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The Honourable Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety (centre), accompanied by Senator Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu (centre right), former National Hockey League player Sheldon Kennedy (centre left), and victims advocates in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010.(Public Safety Canada / MARKETWIRE PHOTO) Christine Carretta, left, and Sheldon Kennedy listen as Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews speaks about legislation to do away with pardons and replace them with what it calls record suspensions in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Public Safety Minister Vic Toews speaks at a press conference in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010.

Conservatives move to toughen pardon system

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CTV National News: Daniele Hamamdjian reports
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews introduced legislation on Tuesday that could overhaul how pardons are issued to convicted criminals. Some believe the move is just a knee-jerk reaction to the pardon granted to convicted sex offender Graham James.
CTV News Channel: Jonathan Rosenthal, lawyer
A criminal lawyer with Beyond Borders explains how after a certain amount of time, a pardon has traditionally been given almost automatically to convicted criminals, regardless of the offence.
CTV Edmonton: Sonia Sunger reports
The federal government announced Tuesday its plans to toughen the pardon system.
Power Play: Vic Toews and Sheldon Kennedy
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews says the changes to the pardon rules will more accurately reflect what is entailed in a pardon. Sexual abuse victim Sheldon Kennedy says the changes will help protect the vulnerable members of society.
Power Play: Ron Jette, CSAPN
Ron Jette of the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Network says the pardon system is necessary, but to give a pardon to a child molester is a slap in the face to the victims.
CTV News Channel: Theo Fleury on the changes
A former Calgary Flames player says the changes the Conservatives made to the pardon rules is a good start and is something that should have happened along time ago.
Canada AM: David Butt, criminal lawyer
A former prosecutor says the law doesn't need an overhaul, just a small tweak, so barriers are not created for the vast majority of people who want to put minor criminal offenses committed in their youth behind them.
CTV National News: Robert Fife from Ottawa
The Canadian government is set to table new legislation that would make it impossible for some violent offenders to be granted a pardon and time is running out on a deal for MPs to view sensitive Afghan detainee documents.

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The Honourable Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety (centre), accompanied by Senator Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu (centre right), former National Hockey League player Sheldon Kennedy (centre left), and victims advocates in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010.(Public Safety Canada / MARKETWIRE PHOTO) Christine Carretta, left, and Sheldon Kennedy listen as Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews speaks about legislation to do away with pardons and replace them with what it calls record suspensions in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Public Safety Minister Vic Toews speaks at a press conference in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010.

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The Honourable Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety (centre), accompanied by Senator Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu (centre right), former National Hockey League player Sheldon Kennedy (centre left), and victims advocates in Ottawa, Tuesday, May 11, 2010.(Public Safety Canada / MARKETWIRE PHOTO)

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Date: Tue. May. 11 2010 8:13 PM ET

The federal government on Tuesday announced plans for an overhaul of the pardon system that will remove the word "pardon" altogether, in favour of the term "record suspensions."

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews announced the changes from Ottawa, saying his government is pushing ahead with the legislation in order to put the rights of victims ahead of the rights of criminals.

"Our paramount concern as a government is public safety and the rights of victims," Toews told CTV's Power Play Tuesday evening. "We are concerned about the rehabilitation of criminals, but the danger that certain criminals pose should always be on our mind. And that's why we have extended the categories of prisoners and convicted people who cannot apply for pardons."

The legislation to replace the current pardon system includes the following reforms:

  1. The elimination of pardons, to be replaced by more restrictive and narrowly worded "record suspensions"
  2. Those convicted of sexual offences against minors will be permanently ineligible for a record suspension
  3. Those convicted of three or more indictable offences – the more serious offences such as aggravated assaults -- will also be permanently ineligible for a record suspension
  4. The periods of ineligibility for record suspension after a sentence has been served will be increased. For summary conviction offences, it will be a five-year wait, while more serious offences – indictable offences – the wait will be 10 years
  5. The onus will be moved to the applicant to show that a record suspension will help sustain his or her rehabilitation

Toews defended the name change from "pardon" to "record suspension," which he says more accurately reflects what is granted in a pardon.

