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Deal reached on detainee docs, but NDP walks out

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NDP MP Joe Comartin says the deal reached on the Afghan detainee documents has shifted the balance of power to the government, but Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc says the compromises that were made were not enough to abandon the process.
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Commenting on a new agreement on Afghan detainee documents, the minister said it protects national security and is consistent with the Speaker's ruling that MPs have the right to see the documents under certain circumstances.
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Speaking from Ottawa, the Liberal house leader and Liberal justice critic announce a panel of MPs and imminent jurists will decide which detainee documents will be open to public scrunity and which will be kept private due to security concerns.
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A deal has been reached with opposition parties, except for the NDP, on Afghan detainee documents, which allows a panel of MPs to look at documents along with qualified jurors after being sworn to secrecy.

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Date: Tue. Jun. 15 2010 8:05 PM ET

The Liberals, Bloc Quebecois and Conservatives have reached a deal on the handling of sensitive Afghan detainee documents, but the NDP wants no part of it.

All parties met for several weeks to try to work out an agreement on the contentious issue. The deal, reached this morning, would see a three-person panel of "eminent jurists" review 40,000 documents over the summer, after being sworn to secrecy.

The panel would determine which documents can be publicly disclosed without jeopardizing national security. The panel would also decide how the papers could be released to a select group of MPs: in their entirety, summarized or censored.

While the Tories and Bloc have not said who they want to represent them on the panel, former Liberal leader Stephane Dion will represent the Liberals, with MP Bryon Wilfert as the alternate.

But the NDP says the process won't work. It wants, instead, a public inquiry.

"The whole process, as far as we're concerned, does not get at the truth and will not get at the truth and we will not sign on to it," New Democrat MP Jack Harris said following Tuesday's meetings.

He said documents the government claims to be matters of cabinet confidentiality or solicitor-client privilege will be kept from MPs. A panel of jurists will vet the material and decide if MPs can see it. That leaves MPs out of the loop and is unacceptable, Harris said.

House Speaker Peter Milliken ruled last month that Parliament has a right to see the classified documents, but told the parties to work together to find a compromise that would satisfy the government's national-security concerns.

New Democrat MP Joe Comartin said Tuesday's deal "violates both the spirit and the wording" of the Speaker's ruling, and said it marked a "dark day for parliamentary democracy."

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said he's pleased that an agreement has been reached.

"I'm confident that this is a process that's going to work. All the documents will be made available," he told reporters on Parliament Hill Tuesday morning.

"This agreement on the one hand protects national security and the men and women in uniform. On the other hand, it's consistent with the Speaker's ruling that MPs, under certain circumstances, have a right to look at documentation in this area. So it's a question of balancing that out."

As for the NDP's position, Nicholson says it appears to him that the party planned to announce their opposition to the agreement before the memorandum of understanding was even completed.

"My advice to the NDP is… at least have a look at the document before you call a press conference to say you don't like the agreement."

Liberal MP Ralph Goodale said the agreement means the Conservatives will no longer have unilateral control over which documents are released and which are kept secret.

"We believe the agreement properly respects the sovereignty of Parliament, it respects the rights of members of Parliament to have information so they can call the government to account," Goodale told reporters.

"The government has surrendered its unilateral and arbitrary control over this information."

He added that the agreement also has built in safeguards "so there can be no accusation that in some way national security or the safety of our troops in the field is in any way endangered."

The documents relate to allegations that prisoners were routinely tortured after they were turned over to Afghan authorities by Canadian soldiers.

Opposition MPs want to know what the government knew about the allegations and when, and what action it then took.

With reports from The Canadian Press

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DH in BC
said

From the article: "New Democrat MP Joe Comartin said Tuesday's deal "violates both the spirit and the wording" of the Speaker's ruling, and said it marked a "dark day for parliamentary democracy." " The deal violates democracy?? Isn't the fact that three of the parties all work together toward this solution the definition of democracy (they were are democratically elected...). Give your head a shake and get to work ... like you're being paid to do. Quit sucking our hard-earned money away with your incessant whining NDPs.


Slappy
said

NDP seeks the promised transparency and gets lambasted for it. NDP seeks accountability for federal MPS and information for public and gets lambasted. NDP declared anti-military while seeking the truth. NDP labelled as taliban lovers because they seek equal rights for all. Canadian conservative public labels NDP fringe because they would not bow to the 'establishment'. NDP ridiculed for seeking information regarding Afghan detainess.


Mark from Vancouver
said

The idea that torturing enemy combatants for information will help end this war against oppressive and dangerous ideals.. is oppressive and dangerous. It's remarkable how many people here don't get that.


