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Statscan's Munir Sheikh is pictured at his office in Ottawa on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 in this image courtesy The Globe and Mail. Parliament Hill

Head of StatsCan resigns over census changes

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I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Munir Sheikh for the integrity he has shown by resigning his position as Chief Statistician of Canada. The previous Chief Statistician of 25 years, Ivan Fellegi also indicated he would have resigned if this had happened while he was in Charge.

Statistics Canada has for years been considered one of, if not the best statistical agency in the world. One of the reasons for that reputation is that Statcan, unlike the U,S, Bureau of the Census and many other Government statistical agencies, is an independant agency free from Government interference.

As a retired Statistics Canada employee of 35 years, I was always proud of the results of our data collection techniques as well as the results of our efforts and I would hope that the Government will listen to the advice of the experts and restore the mandatory, long form Census.

Bill in Gatineau

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Head of StatsCan resigns over census changes

Date: Wed. Jul. 21 2010 10:20 PM ET

The head of Statistics Canada has resigned after a controversial decision by the Conservatives to scrap the long-form census.

"Under the circumstances, I have tendered my resignation to the Prime Minister," Munir A. Sheikh said in a statement posted to the Statistics Canada website Wednesday evening.

"This relates to the question of whether a voluntary survey can become a substitute for a mandatory census," Sheikh wrote. "It can not."

Earlier, Sheikh abruptly cancelled a town hall meeting for Statistics Canada employees in which he was supposed to talk about the proposed change, fuelling speculation that his resignation was imminent.

The Conservative government quietly announced that they would do away with the long-form census in June. Instead, more money will be spent on a voluntary survey that will be sent to more homes.

As of 2011, Canadians will no longer be required to complete the long-form census, which 20 per cent of the population normally had to fill out. Replacing that is a volunteer survey sent out to 33 per cent of homes.

Industry Minister Tony Clement told the Globe and Mail that Sheikh had discussed several options for dealing with the transition from a mandatory census to a voluntary survey. Sheikh was "comfortable with those options," Clement said.

However, CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said that Sheikh in fact doesn't support the switch and that he's "unhappy" with any contradicting suggestion.

"(Sheikh is) clearly very unhappy with the government's position to dumb down the accuracy and reliability of the census," Fife told CTV News Channel Wednesday evening. "He's particularly unhappy with the fact that Tony Clement seemed to finger him as the one who supported this when in fact he doesn't."

In his own statement, Sheikh said he could not comment on what he told Clement.

"I cannot reveal and comment on this advice because this information is protected under the law. However, the government can make this information public if it so wishes," he said.

"I have always honoured my oath and responsibilities as a public servant as well as those specific to the Statistics Act."

Sheikh's resignation prompted opposition parties to take aim at the Conservatives.

Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale suggested that StatsCan has been tainted with political interference, which will make it more difficult to replace Sheikh.

"It would say to anybody that would consider taking the job that you are now in the role of a political puppet," Goodale said.

New Democrat MP Charlie Angus was more colourful, stating that the Tories had scrapped the mandatory long-form census "strictly out of partisan reasons to appease the Ron Paul, Tea Party base."

Recommendations made

Sources within the agency told The Canadian Press that although officials had discussed how to scrap the long-form census, the organization did not recommend replacing the survey with a voluntary one.

The switch from the mandatory long-form census to a voluntary survey will cost the federal organization about $30 million. About $5 million will be spent to mail out the survey to 60 per cent more households and up to $25 million to encourage public participation.

StatsCan did not recommend a voluntary survey, the sources said, because of the high cost needed to salvage an adequate sample size.

News of a voluntary census has created an uproar among provincial governments and major Canadian organizations.

Doris Grinspun, executive director of the Registered Nurses' Association of Ontario called the decision "ludicrous."

The governments of Ontario, Manitoba, Quebec and Prince Edward Island have all come out against the idea, reminding Ottawa that data collected from the mandatory census enables them to draft policy and deliver services.

Some politicians in Alberta, such as Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel, have also spoken out against the move.

"I'd like to know how they are going to replace that information with equal data that's going to be just as effective," Mandel said.

Critics say not only are certain groups less likely to respond to a voluntary survey but that it will be difficult to compare data from a new survey to information compiled over the last 30 years with a long-form census.