"A pardon isn't an absolute forgiveness or getting of the record. It's in fact suspended, and that record could come back at any time if you re-involve yourself with the law," Toews said.

"So what we wanted to do is to simply describe accurately what in fact is being granted to individuals when they receive this so-called pardon. It's in fact a suspension of the record."

The rule changes follow a public outcry after The Canadian Press revealed that the National Parole Board granted a pardon to convicted sex offender Graham James, a former junior hockey coach, back in 2007.

James had been convicted of sexual assault against two teen hockey players, including Sheldon Kennedy, who went on to play in the National Hockey League.

Kennedy stood beside Toews as Tuesday's announcement was made, and said he was pleased with the proposed legislation.

"I think it protects those vulnerable sectors, I think that it protects citizens," Kennedy told Power Play. "I think we have the right to know people's backgrounds, and I think that's what it gives us."

The current pardon system does not erase a person's criminal record, but a pardon can make it easier for someone to get a job and travel abroad. All but a small segment of criminals, such as dangerous offenders and those serving life sentences, are eligible to apply for a pardon.

As the system currently stands, criminals must wait between three to five years after a sentence has been served, depending on the severity of the crime.

In the case of sex offenders, a flag remains on the pardoned person's file, serving as an alert to community groups and employers should they seek work with children or other vulnerable people.

Craig Jones of the John Howard Society said a review of the pardon and parole system may be needed, but that should take place under the guidance of experts, not by "short-term-oriented, hair-on-fire opportunists."

Liberal MP Mark Holland agreed.

"What they should be doing in advance of just throwing legislation down on the table is they should have four years ago allowed Parliament to review the issue and ask them to study it and ask experts to come in and make an evidence-based decision," Holland said.

Ahead of the announcement, criminal lawyer and former Ontario prosecutor David Butt said he thought the pardon system needed more of a "tweak" than an overhaul, and also wondered if the changes were being made hastily.

"Clearly, they're reacting to a big news story, and reactive policymaking in the criminal justice area is always potentially problematic," Butts said. "So we'll have to look very carefully at the response to see if it meets with more measured criteria for what should be done for this small but important issue."

Butt said that although the National Parole Board does approve most applications for pardons, the system is a good one.

"What you have to realize is that most of the people who are granted pardons are those who, at a young age, committed a relatively minor offence, whether it be shoplifting at 19, possession of a couple of joints of marijuana," he said.

"Those are the kinds of criminal records that I think everyone would agree, it's good to allow that person to move on with their life without being held back by a criminal record."

"So, sure, it's a large percentage, but it reflects the large percentage of people who move through the justice system, encounter it only once, and then move on with their lives."

Ron Jette of the Child Abuse Prevention Network agreed. He said the pardon system is necessary for making sure young people "who stepped over the line when they were kids," don't pay for their mistakes for the rest of their lives.

While Jette praised the legislation, saying that granting a child molester a pardon "would be a slap in the face to a victim," he said the law does not quite go far enough.

"I probably would have included a section where like in parole, if a pardon is being applied for, that the victims be notified and have a chance to have a standing in the process," Jette said, "where they can make a comment either live or, in cases where they don't want to, at least a written submission."

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BABE
said

AMEN Harper, it sickens that someone can actully work in a daycare that has been a molester and been pardened.


