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Karla Homolka in St. Catharines, Ont., on July 6, 1993. (Frank Gunn / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews speaks about legislation regarding pardons following party caucus meetings on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Wednesday June 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Karla Homolka Karla Homolka

Parties reach deal to avert Homolka pardon

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CTV National News: Robert Fife on the deal
The idea that notorious sex killer Karla Homolka could be eligible for a pardon had many Canadians outraged. Homolka will be eligible to apply for a pardon next month, but now MPs from all parties have agreed to change the rules to make sure that never happens.
CTV News Channel: Public Safety Minister Vic Toews
While he wouldn't detail the specifics of the bill, Toews said that on the critical elements of the bill to prevent notorious criminals from receiving a pardon, there is an agreement.
CTV News Channel: Tim Danson, victims' lawyer
The lawyer for the French and Mahaffy families, says they are distressed that Karla Homolka could apply for a pardon as early as July, which could allow her to do things like adopt a child or work at a daycare if she is pardoned.
CTV Calgary: Elissa Carpenter on the deal
A last minute deal by parliament means Karla Homolka is no longer eligible to apply for a pardon.
CTV News Channel: Toews and Boisvenu speak
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews and Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu speak following caucus meetings and they emphasized the urgency to pass a bill that would deny pardons to some of the most violent offenders, including murderers and some sex offenders.
CTV News Channel: Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff
Ignatieff says that while any Liberal is horrified at the possibility of a convicted sex offender getting a pardon he will not rush to support a bill changing the pardon system as they must do due diligence.

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Karla Homolka in St. Catharines, Ont., on July 6, 1993. (Frank Gunn / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews speaks about legislation regarding pardons following party caucus meetings on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Wednesday June 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Karla Homolka Karla Homolka

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Why don't they temporarily suspend all pardons until the Bill is in place and running?

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MPs look for ways to derail Homolka pardon bid

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Parties reach deal to avert Homolka pardon

Date: Wed. Jun. 16 2010 11:05 PM ET

The government and opposition parties have reached a deal to keep convicted sex killer Karla Homolka from receiving a criminal pardon.

Homolka would have been eligible to apply for a pardon as early as July 5, and MPs have been scrambling to find a way to keep her potential application from being granted.

At a news conference on Wednesday evening, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the Tories and the opposition parties had reached a last-minute agreement to push pardon reforms through before the Commons closes for the summer on Thursday.

"We essentially have a deal with the Bloc and the New Democrats," he said. "The Liberals are looking at a couple of details but I think on the essential components of an agreement, we will proceed forward with a bill."

Toews said he could not provide specific information on the new legislation, but he described it as a "compromise effort" to pass pardon-reform legislation before the House is adjourned for the summer.

Responding to a question, Toews said he believes that a person convicted of offenses such as Homolka's would not likely qualify for a pardon, if the proposed bill is passed.

"This is an issue that is much greater than one person," he said.

The proposed bill would prevent people convicted of certain crimes from applying for a pardon for a specified number of years, Toews said. It would also give the National Parole Board discretion to deny a pardon request.

Under the agreement, Toews said MPs would vote on a piece of legislation that has been "split off" from Bill C-23, which was introduced by the Tories in May and would bar those convicted of serious violent or sexual crimes from applying for a pardon.

The NDP and Bloc Quebecois oppose some of the measures included in Bill C-23.

"Like a lot of the government's legislation, it mowed down everything in its wake," NDP public safety critic Don Davies said on CTV's Power Play.

As an example, he said Bill C-23 proposed that anyone who has more than three indictable offenses would be barred from receiving a pardon.

"That's the old American three-strikes-you're-out approach that even American states are rejecting now because it works injustices," he said.

Bill C-23 will now be taken up by the House in the fall, Toews said.

Meanwhile, MPs are expected to vote on the new pardons bill on Thursday.

Homolka received a 12-year manslaughter sentence in a plea-bargain deal for taking part in the rape-murders of teens Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French. Videotapes found after the sentencing showed her to be a more active participant.

Her release from jail in 2005 sparked nationwide outrage.

Tim Danson, the lawyer for the Mahaffy and French families, said news that Homolka may have been ready to seek a pardon for her horrific crimes was disturbing.

"On a personal level, it's very emotional the words Karla Homolka and pardon come up in the same sentence," he said for the families. "They are pretty anxious about what's going on."

Danson said the families are pragmatic about the government trying to speed up the passage of their bill in response to Homolka.

"They accept you don't make public policy based on one individual," he said. "This is something that requires careful debate."

