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Support for Tories down across most of country: poll

A Canadian flag flies under the Peace Tower, ahead of the resumption of Parliament in Ottawa, on Wednesday, March 3, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)
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Date: Tuesday Jul. 27, 2010 9:07 PM ET

OTTAWA — A pox on both your houses is the message Canadians are sending to both the ruling Conservatives and the opposition Liberals, a new poll suggests.

The Tories' national lead over the Liberals slipped to five points from eight, a new Canadian Press Harris Decima survey found.

The Conservatives stand at 31 per cent, the Liberals 26 per cent, the NDP 18 per cent, the Greens 12 per cent and the BQ 10 per cent.

The biggest drop for the Tories was in the vote-rich province of Ontario, where they've lost a seven-point lead to tie with the Liberals at 34 per cent.

But both parties have lost ground to the NDP in British Columbia, while all three are far behind the Bloc Quebecois in Quebec.

The pollsters surveyed 2,030 people between July 15 and 25, as criticism over the Conservatives' move on the census hit its zenith with the resignation of Canada's top statistician.

Harris Decima said the results are accurate to within plus or minus 2.2 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

In the two weeks before the latest poll, support for the Tories was at 35 per cent, while the Liberals were at 27 per cent.

It's hard to attribute the drop to the census controversy because the issue is not engaging most Canadians, said Allan Gregg, chairman of Harris Decima.

But the decline in B.C. and Quebec suggests any talk of a fall election is moot.

"That's a prescription for even a reduced minority compared to the one they have right now, so I would think if this holds over the next little while the prospect of a fall election would virtually disappear," Gregg said.

The Liberals currently have their leader, Michael Ignatieff, on a bus tour to get to know Canadians but it's not driving poll numbers, said Gregg.

"I think what you're kind of seeing is that given the extent that the Liberals aren't uniformly being advantaged by what is a slippage on the party of the Conservatives, you have voters basically saying a pox on both your houses," he said.

Another noticeable feature of the survey is that female voters appear to again be moving away from the Tories.

The gender gap had more of less disappeared over the course of the last two months, said Gregg.

"One of the reasons right of centre parties suffer from a gender gap is that right of centre parties are seen as risky, that is, that they are seen as more extremist, more likely to do something that is destabilizing or unseemly.

"Does the census fit into that? A little bit."

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Doug in BC
said

OMG let us hope this continues. Maybe people are starting to think for themselves. When a minority government starts making so many changes based on their narrow ideology we must take notice. Arrogance by any party must be challenged, particularly when they are in a minority. When you voted the last time did the Tories say they would gut Stats Canada, did they say they would do away with affirmative action? Whether you agree with these actions or not, we deserve to have known their intentions. What else do they plan to do that they didn't tell us?


IceDog
said

What is most sad about this poll result and in fact the polls from the past few years, is that despite the fact Harper has no credible opposition, he is still unable to win over the majority of Canadians. While the Liberals flounder and the NDP bob along, you would think the Tories would just run-away with it all, but the majority of Canadians just can't trust that Harper dude, nor can I.


Observer
said

I thought that statistics based on voluntary polls are useless....at least thats what the left and the media have to say when crucifying the Conservatives....that is until it works in their favor to try and sway public opinion against the Conservatives....


Alexandria
said

Some on here say our country is doing well because of the policies of the previous liberal government. That is a crock on the first order.It will take years to remedy the foolish mistakes of the libs. They raped the Military, the Health Care system, and most other departments of funding and stole millions in the biggest money scandal in Canadian history.God help us if the Liberals ever gain power again.Party of scoundrels.Also what is the secret Agenda that everyone thinks the Conservatives have in mind? More BS from the losing parties.


JPC near Regina
said

Doesn't matter to me - I will NEVER vote for a Lib/NDP/BQ coalition which will result in more taxes and less freedom...


Good One
said

Everyone is now realizing that we need a strong and capable leader like Iggy...BWAAAAHAAHAAHAHAHAAA!No, I think it's just that the pollsters hit people while most are on vacation.