Norm in Ontario
said

I don't understand why this topic is even up for discussion. Who in their right minds would pardon a violent crime, or any crime for that matter. This crap could only happen in Canada, where a 5 yr sentence is considered cruel and harsh. The Gov't is putting on a good dog & pony show to impress the populace. Little do they know that we are not as stupid as they believe we are.If you're wrongly imprisoned, then the charges are dropped and your free. Then you sue and get 10 million dollars. JMHO


Concerned Citizen
said

1 Person is arrested convicted and Sentenced to Jail for a while (they've served time). They commited a crime to which they've actually repented for. Does this person not get to have the chance at leading a normal life because they commited the crime in the first place? or do they get allowed a Pardon because it's the only offence they've ever had and they never commit another crime their entire life again?Any repeat offender (3 convictions same type of crime)= No PardonAny Serious offender (murder) = No PardonAnd what about the kid who turned 18 and was having sex with his then 16 year old girlf friend got caught by HER parents and charged BY her parents and pled guilty to Child Molestation because he felt bad?? meanwhile their age was only 2 years apart in the GREY area? Does this guy get a Pardon or does he spend the rest of his life with out the chance to get a normal life?? According to the conviction he's a child molester, but in reality his Girlfriend's parents were just bitter pricks who wanted to ruin his life.Now what do you do?


Joe
said

It is outrageous to think that 99% of pardon applications are essentially "automatic".Read Prof Pye Chart. Succinct. Bang on. It is about time.


Linda in Vancover
said

Pardons and sealed records should be available.For SOME people convicted of SOME crimes.But ONLY after they have shown they have changed their ways.The onus should be on them to porve why society should now trust them again As the saying goes,"fool me once,shame on you.Fool me twice,shame on me. An NO ONE who abuses a child in any way should EVER receive a full pardon.Recitivism is highest among rapists and pedophiles.Law abiding citizens are entitled to know that they,and their families are safe from people already PROVEN to be capable of doing them hard. The post by "victims have a right to ----------" is a disgrace to the notion of justice.It is the typical language used by social engineers and self appointed do -gooders,who want to "guilt" you into taking their position.Here's an approach unknown to left wing socialists,how about going out a FIRST protecting the rights of victims.Once that is done,and if there is any moeny left in the kitty,talk to me about the rights of these slimy criminals. This legislation IS NOT about some silly kid who got caught stealing a car,or in possession of a joint.It IS about violent and repeat offenders with no social conscience what-so-ever. Please.If you don't like this idea,feel free to volunteer to be the person who tells the family of an abused child,that the abuser got a pardon for that very offense against another chlld. Pointy headed academics,and those who feel to "enlightened" to punish people for real crime,have no place in a real justice system.Get used to that.


Plab
said

This again is a 'punish everyone' law. It'simpler!! I was cauight siphoning $3 worth of gaz when I was 19, seriously, 39 years ago, and got a record as theft under $500. Am I considered a criminal? Conservatives seems to think so. This law is required but please put more work and more thought into it. Punish those who deserve it!


Kim
said

Typical Harper government reacting way to fast to an issue before they actually research the issue enough. It seems Harper is performing for the public rather than for the benefit of the country.Judges place the sentence on individuals when the commit a crime - not an ill-informed public or a reactionary PM.When criminals get out of jail I want them to be able to make a living so that they can pay their own way rather than ending up back in jail and having to be supported by taxation.Some people have to be able to cross a border to make a living. This James guy should not ever coach kids again - however to make a living coaching grownups - he needs to cross borders. That is why these people get pardons - so they can work.I am not saying the system was perfect however Harper is obviously trying to change it for the wrong reasons at the moment.


daryn3k
said

What you people keep failing to realize is our system isn't about protecting the guilty. We are ALL innocent and it's up to the Crown to prove that we are not Innocent. If the young offenders and small onetime criminals new to keep their mouths shut do not talk to anyone but their lawyer, behave in court, 99% of the time there is never enough evidence to convict. Never sign anything, never agree to anything. things would change in a big hurry with our judicial system. I bet a large percentage of convictions come from the statements of the criminals. After that, society reaps what it sows. you push people down, take away projects like Quint and CanSask, remove low income housing like Station 20 west (everything our province has done away with) you are going to force people into crime to survive. Like the pirates from Somalia, they have nothing they are starving, what do they do? Turn to theft. And we ALL deserve it as a society for allowing the Brad Walls and the Steven Harpers to cover up the situation instead of actually fixing it.