With files from The Canadian Press

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garybrogan
said

no way a killer should be out of jail what she did to these people . that person should be behid bars all her life


Gary
said

Finally something I agree with the government on and something they can all agree.

A no brainer and a step in the right direction


Mikey
said

Think of how quick all the MP's pushed this through to save all their jobs!!! Sure they did the right thing, but it was mostly due to the fact that they didn't want to be the poeple who let her go!!!Imagine what they could do with the rest of backed up bills in parliament if their careers were on the line every time!!


Paul
said

Thank you to the 1972 Liberal Party for changing the rules of the Canadian Legal system so that the criminal gets preferential treatment over the victim. (look it up). You wonder why things are so screwy? Thank Mr. Trudeau.


Rob
said

The only pardon for serious crimes that were commited is a total life sentence so they never see the outside ever again. What about the victims they serving a life sentence with the loss of loved ones. Typical Canadian justice the criminals are looked after more than the victims. Who are they trying to protect?


ian
said

To Bill in Ottawa. Answer me this. How is refusing someone like Homolka a Pardon going to keep people in jail longer? You have to be offence/conviction free for 3 to 5 years, depending on your last offence, before you are elligible. This law will have no effect on sentencing guidelines. I'm sure you know this but it was an opportunity to take another jab at Harper.


ian
said

It's easy to see what Niagara George thinks of the Conservatives. I have no Idea what he means about retroactive though. Until she even is elligible to apply for her Pardon the law can be passed and the Supreme Court can't say anything about it. There is nothing retroactive about that at all. These anti Conservative commenters always fail to read the article completely before taking their shots at Harper. I heard Iggy on the radio today blaming Harper for how long this is taking, when in fact it is the NDP and the BLOC (as usual) who are stalling. Iggy knows this but is taking his usual cheap shots at Harper.


Jo
said

Thank god this disgusting waste of skin is not getting her pardon. Why would she want one? She killed her own sister in a disgusting sex act.


Rhonda Gribbins
said

Personally I think Karlas punishment was a joke.. as do most people.. she should have had to share a cell with Bernardo for the rest of her life.. I think that would be a special kind of hell.. as he is a sadistic mess... but she struck a deal giving the police Paul and minimizing her involvement.. I think she killed the girls and as for a pardon... if she did get it.. what good would it do her now? She's an infamous murdering rapist.. she cant escape her past with a piece of paper!!!


Ella
said

Anyone has criminal record should not allow to apply a pardon for the rest of the life. They broke the law and have criminal record and it's the fact. We need justice.


Ian
said

People who make comments like Reece obviously know absolutely nothing about our current Federal Prison system. Inmates have more benefits and opportunities than the average law abiding Canadian on the outside. Things like Free University, job training, psychological counselling not to mention free room and board. Those that go to a Federal prison are there for two years or more, for a good reason. they have comitted a sertious crime that deserves a stiff penalty. When they read comments like reece's they must be laughing their heads off on how naiive some people are.


Syl
said

Homolka should never have gotten out of prison and she should certainly never get a pardon. The only way most criminals should ever get a pardon is if they are subsequently found 'not guilty'.


Interesting commentary here
said

So many different perspectives make for an interesting discussion. To the person who commented that she no longer lives in Canada-how could she possibly live in any other country? She has a criminal record so the only way to get to live in another country is to lie and deceive with a fake identification-are we to believe that she pulled that off?Reece-really, you should read your own posts-you put forth a lot of bold statements but you don't support them with facts. I am not sure where your ideas come from but people that commit purely evil acts, as did Ms Homolka are pretty high risk to be in any community. She murdered her own sister-think about that for awhile, then moved on to the lovely young teens she murdered. All she needs is another Paul Bernardo to hook up with. It is fortunate that the horrible tapes were never made public for the families sake, yet if people like you Reece, saw them, you might start to rethink your postings and gather more information to inform yourself. Oh yes and the China thing-give it up-conspiracy theories are great for books and movies but this is real life.


Jason P
said

As usual the Reece's out there devoid of an argument and logic support the criminals. Here's the perspective they continue to miss: let's put them next door to you and your kids. 'nuff said, pretty sure Reece would be at the front of a public backlash to complain.


KingstonGuy
said

I used to live in Kingston when Ms Homolka was incarcerated in the Prison for Women (when it still existed). I knew some Prison Guards who worked there or who managed her transport from time to time. These Guards were pretty hardened people and they told me stories about Ms Homolka. One Guard's story stuck with me. This Guard was a big statured man with more than a decade and a half of on the job experience. He told me that although Homolka was a slight-framed woman, and quite striking in appearance, her eyes were described as " cold gates to hell". He could not look into her eyes as it just "creeped him out". He stated there was something deeply and unnaturally evil (his words) about her. He also stated most guards were quite uncomfortable around her. Not physically uncomfortable, but on a different level.