Andrew
said

mark vancouver:The people of Canada should read the book "The Armageddon Factor - The Rise of Christian Nationalism in Canada". The influence that these people have and that are growing in power in the Conservative (Reform) Party and the PMO is shocking. If you think that it only happens to our Southern neighbour, think again. If Harper and his party ever form a majority in government - be afraid, VERY afraid.YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS so much for the theory all Liberals are Intellects


Richard in Ontario
said

Funny, last week the Liberal supporters were saying that polls don't mean a thing, since 12 year olds could answer the phone. Now, hallelujah, the Libs and Conservatives are tied in Ontario and now these same polls are gospel.... Who would have thought that?.


ya right
said

for those bashing the validity of the poll - I bet you're the same folks who say that the census long form should be replaced by polls.


Wendy
said

The polls have been consistent for a long time now, showing roughly 70% of Canadians don't want a right wing-nut government. Canada is a great place to live, thanks to the many years of strong fiscal leadership of past liberal government. Canadians don't want Harper's dictatorship.


karl
said

We only have to look back over the last 20 years to see what party provides us with the best hope, that is obviously the liberals. Lets get rid of the fear mongering Bush style conservatives and give this Iggy bloke a chance. He is obviously worldly intelligent so he will make us proud to be Canadian. The Liberals also have better economic policies, thats why Canada is fairing better given the past Martin policy.


Rob
said

Dave, the United States were in a recession before Barack Obama took office. Also, the Conservative Party of Canada would be considered more liberal then the Democratic Party in the US. Meaning if you feel Obama is a socialist, surely, Harper must be one too.


Gerry
said

It makes sense that women are pulling away from the Conservatives. Not only are the Conservatives unstable, but they have recently made some bad decisions that in particular, affect women. Their stand on reproductive rights undermines women's programs in the developing nations, their wanting to cut funding to shut the Status of women and the elimination of the mandatory census which will make all information in the next census unusable (it can't be compared to anything) will also hurt women. But it provides essential information about the diversity of our nation and our needs as a people of a great nation regardless of gender. It doesn't surprise me. My question is: how far will they be able to go before even staunch Conservatives begin to see the level of incompetence, that is if they haven't already.


Kurt Barber
said

Niagara George - yours is a very eastern centric sentiment. Many of us, especially in the west were not happy about the direction the Liberals have taken us for decades and we finally have a prime minister that is righting the ship. I for one would welcome a conservative majority gov't .


Winnipeg Guy
said

Support for any political party down across most of country: poll


Albertaboy111
said

Harper and his party have too often now flirted with danger. The bullheaded manner in which they have been conducting themselves recently has finally caught up with Canadians. Before people could just laugh off the notion of Harper's "hidden agenda", but now more and more Canadians are starting to question brushing it off so lightly. They are acting like a gang of thugs who can do whatever they want without any justification, or opposition, and that is very un-Canadian. We are a country of people that enjoy getting along. It's what defines us to the rest of the world. They were able to paint it as parliaments fault for a long period, but now it is becoming evident just who is creating a dysfunctional environment in our parliament.


Calvin AB
said

Wait a minute, how can Cons now try to grab the credit for Canada's relative good financial shape in this global recession? I am not affiliated to any party, but if remember correctly, they tried to deny the recession when it was coming, and refused to take necessary steps until the oppositions forced them. Canadians are fortunate enough because this Cons will not get a majority. I predict the poll number for Cons will further drop when more Canadians see their governing style of 'my way or the highway" -- StatsCan is just an example.


Spence in Ontario
said

I'm not too surprised about the results of the this poll. The relatively good performance of our economy has been fairly independent from the actions of the gov't so I don't think the conservatives as the party in change should get credit for that. Periodically the cons always seem to manage to do something stupid that brings their support back down to earth a bit. They just aren't going to get past the 35% zone for more than a two week period. The liberals have been on tour and trying to promote themselves and their policy ideas. If that does resonate or make people decide to rethink voting it will take more time to show in the trends than simply the two week polling period. The NDP have been doing okay in terms of steady support and have often done quite well in BC but aren't really taking off. The Bloc has a good chunk of Quebec in lockstep still and that hasn't changed just yet.


LDL in ONT
said

Give me a break. Really? Nothing else on the News Service Wire ? "Puppy saved by Firemen in Amsterdam " ? Anything? The polls fluctuate every week and each group that does a poll has a 2 to 3 point margin of error. Nuff said. Even as a conservative I yawned when the media reported a 2 point dip for the liberals a month ago. It means, well, nothing.