daryn
said

an 18 year old that has relations with a 14 year old (4 years apart) will never be able to get a pardon, and their lives are ruined forever. He will be part of the system, not be able to get jobs. High probabllility of getting into crime to help survive. A 20 year old has relations with a 16 year old, no problems???I think this government should rethink what it's about to do. They are going to make the problem bigger than make it smaller. It sounds to me like the Salem with hunts or the Spanish inquisition. KEEP RELIGION OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT we are not all christian go home Mr. Harper you are not my Prime Minister, only a small portion of Canadians even voted for you.


Tim, Houston, TX
said

I'm sorry, but anyone convicted of a major crime should never be pardoned, unless it is later proved the convicted person was, in fact, not guilty of the charges. Whether Mr. Toews wants to call it suspension of records or a pardon, I can't see how it changes the fact that we are now saying, "Oops, sorry, we didn't know that you carrying around the fact that you raped or murdered someone would cause you a measure of inconvenience finding a job or traveling to Mexico on vacation. Our mistake, we'll just fix that for you." The convict should have thought about all those inconveniences before they did their crime. And how does this name change thing change anything for the victim or victim's family. The victim or victim's family still goes through life knowing they or their loved one has been impacted while the convict slaps on suntan oil at Club Med and has a Corona. Yup, that's really fair for the victim. And as far as Mr. Butts is concerned, I'm not sure if he'd call having one of his treasured family heirlooms sold to a pawn shop, should that happen, a minor issue.Now, if Mr. Toews would please deep six that section of the Young Offenders Act that allows kids who conduct violent crimes to just walk away from their social responsibilities I think the rest of law abiding Canadians would sleep a lot more comfortably.


James T.
said

This is a good start. Personally, I believe all criminals should be stripped of their Canadian Citizenship and exiled to live out the rest of their days in Mexico. Even if we paid the Mexican government $100,000. for each Criminal they take in, it's far lest costly then ensconcing them in our luxury prisons where they alternate between sleeping and feasting while we pay the tab. How 'bout it, Steve Baby?


Dumb Kid
said

I can't believe the comments by some on here. A pardon is not erasing a persons record. It merely seals the records from employers search thus allowing someone arrested for pot possession or petty theft to move forward with their lives in a positive manner -- allowing them to now be a contributing member to society.

As some of you have said it's a good thing for that reason. However I too agree that sexual predators and violent offenders should not have their records sealed ever. It's just common sense since they are a danger to society.

Changing the law so that a kid that did something stupid 25 years ago can't move on with their lives is more than just a knee jerk reaction. It unjustly punishes the people that deserve forgiveness. Disallowing them that right allows people like Graham James to hurt someone who rightly deserved a pardon.

Last thing to think about, does Graham James lose his pardon due to this new legislation? I think you know the answer to that. He doesn't but your kid that got shoplifting might.


NS
said

I am a believer in tough on crime, but we have to be careful with this one. Some quick, once in a lifetime mistake, with nobody hurt, like a drinking and driving charge (First offence), or a bar fight assault, and we make a person unemployable? That's not the answer. That does nothing to help society, actually can create repeat offenders because of job losses. Target the repeat offenders, the violent crimes, and the assaults on our children. My 2 cents.


Allan Eizinas
said

Smoke and mirrors! So Karla Homolka still applies and gets a pardon – sorry – “sentence suspension”. These guys are sure tough on crime!


jonus
said

The Conservatives are playing with fire and my tax dollars! So lets get down to the facts. I happen to be a Canadian Citizen who has EARNED a pardon. I spent my entire 20's in and out of institutions. My criminal record was not one of violence or sex related. However way more than three indictable offenses. I did turn my life around! If not for a chance of a Pardon I would probably be doing way more serious crimes like murder or robbing banks! With all the comments I am reading, I suspect the most extreme of them like keep them locked up forever, HA that's not going to happen, and I can say this if there is no hope look out!


ws
said

I love reading Canadian news. As an American I find it quite informative to get the views and news of another country. I've always loved Canadians and Canada. I find it unfortunate that the same vitriol and nonsense exists there (i.e. conservatives and liberals fighting, namecalling and generally being abusive) as here in the U.S.