WDK
said

Pardon? What the heck. Guess Clifford will be getting paroled and pardoned soon. Where is the death penalty bill?


Jim - CGY
said

This is one of Canada's biggest mistakes ever, she never should have had the deal in the first place.
Now we pay the price, if she is entitlied, she should be allowed to apply.
If she actually gets a pardon then she should be placed on Parliment Hill working with the other Politicians that are above the Laws of this Great Land.

Pay her well, she is a public figure !!!! Doh !!!!!


Nella in Pickering
said

You don't give a pardon to someone who masterminds the killings of 2 young women. The the prosecutor stated Paul Bernardo was the Scarborough rapist as they found out later that he was not involved in any killings until he met Karla. Karla also stated in a T.V interview admitting that they needed to go to her parents for Easter dinner and Paul stated just to leave the girls here at the house in Port Dalhouse and Karla said no they might get away, so she said we have to get rid of them now. Kristen French was found dead on my birthday April 30th, 1992, I can never forget that date and a tear went down my face when I heard they found Kristen French in a Burlington Ditch dead and Leslie Mahafey was found in a River encased in concrete. Those girls never had a second chance and Karla wants a pardon. Well as they say, she made her deal with the devil. We will just assume that it will come back to her one day and hopefully soon.


Mark
said

[ignorant comment] followed by [ignorant emotion filled comments] followed by [pathetic political spin]This is the recipe for a conservative talking point. Substitute emotion filled comment for fear mongering on occasion. I can pick these people out of a hay stack. Do you really believe this country should change it's laws because of one despicable person, who has the tiniest possibility of getting a pardon for their terrible crimes? I pity the victims families, but what can you do about it? Change the system so every inmate is jailed or punished for their crime indefinitely? Not on my dollar we wont.


simon in Montreal
said

Why can this Government not write up a Bill, as simple as this one ought to be, WITH CLARITY? Amazing!!!


gizahgin
said

Where has the urgency been on this for the last couple of months? It seems this Government is always in crisis mod.


Alan Alfred
said

Our government in it's usual screw up. Lets make everyone a descriminated crimnal for life even if they have served their sentence. There is no need for any new laws. This case is simple; have the pardon board deny here application. Duuuuu. Just another move by the federal government to limit the citizens of Canada.


Sharon in North York
said

Given the pure evil she and her husband committed, she should never have been allowed to see the light of day let alone pardoned. Spare nothing to stop her bid.But, as to this Bill, we all know what happens with Bills of this importance when not fully vetted -- we miss the fine print and then pay afterwards.


Extemd Parlament.
said

Since the conservatives already gave parlament a vacation during the election, why not extend parlament to make up for the lost time?


Mac
said

We must always be compassionate and try to help-rehabilitate etc etc... BUT ...............walk a mile in the victim's shoes - let alone two feet - and the 'goody-two-shoes' might take a step back and realize that hard line is the only option... people like Homolka should never have been given a deal - and NOR should she EVER receive a pardon... she may have completed her jail sentence but not her moral one... that is a lifetime one... ( I shudder about the safety of her child !)


Steph
said

I know I will have all the hollier than thou screaming at me for saying this but: How about bringing back the death penalty? Seriously, if all the facts are lined up, even if the person was previously convicted and received a candy penalty, just retrialed them and give them a stiffer sentence, even if it means the death penalty.Steph


Mel Blake
said

Of course the MPs could always delay going on their summer vacations to get this done. They could schedule a week's delay in recessing, devote it completely to this issue, get it done and then go on vacation. It seems like a simple solution. We expect the NDP to be soft on crime, but the Liberal position just seems petulant.


Adam
said

It was the liberal governments of the past that were soft on crime to begin with. Let us never forget that! Liberals have been on the side of the criminal for a long time and that is why we now have a problem with offenders walking the streets free to re-offend.


Wendy
said

The majority of employers don't do a criminal records check, it's easy to get a waiver to travel even with a criminal record. The police don't keep tabs on criminals, so what does a pardon do? Not much. Many people that have a pardon still have to get a waiver to travel & if they re-offend the criminal record is re-opened. A person with a pardon has a criminal record for the rest of his life. So what is Harper going to change? The police don't keep tabs on criminals & a person with a pardon has a criminal record for the rest of his life. You've been scammed nothing needs changing.


Paul
said

Nice of the NDP and Liberals to stall a much needed and long overdue bill in order to presue their political gains. Either that or maybe they want her pardoned so they can hire her as a party whip or something.