Tono Fonseca
said

"But both parties have lost ground to the NDP in British Columbia..."Yeah, I think we all know why that is.All of those parties can shove off; I'm going to go for the Christian Heritage Party next election.

Stu from London
said

I knew a Conservative supporter would question this poll. I also knew that a Conservative supporter would still tell us that there is still going to be a Conservative Majority next election. Your Party is not as well supported as you think. Also, to the poster suggesting that the Liberals are somehow responsible for allowing the Bloc to exist, do you not realize that the Bloc was founded by a former member of the Federal Progressive Conservatives? Also, why can't they be a Party? If people vote for them, and they win seats you can't change that. We can't just change up the options for people if you don't like the results. Perhaps if the Conservative Party tried a little harder in Quebec, they would make some headway.


James
said

To those that think Harper won the last election - or any he's fought as the leader...give your head a shake. Take this poll as an example - Harper's conservatives are the only party on the right, with 31%, meaning roughly 70% of the population does not agree with him, his values, or his ideals. On the other side of the story, the left is comprised of three parties - the Liberals at 26%, the NDP at 18%, and the Greens at 12%, for a total of 56%. The vast majority of Canadians are left-leaning guys, or at least not right-leaning. While the Liberal/NDP merger was a non-starter, I think the Liberals and the Greens should really take a hard look at the merger bit. Instead of splitting the vote three ways they split it two ways, which - as history shows us - is enough to punt Harper and keep Canada centerist.


Linda
said

I've seen another poster refer to the PM as "Darth Sweater Vest", and while I enjoy the comparison, Harper isn't even a Sith apprentice. He leads the only party on the right, yet his skills with the Force are insufficent to get a majority when his party is the only choice the conservative voters have. (Perhaps the truth is that Canada really doesn't want to be conservative???) I agree that he is changing the country, but he's incapable of leading it.


Jamie Dickson
said

Let me get this straight. This poll indicates that 66% of Canadians want Harper out! I'm surprised as I thought it was higher. What's wrong with our system of government.


Roadrobber
said

What this poll really measures is the voting intentions of voters who volunteered to answer the polling questions. If it was mandatory to answer the pollsters questions under threat of fines or jail, the poll would be even more accurate...like the census. Right?


Jack R
said

It's laughable. When Stevie McSweatervest is ahead you neocons can't stop saying that it's because he and his cadre of brown shirts are doing such a great job and everyone loves them. When they're down in the polls, you call the polls bs and discredit the results saying it's all a lie, and the CPC is the only party to represent the views of you square heads. Make up your mind. If you have one.


Bryan
said

I'm going to vote for whoever advocates for a carbon tax. Sure it'll make things more expensive but it will brings more jobs back to Canada since it'll be too expensive to ship everything 1/2 way around the world. I encourage everybody to read the book 'Why your world is about to get a whole lot smaller'


Henry Wysmulek
said

Could it be because of the start of the hst in some provinces?


simon
said

Who cares about Polls? These are just STATISTICS and are meaningless. Scrap the Polls!!!


Mark Smith (Montreal, PQ)
said

The liberals set us up to be resilient. Harper didn't destroy us with over spending. Harper's social policies make no sense, but he also didn't nose dive this country into a massive pool of debt and for that he needs some respect. But Harper's social policies are what's affecting the poles. The majority of canadians are centralist or left-of-centre when it comes to social policy. Harper has clearly shown that he is a right winger socially, far enough from the centre that it makes everyone uncomfortable. Women's rights, marijuana, education and science, gay/lesbian rights, funding for the arts, etc, are all things Canada has been very good at, and it makes Canadians proud. Harper and the new tories have tried to undo or want to undo all of it, and it's for that reason they will never get a majority. And the more they try to push a social agenda that does not resonate with the majority of this country, the worse off they will be.


j.brown
said

i dare the politicians of this country to amend the Election Act. With one simple box added to the voting form we would get a true picture of what the voters think.. The box would say "None Worthy of my Vote".Then make it mandatory to vote. A party who wins a majority and thinks it has the "God given right" to do as they please might get a second sober thought when they see that there is a large block of voters ready and waiting for the next election.


