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Transport Minister John Baird appears before the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates in Ottawa, Wednesday, June 2, 2010.

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Transport Minister John Baird appears before the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates in Ottawa, Wednesday, June 2, 2010.

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Good old Canadian politics: instead of having riots and civil wars, we just have our politicians yell at each other instead!

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Baird's angry outburst brings chaos to committee

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Baird's angry outburst brings chaos to committee

Date: Wed. Jun. 2 2010 8:59 PM ET

A Commons committee descended into chaos Wednesday afternoon when Conservative cabinet ministers showed up uninvited, demanded to be heard, and insults began flying between MPs.

Transport Minister John Baird, Natural Resources Minister Christian Paradis and junior science minister Gary Goodyear arrived at the government operations committee in place of staffers who had been called to speak.

The committee is probing allegations that former Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer and his business partner illegally lobbied government officials. The Tory government recently announced a new policy barring cabinet ministers' staffers from accepting invitations to appear at committees.

The proceedings quickly turned into a scene unbecoming of elected officials when Baird began shouting, questioning whether the committee chair knew what she was doing and declared himself ready to answer questions about the goings-on in his office.

"Any member of Parliament, any one of the 308 members of Parliament, are entitled to come to committee, they are entitled to be heard," Baird said.

"And Madame Chair, while I cannot vote, I am an elected member of Parliament and I am here to be heard. And I appreciate that it only took me 50 times to be able to ask to be heard, because you don't know the rules, and it is an absolute disgrace. I'm here as a member of Parliament, and I have every right to be heard."

Committee chair and Liberal MP Yasmin Ratansi told Baird that "you are speaking as a witness, so decide what you want. You can't have it both ways..."

Baird interrupted to say he never claimed to be a witness, to which Ratansi retorted: "Good, ‘bye."

In another exchange, committee member and Liberal MP Siobhan Coady said "bullies in the schoolyard should never be listened to."

"Are you trying to intimidate me, Minister Baird?" Coady later yelled. "Because I'll put myself up against you any day on intimidation factors. Don't try to intimidate me, ever!"

The issue of whether cabinet ministers or their staffers should appear before committees has grown increasingly contentious in the weeks after the government announced its new policy.

The Conservatives say that because ministers are responsible for what happens in their offices, they should be the ones to appear before committees.

The opposition argues that committees have the right to call whomever they wish.

While MPs shouted at each other across the floor, Ratansi finally ruled, with the support of Liberal and Conservative committee members, that the ministers could testify.

However, Bloc Quebecois and NDP committee members criticized the ministers' actions.

"The ministers are proving an obvious arrogance and contempt toward this committee that was created democratically by the rules of the Commons," Bloc MP Michel Guimond said. "That's a contempt for democracy."

NDP MP Nathan Cullen said: "My mom always said it was rude to show up at a party you weren't invited to."

The Commons ethics committee is also bumping up against the new Tory policy. Committee chair Paul Szabo said the committee has issued a summons to Dimitri Soudas, the prime minister's communications director, who has failed to appear before the committee despite being asked.

The ethics committee is investigating political interference in document requests made via the Access to Information Act.

Baird had previously made an appearance before the ethics committee on behalf of Soudas and declared then his intention to also appear in place of staffers before the operations committee.

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J.S.
said

Good job Mr. Baird. I can appreciate a politician who is fearless. I am so tired of the liberals slinking around forming committees that do nothing but waste our tax dollars! Every day it same thing playing out in the news. It's a joke! The opposition has a forum in which to further their agenda(s) and, that is the House of Commons. However, with only one true politician (Gilles Duceppe) among the entire opposition they seem to have chosen these "witch hunts" as thir preferred way of doing business. Chretien must laugh every time he picks up a paper!


Nate
said

@Paul de T.O. "Baird brain". Fits.


Ex-Conservative Cynic
said

Sure, let Baird, Harper and company speak for their staff. This way, they can get their staff to do their dirty work for them, and we the public will never have to hear about it. It's the perfect gig for secrecy, and Conservatives love it. However, the majority of Canadians are not comfortable with giving Harper, or any MP, virtual carte blanc to do anything they want without risk of disclosure. Why, that would be plain stupid. Why are Conservatives OK with this situation? Why are we still letting this secretive club run our country?