Don Drummond, the former chief economist with TD Bank Financial Group, said the voluntary version will likely receive fewer responses from groups including "the poor, First Nations communities, the very wealthy and a lot of recent immigrants from certain countries."

Clement has maintained that the data garnered from a volunteer census would be effective. However, according to the Globe he was told otherwise, and virtually all statisticians interviewed on the matter have said a volunteer census reduces the value of the data.

Sheikh's predecessor Ivan Fellegi has also gone on the record with his thoughts about the subject. He told The Canadian Press two weeks ago that he would have resigned if the government had decided to axe the long-form census during his reign.

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Jana
said

I have not seen the long form before, but I am not sure what would stop me, if I was offended by some questions, from giving answers that are not true? It is better if people can choose wether or not they wish to fill it out.


Frank in Ottawa
said

Filling out the long form is not onerous; I have done it myself during a previous census. It is a small duty to fulfull as a citizen, and it provides data which is essential for planning at varous levels of government. Unfortunately, I rarely hear the word duty anymore; it seems to be old-fashioned.

Observer
said

Anyone else think Tony Clement is looking more and more like Comical Ali? Remember that guy? "Yes, we are winning the war. What's that sound? No, no, that's the clapping of all the people who agree with us. Excuse me while I jump into this sewer hole and hide now, er, confer with my colleagues."


Mark Kam-Ming Tam
said

Calling every professional and senior civil servant a Liberal/NDP Socialist on Big Fat Salary does not make any of your arguments stronger. Why doesn't people understand that a voluntary survey present results that are self-selected. Just like how the 90% of self-selected commentators here who seem to be supportive of Clement's decision does not reflect the actual percentage of the population who supports it (poll suggests 49%).

The very fact that a very recent poll on this subject shows that people with higher and stable income and with education, for example, are more likely to fill the voluntary census is the proof of this.

As for the questions, they are not intrusive and there are mechanisms to guarantee privacy. Not to mention the multiple factors allow multiple correlation to be made. For example, do immigrants start their day earlier or live in smaller houses? Are people with disability unable to live alone? Are Canadians not able to find any job in a particular city, industry, so on?


Greg in the Hammer
said

To Peter in NB:Someone "hacking" in and getting this information isn't the issue when you have a former cabinet minister who will simply leave it on the couch at his biker girlfriend's apartment.


Raymond
said

Good. Enough of intrusive, liberal, social engineering. The short form will be just fine. We are supposedly a free society, people....the government doesn't need to know everything about us.


firstMickey
said

Ever wonder if Harper and the Conservatives are a bunch of control freaks?


Geo In TO
said

I like number crunching.It's extremely important and it's science-based.It's the stuff that politicians rely on to come up with policy.To have the government dictate what kind of numbers can be crunched by the statisticians ... and how ... is intrusive and destructive to science.You might as well tell epidemiologists to stop tracking diseases ... because it's intrusive to the victims of such diseases.


RW
said

Why should I want to pay for private companies to have my personal information? Why don't I also send a cheque to the telemarketers that keep calling me at suppertime; support some more annoying, intrusive people with my money! Scrap the long cenus, it is our taxes paying for corporate profits!


Craig
said

-Scott in Montreal-How is not forcing Canadians to fill out a form, "steamrolling democracy"?


allan
said

who needs a head counter anyhow? I am glad to see some of our hard earned money being saved on these waste-of-skin civil servants who think we owe them a livng!


Mot Reglub
said

I think that Harper is wrong and will have to pay the price in the next election


Jan
said

The long form is the only one where there is a box for nationality. Since Canadian is not recognized, nor listed in the nationality part of the census I check the box "other" and write in: CANADIAN. Keep the long form and keep it mandatory.


Bill in Gatineau
said

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Munir Sheikh for the integrity he has shown by resigning his position as Chief Statistician of Canada. The previous Chief Statistician of 25+ years, Ivan Fellegi also indicated he would have resigned if this had happened while he was in Charge.

Statistics Canada has for years been considered one of, if not the best statistical agency in the world. One of the reasons for that reputation is that Statcan, unlike the U,S, Bureau of the Census and many other Government statistical agencies, is an independant agency free from Government interference.