Kelowna Citizen
said

hoorah for a 2 party system! Liberals/Conservatives = NO PROBLEMS throw in socialist and communists and separatists and you have way to many problems...


DL
said

Dear bryanfYes they are all the 'government' we have a pariamentary system. Sorry for that. You may be thinking of some other country.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

Canadian troops were bound by NATO to hand suspected Afghan insurgents over to their government and did so in accordance with orders and/or directives to do so. I have a hard time chastising our military for doing so on the basis that those they captured might, and that is heavy on the "might", be tortured.

In another age, those captured would have been summarily shot as illegal combatants under the "Geneva Rules" as they form a military unit with no identifiable nationality nor legitimacy under rules of engagement.

I'm uncertain where Jack Layton comes from but I am certain that he would suggest we mollycoddle war criminals, even perhaps offer them a home in Canada to carry on their assault on civilization, and then chastise our military in the process for carrying out their obligations under an international agreement. An earlier post suggested "The NDP - Canada's fringe party" - perhaps the word "lunatic" should be inserted as well.


Portes
said

Ben DoversonYour remarks need a lot of research. You are NDP from your posting and unhappy that the other 3 parties agreed, why in God's name don't you bring down the Government is it is that bad,I am sick and tired of all these accusations and nothing to show for it. Harper is doing s good job and is going to make us proud at both summits. I suggest that all the bellyachers stop their bellyaching and work with the Government to make this country better. If you are all so unhappy bring down the Government and let the people decide


Tono Fonseca
said

Outwardly, the NDP is more concerned for the safety of Taliban prisoners than it is for Canada's troops.What reds...


Dave in Surrey
said

yogisaid I am just glad canadian military is actually being discussed these days, lets not forget we didn't have one when libs were in power. (thank you Paul Martin) ----------------------You may not remember, but Harper agreed to cuts in the military back in 1995 when our deficit was 40 Billion dollars, try to stick to the facts... As for Layton and his grandstanding, it is stuff like this that will prevent the NDP and Liberals from merging, the NDP is truly a socialist party that only represents the far left, the centrist have no say in their policies or actions... A vote for the NDP is a proxy vote for the Conservatives, people really need to see that...


Joe Canadian
said

Who cares? We handed over some scumbag prisoners and then the Afghans might have asked them a little roughly what they had been up to. Good. Don't start nuthin' won't be nuthin'. This is a complete waste of taxpayer money.


MAL of TO
said

For those that think their is nothing in these documents that needs security... how about a simple example. A report says Convoy 123 is patrolling the east side of the town using roads A,B and C. Nothing secret there, except when some jerk trying to score political points releases that and tells the enemy EXACTLY where and when to place the land mines, etc.


BABE
said

Thank you Glen I agree the NDP shouldn't even be in. JL is the worst person in parlemant. He makes MI look good.


Doug in Stratford
said

i think this agreement is fair. it removes the control from the goverment. BUT why do the right think that because the cons have a lead in seats, BUT NOT MORE THEN 51% or even 45% of the seats that anyone that questions them is a commie ???????????????????


Richard in Ontario
said

To DarynYou might just want to check you facts before making a statement. "Canada wouldn't be in a country that doesn't want us there". Fact is the Afghani government asked NATO to come in and help regain their country from the Talban. As part of NATO we are there doing our share. Funny enough it seems now they want us to stay after 2011. Let's face it, it's the NDP that doesn't want us there. Funny enough even Iggy is saying we should stay after the proposed 2011 troop pull out. If you choose to blame anyone for this action besides the US, there are enough participants in this decision to add to the list.


Dennis Huntler
said

What a bunch of children. Wonder why nobody goes out and votes anymore. Parliament is an absolute FARCE!!!


Stu from London
said

@Peter in MB...where've you been, bud? This detainee issue has long been around prior to the merger talks, which happened last week. Why would they bring this up to cover up that? The deal was struck today. You got to read before you comment.


gerry moloughney
said

The NDP is taking a principled position and should be respected for doing so. Mr. Layton has more integrity than all the other parties put together. What kind of democracy do we live in if Canadians expect us to cow tow to the Governing Party.


