should balance right to privacy against the value of good statistical gathering.

I haven't seen anyone discuss the potential improvement in statistical quality if an incentive was offered to fill in the form, as opposed to coercion (e.g. how about a tax break vs. sending me to jail)?


oddie
said

we do not need the long census when you fill your taxes every year is all they need.
The government already knows all about you.
munir Sheikh should be happy he has a job --lots of Canadians born here do not have one


mark palmer
said

Hopefully we can get rid of wasteful beaurocrats and the entire Stats-Can office while we're at it. We need LESS government, not more.


SDC in Nova Scotia
said

Why do we believe Canadians are only honest when you threaten them with fines and jail?


Lz in Edmonton
said

Would the people who want the long census form please explain what exactly they want to know? I have yet to hear one collective arguement other than,"we need it" or "its important???" I've filled out the long census form before and really, governments only need the short form to get any type of social and or economic information they need for policy. The rest of it seems to be for selling or posterity. The now retired head of stats-Can can go get another job or perhaps he would want to go door to door and get the information himself.


Ox
said

haha wow.. the comments on here are some of the most unintelligent, unenglightened statements I've ever read.

None of you obviously understand how statistics works. When was the last time you took a post secondary stats course? You all seem to be experts so I assume you're working on your MA or PhD?

This is simply a government that doesn't rule on logic or rational thought but rather fear and threats, attempting to destroy and institution based on math. Because unlike the Alliance, math doesn't play politics with our lives.


Edb(Hamilton)
said

Well played Mr. Clement et al,A very subtle and effective method of slowly and systematically dismantling 30 years of Liberal intrusion and big government....starve the beast!!!


chevymo
said

Simple logic indicates that the onus for responsible, targetted, verifiable, data collection should be at the source - the agency or group requesting government service or funding.

The detailed data required from any specific goup is already being collected from the relevant groups by means of every person's application for service, which when compiled provides the necessary target group 'profile'. The agencies performance in responding to requests for service is the more important benchmark to consider.

This is the information that should be submitted to the government - not collected randomly by the government.

The massive data collection benchmarking suggested here by Stats Can is unreliable, unfocused, redundant, intrusive and expensive.

If any special interest wants funding - let them justify their claim by demonstrating the need and their performance in meeting the need.

Government should respond to demonstrated social need - not try to define it by means of an unreliable census.

The long form census exercise is nothing more than a redundant 'job creation project' It needs to be elliminated in favour of shifting the responsibility to where it belongs, with those requesting funding.

Special interest needs to prove there is a need, show us how they have met it in the past and why they need increased funding.

Everybody wants transparency and accountibility from the government - that would begin with those receiving government funding.

Productivity - including government productivity - can only be increased by effectively doing more with fewer services and re-adusting the processes in place.

The 'old way' is never necessarily the best way.

Think. It's your money being wasted. We, the people, create the wealth in this country and we need to ensure that it is being managed wisely by our government.




JFJ
said

Is hysteria quantifiable?


Frank Buchan
said

I always hated the long-form census because it asked too many unnecessary questions, and the short-form needs a revamp too. Anyone who asks my religious affiliation is overstepping necessary into the realm of irrelevant, since the point of the census was to manage public services, and there is a fairly reasonable separation between church and state. All they actually need to know are the answers to questions affecting service provision, and by law should be limited to that -- and then should have an independent committee to determine the validity of new requests.


Kevin
said

Statistics is an advanced science and procedures for obtaining reliable data are well established. A sample of even a few percent is enough to get a picture of the population if--and this is a big if--the sample includes all groups equally. If some groups are under-repesented, then you get a distorted picture. Including only volunteers will get a picture that is distorted in ways that are impossible to identify, making the data much less useful. It's not a question of what the government knows--the data in aggregate are used by lots of people.


simon
said

Just SCRAP IT! If the data is not required, scrap it! As simple as that. Why waste time and money collecting unreliable data?


Albertan
said

The Harper Government claims that they are scrapping the mandatory long census because Canadians find it too intrusive - HOWEVER during the 2006 census, StatsCan received only 22 complaints about the intrusiveness of the census. Many of these concerns were resolved by explaining how the data are used.

This Government randomly stopped, searched, and arrested hundreds during the Toronto G-20, many who were tourists or just stuck in a crowd of people. That seems pretty intrusive to me!! More expensive, dangerous, and intrusive, and much more "BIG GOVERNMENT" than a getting good quality data to know our own country's demographics.

ADDITIONALLY - The short form census is still mandatory!! They have not removed the threat of jail time. On top of that, no one has ever gone to jail for not filling out the census. it's more like a parking ticket.

AND THEN - Making the census voluntary and sending it to more household is going to cost millions MORE, not less. That MORE government, MORE taxdollars, for something less that 25 people complained about.