Observer
said

@Reece. What a bunch of convoluted nonesense....society shouldnt change laws to avoid the financial burden involved? I personally would rather pay for changes to the law that will keep me safe with my money and not with the lives of innocent people! As for YOUR cliched claim about the ineffectiveness of tough on crime policies south of the border, take time to inform yourself, the USA is experiencing the lowest crime rates since the 1960s (especially in the category of violent crime), which can be contributed in no small part to the fact that more dangerous criminals are behind bars where they belong. Breaking down public safety to dollars and cents is ludicrous, while somehow finding a way to mix in China and national security is just plain bizarre!

Pat in Mississauga
said

Karla Homolka should not receive a pardon, ever, ever, ever. The request must be turned down. Get on with the change to the law. Less talk, more action required. You are playing with fire NDP and Libs. We will be a very angry bunch if she gets this pardon.


MR - Yellowknife
said

I find it really sad that this is even up for debate - Why do violent criminals deserve a second chance - their victims don't get one...


Samual
said

Wow! The public is not too bright, this is the political joke of the year! Most employers don't ask for a criminal records check & a waiver is a simple solution to travel anywhere. A pardon in the first place is a joke because you still have a criminal record. The police don't keep tabs on people with a criminal record & if a person commits a crime after he has been pardoned his criminal record is re-opened. This is politicians making brownie points with the ignorant people that thrive on the fear mongering. A pardon doesn't really do much for the criminal, changing it from a pardon to criminal suspension are words that mean the same thing or nothing. It has always been once you have a criminal record you always have a criminal record, a pardon does little for the criminal he still has a criminal record & the dangerous ones are flagged. The system we have works fine.


Sandra Stewart
said

Darling Karla has had more breaks than any murderer deserves. As a country and a society we need to draw the line and say NO, never again will we allow this woman to make a mockery of Justice. Millions firmly believe rather than receiving a minimal sentance, being allowed to receive a "free" university degree thousands or tens of thousand of young adults would dearly love, getting day parole, anonimity, getting married and having children this monster should be behind bars for the rest of her natural life. I vote NO WAY and if the government allows it to happen I will vote them out of office!!


Whitehorse Will
said

So we have the families of the victims understanding that you don't make public policy based on isolated individuals but we have the neo cons pushing through legislation based on sensationalism.. Makes you wonder about the quality of leadership they are displaying


keitht
said

unfortunately, as someone else said, it is not so easy as just denying the pardon. Last year 800 of 40,000 pardons were rejected - that is a paltry sum of 2%. 2% of all pardon applications in Canada were rejected last year. There is something wrong with the system. This is not the only case that has spurred them to want them to do something - remember Graeme James - the convicted sex offender of hockey players - was granted a pardon. The system is broken and needs fixing.


Anne M
said

Karla Homulka is living in the Carribean, enjoying the sunshine and beaches, while her 3 victims are lying six feet below the ground. This should be enough to deny her a pardon for the rest of her life. She has already taken Canadians as suckers, which they are to have given her such a light sentence.


Marg Alberta
said

Her pardon would probably be denied by the parole board if there was a justified reason. A criminal record doesn't affect a persons life much anyways. A pardon only helps a person that applies for a job & a criminal record check is required & traveling to the US. A person with a criminal record can still get a wavier to the US & most jobs don't ask for a criminal record check. The cons want to change the wording from pardon to suspension of criminal record. The system the way it is already flags a pardon for public safety. This is more of the Harper super do nothing government wasting our tax dollars. A 60 billion dollar deficit the up coming fake lake 3 day party. Shame on you Steven Harper. Why are you trying to ruin our great country?


Golfgal7
said

I truly believe whoever is involved with the possibility of this dreadful woman (who was involved in her own sisters death) being pardoned, should be put in charge of having her live with them and their children. I will bet they would think hard == like has been said, 'JUST SAY NO"!! However, it was a severe injustice and mockery to those beautiful young girls, when the lesser sentence and then parole was given to her. Those involved should be so very ashamed of themselves.


Rebly
said

I agree with Reece in part, but that the bill is intended to prevent "those convicted of serious violent or sexual crimes" from applying for a pardon takes it out of the realm of dealing with "run of the mill" prisoners. There's an obvious difference between someone stealing a car and someone murdering schoolgirls. I don't understand why there wouldn't already be a Bill preventing this type of thing. She can't be the first to try for it.