Bill from Winnipeg
said

The NDP will NEVER form a government. They will NEVER be in power, and until people start believeing that and stop wasting their wotes for them, this circus will never end. If you wish to protest, please just don't vote at all. By voting for a fringe party you are actually screwing up the running of this country and doing much more harm than good....so STOP IT............I repeat...THE NDP WILL NEVER FORM A GOVERNMENT so they are just a useless as the Greens and the Bloc. Voting for them only means that you'd rather whine than actually take concrete action so PLEASE STOP VOTING ALL TOGETHER, unless your real objective is to SCREW UP OUR PARLIMENT...........and consequently our country, like parliment is now...........We are wasting too much time and energy on parties that will never be the decision makers. a vote for the fringe it a vote against Canada


ed
said

Thank you NDP for telling the cons and libs that people are more intelligent than the average MP and can make up their own minds on what is right or wrong. Maybe the cons and libs should join... no difference between them and..... What bloody national security? Folks, if you didn't notice, the war ain't going so good.


proud soldier
said

i wonder what some of you folks will say if one of our kids get hauled off for trial ,for war crimes because iggi wanted to embarass harper , because that is what is going to happen here, we do not posine our kids we do not hang 7 yr olds for talking to a soldier.these are notgood folks they do not respect life or laws what do you think they would do to one of ours if caught a year ago we would swap for one of theres or money NOW they will kill him for propaganda!!!


Chris
said

Time to go Jack and never come back no more no more no more no more! Time to go Jack and never come back no more!!!!!


Edm Vic
said

does this mean if they do not sign they do not get to see? I hope so because if they did not sign than they might start telling everyone what they saw because they did not sign??


Ray
said

When will the opposition stand up for the 7 year old boy who was hung for being a freind of the Nato troops. Do they also think it is right for the taliban to wear the burka and go blow up women ahd children. Lets stop protecting the taliban and get on with helping to get this Country back on it's feet.


Jeremy
said

Jack and the rest of the NDP have you not realized yet that your behind in votes from a party from one province who is trying to separate from the rest of the country. Your opinion really doesn't matter at all when it comes to this country.


peter in MB
said

There is a difference between being “The Opposition” and being an “Effective Opposition” Until the NDP learn that they will always be on the Opposition side of the House of Commons


Danny Dinosaur
said

Professor Pye Chart, please do not insinuate that you speak for most Canadians. You speak for yourself and certainly not for me. If you seek to find comfort in the majority, then you should take a look at the rules that were set up by the civilized world to protect people from abuses. Rules that do not allow torture were agreed upon a long time ago as part of humanity and a civilized society. The view that it is not important and who cares, is the type of attitude that has allowed vicious dictators to control countries. Unfortunately it is very easy to unite people behind hatred and it is even effective in gaining power. The issue is that it is wrong to do so. I do hope and maybe wish that Canadians would be against anything that suppresses human rights in such an undignified manner. I also think it is important to hold those that do these things to account and expose them for what they are.That's my opinion.

Vanc Guy
said

Yes, the NDP solution to everthing - have an inquiry. Spend millions, learn nothing new and change ... nothing.I'm not happy to see Dion involved - are paying for his services??? I hope not. Get out of the public purse Dion! Or can't you get a real job???


Albertaboy111
said

When Canadians not only don't condemn but appluade Canadian involvement in torture, and even dehumaize those being tortured as justification is the day Canada loses everything it once stood for on the international stage. Her fall from grace is complete.

Jeff in Banff
said

Liberals folded. They're breathing on one lung and didn't have the wind for battle. MERGE.


B_A_Canadian
said

YanMy Great ,Great Parents came to Canada to build a new future for themselves.Being of English,Scotish,French,Metis,and in those earlier days before the USA became the United States as we know it.My Family history covers a wide variety of nationalities all wanting one thing .To be free of terrany and suppression of speach,standing tall to protect these values.Do'y preach to me about what I was trying toconvey to the fact we need a strong supported by the people of this country we call Canada.You came to Canada to become a better person free of the oppressions that you left.So be what a Canadian is Strong ,Free and Tolerant of these new arrivals.Making them welcome ,but instill our Canadianhistory on them so they understand our sacrificesmade to be called a Canadian.Learn to speak Canadian and enjoy each others differences.To be Canadian IS to be Multiculturial,Not integrating into Canadian society is disrespectful to those who value the Canadian way of life.Yan...B_A_Canadian for once.


David in Dartmouth
said

Soooooo..... the No Different Party walks out....! No surprise here, for an outfit that is barely relevant...where is it that they get to to dictate to the ...Majority!!!!! Not hard to tell who is the obstruction to making this minority work! Stephen Harper, call the election when ever you like, and lets get a majority....and stability..!!By the way, news from Mr. Ignatieff, is he wants to "revaluate procurement programs", watch out people, elect Mr. Ignatieff, and watch for another decade of darkness for our military, back to the days of imposed mediocrity.