As a retired Statistics Canada employee of 35 years, I was always proud of the results of our data collection techniques as well as the results of our efforts and I would hope that the Government will listen to the advice of the experts and restore the mandatory, long form Census.

jeremy
said

Alright, enough is enough. This gov't without the Mandated Cencus which determines where funding and support for our most Vunerable citizen's across the country, will now be in total control with the Prime Minister. He doesn't answer questions from national media, he blocks every attempt at transparent government which he campaigned on, and the policies of the government in power 8-10 years ago which established the sound banking regulations that saved us from the brunt of the recession.Please Canada, see the rouse unfolding right before our gullable eyes.


Havelock Heavy
said

Here we go again, Mr. Harper forces a public servant out who was just trying to do his job and refused to do Mr. Harper's bidding when it defied logic, common sense or was just plain dumb. Are there any senior public servants left who will speak truth to power?


Larry King
said

What is going on with these MPs and their endless lying to us? Just recently James Moore denied referring to some Canadians as "radical extremists" and suddenly went silent when video of him using those exact words was released. Now it definitely appears that Sheikh was never in support of this as Clement claimed. It's a bunch of lying children on the Hill.


Leo
said

If you don't understand why the long form must be mandatory, you desperately need education in the basics of statistics. As Ignatieff said today, if you think education is expensive, just try ignorance. Well, the Tories and their supporters are forcing the rest of us to follow policies based on ignorance, and the educated remainder of the population will pay a heavy price in the long term for programs and policies founded not on accurate data but on ideology.


James T
said

Eliminating the long form mandatory census is simply Sith information elimination, but the way that Darth Sweater Vest handled this proves that he is only the apprentice.


Doug in Stratford
said

Soooo less correct information @ a higher cost.........wow good to have the fiscal fighters in goverment !!!!!!!!!!!!!


Peter in MB
said

Partisanship aside, what would happen if someone Hacked into this (So-called) secure data base (Just like the gun registry has been hacked into over 1000 times) and the hacker got your information? Your SIN number, you’re your name, address, ECT. (Identity theft!!!) That’s what would happen and I feel that I should have the right to protect myself against Identity theft.


Robin
said

Once again, Harper has been instrumental in the creation of a toxic workplace environment (and country), which has lead to the resignation of a highly respected public servant based on nothing more than regressive, neo-conservative IDEOLOGY. How many more will be: a) coerced, b) fired, or c) resign. Shameful.

Peter in MB
said

It is funny how all the loving liberals defend what they think is their right to interfere in your lives and know everything about you, and the Big Bad Wolf Conservatives want to give you and me the freedom to choose how to run our own lives. So my question is who are the real Dictators in this country?


ron shingles
said

Re: Changes to the Census form"Harper doesn't want to Census He lives in an Ivory TowerThe less He sees and listens Gives Him Greater Power"Ron Shingles, Victoria BC


Pip
said

Mr Sheikh is within his rights to resign if he feels he cannot comply with the government policy - good for him. However, as a long-time bureaucrat he must have understood that his job was to implement policy, not create it, regardless of which party was in power. I wonder how many more senior bureaucrats are unsettled because the current government chooses to create its own policies? One thing though: will Mr. Sheikh be claiming that he is entitled to his entitlements?


hal
said

He should have been FIRED!! He does not make policy. No one elected him to represent Canadians.Its the same as if a General decided not to follow government policy.Don't worry though he will have his big fat pension to live on!


Alberta
said

"You can only blame Alberta for it" Good one!! John from Halifax... To be honest. In Alberta we really don't care what you think in Halifax... Bring something to the table if you want a seat at the table!!!!!


Lesley Jansen
said

Good day,

The census is and can be extremely useful whether in long or short form to determine education requirements (ie, current level of education of Canadian children/adults may help determine employability and education needs), health care (ie, H1 N1 - amount of vaccine needed for the entire Canadian population), employment, transportation (to/from work, school, the doctor), housing needs (ie, for the elderly, the homeless, children, etc.), future food needs (ie, if there is a food shortage due to flooding, or some other disaster, how many of the population will be affected?), The age group can help determine how many persons may be eligible for the Canada Pension Plan/Old Age Security (will there be enough for future generations?) .

It is very important that people fill out the census so that government (and I will add – all levels of government) can plan to meet future needs of Canadians. And the more information the government has, the better it can plan.