Corrie AB
said

Hands down....NO NO NO NO we all know what she is and what she did. It may not have been her alone but as the mother of a child sexually assaulted, NO. This will clear her record will it not? Is there sincere remorse?? I don't think so. Every person who has been in prison can be "born again".Who cares, she killed three girls including her own sister. This is a big joke that she is even allowed this "priviilege" My heart goes out to the families involved, how hard this must be for them.


sandy NS
said

The NDP are nuts! but The bloc is able to hold up a bill for the whole of Canada is wrong, very wrong!! I am getting tired of the tail wagging the dog( to quote danny Williams)


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Dr. M: True enough. I/we remember the "raccoon eyes" photo submitted by the defense at trial as evidence that sweet Karla was a victim herself who, with her cute infectious smile, good looks, and radiant blonde hair, couldn't possibly be an equally-responsible raper and murderer of innocent females. Yep. Duped.


Isabelle Watson
said

Homolka is as guilty of murder as Bernardo, as she had the opportunity to let the girl go. They took the lives of two beautiful girls, who would have made contributions to society, not just by murder, but torture as well. Think of the evil, devious way she entrapped the girl and think of the Christine's parents. If a society pardons the unpardonable, then she has fooled all the best minds.


Save Canada
said

Once again the Conservatives/Harper are using the murder of two young girls for shameless political gains, does Harper and convicted criminal Vic Towes( he had an affair while married with a young girl and she had his child) have no shame. And yes the parole board can simply denie her request, no new law is nedded.


Old Ted
said

Pardon's shouldn't even be allowed for murderers, molesters, and rapists. In any sane society, she would have been put out of our misery.


Rick
said

It is easy enough to say NO! to her. With other serious offenders, again say NO. However what incentive is there to live a clean, honest and productive life, support the economy as a good consumer if the ability to seek a pardon is removed?


Richard in Ontario
said

Do the Hug a Thug Liberals really want to stop this pardon from happening? As one of their member said a few years ago.. "We want to rehabilitate rather than incarcerate. What a joke. Look forward to the day our Justice system work sfor the victims rather than the criminals.


Jim in the West
said

Bill in Ottawa is smarter than most folks in that city. Like his master, Vic is playing us for fools. Also he like his master, he knows his audience.


julie
said

Just because she applies doesnt mean she will get it....JUST SAY NO....


BABE
said

This woman shouldn't get a parden SHE FREAKEN KILLED HER OWN SISTER. That is reason enough. Those other 2 girls would have been my age. The all missed out Graduating having familys of their own b/c KH and PB killed them. Anyone who kill like that shouldn't get a parden.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

It's sad that we can't rely on the bureaucratic nibs in charge of issuing pardons to levy a sensible and rational judgment. Who are these individuals? Let's hear more about these "secret agents" squirreled away who can't be trusted to stamp "DENIED" on applications, and require a major federal legislative exercise to dampen their liberal foolishness.


beverly - alberta
said

They expect 16 yr old kids with raging hormones to "just say no". Can we teach that concept to the pardon people??.......it's just that simple!


Catherine Amesbury
said

This bill needs to pass ASAP without questions. It's long overdue and the danger to our society, is bad enough without more dangerous criminals in our midst. To all naysayers-have them installed as your next-door-neighbour and then stil say nay!Cate in Ottawa


AL
said

How utterly disgusting!!! I am of the understanding that the NDP & Blocare holding the process of passing the bill to stop bottom feeders like Homalka from getting a pardon. What are these elected imbeciles not understanding in letting this scum wander free on the streets with all the freedoms and privledges of those of us that thave chosen to live a crime free life?? It's just a matter of time before Homalka finds a dim witted companion to help her do what she has done previously with her soul mate Paul Bernardo or perhaps something even worse!! The Canadian justice system needs an overhaul and quickly!!


shane
said

Part of the plea bargain's conditions was that homolka did not directly cause the death of any of the victims. But yet after the tapes were found low and behold...there was homolka holding to her sister's mouth a cloth soaked in halothane....which was the cause of her death. This was not revealed by Homolka herself in her plea bargain testimony but rather left to be discovered when the tapes were given to authorities. I have never understood why this did not in itself negate the plea bargain. Its a crock to say that it would have destroyed the plea bargain process. Those 2 are monsters and public opinion would have readily accepted this reversal. Shame there was no political will to represent the values of lawful Canadians. Disgusting in fact.


M.M.B. Ont
said

Now the MPs are scrambling. Why was this bill not dealth with as it was introduced instead of being left on the back burner. Oh, let me guess, the possible torture of Afghan prisoner took priority ! Karla Homolka should never be pardoned for her crimes and the answer should be without a doubt NO to her application. If her request is not denied, then we know that there is indeed something wrong with our system and it shows that criminals have more rights than victims and innocent citizens.