Scott
said

I simply do not understand what all the fuss is about. Most Canadians do not give a crap about people being totured whether they are terrorists or not. The only reason the conservatives will not release these documents is because these documents will prove that the government knew about the torture but decided to look the other way so as not to upset the american government.even if our soldiers were commiting the torture themselves, no one cares. Time to move on to something more important like the economy. As long as our government can maintain the appearance of a free democracy, then thats whats important, right!


reidjr
said

Samual
Its does not matter what party is in charge your going to see what is happening in toronto and to say its a police state is going a bit over the top.Is the harper gov perfect no have the made mistakes yes the same can be said about any past party.The real probleam right now is the ontario liberals.


Mark on the westcoast
said

The real problem is that the NDP represents so many people at odds with western society that if they get the info there is a very real chance they will route it directly to those people we are at war with. We dont need our troops at more risk because the NDP disagrees with the war. National Security Trumps ... period


SK Libber
said

Totally predictable behaviour coming from a group always whining about being left out...


Dave S
said

Again stop wasting our time and money the Canadian troops did nothing wrong in turning these cretons over to their own Gov if they were tortured after leaving the hands of Canadian troops then it has nothing to do with us. SHUT UP ALREADY


Don Aitken
said

Once again the Right wingers are out in numbers because the NDP are insisting that the Conservatives come clean about an obvious cover up.


jack R
said

That sucking sound you hear is the NDP's credibility going down the drain...


daryn
said

To all of you that thinks this is a War, you are seriously misinformed. If it was a war, then there would be no Guantanamo bay, there would be no handing prisoners over to the recognized government of Afghanistan, Canada would not be in a country that doesn't want us there. This is a police action, it's part of the US' pretending to be Alpha Male and get their hands into an area of the world where it's easy stepping to get at the oil. Every elected official in the House of Commons has a right to see those documents, and the Conservatives have a habbit of saying one thing and doing another, and until people realize that, we will continue to have the socialists (not a bad thing) separated into 3 parties. Together they are a majority apart they are the Separatists, the Finge, and the Socialist parties. If the Green party and NDP would go away the Liberals would be back in power with a majority.


KB in WB, ONT
said

This is still a democracy and people have the right to vote for who they wish to represent them. That may be a Bloc or it may be an NDP. Living in a democracy means we all have a right to express our opinion. What I see profoundly represented with the posts today is intolerance of others opinions and name calling that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. In a democracy we also have the right to know what our government is up to, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The NDP walked out because Canadians will not receive the truth about this issue. Weather you agree with torture or not you do deserve the truth about your governemnt so you can make an informed decision and not one out of ignorance. Which is something that is very prevalent in the posts.


Greg in Cambridge
said

They're terrorists. Double who-cares about this issue and it's not even really an issue to most.


Dave
said

I agree with Jack Laytons comment to "let's just go talk to the Taliban" he mad a few years ago.Get it done Jack ! I'll buy the plane ticket for you!


Strike 3
said

So the NDP has issues? What is new here? The NDP will always have "issues." They have little or no interest in anything beyond issues that have nothing whatsoever with good government. When are we going to be rid of this useless appendage to Parliament?


Sick of the schoolyard tactics
said

It appears to this observer that the only thing that CTV bloggers are ver really good at is name calling. It seems to be the right wing tactic these days: if someone disagrees or calls a right minded politician to account for his/her decisions, they are a "communist who hates Canada". People, this was the mentality of the US 50 years ago. Are we regressing? What about debate regarding the fact that any official opposition (the cons will be there one day!) has the right to view parliamentary documents in order to do thier job? Honestly, think for yourselves. We are not a one party system - China is. We have checks and balances in place for a reason - so that Prime Ministers do not become Dictators.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

@ Brian Fr Langley, your last post is an example of logical deduction ( Mr. Spock would be proud ). Unfortunately the Afghan detainee committee has to deal with facts ie: the documents. Until you and i have had a look at them, we don't know a thing about what happened. So your post amounts to mere conjecture and nothing more.


Another Mess
said

I find it somewhat disturbing that most are forgetting the real issue at hand here, its not the NDP, nor the Liberals nor the Bloc but the CONS who are playing dirty politics. They obviously have something to hide considering their constant stalling on this. I guess most of you have forgotten about this same game they played last summer with the EI panel. Mr. Harper's government has been successful at one critical goal of his, confuse and disgust the voters, scare them from the voting boxes so his following can turn up and vote them in with their 48% of the population's vote. Make voting mandatory so democracy can rule for once rather than CONS playing games and taking advantage of the uneducated voters out there. There was once a time where we were proud of our government, our leaders but those days are far gone with the Mulroneys and Harpers. But let me guess, that was the Liberals, the NDPs and the Blocs doing. Get over what a few bad apples got away with years ago and look at what is happening today, are you really proud of this governement, what have they accomplished while collected a hefty salary paid by our tax dollars. So much ignorance in this country these days, it makes me sick!