Have a nice day,

Lesley Jansen




David Ottawa
said

Everyone knows you can't have a census that is voluntary -- the stats become useless. I support this man who quit -- he refuses to do a bad job!

Jacob
said

It does not really matter what form is used, just make sure that the correct data is obtained. I for one has always suspected that the number of indigenous Canadians has always been under- reported in previous censuses. If this new form is the way to go to rectify that problem, then so be it!!!


Bill
said

As they say, "If you can't stand the heat, it's time to get out of the kitchen!"


Portes
said

Good. I hate the long form it is too invasive, thank goodness it is gone. If they need the info get it from your tax return,if you file it


lee, Vancouver
said

Ah Annie, he was appointed by the conservatives....Over and over again we see posters attacking people for being Liberal appointees when in fact they were appointed by the conservatives to the position in question, eq., Elections Canada, Judge on the Kardar case.....


Bill W James@BC
said

Long Form census tracks pretty much everything in society, giving us a gauge of where we were and where were going, a very important move-forward tool.But it also keeps track of Government actions and changes to the system.My guess is with this, Ideological driven Conservative Party presently in power and their insatiable appetite to move Canada over to the Christian Right; it would best serve the Cons if no tracking census were kept at all. It’s called CYA.Received a US Long Form Census while wintering in Yuma, the US mails census forms to all addresses in the US of A. The Info. Material enclosed pointed out that participation was mandatory and that the Sheriff may visit if not completed, fair-enough, never heard any grumbling about it. The Info material also pointed out that the results would benefit all Americans and work towards building a better society for all. These are dark days for Canada with the Harper’s fundamentalist/religious conservatives.


Nick in Gatineau
said

Another dumb move by our government. If Stats Canada is going to become a 'Company' with its own revenue stream, then I want to see my income tax reduced by the amount that is currently necessary to run the 'company.' After all, Canadians do not support subsidizing corporations that do well - even in bad times. Will Harper and his cronies do this with every government institution ? Yes !!!!! No more federal Income tax !!!


Keith in Brampton
said

Another bad decision by Clement. If there really is an outcry about the long form, such as the Tories claim (without proof), then there are two correct solutions: scrap it; or do a careful parsing of the form to eliminate overly intrusive questions and any not used to set public policy. A shorter, less intrusive form would be more palatable to those required to fill it out. but making it volutary is a waste of money and a mockery of the census process.


Dan Laurin Windsor
said

The head of StatsCan is not a Liberal and this is not a partisan issue. The Long Form Census is an invaluable tool for many companies, organizations, as well as all levels of government. If this form is not mandatory the data will be skewed and we may as well not even waste any money doing it. The Harpercrites are just playing up to their secretive small minded base and do not care about good government.

David L
said

It is truly amazing how some people can blame the Liberals for everything. So many conservative Canadians are so bizarre. Even Sarah P. is somehow brilliant in comparison. What indeed does this issue have to do with Liberals?


Vince M
said

I have done a long form census. I did it because I was threatened by the government with imprisonment if I didn't. But as there was no requirement to answer the questions truthfully I answered them randomly. I think I reported I had 9 bedrooms in my apartment. What would be more accurate - a manditory long form with wrong data or the proposed voluntary long form with right data?


Bella
said

Part of the weekly misfires from this government. Keep the census intact!


Linda
said

Way to go Chris in Irishtown! I was wondering if I was the only one that saw the comparision - glad I'm not. If the census isn't mandatory anymore, I would think that jury duty won't be too far behind.


Craig
said

Huh, the Conservatives spend a lot of time complaining about how much money is being wasted, then want to spend millions more to implement a less useful survey that will get fewer completions and provide much less data to organizations and provinces that need it.Considering the very minor amount of complaints filed with Stats Can over the years about the census, how about dropping the ideological talking points and go back to the cheaper method that's been proved to work better?


V R in St Catharines, ON
said

If you suggest a long form takes too long to fill out then obviously your sense of time is awful.30 mins of time? Really people.And they are bullies? Because you had to fill out a form which states how many rooms in your house?You aren't giving out bank info so what's the deal!?You are nothing but a bunch of complainers. And if you even complain about my post, you have proven yet again you are nothing but complainers!