NS
said

Cons are doing a great job, Central Canada is wining..and people are liking NDP more than Liberals... I did not need a poll for that.


Bill in BC
said

The only poll that means anything is the one on election day, which personally i look forward to. At least then this bickeering nonsense will be muted once there is a majority (regardless of which party it is)! Bring back the Monarchy and off with a few political heads! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.


Patricia
said

These days the Liberals are too busy wandering around in the wilderness to be making any inroads to the rest of us. Too bad because the Harperites are too extreme. But the Bloc will do very well in Quebec that is for sure.


Sam
said

Thank you Elias Nasrallah for proving why we need the census which is not subject to any "swaying" by the pollsters, and in this case Libertarian neo-cons who wish to push their agenda onto everyone else regardless of statistics.


Mark, Vancouver
said

The people of Canada should read the book "The Armageddon Factor - The Rise of Christian Nationalism in Canada". The influence that these people have and that are growing in power in the Conservative (Reform) Party and the PMO is shocking. If you think that it only happens to our Southern neighbour, think again. If Harper and his party ever form a majority in government - be afraid, VERY afraid.


Saskmike
said

@ Dave..."Most of those have socialist governments that have put their financial stability in jepordy. Like Greece, Spain and now the USA.: The USA was way RIGHT when this FINANCIAL STABILITY happened. You forget that the way the USA does their banking/financial system is what began this whole mess in the first place....LOL.


themacguy
said

Surprise, surprise.....what would they expect....there isn't one politician in this country that's worthy of a vote. They're all a bunch of crooked ba$tards only interested in lining their own and their cronies' pockets and giving jobs to their friends and relatives. I've been trying for months to get in to see my local provincial member, with a legitimate concern, and so far I haven't been able to even talk to him on the phone. Thanks Dr. Eric Hoskins...


ElaineM
said

It was nothing to do with this scurrilous regime the almost recession proof nature of our economy. That was to do with the proper management of our economy during the liberal years. Baffles me that people don't realise this government is not accountable to the people but want to have excuses to not provide services to many in our population who needs extra help like the handicapped. People are instrinsically lazy so now it is not required, will not complete the full census, not only that a hundred years from now people on studying genealogy will wonder why they have no information about our time but also how will the various departments looking after folk know or where to apply their efforts. To quote Shakespeare - a pox on all their houses.


Blazer, On.
said

The Bloc, being a Quebec separatist party, has no reason to be part of a Canadian federal election poll. Furthermore, it has no reason to be in the House of Commons. Thanks to a French Canadian liberal leader who had no right to even think about allowing this party into the pockets of Canadians, we are currently stuck with paying them full privileges, including money, pensions and allowing the journalists to give them air time much to the chagrine of the rest of Canada.


Chris
said

Surveys like this mean squat when they are managed by the left leaning media. Bring on an election - a Conservative majority will be here sooner than you can possibly imagine. "The media is the message." Now who is responsible for that line, huh?


CYL
said

Yes I thought I was giving the PC the edge but after that summit in Toronto, I need to find someone else to have confidence in, who ?


LP
said

Dave, are you saying that the U.S. is a socialist country? Last I checked Canada is more socialist than the states. Another thing I am not understanding is that the cons keep reffering to the Libs and NDP giving handouts and implying that the cons are somehow responsible for Canada's rellative good fortune through the recent economic downturn. The sole reason for our resilliencey is rooted in tough bank policies and supervision. This is what Harper and his friends wanted to do away with before he got ellected. Don't get me wrong I don't much like any of the parties and am very unsure how to use my vote when the opportunity arises. But I do not see that harper or anyone else in the past ten or so years could take credit for our relative good fortunes. Other than to say "well I did not change what was in place and that was my good judgement". To blindly follow a party because of thier rederick and never criticise said parties decisions makes you a lemming - nothing more.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Niagara George: Thanks for the skewed, partisan critique (the left-wing fear-mongering is always a nice and expected touch), but, arguably, you'd be far better off forging a strategy for your own floundering Liberal party that brings it to the ideological right. Right now, your illustrious Leader is on a desperate bus tour, trying to show a handful of "real" Canadians that today's Liberal party isn't a conservative version of the NDP, and that the Liberal party isn't just a fractured collection of professional parliamentary Opposers. Keep your eye on the ball, George. (Besides, this poll wasn't government-driven, mandatory, and supported by jail time, so, it can't be relied upon.)


