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Minister of International Trade and Minister for the Asia-Pacific Gateway Stockwell Day and Conservative MP Denis Lebel hold a press conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday Aug. 3, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Stockwell Day is facing criticism after suggesting Ottawa should spend billions of dollars on new prisons.

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Treasury Board President Stockwell Day was supposed to discuss the Tories' plan to attack the deficit on Monday, but instead he told reporters that unreported crimes are on the rise and Canada's lower crime statistics are misleading.

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Minister of International Trade and Minister for the Asia-Pacific Gateway Stockwell Day and Conservative MP Denis Lebel hold a press conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday Aug. 3, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Stockwell Day is facing criticism after suggesting Ottawa should spend billions of dollars on new prisons.

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Minister of International Trade and Minister for the Asia-Pacific Gateway Stockwell Day and Conservative MP Denis Lebel hold a press conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday Aug. 3, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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"I'm saying one statistic of many that concerns us is the amount of crimes that go unreported. Those numbers are alarming and it shows that we can't take a liberal view to crime." If the crimes are unreported, how does he know what the number is?

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Day says new prisons needed for 'unreported crimes'

Date: Tue. Aug. 3 2010 10:50 PM ET

Stockwell Day is facing criticism after he suggested that Ottawa needs to spend billions of dollars on new prisons in order to lock up people who commit unreported crimes.

The president of the Treasury Board made the comments at a press conference on Tuesday, which centred on the Conservatives' plan to cut the federal deficit.

When asked by a reporter why the government intends to spend billions of dollars to expand the penitentiary system in the face of falling crime rates, Day replied: "People simply aren't reporting the same way they used to."

"I'm saying one statistic of many that concerns us is the amount of crimes that go unreported. Those numbers are alarming and it shows that we can't take a liberal view to crime."

The minister declined to cite specific evidence regarding the rise in unreported crime. Nor did he elaborate on the types of crime that are going unreported in larger numbers.

Later, a spokesperson for the minister of justice said that Day was speaking of Statistics Canada's General Social Survey. In 2009, it found that the proportion of crimes that are reported to police dropped slightly to 34 per cent, from 37 per cent in 2004.

Day also said that the government's "tough on crime agenda," which includes lengthier jail sentences, could produce "an up-tick in incarceration."

However, Statistics Canada last month that crime rates had declined by seven percent since 2007 and have been dropping continually for nearly two decades.

Criminal acts such as homicide and attempted murder, robbery and sexual assault are becoming less common, the report found.

In spite of such statistics, Day maintained that the Conservatives will plough ahead with proposed justice system reforms, including building new prisons, more mandatory sentences, longer jail times and abolishing "discount sentencing."

Liberal critic Mark Holland said the government was trying to find a reason to implement bad policy using fictional statistics. And he noted that reporting of sexual crimes has increased gradually, as stigma has eased.

On the other hand, if more criminal acts are indeed going unreported, Holland said it still wouldn't require more jail cells.

"You need prisons to lock up people who are not being charged?" he asked. "Unless you are suggesting throwing away habeas corpus and rounding up everybody who looks suspicious, it makes no sense."

New Democrat MP Don Davies said the Tories were embracing ideology and ignoring hard facts.

"Crime rates have been dropping steadily and consistently across categories for decades," he said. "So faced with those statistics, they turn to unreported crimes. Why in 2010 would you be less likely to report a crime than in 1980 or 1990?"

A StatsCan analyst said the most common reason people give for opting not to call police is because they believe an incident wasn't serious. Another two per cent of respondents said they feared revenge, and one per cent said they thought police could be biased.

With files from The Canadian Press

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brianp
said

They must of watched "Field of Dreams" too often, "If you build it they will come". Either that or the hidden statistics are from their own elected personnel LOL


Kevin H
said

Several years back, the Vancouver police department changed their policy and stopped investigating reported break and enters (except those currently in progress). Surprise, some people now don't bother to report thefts from their home or business. If reporting a B&E is pointless, imagine the decline in reports of less serious crimes. I suffered two minor thefts last month and didn't report either.



Jerry in Calgary
said

By building these badly needed prisons, less suspended sentences will be handed out by the courts and justice system. How many times have we heard of overcrowed jails and prisons which only goes to influence sentencing of many of these criminals, especially the hardended and repeat ones. I am sick and tired of hearing of long term sentences handed out only to have the prisoners released early to make room for others. LETS MAKE ROOM FOR ALL OF THEM. Build them and they will come..........


Herbert wyness
said

Could not have been said better, if do do the clown had said it.......