Norm in Alberta
said

I've had to fill in the long form in the past. It is nosey and invasive. As Trudeau once said "the nation has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" This is a country that is already way over regulated and socially engineered to be unFREE. If the StatsCan Man is unhappy ...Resign!Harper is an ideological conservative. That means the least amount of government necessary. The left-libs and dippers don't like it but in my Canada they are free to disagree.


JFJ
said

Then shut it down.


Dave in Calgary
said

Are we going to have a Civil Service left after this government is finished. Either the minister or the head of Stats Canada has to go or both.The minister to save political face has created a situation where we will be spending more money to collect the same information. Is this effective management?


Jeff from Alberta
said

I'm getting really sick of the ignorant anti-Alberta comments I always see. I am a hard working, open-minded, liberal-minded Albertan and all I ever see on news comment sites is Alberta bashing from people who have probably never even set foot in this province. The types of people we have here vary greatly wherever you travel, and there are a lot of people here from your own province that have made this their home. All you're doing is alienating us. Grow up.


Tammy
said

For all of you people complaining about being forced to fill out a long census form should understand that in the long run it is helping you, not anyone else! People should stop complaining as it's not just some random charitable organizations who look at this information rather it helps the government designate where to put YOUR tax dollars, which regions need a certain service...etc. It is ignorant to comment and complain saying that the government shouldn't be wasting your tax dollars on this form as anyone who has taken a basic stats course would tell you that in order to get representative data, you need an unbiased and unskewed data set. The only people who would voluntarily fill it out would be the educated/high SES pariticpants who understand that it is useful for them. We would then get back data only from certain populations and in the end it won't help out the people who do need these services. This conservative gov't has got to go if they do this!!


Linda in Vancouver
said

I think all the groups that use this data should pay for the collection of it.It should not be paid for out of general revenue.Especially at a time when the economy is so tough.Saving tax dollars is a necessity.But one that should be done without cutting a whole bunch of essential social programs. If the reliability of voluntary forms is uncertain to some people,they should do a test run during on census.Send our mandatory forms to some people,voluntary forms to others,and compare the statistics gathered by each.Tax payers should not be funding programs that have limited value.While I do not think this mandatory long form serves us well,I am open to a compromise that will offer us proof,one way or the other. But I really think the government is more right, than wrong on this one.And the more they keep their noses out of my personal business,the more I like it.Real peace and real freedom is a lot more than an absence of war or living outside of a prison cell.


Doug On
said

Oh my, the Ottawa mandarins and Liberal cash-for-life bureaucrats are up in arms again. They seem to forget that the government can ask for a detailed census any time it wants to. We don't need this data bank forever prying into our personal lives for the benefit of special interest groups. Why is it that Liberals in departments such as this one, Elections Canada, and the Parliament Budget Office, etc., seem to think that they have some special entitlement to inject themselves into the political process. Why don't they just do do their job and keep quiet as they are sworn to do. But then I guess we wouldn't have had the benefit of Richard Colvin's explosive second-hand rumours.


James T
said

Darth Sweater Vest strikes again!!! Without tangible information on the demographics of the country, future conservatives will have a much wider range of detrimental options to pick from as they use the Dark Side to cloud our judgement.


charlie
said

Whether the head of Stats Can is right or wrong, he still is a public servant obligated to carry out the government's decisions once they have been made. If he cannot, in good conscience, do that, then he goes. If the end result is a government-instigated calamity, the voters can weigh in on that at election time. NO public servant has the right to dictate to the government - they advise and then the chips fall where they may. While the bureaucracy may well be correct, and the political level may well be wrong, that is not the way the system works. The power to make decisions, and take the responsibility for them, is rightly at the elected level. The often cozy relationship between the mandarins and the ministers of recent years, where empires within the public service were built at great cost to the taxpayer, and where it was sometimes unclear just who was making the decisions, has to stop. There have been many instances of public servants taking their cases "public" in recent years, often through those infamous "sources" quoted in the media, but never identified. Sorry, folks, the Ministers are the ones making the decisions (that;'s why they are elected) and who are responsible if things go wrong.


Mike
said

people really are afraid of government? the way things are going these days we need to be more afraid of the corporation ruling our lives. There is no democracy when corporations and money determine statistics and for that matter policy. Individualism/pure capitalism is going down the same road as communism. The recent financial crisis is evidence of this. Stop being so afraid of government. A one answer solution to all problems (either capitalist or socialist) will destroy any country. Wake up Canada!