Jason in Calgary
said

This is definitely a step in the right direction and I am all for it. Someone who has committed multiple serious offences or a sexual offence against a minor should never get a record suspension. However, it is often not in society's best interest to permanently restrict someone's employability because of a minor offence committed a long time ago and that person can prove it. My only concern is that there needs to be more supervision of the parole board to ensure that record suspensions are not granted to those who don't deserve it, and victims have an opportunity to participate in the process.


Craig
said

While we are at it we should also abolish the nonsensical Young Offenders Act. Anyone who thinks that the rights and privileges of the criminal should be greater than the victim is out of their gourd. The convicted criminal lost their rights and privileges when they committed their crime and this should NEVER be given back...misguided youth or not. When people realize that they can't get away with committing a crime and simply get off with a slap on the wrist because they are a young offender, etc. perhaps people (parents) will once again raise their children to be law abiding citizens.


Ron from NS
said

It is amazing the people here who don't understand the topic at hand. I see posters saying that they should never get a pardon so they get out of jail. This isn't about being released from jail. This is about a pardon that you get after you have served your sentence and five years after you have been released and haven't re offended. So not only have people don't their time for the crime and haven't committed any other crimes now you want to keep them a criminal for life. I thought our justice system was about punishment and rehabilitation. I guess we just want to punish them for life now.

Mark
said

I agree for serious offences and repeat offences of certain crimes, this change makes sense. I also agree with the article that crimes such as shoplifting or possesion of a joint during teen years, certainly don't merit the same type of treatment. Particularily when it was a one time offence. Good people can make mistakes early in life and deserve to move on. Serious crimes deserve serious treatment - but don't lump every crime together, that would be a mistake.


Mutt from Windsor
said

I can hear the chorus of the Liberal Lawyers singing about the injustice (our breadwinners will be out of play for longer periods. How can we pay our lease on our Beemers.) The NDP will try to squeeze more money out of the Cons for the "hug a thug" programmes. The crime rate is going down because the Cons are keeping bad people in jail longer. Keep up the good work. Keeping pedophiles and gang bangers in custody longer just makes sense. Good Job!!!!!!!


Colleen
said

I totally disagree with the plan to up the waiting time for pardons for summary convictions from 3 to 5 years. Unless you personally have had a criminal record, you have no idea how it affects every aspect of your life. For petty crimes that were truly a mistake in ones past, why should we continue to "prosecute" individuals after they have proven to be upstanding citizens. Records effect volunteer opportunities, jobs, chances of adoption, travelling to the USA with family etc. The thought, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic may ring true in life but once a criminal always a criminal does not. Some might say don't commit a crime and you will not have to deal with the issue of pardons. Hind sight is 20/20 vision. Last time I checked, none of us are perfect and should not have the right to pass judgement on others.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

Carl, i was only using this article to highlight Marc Emery's plight. Unfortunatly CTV didn't allow comments on his situation, and the political fallout that it is goiing to cause. The new reformed conservatives dropped the ball by showing how little they know about Canadians, and it will come back to haunt them.


Steven Baird
said

This is wonderful news! Can we now address the sentencing issue? Child molesters are given "suspended sentences" on their first trip through our Justice System, and receive 6 months to one year on their second trip. Child pornography producers and purchasers receive fines for their first and second heinous crimes. WHY? Please tell me why!
Steven Baird
Managing Director
Street Smart Kidz
Canada
streetsmartkidz.ca


Alethia
said

I think "Pardons" should be maintained, but on a much higher bar. The new system could still be put in place beneath it.