Laurie
said

Sorry, Mike, can't blame the Liberal Senate any longer. . . good ol' Stevie has stacked the Senate with his oen uneleted cronies.


Wendy
said

We desperately need to get rid of this government while were still allowed to vote. This is ridiculous, there is no way to get stats on unreported crime because it's not reported.


Allan Eizinas
said

If Stockwell Day was in the cabinet of a Conservative majority then he would be able to ram through legislation that would support his “unique” views and logic. Think about that possibility when you vote in the next federal election.


laurie
said

Oh, this is good! Imagine, build more prisons for crimes that go unreported -- in other words, we need empty prisons so, that, at least the cells are there for the criminals and the crimes that go reported. Duh?? I must be suffering from neoconitis! Hey, Stevie, you'd better put a muzzle on the Minister. This sounds like Police State planning. . . here comes Big Brother!


John
said

The most ironic part of this is that they used StatsCan statistics to prove their point that crime is unreported...media, p,lease pick up on that little gem

Also, abolishing StatsCan was originally part of the Rhino Party platform who tongue in cheek suggested that would get rid of unemploymnent





Steve
said

Day says new prisons needed for not reported? This is real good think, lets build more prisons & maybe people will report more crime, Harper should change the name of the party to the morons. Statistics show the crime rate in Canada has been on a general decline since 1991, the laws in [place when Harper came to power were working to reduce crime. Sound like Harper wants to change the laws to increase crime to fill his prisons. We need an election, he harps on about fiscal restraint then spends money like a drunken sailor on things we don't need.


Shelley, Kelowna, BC
said

And to think we actually pay your salary, Mr. Day, I would like to believe your mouth opened before thinking on this one.


rudyk
said

Whatever happened to work parties?! MoE has no budget to maintain trails and clean parks. Back in the day, EFry Society did a good job of facilitating this.
I believe (strongly)that when someone has been proven to have committed a crime, they need to pay society back. Not cost society more.
Which politician is pushing for this?


Mike R.
said

This is priceless. I had to double check to make sure I wasn't reading this off "The Onion" web site.


Cynthia Black
said

Yes, makes absolute sense. Build more prisons for unreported criminals committing unreported crimes, while the convicted criminals committing proven crimes get early release. Yup, makes perfect sense to me.


dandam
said

he wants to built a brand new prison for himself and his friends after we report all their crimes commited with our money?


rogervarley
said

In all my long life I don't think I've ever read a more despicable comment as this: "We also need to stop sending so many kids to foster houses, because that's where they really learn how to be criminals."
Where should children in need be sent, may I ask? The workhouse? And your comment is insufferably insulting to the thousands of caring and compassionate people out there who provide foster care.




raoulduke
said

We'd better start demanding hospitals for all the unreported illness, new schools for those unreported births, new roads for the unreported cars,and, and....

Wota maroon.


sean
said

The real issue is criminals aren't sentenced appropriately because there isn't enough space in jail, and hence we see people in an out of court on probation, or house arrest. If you are a victim of a crime and find out that the person who victimized you isn't getting an appropriate punishment, you will wonder what is the point, it seems only the victim has rights...I applaud the conservatives, and will gladly pay for more tax dollars for prisons.


jeanne
said

Very scary. I am thinking killing the long census and spending billions to house perpetrators of 'unreported' crimes is somehow connected. Why use hard data when you can use ideological conjecture and fear of the unknown to political advantage?


Jim
said

It is sometimes better to be quiet and have people think of you as an idiot.


griffin
said

I watched Stockwell Day on video. Honestly, I did not know whether to laugh or cry.

keith
said

Only Stockwell Day could pull this off


Mark, Vancouver
said

They are just getting ready to form a majority government and then they will bring in new rules and sentencing to fill these new prisons.Before you know it will be just like the USA and we will have privatized prisons. Then they will tell us that it will not cost the taxpayers a penny to lock everyone up.These guys are very dangerous


George in NB
said

If you build it, they will come


FTP
said

My favorite comment from a YouTube video on this:

"Conservatives are always lying, but a lot of their lying is unreported."


Tom in Ontario
said

How ironic that stats Canada is quoted so many times. Maybe the Tories better shut that part of stats Canada down as thier numbers go against their ideology.


Doug @ BC
said

My beloved Tories are becoming a stand up comedy act. I wish they would just be straight as to their intentions and stop making this stuff up. It is getting embarassing for those of us who try to spin their message.

Leonard George
said

It's a joke indeed. But the bigger joke is that Canadians continue to vote this pro-ignorance crowd into power. We get the government we deserve.


hagbard
said

They can start by putting themselves into the prisons.