Faye in SK
said

I am saddened by the fact that census will not be mandatory, whether it be a long one or a short one. I am currently tracing my families' genealogy; past census documents have been one of the most useful sources of information when trying to trace my family tree. Also, how will our Government make informed decisions when they no longer have accurate data that reflects the public that they apparently represent? People seem to be whining and forgetting that democracy is about each of us as individuals have the right to impact the big picture. When decision makers no longer know who our country's individuals are, we will get policy and direction that no longer reflect the diversity of our people. Perhaps the process does not need to be long and invasive, but simply shorter and higher level. Perhaps our government of the day is no longer interested in knowing about the people that they are mandated to serve. Seems impersonal to me!


Ryan
said

Are we still talking about the census? Wow summer time sure is boring.


LDL in ONT
said

If the decision to abolish the mandatory long form census is so scandalous as the media reports it to be, then lets put it to a vote. We'll call it a General Election just for fun. Then maybe Harper can get his majority and finally start running the country without all the self serving monkeys on his back.


Dan
said

Whether or not you agree with the voluntary filling of the long form, you will have to agree that Clement is not being totally honest about what has transpired.Don't expect the conservatives to back-down on this one. I don't think Average Canadian cares much about this issue. Then again, I didn't think Average Canadian would care much about poroguing parliment during the Olympics.


a bit suprised
said

i'm not sure why the government, which is a regulatory body.... and is good... needs to know the more subjective details of a person's family life?


Brian Fr Langley
said

For those of you supporting the long form census. My guess is that you have never been asked to fill one out. Like most good socialists as long as its somebody else being asked to foot the bill or do the Govts. bidding its okay by you.


Smith
said

Why mandatory long form? Let's say (for arguments sake) people with blonde hair like doing surveys, and people with brown hair hate surveys. From the voluntary results of the survey the government can likely conclude that all Canadians are blonde and no Canadian is brunette. Policies created based on these results would ignore a large group of Canadians.


Intelligent Liberal
said

Harper should resign rather than the Stats Can guy since Stats Can NEEDS detailed information about Canadians for their DATABASE. How else will the government know how to assess people's dangerous activities like gun possession or religious beliefs or drinking problems at home?Harper has gone to far this time with his control freaks, Canadians deserve to be able to give the Liberal Government all the information it needs to help Canadians with their family issues and product purchasing especially junk food.


Edb(Hamilton)
said

Privacy Act 4. No personal information shall be collected by a government institution unless it relates directly to an operating program or activity of the institution. 1980-81-82-83, c. 111, Sch. II "4". Is there a specific program or activity that requiresintimate knowledge of citizens' homes, hours of unpaid work or who does the family shopping?"Privacy protection is based on the notion that people have a right to control their personal information: to know why it is being collected, how it will be used, how long it will be kept, and who will have access to it. Use of information for purposes other than those for which it was collected should be subject to consent."Privacy Commissioner of Canada February 2000Has any citizen who's filled out a census form (long or short) ever been asked for consent to release their personal information to any of these organizations now decrying the fact that the long form is no longer mandatory?


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
said

While I am a Conservative supporter and I understand how difficult it is to govern with the foolish,policyless Liberals in opposition and the socialist NDP nipping at their heels I am annoyed at the way Harper implements policy and his lack of communication skills. There seems to be an attitude in the Conservative party that does not allow for any advice from others to be considered. This attitude is, in my mind,a fatal flaw. At some point either Iggy will become more politically astute or the Fibs will dump him and get a more electable leader. When that time comes I believe Harper will face the possibility of defeat in a Federal election. I think Harper is a very talented individual but his ego seems too large to accept that he needs a dose of humility and needs to "LISTEN" to others. It is time for the Conservatives to consider another leader; perhaps someone with better people skills who can build teams not just intimidate his cohorts.Jim Prentice is probably that person and he deserves a chance to work for a majority that Harper seems unable to achieve. I will, of course, continue to vote Conservative because the thought of the Liberals returning to power actually makes me feel physically ill and the NDP would destroy this country with their pro-union socialist ideas.


Steve
said

Cool Can I apply. I need a high paying goverment job .