Bill in BC
said

Parden? No Bloody Way! She should also face rape and murder sharges for what she did to her sister! Anyone who thinks she deserves a second chance is deluded and on drugs; you CANNOT EVER rehabilitate a sexual preditor!


Catwoman 37
said

This is insane! They should have left some time to deal with all these issues.Well, I guess we all know what happens when we have a govt that shuts down from doing business.If the govt never prorogued, this matter would have been dealt with by now.


Lianne
said

I knew one of the mothers in this case and I have to say how heart breaking for them. This will never end. To give her a pardon dismisses what she did. She does not have the right to work or to have the life she has now. She was a part of taking two lives for sure that they know of. I watched the agonizing days after the one girl was found and my god anyone that considers giving her this should give their head a shake. Carla is and always will be a killer in my eyes.


Elizabeth, Ontario
said

For the French and Mahaffy families I pray the legislation is approved by parliament in time to prevent this woman from receiving a pardon for her horrific crimes.


Diana
said

Just say NO...No pardon, NO!!Sex offenders should not receive a pardon under any circumstances!! NO NO NO


Anne Crozier
said

I would imagine the step between APPLYING for and GETTING a pardon is a very big one. Apply she might; get, I would hope, she would not.


Graeme
said

Jim in Ottawa, the problem is whoever grants the pardon has laws to follow. I'm sure if there is a loophole or a way they can legally justify denying the pardon, they will. But it may be under the circumstances (legally, she can't be considered a murderer, unfortunately), they have no choice. I don't know the rules enough to say, but in a democratic country, laws must be followed. As for the main story, while I don't know what the NDP or Bloc have problems with, generally speaking I don't like the idea of rushing legislation that will impact Canada for years if not decades for a single case. Of course, I hope they find a way to stop her pardon, but let's not sacrifice the proper due diligence on a bill to do it.


Tim
said

no offense Reese, but you're largely full of it. Care to cite any objective sources for your contention that US states have been bankrupted because of the 3 strikes law? that it resulted in the Chinese having to buy their infratucture? how is giving criminal sex offenders their due harm our national security? To give certain kinds of criminals a 2nd chance IS a sign of weakness. And no matter how you parse it, giving serious cons a 2nd chance DOES diminish justice for what was done. If your sympathy for these creeps needs to manifest itself somehow , than advocate for their 2nd chances ONLY after they've done their jail time for at least 20 years. Incarcerating serious offenders is worth every penny of the tax money I pay.


DaveB
said

@ reece: "It was a huge failure and it cost them to yield soverignty to the Chinese who bankroll their infrastructure." So it's conservatives who are responsible for state insolvency not spendthrift liberals. Wow, that's one cosmic leap in logic.By the way, you do know that this discussion is about pardons after time served and not parole, right?


MAL of TO
said

I still think that the pardon isn't the problem it's the 'get one free' habit of Canadian judges. With the information before the jury at the time, the 12 year sentence was within our legal range but my question was and always will be, why wasn't it 12x2 = 24 years. Perhaps a phone call to her attorney pointing out that the feds could STILL open an investigation to see if she met all requirements of her deal would get her to drop any idea of a pardon. We do not have to be nice to this person. Ever.


Doug # BC
said

WOW.Lots of issues at play here.If I recall,she got a plea bargain because it was the only way to get a conviction. The evidence they had was not considered strong enough to convict, so they made a deal with the devil to get something rather than letting them both walk.
Secondly, pardons may well be granted in a process similar to parole. We chide parole boards for their decisions frequently. But those boards are often forced,by regulations,to make decisions they don't like. In fact,they often tell us they have no choice but to grant parole,and,at the same time,warn us they are paroling a person who is a serious threat to re-offend.
ALL of these regulations need fixing..And everyone except people like "reece" seems to know that.Attack Vic Toews if it makes you feel better. But,the system we have now is almost entirely the LIBERAL system. We have had it since Trudeau was PM,and it doesn't work for anyone except the criminals and the lawyers.The victims and their families,and society as a whole have been poorly served.While I do not advocate for and extreme right wing system,there can be no denying we need change.Given the Liberal tendency to side with the rights of those who commit crimes,the only way we get change is if we let someone else do it.If they go to far,let the Liberals correct the errors when,or if they get re-elected.Unless,of course,they take an unprecedented step,and actually take part in a process to remedy the mistakes they made during their terms in power.A Conservative minority cannot do anything about this if they are fiercely opposed by all the left wing loonies on the opposition side of the house.