If there are any doubt that the Conservatives want to create a police state just like our neighbors to the south, this should clear that up. Guess they'll be coming up with new laws to make sure they're filled.


Bob Kell
said

Stockwell Day, what a CLOWN! This should make us all very suspicious causing us to really embrace "habeas corpus", as opposed to leaning towards rounding up everybody who looks suspicious? Isn't that what the Nazi's started out doing? We all need to step up and condemn Stockwell's intentions/actions and stop this! If crime stats are going down, makes me wonder if it is all simply part of the agenda for the New World Order that will be implemented in full force late 2011. Canadian citizens be very aware!


Jamie, Ottawa
said

So the man who believes that dinosaurs lived amongst humans now believes this? It is a little curious that in the summer, when sitting government support usually increases, this government is seeing their support decrease. How do they respond? Trying to scare their base. I wish they had more respect for the average person's intelligence. We're not falling for it Stock.


K. Wilson
said

No wonder the Harper government wants to get rid of the census. Those pesky statistics get in the way every time.


art
said

This is why the government is scraping much of the census and other government surveys. They don’t want anyone to be able to argue against them with the facts. As an example: the crime rate has been falling for decades which go against their main tough on crime approach. I guess it is really easy to be tough on crime that doesn’t exist.Now if we could only get them to do something useful like reduce unemployment.


Michel in Ottawa
said

After that it will be schools for all the unborn children, and seats in the House for all the unelected Conservative candidates. Doris is off his nut.


AC1986
said

I'm pretty sure at this point that the wet suits are starting to cut off the oxygen supply to Day's brain.

Of course the best part is that his neophytes will actually start rattling off this "fact" as a talking point.


IC
said

Crime as a whole is down.. Canada doesn't need more prisons when we can just extradite our citizens to the US and use theirs.


John
said

This government is attempting to remold Canada into a republic style government, and the census issue indicates that they don't want anyone having the ability to reliably question their moves.
Possibly a new government IS in order.
Timing is everything.


Guest
said

How about do a followup where you investigate who wants to build these prisons and how are they related to Day and others pushing for them. I bet you they have a dog in the fight.


Manny
said

John, you can choose to not believe people who say crime is dropping, but to base your conclusion off of the relative frequency of newspaper articles is about as stupid as Mr. Day's assertion: those would be reported crimes that you are reading about... and those are apparently going down according to statistics, which means your anecdotal evidence is clearly wrong.

Dac
said

What a joke...prisons for people that will never get charged let alone convicted.


Dennis
said

Thugs and criminals get turned back out in to the streets every day because of overcrowding, not because they are innocent. I would guess the naysayers have had some expierence with the law, or they are living in an Ivory Tower


Laughton
said

Since the majority of these comments don't accept the idea of unreported crimes or preparing for the future, I hope the same people will also reject future proposals for programs, initiatives or funding based on other "under-reported" activities. After all they wouldn't want to be hypocritical in any way would they? Regards

Dave
said

More education is what is needed. More police presence and protection could also help.


Steve
said

secret laws,fewer rights and freedoms, more prisons, anybody else scared


Ali in BC
said

Response to Karl: I hardly see what being a creationist has to do with any of this? It's time to find a new concept on which to base judement on Day, and the Conservatives, on.


farmer fred
said

All this proves is that you can be dumber than a post and still get elected and re-elected handily in this country. What is scary is that this is all it takes to qualify you to have power over the lives and livlihoods of others. Only in Canada - pity!


Mike
said

All this is not even to mention the fact that "tough on crime" policies don't effectively deter crime.

We become like the United States every day.


Frank in NS
said

Crime in Halifax-Dartmouth sure as heck has not declined and the courts do not put serious offenders in jail due to the lack of cells available. Kill someone, and you might get denied two days of no TV. Our justice system is a joke!


Jacques
said

He may have a point! Perhaps what he was trying to say is that with more jails available, people will report more crimes??!! With Stats Canada loosing the reliability of its data, it's possible the Cons. will be able to justify what Mr Day is saying.

Canada is slowly moving downward and the real danger is that there does'nt seem to be nobody to stop it.


Robert Clark
said

they're laughing these comments....


ian
said

They should be opening new hospitals for people that aren't sick. yet.


Dave
said

So...we need more prisons, because there are crimes that go unreported...? That doesn't make sense, on any level. Could it be possible that a lot of crimes go unreported because the system of law that we have made for ourselves is totally incompetent and people would rather see justice done by their own means, rather than cycling the issue through a system that will suck thousands of dollars out of pocket and in the end ensure NO true justice is meted out? As for this hairbrained idea of taking away a judges obligation to mete out justice case by case so that it at least has the semblance of being carried out according to the person(s) involved and thier situations, you would have 'mandatory sentencing' effectively taking the judges ability to judge each situation away? We are well on our way to where an advanced society simply SHOULD NOT GO.