Jim in Ottawa
said

The NDP only got 17.48% of the popular vote in the 2008 General Election, so who cares. 82.52% of the voters are represented here.


Glen
said

Where in the world are the NDP's heads. They should'nt even be in parliament.....To even favour the detainees. I'd say they are terrorist threats. Lets kick them out of the country, put them in Afghanistan, and surround them with IED's. Think about your own country for once would you.


Tomko
said

Yan dress as you wish but if your a Canadian, do not impose you wishes on everyone else. Other cultures were quit sufficient here prior to so call multiculturism. I'm sure Mr. Trudeau would be very disappointed in what his multiculturism idea has become. I'm sure he wanted to recognize everyone, but not have them mot be Canadians with a Canadian Culture...celebrate your culture in your own way everyone, but BE CANADAIN....


James
said

I agree with Matt completely. The NDP chose not to sign the agreement, and therefore should have no access to the documentation covered by the agreement. Going forward, however - and I hope that some of the necessary people read these things - we should develop a system wherein the defence critic for the Official Opposition should be sworn to secrecy and included in all matters of National Defence. Not only does it keep this sort of thing from happening, but it also provides a measure of continuity to our national security. They do it in other countries, so it shouldn't be that big of an issue to do it here.


farmer fred
said

I am sick to death of these tools that try to hide their misdeeds behind the men and women of our military. If the government knowingly did something wrong and in contravention of Canadian values the public has a right to know. Thank goodness the NDP is standing up for Canadian values and the men and women in our military. It is the government that has put them in harms way and if they gave the orders to do something wrong it is the government that is at fault, no one else. So quit trying to blame the NDP and base your comments on such clear lies and misinformation. Bravo Jack.


peter in MB
said

I wonder if the liberals or the NDP really care about this issue or this just to draw attention away from the flip flops on the coalition/merger between the NDP and Liberals.


Sam
said

They still can't get over the total failure of communism, which they love more than they love Canada. Even the Bloc is more patriotic. Go figure!


Richard in Ontario
said

Jack Layton and most of the NDP have to be Irish. They're the only ones I know that "don't know that they're against, they're just against everything". A quote from my dear departed Dad, who by the way was born in Ireland. Seriously, this nonsense has been going on for far too long and it has to be the biggest waste of time ever. I would like to see a poll that indicates just how many people in this country really give a hoot about the detainee issue.... I know the Libs and NDP do, since they think it will buy them votes but I'm sure many don't care.


Yan
said

To B-A-Canadian,

You said that when coming to live in Canada, learn to live the Canadian ideal. What exactly is Canadian ideal? Is it to give our war captives to others so that our captives can be tortured? Is it to take our Natives children away from their parents or is it to cheat old people's money like E. Jones did?

Pierre Elliot Trudeau once stated Canada is a multicultural society. Every culture is part of our Canadians’ cultures. So immigrants already are a part of Canadians. And yet they are told they cannot dress in their chosen clothing and eat using their forks in certain ways. Is that Canadian ideal?


Liberal supporter
said

Too bad the NDP couldn't walk right out of Canada forever. I am a Liberal. But I would turn my back on the Liberals forever if they merge with the NDP.


Mark from Vancouver
said

Glad that the cons finally conceded and are working towards a positive resolution of the situation. I hate the thought that Canada, its citizens, and its politicians could turn a blind eye to torture and mistreatment of fellow human beings. The thought that we would do these things in the name of freedom, democracy, and justice is utterly disgusting. What makes us better than the 'terrorists' and 'extremists' we're fighting is that we are right and just, and so treat all humans in a humane manner.Let's get to the bottom of this dreadful issue, and fix the systems (and people) that could have let this happen.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

When it comes to fingering our government, our military brass, and our ground troops (who were charged with conducting detainee transfers) as "war criminals," most Canadians don't truly believe that we're guilty and, therefore, aren't genuinely interested in this self-propelled political witch hunt being fumbled by desperate partisan hacks in the Liberal and NDP parties. Average Canadians think that it is ridiculous that certain crazed oppositional parliamentarians have been gleefully building a gallows stage in Ottawa to hang our nation upon (or, just PM Harper and his Conservatives, for those too dense and biased to grasp the ramifications), when the premature, politically-driven judicial "conclusion" hasn't got any facts standing behind it, and the international community isn't clamoring for any related justice on the matter. Why are 'we" so determined to convict ourselves of such a despicable crime, under the circumstances? (Answer: "We" aren't. It's part of Iggy & Jack's self-serving game.)