Dave in Surrey
said

I can't believe people actually vote for Baird, what is wrong with the people in OTTAWA WEST-NEPEAN, is this who they want to represent them?


The Widowmaker
said

Typical Conservative. What a bunch of jack....... What a great government we have. Damn glad I didn't vote for these idiots.


DOug in Stratford
said

So then I guess Mr Harper will be there to answer the questions for his staffers too ??? I highly doubt he will pratice what he preachs.....yet again


horsesense
said

what the ---- was that, ?they should have called in the guys with straight jackets, he looked like he was ready to froth at the mouth. is this the best we can do in canada for cabinet ministers. there must have been a hole inthe bottom of the barrel when they dug up baird. and i voted conservative, sorry never again. this bunch need to go and be replaced with anyone with a IQ over 50


ex-lib in toghetto
said

It was a joke from the start . Coady rambles on in her pre-amble for 5 minutes making all kinds of innuendoes and accusations which would take 3 lawyers a week to go through , then starts screeching she wants a yes or no answer . It didn't work and Baird and Goodyear weren't having it .


Don K
said

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by John Baird's actions. I had the misfortune of sitting in during question period at the Ontario Legislature when he was in opposition and he sat there cat-calling and disrupting anyone who spoke that wasn't a member of his party. The speaker had to tell him twice to hold his tongue or leave. This is typical for him and a really immature way to behave. Without commitee work, how would anyone get to the bottom of anything? Certainly nothing would get solved in the House of Commons!


Chris Vogel
said

I guess it's too late to suggest that John Baird grow up.


joe kraker
said

i didnt know that in this country we are allowed to elect babys, how did john big baby baird get elected

Ron
said

Proof to the opposition... you didn't form the Government. Quit pretending you are the Government. If you don't like it, stage a vote of confidence.Last time I checked, this Government was still held in confidence by the same Parliament that is accusing them of having disrespect.


Martin, Ottawa
said

Baird has always been an arrogant loudmouth laughingstock. He suits his party well.


Bruce
said

The opposition parties in their collective entirety are an abject disgrace, a blight, a dark stain on a proud country.


Jay, Ottawa
said

I miss the old Progressive Conservatives more and more. John Baird is a prime example of what is wrong with this new party. It's children putting on suits and pretending to be all grown up.


Nasty Celt
said

Thank you Mr Harper. Now if ordered to appear in court I'll just tell the bailiff that our Prime Minister says I don't have to. He can just send an MP in my place. It's great to be able to just ignore laws and rules we don't like.


moron4peace
said

it boggles my mind how people like Baird and Dimitri Soudas - who throw tantrums and both clearly have anger management problems - don't appear to even blush at their childish antics once the dust has settled after a blow-up. either they assume that there are enough of us who are embarassed on their behalf that they needn't bother, or they are so clueless that they assume most other adults also act this way.


Frank
said

Hey, I hired an MP and pay him well to represent me, not a staffer. It is about time MP's take the responsibility of their office, like most organizations do in real life.


advocate
said

NDP MP Nathan Cullen said: "My mom always said it was rude to show up at a party you weren't invited to." So now the NDP thinks that a commons committee meeting is little better than a party. That is quite an admission,


Art
said

Just another example of conservative transparency. I wonder just what the conservatives are trying to hide by not allowing our public servants to testify!


Drew in NS
said

Hang On,Is not A Minister Standing up accepting accountability should be what the voter wants!!! An excellent example of good government. Cretien and Martin would never stand behind there staffers, because there lies were just that. We should be embrassing this moment


Colin Gee
said

I'm not sure why this is even considered a news item. You can witness similar childish behavior by these pompous, overpaid clowns every day, during question period.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

All I saw in the CTV video was a bumbling and semi-incompetent Liberal Committee Chair of a farcical Opposition-driven parliamentary Committee, along with a brash and tough-talking Liberal hack sitting upon said Committee, get "schooled" about the rules by a Conservative Minister who, apparently, has the audacity to wear a pair when engaging arrogant partisan twits. ...Big deal.