Shortform only
said

What the government takes into account for census should be nothing more than the bare minimum of knowing how many people live where and for how long. The other info should be left to a marketing firm who then can charge for the info, thus ridding us tax payers of the need of funding all this marketing info and giving it away for nothing. I had to do the long form last time, and I did not like doing it.


Chuck
said

I would have thought that Conservative MPs would have a good understanding of statistics (including sources of error and bias) given how much time they spend looking at opinion polls! :) So it surprises me that they think that a voluntary census would give the same results as a mandatory census. Actually, I think that they do understand the differences, which is why the criticism that they are doing this to penalize the disadvantaged may be accurate. So either they don't understand the math (incompetent) or choose to ignore it (intellectually dishonest).


Rob
said

Stats Canada has been to intrusive and down right bullies. They will get little support from adverage Canadians. Cons made a good call with this one.Count your pets, count your rooms, count your underwear, and register your guns, Federal Liberal Central Control and Command demands it!


Dayton
said

I'm sure you can be easily replaced . Probably at half the pay. Goodbye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.


bill in ottawa
said

Do any of you public service bashers understand how our gov system works? Public servants ADVISE (when asked) ANY government that is in power. Their role is be NEUTRAL. I dare ask if any CTV posters understand the word non-partisan - but seriously, do you? This man is the head of one of our most important agencies, the one supporting decision making - from where to put a landfill to how to combat inflation - for the last 100 years! And now he is VOLUNTARILY thinking of leaving his post due to the embarrassment of having to face the public due to this whole FARCE. Scott in Montreal has it right, people. Wake the f up, sheeple!


Chris, Irishtown NL
said

How about voluntary jury duty? And don't say its different - its civic responsibility in a progressive society. We can clearly see Harpers agenda is to trim government no matter the usefulness of the department, service or whatever only in the name of the right wing nuts - we can see how it'll turn out by looking south - an ineffective, knee jerk decision-making, beauracratic mess.Oh, and how will Harper get his stats going forward? The same place he found his evolutionary theory.


Kevin in Vancouver
said

First lets just say that the only accurate source for the crime statistics we read about are from the actual police records.I gues I'd resign too if I lost my power to imprison or fine Canadians that I deemed uncooperative.Also he will have a much slimmer command now.Poor Guy!!!!!!


Havelock Heavy
said

Census data is important to Canada and filling out a 'long' report is not to onerus a task. Please Mr. Harper, reconsider, do the right thing for the benefit of all Canadians into the future and bring back the long form.


NS
said

Let's cut some of this Liberal red tape, and throw it out! Why does the goverment need to know how many rooms are in every's home? Waste of OUR tax dollars! Get rid of it!


pdm39
said

The census is done in virtually every country in the world. It provides extremely valuable data on education, health care, religion, etc that can be used by governments (federal, provincial and municipal) to plan for the future. Sending a voluntary long form to increased numbers means we may get no response thereby eliminating 1/3 of all Canadians. It is important that all Canadians be included in the census. Ina ddition to government program planning and budgeting the data can be used to attract new industry based on education and training, health care services can be planned based on geographic information of populations and so on. The government needs to be more consultative in its approach. Making this decision without the input of Stats Canada is ridiculous and insulting to professionals at the agency.


John, Halifax, NS
said

Even Palin in the US gave up on the idea of a voluntary census because the stats were too important upon researching it....but hey Harper said no research needed, I'm the man let's do it, and destroyed yet another Canadian sector. Bravo Harper bravo, next step the State of Canada, and you can blame only Albertans for it.


iskewa
said

The problem with it being voluntary is that inherently some groups will not be represented.No matter how many dog owners you survey, you will never be able to tell how many have cats!


Dennis Guthrie
said

Oh what a cry baby. "I didn't get my way so I'm thinking of quitting." Grow up - your boss (Mr. Harper) makes the decisions - you can either do as you are told or you should be fired. There should be no laws that force any Canadians to fill in any survey. My personal info is private and no one has the right to force me to answer questions. Last time I checked this was a free country.


reidjr
said

Scott in Montreal
I hope you apply your bashing to the ontario liberals as well there just as bad if not worse.