reece
said

@Joanne from Barrie....I should "give my head a shake". Firstly clichés do not actually bolster one´s arguement especially when it is void of any counter argument. That cliché is used by people who can not muster the intellectual horsepower to counter an argument and I suspect if they themselves give their own heads a shake you just might hear a rattle.
American conservatives have bankrupted America because they thrive on peoples anger and thirst for revenge. When you have a nation of unemployed people who lost their pensions, homes, social security, and medical plans, these politicians will deflect the anger onto some criminal and have you vent in that direction....on your dime. They sale off into the sunset financially secure. You are still left steaming in your boots as your taxes increase to cover the warehousing of these criminals. You then bow down to China to pay for the infastructure and you must do as they say...don´t be criticizing them too much or our big communist sugar daddy may not show us any more loving and then what? Do you release the prisoners out on the streets? Do you cut the police officers pay check? I hate to see your credit card bill because your passion is buying things you can´t afford. Its ok to be angry, but to get carried away and demand people be locked up forever is only gonna make you poorer and more angry. Try to take up another perspective rather than the old 2 demensional thinking the politicians count on you to adopt on everything.


Chris
said

I was always under the impression that pardons were occasionally and judiciously granted under extremely rare circumstances. Proponents suggest they're designed to give (just about) everyone a clean start.Fortunately for our ecomony, there's no law against being stupid. And while Once Stupid doesn't necessarily mean Twice Stupid, time served doesn't rule it out. In fact, it could be argued a stupidity relapse is more likely than not. Perhaps the system of Canadian pardons should be changed, so The Stupid take into account that although their time may eventually be served, they were still stupid, once. Then employers and others who must carry out due diligence while investigating a prospective association will be charged with the responsibility of assesing to their own satisfaction whether Once Stupid may lead to Chronic Stupid...


Jean Hayley
said

The pardon system already allows for the board to turn down an applicant. This rushing to "tighten" the law is really just giving the board less say and Stephen Harper more power. Leave the process alone and turn down the application.




Cam Scott
said

She is APPLYING for a pardon - not CLAIMING one as a right. Just say "No, never."

Are the people who rubber stamp these applications not looking at the facts?


BritinCanada
said

I'm actually appalled by the whole debate.Since when did it become appropriate for politicians to publicly say they are looking for ways to remove an [specific] individuals rights. And when did we as Canadians become so ignorant that we would allow it. While what Karla Homolka did was despicable and deserves more than what she ever was sentenced to in court, noting it was the Crown Attorney and the Ontario Attorney General who allowed this travesty to happen.
It's equally despicable to see the federal government use this horrible crime as a wedge issue to polarize voters (something its become expert in doing) by creating issues to keep the media on their "tough on crime agenda" rather than their economic fallacies or obfuscations to social and health policies.Are Canadians that inept they can't see through this? Crime is at its lowest in years, and continues to drop, yet we are constantly mired by the Government's [U.S. republican style] "tough on crime agenda". Are the Conservatives trying to create a prison industry like the US, where the whole judicial system is an economic driver for the country?Reforms are probably needed to the pardon system, I'm sure of that. But knee-jerk reactions will not solve anything. This seems to be the Government trying to show its tough on crime, rather than providing Canadians with the best, well thought policy for their protection of their safety, and their rights.


Mona Heagle
said

I can't believe that after what this woman has done she would be given a pardon. Can she bring back those beautiful young women. No! I believe when we do something wrong we need to make amends. This woman cannot make amends for the evil killing she committed. I'm tired of even hearing about her. Tell her to get on with her life and live with the consequences of her behaviour. I don't even understand why she is out of prison. Small price to pay for what she did.


Dr. M
said

One of the aspects of Holmolka's sentencing that's never discussed because it's politically incorrect is the gender bias implicit in her case. Holmolka played the system by pretending to be one of Bernardo's victims herself, when the tapes revealed that she was a willing accomplice. In fact, Bernardo never killed anyone until Holmolka was involved, leading some people to suspect that she was the real killer. But she played on the politically correct feminist gender bias that blames men and exonerates women, a fairly common patttern in criminal law. Men are more often convicted on similar evidence, and receive harsher penalties than women. Often when a female commits a crime of a sexual nature, we look for excuses, claiming that she is really a victim herself, while men are seen as always guilty. But no one wants to turn over the rock of female sexual crime, so we all go along with the stereotype. The result is that women like Holmolka get released, even pardoned, while Bernardo sits in prison (as he ought to)- but then, so should she.