Philosophically, I think "Pardon" is a good thing to have in society. I think of it in terms of the victim first. So a crime against someone leaves them a victim. The perp should pretty much never get a pardon, unless it was at the request of the victim--having entirely voluntarily reached a point of forgiveness. (Pedophilia would NOT be included in the pardon system).

Victimless crimes, or some might say crimes against one's own person, or against the state ought to be pardonable. But the new regulations can happen as well. They shouldn't conflict.


Retired in Burlington
said

To Carl: I agree with you totally. To all the liberal bleeding heart people who care more about criminals than they do victims all I have to say is I hope you and yours never become a victim because you wouldn't like it when the criminal gets a free pass to go out and repeat his crimes again. Hard core criminals and sex offenders can not be rehabilitated, they arn't wired the same as normal people. They don't funtion properly unless they are committing a crime. In other words they can't stand being normal, there is just no "rush" for them. Three strikes and you stay in prison forever is a law that should be passed...immediately.


Craig in Calgary
said

How can anyone be against this?


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Nick in Gatineau: Your perspective is quite interesting, if not contextually incoherent. I fail to grasp why your misguided rant was directed at me, based upon the contents of my comment. But, thanks anyway.


mylene in calgary
said

Finally some sense in the pardon system.


heading east
said

so, because i caused a disturbance or obstructed justice 5 years ago as a 20 year old I should be a crimianal for life?

Really? how will this help people who want to make a change in life?

what will happen as soon as you can no longer apply for a decent job to afford a mortgage, and a car, people will turn to crime to give their life that mean to an end.

at least there will be reasons for reoffenders.


Carl
said

@Rick in NB: This legislation has nothing to do with sentences, so it will have no impact on the amount of prison space needed. This legislation only concerns pardons - ie. the erasure of criminal records after a convicted criminal has served his or her sentence. Moreover, to those who argue against tougher sentences on the grounds that prisons cost money: I am willing to pay whatever it takes to enforce reasonable laws to protect innocent citizens. If more prisons are needed to make society safe, then go ahead and build them. We taxpayers foot the bill for countless things that are far lower on my list of priorities than safe streets. (Corporate welfare, gun registry, perverted art in the National Gallery, etc.)


Victims have a right to justice - not revenge
said

I see now...punch a conservative in the nose and he'll shoot you in the face, feel justified by it and preach that this the conduct that anyone who has been trespassed against should follow because being punched hurts sooooooo much. Just keep on calling evryone else who has human empathy a "bleeding heart": obviously conservatives don't understand social phenomenon...oops, did I use the word social? I must therefore be a communist, right? My bad....


Ken - Calgary
said

The only change that needs to be made (aside from the renaming, which is entirely appropriate) is to make convict satisfy a REVERSE ONUS in order to be granted a record suspension. We should proceed on a case by case basis, and all offences should be eligible for this application (it's a no-brainer that it would be extremely hard to satisfy the reverse onus for some offences)... The decision as to whether or not the applicant had satisfied the reverse onus would be subject to appeal. It's so simple; the Tories are so incompetent.


JB in Calgary
said

I think if the law broken doesn't involve a gun/weapon or changed the life/lives of other people, it should still be called a pardon. Especially if the law was broken under the age of 25.


Ruralgirl
said

As I was reading this story, I thought to myself, this is wonderful! Who, regardless of party affiliation, could possibly think this is a bad move? Then I read the comments.This is a necessary move. It is an insult to victims and society in general that almost everyone that applies for a pardon gets one! And to listen to the logic of some posters - we have to pretend the crime didn't happen to prevent the criminal from committing another crime? What?! These bleeding heard, everyone deserves the chance to break the law, Harper is a bully liberals are too partisan to see the forest for the trees. How about considering what is best for the country instead of what is best for the hopefully soon-to-be obsolete Liberal party.


PB_Toronto
said

@Prof. Pye Chartt & Dennis L. Krahn- I couldnt agree with you more...- All anyone has to do is take a day and sit in a court room to know how bad our justice system is. The system seem to go out of its way to protect the guilty and does very little to help or protect victims and law abiders.