Justice for All
said

Stockwell Day....now there's a genius


Stosh
said

Build them and they will come.


RAY BRADSHALH
said

So we're at the point now that our MP's require a sobriety test before they speak -- great!


Jerry in NS
said

If this government isn't going to take us seriously then this government shouldn't be taken seriously. This is just nonsense. Mr. Day's rhetoric is beyond silliness, it's just plain insulting!


pointblank
said

We we want to spend billions on prisons for crimes that are not reported? And who is going to prosecute these people for these unreported crimes? Who are these people? Who are the victims? Where did he get this idea? It throws every single statistic the Conservatives provide moving forward into question. There's now a huge credibility issue and it's not going to go away.


Cam
said

Now I see why they want to take apart Stat Canada. So they can push their ideology and American style governance without having to compete with reasoning and statistics. Harper's gotta go


Rhody
said

Nice to hear that Stockwell Day is still around. And still ridiculous.


Bill @ Kelowna
said

It’s really time that the Conservative party search with-in and put forth a true Conservative leader, I mean a real Conservative.
The party has gone as far as it can go with Harper, he appeals only to Christian fundamentalists and fringe groups who combined lack the numbers to give him a majority Government.
This Con. Party is at a junction, to stay statuesque relegates the party to Conservative/Reform/Alliance coalition status and well never achieve true Conservatism unless a leader with true Conservative values is found.
Failure to move forward on the normal evolution of the party well eventually relegate the C/R/A coalition to fringe statues like the Greens and be labelled for what it is, a right-wing Christian Fundamentalist party.



tewchip
said

Actually, according to Lorrie Goldstiens article, violent crime is UP 310% since 1961. The media just does not report the actual stats. Just another way the MSM omits or argues against Conservative policy.


mel
said

the only unreported crimes in canada are against animals in this country, due to the slack Animal Rights Laws. Don't see the conservatives doing much about that in their war on crime. Its all a smoke screen to make prisons a big private buisness.


cantuc
said

I have been stolen from twice in the last few years . One was worth more than $ 10,000 .00 . The thief got off with a suspended senteance for one and for the other the police told mr to forget about it . I know I'm not the only one that has stopped calling the police . Theres no point .


Roger
said

I think what might be happening is that because prisons are overcrowded, and prisoners are let out early to ease the burden, people feel like "what's the point" in reporting a crime?

This province is so easy on criminals... 4 years for 2nd degree murder???


MaryLS
said

Actually, Stats can does a survey on unreported crime and publishes statistics. It's true -- there is an increase in unreported crime. Now the argument Day is making is that tougher sentencing discourages crime (reported or not), so the headling here and opening sentence are very misleading. The journalists -- rather than Day -- are making this issue confusing.


Ron Adams
said

Whenever I see references to 'statistics' I remember what a prof at university said. "You can make statistics prove anything!"Crime 'stats' are probably down because (1) the lawyers & Crown Attorneys plea bargain multiple charges down to single charges. (2) People see that the legal (not) justice system does little to address the problems.


vic_cdn
said

Ummm, Stockwell, you're not looking good on this one. Un-pack the jet ski and take a couples of days off to think it through. Thanks, Steve.


Rothwell
said

Crime isn't decreasing whatsoever. Only a buffoon would believe that. We need to stop letting in criminals, and we need to throw the book at the criminals we catch. We also need to stop sending so many kids to foster houses, because that's where they really learn how to be criminals.


Robert Taubman
said

Unreported crimes? What are the statistics for that? We'll never know!! One obvious crime is that these guys are still in power. Are we Canadians that stupid that we allow people who make statements like the "unreported crimes", to represent us? And we keep voting them in? Who says an election isn't wanted. Bring it on!!


allbwell
said

Not on my Tax Dollar, Mr. Day!

Increase penalties for drug/person trafficking & extortion convictions - Good move!

Put more GPS tracking devices on convicted criminals & put 'jamming' devices into their cell phones for other than specific numbers - Good move!

Put more money into educational opportunities to encourage citizens into careers/trades & to lead a 'right' life - Good move!

Build more prisons to engage more tax-dollar salaried guards? Nope! Build schools instead!


Scott
said

3 people were caught today for a armed robbery in West Vancouver. The police said a couple had called in to report they were robbed by these 3 before, but never bothered to call back. More jails, keep people in them.