Bill in Ottawa
said

I think some of you are missing the hidden meaning here: Vic Toews has used this individual as a fear tactic to get his bill passed. A bill that would affect every inmate in Canada and increase the instances of repeat offending - thereby driving up incarceration costs exponentially. It costs something like $150,000 a year to keep a person in jail. Times that by the population of inmates serving for all manner of crimes and the bill is enormous. Why would you support a program that would see them either jailed indefinitely or being incarcerated again? A minister should make judgments based on analysis - not fear mongering.


Nathan
said

Alright, aside from all of the outrage on the comments here, what are you outraged about? Let her have the pardon, she has been one of the most famous criminals in this country for the past 15 years and is pretty much a household name when it comes to crime. What is a pardon going to really offer her? The ability to get a job?
I don't think Karla Homolka will be granted much opportunity to work. What other benefits could she get? The ability to travel? Again, I don't think so, the US doesn't recognize pardons and if she wants to travel legally I doubt she will be granted that luxury! So come on, you can pardon her file, but the reputation she created for herself is the real security measure for the public.


dahren
said

Why don't they temporarily suspend all pardons until the Bill is in place and running?


back and to the left
said

Vic Toews, on the surface the bills sounds like a good idea (typical tory ploy) but are there some add-ons that sneaky has thrown into the bill to cause concern for the opposition parties.


Joanne from Barrie
said

@Reece.........Please, give your head a shake.No further comment, it is just too ridiculous!


Niagara George
said

As many people in Niagara know, Karla Homolka no longer lives in Canada. She is now someone else's problem. Be realistic, there is no way her pardon can be stopped by a new law. The Supreme Court would never accept the government's right to make it retroactive. Again, Harper and friends are pretending to push for something they know cannot and will not happen.


Sandra D
said

Here is a novel idea-- just say no.
No bill- no more tax payers money being spent. Just say no.


reidjr
said

Art in Alberta
IT could be but it won't.Last year something like 40,000 were granted pardons while 800 were rejected.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

One of the great travesties in Canada legal history is that Karla Homolka was able to plea bargain her way to a lesser sentence for unspeakably heinous crimes. She should have received exactly the same sentence as her accomplice and never seen freedom in any form for the balance of her natural life. Even the suggestion of a pardon for her is a mockery of our justice system and the memory of her victims and even the suggestion of a pardon is absolutely repulsive. Hopefully that message will be communicated by many to our parliamentarians and our National Parole Board. A pardon for Karla Homolka? I say absolutely no bloody way!

Art in Alberta
said

Can't her pardon application just be denied? Reading the article makes it sound like everyone that applies is approved for a pardon.Considering this monster got an unnecessary sweetheart deal which allowed her parole, a pardon is completely ridiculous!


laura chatreau
said

What is there left to say...How outrageous is the consideration for a Pardon for Karla Homolka. Where does this madness stop? The bloody nerve of her to even suggest that this might be a consideration after partaking in the death of two such young girls her own sister...This is not even news worthy shut her out "absolutely a NO!


bstark
said

The justice system failed when it allowed Bernardo's lawyer to keep the video tapes secret that would have rendered the deal for her testimony unnecessary! Now we're to simply watch while this murderer get's a free pass from having a criminal record. She aided and abetted a serial killer for heaven's sake.


terry
said

Why not let her have the pardon, everyone else gets away with murder...and if they do let her have a pardon what does that tell us about our system? I believe in my heart and to the 3 girls she and Paul were involved with would never, never pardon her...wake up...


LAC
said

Homolka shouldn't get a pardon no matter if this Bill has passed or not.


John Daintree
said

Parole is one thing, pardon is another. Once again the stupid politicians expose their ignorance and look even more stupid (I can hardly believe it!!


Jim in Ottawa
said

Wait, I just thought of a brilliant idea: when she applies for the pardon, say no and that will be the end of it--no hurried bills, no legal wrangling, no red tape (why the heck should we just grant someone a pardon just because they apply for it?). Can I get that $10,000 reward from the Treasury Board for thinking of a new and innovative way to reduce costs?


reece
said

The problem with altering crime bills is that the taxpayers always have to pay for it in the end. Jamming humanity into warehouses and releasing them without any hope of acquiring a job and becoming a contributing member of society is only gonna cause them to seek welfare and other related costs for life.
In the USA the conservatives there and their 3 strikes you´re out policy has bankrupted many states. It was a huge failure and it cost them to yield soverignty to the Chinese who bankroll their infrastructure. Sure, you can heed the cry´s of crime victims and I´m certain I would also cry for blood if anything happened to me or my family, but are you willing to sacrifice our national security for it? To give people a second chance is not a sign of weakness, it gives ex cons a second chance, and at the same time it guards are security.


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