Doug from Whitehorse
said

I think that part of the uproar over the Graham James issue is that most people don't understand what a pardon is. It does not remove your criminal record. If you have one, you always will have one.A pardon simply means that your criminal record is not stored in the same way that an unpardoned record is. If you are pardoned and the US customs and immigration service have noted your record on their files, do not expect to be able to enter the US. My biggest concern here is that there is a trend towards legislating to meet the exceptional circumstances rather than the usual one. I don't, however, really worry about whether or not a pardon is issued after a longer period or not. As mentioned in the article, most pardons are granted for minor offenses, many of which were committed by minors. And, to be honest, if the same system of "what a pardon actually is" is maintained, does it really matter what you call it.For what it's worth, our premier was pardoned after being convicted and did jail time for heroin trafficking. This still does not mean that no one knows of his record and, because of his position, he apparently required some special agreement to allow him to travel into the US.


Dave S
said

@Wendy
And i am sure you are another one that thinks the young offender program is a good idea right, how about people being held accountable for their actions just like it was when i was young, we did not do these crimes because we knew what would have happened to us even as kids, thats the problem everybody has an excuse, they were on drugs, booze they have a mental problem.
Bring back the death penalty for rapists, murders and gang members for all i care they would all deserve what they got:remember prisoners have a better life than some good people on the outside


Criminals are SO STUPID
said

Pardons should NEVER be issued for any crime against people. If you do the crime, you should do the time.

We 'SOCIETY' are going to put you in jail if you commit crimes against us. Mark our words, you WILL be put in jail, and we won't lose any tears over you.

It constantly amazes me how criminals think they can be the ones who get away. The police catch almost 95% of all criminals who commit crimes against people. I mean duhhh...are you criminals the stupidest people on the planet? You can't get away, so why not get some small amount of brains, and just not do the crime??

What a bunch of duffesses!


peter in MB
said

Crime is not on the decline as Wendy would like us to believe. Crimes are just not being reported or prosecuted in courts. For example the Tim McLean incident when Vice Lee stabbed and killed Tim McLean on a gray hound buss. Vice lee was found not criminally responsible. So as far as stats Canada is concerned (the murder NEVER happened!!!) Try explaining that to the family Wendy!!! Vine Lee will not need a pardon because Vince Lee dose not have a criminal record, because he did not commit a crime (God told him to do it). Vine lee will back on the streets with in 5 years.


Nick in Gatineau
said

@Prof. Pye Chart... Most Canadians do not even know when they are breaking the law until the cops or the bouncer shows up. They do not know when they are infringing on someone's rights unless the person they are attacking is a visible minority. Sorry your honnor, I didn't know he was handicapped ! (Didn't the wheelchair give it away ?)You want to fix the system ? Enough of these millionaires / Corporate execs who commit fraud and get a fine for their actions - Confiscate all their assets and minimum 10 year jail sentences. Enough with these MPs and Ex-MPs who break the very laws they wrote and get off - 10 jail sentences and pensions revoked for the 10 year term. These people don't hurt 1 person, they hurt 100, 1000, 1 million people at a time; they hurt the integrity of the positions they hold. Mandatory 5 year sentence for 1st offence Drunk Driving;2nd offence - 20 years. You want to push the Calgary way - then prove its worth the air it took to outline it.


Tony_42
said

I agree with getting tough on serious offenders but the problem is the Cons view somebody who grows 6 plants and makes hash brownies a serious criminal. Their "tough on crime" agenda is nothing more than political pandering. They would be happy to round up all the pot smokers and other drug users to create a thriving prison industry just like in the US where users and addicts are a mainstay for the prison industry. Fascism is on the rise in Canada.