Brian Fr Langley
said

@Rick in NB, So I suppose you think Canadian Forces didn't detain Taliban suspects until the Cons. were elected? And if they did where do you think they held them? Perhaps in the Canadian jails we set up in Afghanistan? Taliban suspects have been captured from day one. and from day one there have been issues as to where they should be detained. Its still an issue. Either Canadian forces stop capturing the enemy, or start building Canadian detainment facilities in Afghanistan, or trust the Afghans to take care of their own, or get out of the country and trust the Afghans to take care of their own.


Stu from London
said

National Security was never the issue. What, the Taliban finds out we allowed them to be tortured and they start to target Canadian soliders even more so then they are now? Are they not targeting our soldiers already? What difference does it make? I don't care if the Taliban get tortured (as long the people who are being tortured are the Taliban and not civilians) but I don't like being lied to about it. If the Liberals or the Conservatives were just honest with Canadians and told us what was happening over there (or the media?) then this wouldn't have come up. Sorry con supporters, not telling you something you should be told is the same as LYING. Also, it's clear a lot of you have no idea what socialism means. You need to stop Fox and listening to right-wing talk radio.


Allan Eizinas
said

So now the member of the Liberal party who was legitimately elected in a riding to represent that riding will have the same access to government documents as the member of the Conservative party who was legitimately elected in a riding to represent that riding. What took so long and why did it take so long?


carl
said

I used to watch townhall.com with some amusement, all the far right american haters spewing off at socialism and communism. I am continually amazed at the number of canadians who fall into this category.With there not being a clear choice between the liberal and conservative political agenda, the ndp seems to offer the only left wing choice for voters.


M.M.B. Ont
said

The NDP walking out is no surprise. The NDP supports nothing, votes for nothing and area totally useless party. I think it's time Layton stopped flapping his lips on issues and especially the Afghan detainee issue if he is not prepared to vote on anything. If you are only there to smear someone Jacky boy... then perhaps it's time for you to leave and don't let the door hit you in the ass. And take Iggy with you. Canadians have enough of nothing from both of you ! Too much time has been spent on this detainee issue and Layton has made threats against the gov't on the subject and it's time to get over it. When the Taliban starts caring about what happens to the Afghan people and our soldiers, then perhaps Canadians will take an interest. Until then......


Nancy
said

The Harper cover up continues-first Harper decimated the taxpayer's finances and now he has ruined the great reputation of our Forces-all for his supposed benefit. This is what we get for electing a sociopath as our PM-I used to proud to say I'm Canadian-but with Harper in power, I am ashamed of what our country has become!


Alexandria
said

How must Our Service People in Afghanistan feel with all the BS about the detainees?It is about time the opposition put our Women and Men that are fighting to honour a contract we have with NATO. First.Jack Layton is a fool and if he were an afghan citizen he would be labeled a traitor. It is time the NDP dumped him.


Tim Bucktoo
said

I am sure that it was a major compromise; if the Bloc agreed; it is as good as we could get without another big delay. Probably not what anyone really wanted. Harper's coalition with the Bloc, figures.


MARG MM
said

Not surprising, after all the, NDP's motto seems to be "whatever it is, we're against it"!! Since they walked out, they should not be allowed to take part in the reading of the documents when they are released. I believe that Gord Robson is right.If the Conservatives still have a minority Government after the next election, look for the Liberal/NDP coalition/merger, then look out Canada. I, for one, will be taking that possibility into consideration when I vote. The Liberals are already leaning farther to the left, and a combination of the two of them would be rather scary, especially if they need the Bloc.


James Stewart
said

I have no problem with a little more access to those documents just so long as national security is maintained. Some people need to be reminded that phrase doesn't necessarily mean security within the borders of our country alone. It also means the security and safety of our soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan.So now most of the parties are agreed upon the process (except our very own Left Wing nut bars the NDP) and they can have a look.There will no doubt be some issue taken with the possibility that Canadian troops handed over detainees to Afghan officials knowing full well that our enlightened version of human rights would be violated. Expect it actually. The Taliban does not play by the rules and will torture ruthlessly anyone they think can provide intel. Do not think for a second that Afghan security forces have and will continue to do the same. They do and they will so all the hand wringing and chest beating on the Hill really means nothing. It is a war, dirty and dangerous with no rules. Get over it.