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? DOES THE GOV'T THINK WE ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS?


TE in BC
said

Apparently StatsCan has gotten something like 6 complaints about filling out the long form census in the past decade. Another manufactured crisis by the Harper machine to take our eyes away from the oil sands pollution, and billion dollar boondoggles. Untendered contracts? Ask Harper! Single-source US military contracts? Harper's your Con! Really another official move toward crippling our scientists and moving toward fear-based governance (make more prisons for unreported crime!). Throw the bums out I says.


TEA in SK
said

Oh my god, we might have to get by with LESS government!


Brian Fr Labgley
said

Having had to complete a long form census I was personally out raged at the time. It just seemed unCanadian to be given NO choice to answer questions I did NOT want to answer, and having to spend alot of time I did NOT want to spend. To call their measures coercive is an understatement, they WILL threaten you will jail and they WILL question your patriotism if you object. UnCanadian. Get rid of it.


djm
said

The change is predicted to cost $30 million more than the old mandatory version, and it will damage all of the surveys that StatsCan does.

What is wrong with Harper that he wants to throw away money like this over a non-issue?


Dean in Abby
said

The problem with making something voluntary is that most people won't. Companies will rarely follow voluntary guidelines, most people won't volunteer to do anything etc. I can't disagree with the poster who said to get polling companies to do research though. Certainly keeps government jobs down. What the heck did all of those people actually do anyway? If it was good work, what did it accomplish after each successive gov't put their own spin on the actual findings?


5th Generation Canadian
said

It appears that facts no longer trump fiction for our government. As Mr. Harper so bluntly advised his grass roots supporters some time ago, we should go with our "gut feelings" rather than depend on the detailed gathering of facts and analysis by experts and professionals in each field. Are we too stupid to be frightened that the "leader"of this nation would hold such a belief? Or, does he actually believe it?


Jimmy
said

What's the big deal? Is anyone really naive enough to believe that just because a government form was "mandatory", that people would fill it out only out of fear that they would be prosecuted of they did not? What a joke. I've been a police officer for over 18 years and never heard of one such prosecution. And more importantly, just what information is the gov't scrapping? More meaningless data that affects a very small minority?


Steve in Manotick
said

As I follow this whole mess I get more and more disgusted with the ethics or lack there of from this excuse for a governement. Its seems to me and hopefully other Canadians this Gov't seems to be attempting to eradicate all forms of correct information so they can create their to fit their means.. The new census will now cost more than 30 million dollars over the old mandatory form. Why is it we must put up with this meglomanic spending to further their own agenda. Never before have I seen such waste in Gov't. The liberals weren't perfect but are far cry better even with thier leader than the present regieme. Mr Harper and gang have only one priority and that is a majority so they can rule Canada with an Iron Fist. New Prison, end of Prison Farms, end of Cencus, end of focus groups, Brankrupting the country..


Joe Szentirmay
said

More freedom through less government. I applaud the Conservatives for eliminating the mandatory census form!


Bruno
said

The Cons don't want facts, this only works against their ideology. What a sad time for Canada.


Denise
said

"...experts say the data will be virtually useless because some groups -- such as aboriginals and low-income Canadians -- will be less likely to respond to a voluntary survey"Are they trying to say that aboriginals and low-income Canadians only respond to a threat of jail time? Wow, way to stereotype already stereotyped people.


Jim
said

I have to wonder , 'Is this about statistics or saving gov't employee jobs".


Kerry Mark
said

A lot of people and organizations rely on Stats Can data. It's the way we track our economy , our health system, our likes and don't likes, our neighbourhoods, our education, our housing market, etc. It's also a good way to track how certain government decisions and policies affect us. More importantly it allows us to guage the pulse of our community. If you couldn't read or speak English there was always some friendly Canada census taker who would help fill out the form with you in your perfered language. It's a good service. The results are well worth the 20 minutes it takes for all of us to fill out that form. There are plenty of other stupid sevices they could scrap - I don't know why they want to touch this one.


bikerborz
said

Why can StatsCan not get it through its collective head that any Canadian that they do not NEED to know anything beyond a citizen's "name, rank, and serial number"? From all the comments that have been posted on this story, it appears that EVERYONE who has had to fill out the long form does indeed consider it an invasion of privacy, myself included. So, turn StatsCan over to the private sector, have them hire polling companies, and get the results that way!


lshauf
said

What in the world is all the fuss about. If only 20 per cent of the people fill out the long form, it seems to me that hardly gives much of a picture. If you were talking about half the population providing the information I could see there might be some important information missing. Isn't this MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING?


DC in AB
said

Munir Sheikh: Stop whining and enjoy your new job. The long form census was obtrusive, asked too many questions that either the government should already know, or has no business knowing. Worst of all, StatsCan would allegedly sell this information for profit.


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