Niagara George
said

Some of you are saying these committees are a waste of time. We all know that question period is nothing more than a three-ring circus. I suppose that means we should have an election and then let the leader of the winning party rule like a tyrannical dictator. I think not! The committees are where the business of parliament gets done. There are established rules that every government has followed for many years. Committees are able to call witnesses. Even the American system, which many neo-Con followers seem to love, works that way. King Stephen has no right to change the rules in mid stream. Baird and his buddies should have stayed in their offices and sent the people the committee wanted. Let the parliamentarians could go about doing the business we elected them to do.


PW
said

Baird has proven he hasn't changed much from the Mike Harris government days. That government thought they knew everything about everything and shot-down anyone who dared question what they were doing and look what Ontario got from them, a wreckless and irresponsible 30% tax cut which led to massive downsizing in government, 12,000 nurses layed-off, kids with learning disabilities with no E.A.'s, a war with teachers, the water testing system was privatized in Walkerton and people died, welfare cut by 21% and the poor were pushed out into the streets, the highways were full of potholes, Progressive Conservative party members got property owned by the Ontario government for a very nice price, and Baird was in the middle of it. Thanks voters of Kanata but why don't you encourage this genius to switch to municipal politics and save us from him ruining Canada like he and his Harris pals ruined Ontario. This obstructionist, which is his best talent, would be just as useful as a doorstop.


Paul
said

I agree......., don't forget instead of civil wars etc. our country was born when a bunch of various stakeholders got drunk in P.E.I. and since then we talk each other to death.Bit of a joke yes... better than civil war...absolutely.Baird was, is and always will be the biggest joke of this parliament.


Dan in Edm
said

It wasn't that long ago that John Baird was a possible contender for the Conservative leadership once Stephen Harper steps down from his throne. Not any more!


Chris
said

Good John Bair! Let them know that we are not idiots led by commity bias! Get ride of those libs,ndp and bloc in the next election!! Sick of it!!


Catwoman 37
said

Good one on you Mrs. Coady! Standing up to the Bully of the Conservative Party. Personally, intimidation is a tool that does not work. It gives off people the impression you're not friendly, and hard to talk to. If you want to communicate with other people, yelling at people in a committee is not the way to do it.


MBrunswick
said

This is so very embarrassing for Baird to conduct himself like that. He obviously doesn't realize what he sounds like. I just lost a bit more respect for the Conservatives (didn't have much to begin with).


SaskGirl
said

So these ministers showed up to testify in the place of the staffers that were originally called. It makes sense to me that ministers should be the ones to testify in front of a committee, not staffers. That probably isn't part of their job description; being put in the public eye for scrutiny by whomever, whenever. And as for the yelling....how is this any different than any other day in politics in Canada?


The View from Niagara
said

It's about time that the government stand up for themselves in these farcical committees often engineered to stall and derail the government's initiatives. If the Liberals/NDP/Bloc Quebecois want to hide under the guise of committee proceedings to force their unruly coalition on Canadians, they should have the guts to run as a 1 party ticket in the next election and see how Canadians think about. Where do these committee members of the opposition get off when they don't allow members of the government to sit in and answer questions directed at them!


John in Calgary
said

I thought Fascism was supposed to come with a smile? This is a ridiculous spectacle, a display of utter contempt toward parliament. I have a question for John Baird: "Who the heck do you think you are!?"


keith
said

Ah gotta love the decorum on both sides. It's a good thing we don't have any play-doh in the House of Commons. There would be stains we could never get rid of!


Paul de T.O.
said

Baird brain is one bull in a china shop. Does anyone know what the hell he's trying to prove?


Donaldbain
said

Just another opposition witch hunt. Could you please stop investigating everyone else in Parliament and get on with the business of running the country. These committees serve no purpose other than to fatten the wallets of those taking part. Baird is a psycho and Coady ain't far behind and they should take their act on the road and get it out of Parliament. Disgraceful conduct on both sides of the house. Is this it, Canada? These are our leaders? Really? Is there no one in this country with some wit and wisdom to silence these twits?


Bjorn
said

Good old Canadian politics: instead of having riots and civil wars, we just have our politicians yell at each other instead!


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