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

The "long form " census will still be used but we will no longer "be forced" to fill it out ! I do not understand why the opposition parties want to "force Canadians" to fill out the long form census!Those who receive the long form next year will have the "right" to refuse but it looks like there will be more then enough who will "voluntarily" fill out the long census form.During my lifetime I have filled out two census long forms that as far as I was concerned , asking far too many questions. I did not feel comfortable about "being forced" to fill them out.It makes one wonder if the opposition gets in power what else will we be "forced" to do, think about this come election time !


iskewa in ottawa
said

Statistics Canada has long enjoyed a much needed "arms-length" relationship with the federal government. Although it is technically true that Statistics Canada reports to a minister, they have never been subjected to political involvement like this!
While goverments employ an election to election view and mindset, Statistics Canada requires the tools and authority to collect from and report on the country as a whole. Part of that responsability is to have comparable and representative data.No rationale, other than privacy concerns, has been provided to suggest that this move is anything other than political postering to the conservatives "old-school" base.You cannot run a country like you would an election campaign.


Acroyear
said

While I agree with the Cons decision on this one I don't like the way they are implying it was with his consent and help when clearly it wasn't. The shear level of shock at Stats Can (which warms my heart, I must say, time for the bureaucratic bully boys of Canada to get a blood nose I say) prove they were simply not expecting this. Hey Clement... you, as one of the leaders of this land made a decision. Fair enough, that's what you're paid to do. But either knuckle in and back off, or stand by your guns...don't drag this guy into it. And while I'm sure this man has worked hard...I also don't like the implied threat...reverse the decision or I leave. Then leave...you might not like, you have the right to refuse and go find a new job...but no bureaucrat should have the power to over his minister or hold him hostage. Of course the completely sane solution would be to compromise, remove the questions that fire up people blood (like number of bedrooms, religion, ethnic background, etc) but keep it as it was otherwise. But this is the Parliament we're taking about... sane and sober rounds of working together are about as common as the blue moon.


Scott in Montreal
said

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Whether it is the head of the Nuclear Safety agency, the Parliamentary Budget Officer, or the head of Statistics Canada, the Harper government will bulldoze over anyone who gets in their way. Stand up for Canada? - my eye, we can't stand up for access to information, the environment or human rights without getting sniped by the Cons. Way to go Harper - keep on steamrolling' our democracy to oblivion!


Shane
said

The voluntary short form census will only tell us one thing & that's, how many people like to fill out census, 90% of them will be thrown in the garbage. News like the crime rate is still going down & has been on a general decline since 1991 is information Harper would like us to know nothing about, so he can dictate to Canadians.


RK in MB
said

This whole things stinks beyond words. Maxime Bernier said he got thousands of complaints but didn't keep any. Tony Clement says he recieves complaints everyday but can't produce a redacted document of just one! Stats Can is being blamed for this but they say they weren't asked. The only thing I know for sure is that the coersive government Mr. Clement is talking about is the PC minority government we have right now. "No need to justify anything, we know we are right and I have spoken words to add proof" says the imbecile minister. (paraphrased, obviously). The US tried it and abandoned the idea once they realized it will produce poor data. Stephen Harper and his croonies need to go sooner rather than later.


dean in NL
said

i stand behind the minister on this one. i have filled out the long form and found it to be intrusive at the very least and offensive in its manner on the whole. the very fact that there was a virtual gun to my head in the matter was insulting to me and to the many men and women who fought to give me the freedoms i am supposed to enjoy and pass to my children. prying, invasive questions from an agency with the power to charge and fine me for non compliance sits right up there with "papers, have your papers ready for the good of the state. comrade" make the disclosure of this type of information voluntary, the special intrest can look to their real numbers to lobby for services if these people are so motivated they can make their voices known instead of using my tax dollars to beat and twist the numbers to make a case for what ever pet project they advocate for.


Mark Smith (Montreal, PQ)
said

Short form census to gauge demographics across the country is something useful for the government. Long form census that asks absurd industry-related questions should be funded by the industry that needs to know this.


Anne Smith
said

Of course, the head of the census is a good liberal at the top of a tree that needs to be cut down. The short form is fine and more people will oblige.


Bill in BC
said

For the sin of forgetting who is in charge( not the mandarins in the public service): discharged without references. Move on, you are through. And let all public servants remember that they do not set policy, thier role is to impliment it. Period.


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