Grant
said

Unreal. Is it possible that the reported unreported crimes could ever result in prison time? as soon as you have someone to pin a charge on isn't that a reported crime, full-stop, period? what about the unreported unreported crimes? We'll be waiting around awhile for those trouble makers to show up at the gates of a new prison.

collective eye roll.


Karl
said

From the government that put a chiropractor/creationist in charge of science and doesn't understand allowing optional census reporting turns the data set into a self selected population, we now have a government building prisons for crimes they have no stats on! Did Harper make a secret pact with Bush to ensure one NA...FTA country is always ruled by anti-science, innumerate idiots?


Mark
said

Maybe the Tories should just order StatsCan not to research crime statistics anymore.

Bob Rudachyk
said

Hello Police: I'd like to report an unreported crime. Stockwell Day has obviously been smoking something illegal to come up with such a hare brained scheme, so lock him up!


Al in Orillia
said

Media continues their trip watch, the minute somebody trips, it becomes the biggest story! Stockwell Day is only an idiot to the liberal idiots and if he miss-spoke who cares. I completely support the tough on crime measures and the statistics on this are laughable, because they only measure the same crimes, over and over!! Criminals continue to invent crimes and we blindly walk around feeling safe because the media says we are. Joke!


mike c
said

HTC you say the cons have hurt crime fighting HOW, you say they closed parliment when they had no right ( just like the libs did 3 times). the truth is they are getting tough on crime and the liberal senat blocks the bills , so point the finger were it belongs!


Brian
said

How Absurd!

ken Markkula
said

Mr.Day: What about all the criminal complaints that are made to the RCMP and no investigation or concerns shown? Oh ya the complaints were about Government agencies, are those the ones that are classed as non-reported? Please come and discuss this with me as I would love to show you the evidence, maybe then you could do your job correctly for the Citizens of Canada.


sam jones
said

well i just spit my coffee up all over my keyboard. this is becoming a daily thing with the reforms, oh sorry i mean the cons. Canada is slowing becoming the joke of the world.

Bill from Guelph
said

"I'm saying one statistic of many that concerns us is the amount of crimes that go unreported. Those numbers are alarming and it shows that we can't take a liberal view to crime." If the crimes are unreported, how does he know what the number is?

5th generation Canadian
said

Oh my. Words almost fail me (too bad they hadn't failed Mr. Clement!). Hmmm, billions of dollars we don't have for new prisons for unknown prisoners responsible for unknown crimes. Even for this government, that defies logic. Are they listening to themselves? More to the point, are Canadians listening? This government is fiscally responsible? Puleeese.

Angelle
said

Is someone keeping a list somewhere of all these crimes ....or is this twitter gossip..


HTC
said

The media needs to stop acting as the advertising arm of the Conservative party. Proroguing parliament, abolishing the census, victimization of crime and the failure of our justice system - these are all issues where the Tory handling resonate well with conservative voters. By fixating on these issues as much as they do, the press is doing HELPING the conservative party. If the press hates the Tories so much, they should just stop reporting what they do, rather than invigorating their base by letting them know how good of a job they are doing.

Stu from London
said

Makes sense. If there are more prisons, people will report crime more often right? Yeah, I got it.


mike c
said

it a great idea put these punks in jail and you creat great long term jobs for a town and get these things off the street and yes a lot of crime is not prossed after the cop says that nothing will happen to the guy but he will know who you are, i have family working in prisons here in alta and they make very good wage get the crooks and creat good jobs!

ioana
said

Yeah, he has a point. If I witnessed a crime commited by one of our G20 police officers, I'd be reluctant to report it for fear of reprisals. I see where he's going with this.

Michael
said

Well i'm not going to report a crime that you didn't just commit, so he can give your cell to someone else who didn't do anything. Or is it a crime to not report a no crime?


John
said

I don't believe the people who say crime is dropping!. You can't pick up a paper without reading about a lot more serious crime. It's about time a Gov't got serious about criminals.

Chris R
said

Keep sharpening that message! It needs a little work! LOL

Point Break
said

OMG ...u can't make this stuff up!


Sheryl
said

I'm very confused. Exactly how does someone manage to get statistics on crimes that are not reported... if they are not reported? Even "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" couldn't have made that up!!

Spence in Ontario
said

This is a pretty funny gaffe on the part of Stockwell Day. Mark Holland is right on the money in this case, making more prisons because more crimes are going unreported (which has not been proven and Day is likely incorrect about) makes no logical sense. You cannot lock people up if they are not reported and arrested, it just does not work.

Josh
said

Haha what a joke, although I guess it's hard to expect anything else from this government.

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