Elias Nasrallah
said

How is it that the polls show the Tories down? They have been doing a fine job with the country. The Liberals are shown to be just below the Tories and the Grits have done NOTHING in the way of even a mandate for the country. What the heck is going on? Is this poll conducted properly? Does it have the proper questions? Most important, where was the poll taken? If it was taken in Liberal friendly territory, you have your answer. That is why I don't trust polls. They can be swayed with tweaking the questions and the people polled could be Liberal supporters.


Chris, Irishtown Nl
said

Dave, the reason we made it through the recession the way we did was as a result of the work done by the former Liberal government. The reason the former government did it is because the kept the revenue generating tactics brought on by the previous PC government. The reason we'll turn into another North American Redneck country is because of the current government (Conservative, without the progressiveness)


peter in MB
said

Votes talk and Polls walk. .


lc
said

This is not happening just in Canadian.Politicians from most western nations are considered pond scum because populations have awakened to the fact that most are agents for bankers,multi-nationals and elitists.What is amazing is that it took so long for people to see what has been staring them in the face for decades!


Robert
said

Re Dave's comments:
We are in food financial shape because of the policies put in place by former finance minister Paul Martin. Harper has spent like a drunken sailor since he came to power. He is George W. Bush "lite". He wants to replace anything in Canada that does not fit into his ideology. Heaven help the country if his unthinking followers give him a majority.


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

I agree with Dave. Look at how well Canada has done. We live in the best country in the world.


Frank Buchan
said

This is no surprise. None of them perform for the public good at this juncture, and absolutely none show the courage of any convictions. The best of a bad lot doesn't inspire trust, loyalty, or anything positive. I muse sometimes whether if all sitting politicians simply evaporated we would be better off, since none of them seems capable of the most basic acts of governance. When ethics replaced rational thought, justice and moral reasoning is when politicians fell far and hard.


kevin
said

this is copy paste work at it's best . Polls have been the same for 4yrs nice work Harris Decima. And to think they get paid for this lol what a joke


CanuckinTor
said

I think what this poll is showing is that people are frustrated with all parties and they need to start governing for the people for once. I personally am sick of hearing from the ultra right and ultra left posters on here who blindly follow what their party says and start mudslinging those who don't believe in the party doctrine. I don't like how the Conservatives who were elected with less than 35% of support have decided what is best for the majority of Canadians based on their own ideals (that is not what the electorate wanted). I also don't like how the Liberals nitpick every little scandal in the House without saying what they would do to make it better if they were in power. It's time for a drastic wake-up call here for the electorate...we need to decide on our own the direction we want the government to take and then elect those people who hold our own values (mainly by dictating to our MPs what the heck we want). Until that happens, we're stuck with a VERY muddled government that none of us likes that is divided by regional party lines.


R. Klein
said

Finally, some good news!


IslandMan
said

The NDP are gaining ground because they have spoken against the HST...Iggy blew his chance to support the will of the people on the new tax and Layton has filled the democratic vacancy left by Harper and Iggy.


Niagara George
said

The Conservatives' only hope is a new leader who is a true centrist, instead of the present neoCon in ill-fitting sweaters. If they brought back the red Tories and became more progressive in their views, they might make some inroads into the Liberal heartland.It isn't mentioned as often by the media as it once was, but Canadians sense there is a hidden agenda that would decimate the legal and social fabric of our country if this bunch ever achieved majority.status.


Dave
said

The poll sounds strange to me, especially when our country is doing so well through the rescession compared to other countries. Most of those have socialist governments that have put their financial stability in jepordy. Like Greece, Spain and now the USA. I hope before we have an election, that the voters look long and hard at what our government is doing to keep us a float and not go for handouts as the Liberals and NDP would give. Sure our primeminister is having some problems as they all do. Do not look at the short commings, but how our country is fairing as compared to others.


CraigW
said

I can't imagine the support for any party being high right no. All I see is a bunch of poiticians from all parites playing games in order to try and get elected and noboby doing the job they were elected to do.


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