Sadie
said

Jack Layton and the NDP can't get it through their thick skulls that everything is NOT public and for good reason. They canNOT be trusted to sit at the table to read the documents and NOT talk about them ! In this case war is ugly - period.Jack, Pat Martin(and many others) are BULLIES... plain and simple they scream in the House - they scream at Committee- they are not team players - Mr. Layton is scrambling for power and in this case on the back of the military who they hate... forgetting these 'guys' put their lives on the line for the right to dissent... past -present and future !


Samual
said

The Harper government is becoming one secretive paranoid fascist entity. It has turned our largest city into a police state and treats Canadians like peasants who can't make rational decisions and should be kept ignorant by the Conservative government. Such a sad state we are in, this is the type of democracy our parents fought and died for, I think not.


yogi
said

I am just glad canadian military is actually being discussed these days, lets not forget we didn't have one when libs were in power. (thank you Paul Martin) As for NDP'S we should send them to Afganistan, Maybe once they hug the taliban and show the they care, the war will be over. problem solved.


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
said

Let's face it the NDP has always been a pacifist party that have little regard for the military and jeopardizing the safety of our soldiers is the last thing that would concern them. Layton has always been against the mission. He would have no qualms about releasing information harmful to national security if he saw political advantAge to it. The NDP is dominated by left wing idealogues and unionists who still believe that the Western World should not have fought the tyranny of Adolf Hitler. I expect that the negotiations limited in some way their ability to use the Afgan documents for political advanrage and they walked out in order for Layton to grandstand and camera hog to the press. After all there is one thing Layton is good at , puffing out his chest and mugging while in front of a mike. Every time I listen to these fools in the NDP i get more incensed that 20% of voters actually vote for these guys.


Paul
said

Jack go back and hug a tree somewhere, that's all you're good for anyway.This process is a waste of money. This is a war zone, it"s not the Holiday Inn that our prisoners are incarcerated in Canada.


Sue
said

I find it very hard to understand how people of faith can put their support behind a government that is so dishonest and immoral. Is all were asking for is the truth. Have Canadians lost all self respect that they are willing to be dictated to by this government. Kim of North Korea is another leader that hides the truth from it's people.


Doug # BC
said

A post like that of "Niagara George" would have to come from a socialist.Some of what he said has some meaning.However,walking out of the talks,and not even voting on the issue is a blatant evasion of their responsibilities.Good, bad, or otherwise, how can Taliban Jack now complain every time the Liberals are absent from Parliament in order to let a Conservative initiative get passed? The height of cowardice displayed by Jack Layton and the NDP will get no thanks from this voter.What they really have said is that."when the issues are divisive,and tough decisions have to be made,force someone else to make the decisions.We,the NDP,will be hiding in the halls". For my part,I'm glad they came to a decision, but I also think there is to much politicing around an issue of national security.Liberal spin about this entire war is looking more and more devious every day.FIrst,they send the troops there.Then they fight tooth and nail against the extension of the mission.Then they get on their high horses about detainees,many of whom were detained on the Liberal watch.Add both of those foul ups to the Liberal history of down sizing and under equipping our CF,and,frankly, to this former Liberal,their commitment to our troops looks more symbolic than real.It has to be describes as luke warm,at best.Lots of patriotic bluster,but not a lot of funding,or a defined policy to back it up. As to Libby Davis,I think the only reason she gets elected is because of the work she does in her riding.She does have a loyal following,and she does seem in tune with locals.But,on national and international issues,she is a disaster.Not unlike Olivia Chow and Jack Layton himself.


Tomko
said

NDP would sooner give all our security measure to every one in every country. As a Socialist loving afair..


Matt
said

So, if the NDP walked out, then seeing as how they DIDN'T sign the agreement, their representitive SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to see the documents.


Gregoryd
said

who cares it is polotics as usual. We need more independnents to take back control of parliment. What a joke the government of canada is becoming. This inlcludes all three parties. They spend their time running from reporter to reporter trying to improver their image instead of doing the job they were elected to do. Does anybody really care about this issue. We turned them over to the Afgans and what they did with them is their businenss. Again who cares


Gord. Robson,Nova Scotia
said

The N..D.P. never seem to be happy with our military or police forces. Jack will strut around as if he has all the answers. Warning to all Canadians if the Liberal/N.D.P form a agreement/coalition after the next election and the N.D.P. get any cabinet seats it has been said that the military will most likely face very deep cuts, I wonder ?


B_A_Canadian
said

We need a Country that needs to stand together.Not the goverment...But the people who live in Canada who elected the Government of choice. Canada for once ...Elect a Government that does not bow tothe whims of the fringe ,making Canada a global Joke of in security and the abuse of universal health care.When coming to live in Canada,learn to live the Canadian ideal and notyour just your own nationality.Become Canadianand help all by having a strong Canadian way of life. B_A_Canadian and Stand proud doing so ...Globally


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

@ Brian Fr Langley: How did you get a hold of the documents? That's the only way you could know the timeline of the detainee issue. And bryanf could you tune down your caplocks, the uppercase words are deafening.


Niagara George
said

If you know Canadian history, you will know that confederation only happened because The Grit (Liberal) leader, George Brown, gave full responsibility for the negotiations to John A. Macdonald. Knowing the nature of politicians and their desire to attack the other party, Brown's backing off probably makes him the true hero of our nation's beginning.Jack Layton has done the same thing. He knew he could not agree with the Libs and definitely not with the Cons. By removing his party from the talks, he has allowed them to reach an agreement, without interference. Thank you Jack.Hopefully, enough information will be released that parliamentarians of all parties will learn the truth of our actions in Afghanistan.After years of involvement, close to 150 lives lost, millions spent on infrastructure and constantly showing the 'good guys' in Afghanistan how much we care for them, we must be on the brink of that country becoming a peaceful, democratic nation. Oops, in fact, we are on the brink of "a very tough summer" according to another article on this site. I wonder why!


Robert Brise
said

A big No is what the ndp is all about. He wantsall the info so he can pass it on to his Taliban buddies!!!! Go for it Taliban Jack!


arnie williamson
said

If it were up to Jack Layton our people in Afghanistan would be using bows and arrows


TikTok
said

Thank you NDP for standing up for Canadians.I'm sure no matter what the MoU says WE won't hear the truth. I'm also sure neither will the MP's 'chosen' along with the Jurists (who will help them decide), yeah right. We've been had, as usual.


Mark
said

It's all about Layton just seeking publicity. Nothing more and nothing less from this perpetual fourth place party.


Dean in Abby
said

Who cares what a socialist good for nothing party says or does. Layton has long since become irrelevant and in my mind is about as useful as Iggy. Neither has what it takes to lead a party let alone a country. Go back to school Iggy and Jack, socialism doesn't work. How many times do we the public have to say it to you guys?


Kevin
said

It is a sad day that politics are being played in this detainee issue. We are at war.We captured these Taliban and treated them in accordance to the geneva conventions treatment of prisoners. We do not have the facilities or manpower to keep these Taliban in Canadian prisons in Afghanistan. We have to hand these prisoners of war over to the Afghanistan authorities and if they are tortured who cares ? Are the Taliban upset about our troops they have murdered ? I think not and now the opposition wants sensitive information released to put our troops in more danger . Shame on Ignatieff, Layton , Duceppe send these simpletons and there parties over to afgahanistan to fight the taliban, and send our brave sons and daughters home because they deserve the support of our government and citizens not this silly games of politics by our opposition.


Ben Doverson
said

There's nothing in these documents that would harm our national security, the cons have been hiding the crimes they have committed. Canadians just want to see the truth we all know Harper's government is the most incompetent in Canadian history. Just look at the billion dollar boondoggle fake lake 3 day party & it's easy to see this government is clueless.


bryanf
said

The NDP are NOT the Govt. The Bloc are NOT the Govt. The Liberals are NOT the Govt.This should not have even happened, We Need an Election to rid this country of these Socialist & Communist, separatists that are sitting in the HOC. And while were at it Where's the Indignation towards NDP'r Libby Davis for her Recent condemnation of Israel & her SUPPORT for TERRORIST. (chirp,chirp,chirp)


Sandy
said

Layton is trying to take the heat off Libby Davies and her comments- NDP usual grandstanding


Alyx Crawford
said

One gathers from this that the NDP's position was likely an "all or nothing" proposal. I expect we'll hear from Jack soon, bleating about how only the NDP is acting in the people's best interest.


Brian Fr Langley
said

That the NDP walked out is no surprise. They are the party with the most to gain. They would desperately love to smear and embarrass both the Cons and the Libs over the detainee issue, which actually stretches back to the days of Liberal Governments. They probably left in a pout because none of the other parties would agree that politics should trump national security.


Gord in Regina Sask
said

The NDP -- Canada's fringe party


Jim in the West
said

Given how opposed the NDP is to anything military, and how much of an idealogical interest they have in tearing down the military, is anyone really surprised by this?


bullpup
said

NDP showboating.


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