PBW
said

Wendy, if "The crime rate in Canada has been on a general decline since 1991 so our system was working", why is it that so many crimes are reported daily? Sure, the rate per hundred thousand may be down, but the number of hundred thousands has increased (population growth), thus yielding MORE crimes by actual numbers as opposed to statistics. Pardons should ONLY be given to those who were convicted improperly and were later found to be innocent. The proposal placing the onus on the applicant to prove compliance with the law after release from prison is reasonable too. If a reformed criminal really needs a suspension of record, he or she will gladly do the work necessary to obtain it. Besides, taxpayers have paid for the person to be tried and incarcerated already: why should they pay for that person to have a suspension of record or pardon? Some responsibility must be taken by the person concerned: that is a sure sign that a lesson has been learned.


Jon, Alberta
said

Roll right on Harper! Your seemingly conservative approach to everything anti-Canadian will count against you in the next election. Harper is ashamed to be Canadian. Think about it people. Who does Harper think he is to determine what second chances someone receives or does not receive? Perhaps the pardon system does need review, but bully approaches like Harper in an attempt to solve social problems flies in the face of an educated, sophisticated, and contemporary society. No matter how noble the retoric sounds, we need to proceed with caution and balance, even in the most difficult and trying of all issues.


Doug # BC
said

This wil be a difficult issue,and it must be done with caution.That said,though,like our system for autoaitc parole,it must be addressed.And BOTH these issues need to be concerned with public safety first,and the rights of the criminal in second place. And,"Wendy",there were just as many of your left wing friends outraged by the pardon system as there were Conservatives.How about,just for once,getting on the issue,and off of the politcal spin,or the Harper Hating retoric? THis will be tricky,but pardons,parole,and pensions for child killers can be addressed in ways that are fair.Not ONLY to the criminal,but to the general public.And,for my part,it is the general public whoul should get priority of the criminal. Going soft on crime may seem sympathetic to the plight of the "poor" criminal.It is,in reality,an attack on law abiding citizens.It is an outrage to suggest that,if we give criminals enough money, or don't impose sanctions on them,they will show compassion and gratitude towards society by not inflictiong more pain,on more innocent victims. In short,the justice system brought in by the late,Rt.Hon.P.Trudeau,has failed us all.Failed very miserably,in fact.Statistics only prove that figures lie,and liars figure.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Prof. Pye Chart: I was going to respond to Wendy, no need, you have mirrored my thoughts.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

Combine this proposal with Harper's new marijuana legislation and we'll be building penal institutes for years. As a matter of fact, our largest employer will be the Solicitor General. It's funny how Austrailia evolved from a penal colony to a great democracy. Now Harper wants to turn a great democracy into a penal colony. Justice Minister Robert Nicholson has already begun cleaning house, yesterday he got rid of the F.B.I.'s most wanted ( Marc Emery ). We can sleep better known the satanic seed seller is behind bars.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

It would seem to make sense to pardon those who have made mistakes through the ignorance of youth or misadventure and this proposed legislation seems to take that in to consideration. However, when it comes to violence against another human, there should be absolutely no pardon and in many instances, no release back in to society.

To learn that Graham James and others like him have been granted "pardons" is an abomination beyond description. I will support legislation that deprives scum like that of anything resembling a pardon. However, I would be a great deal happier if individuals like James were confined to a penal institution for the rest of their lives.


Martin of NS
said

Only those who commit outstanding/long lasting harm such as rape, murder, molestation or anything that permanently affects a person and their family should never be given a pardon. Those sorts of crimes are unforgivable, and should never be hidden. Crimes involving petty theft, minor assault, pocession of marijuana, ect should be pardoned soon after the time/punishment has been served. People CAN learn from those sorts of mistakes. By giving them an extended criminal record could hinder them from getting better jobs, and thus bringing them back into the spiral of petty theft and crime, costing the tax payers more money......


Richard in Ontario
said

@Wendy. So as a bleeding heart Liberal, soft on crime, you believe that the Karla Homolka and the Hockey coach that abused the players should receive a full pardon. Even though it can't be proved that they will not repeat their offences. I want the leftie soft on crime parties to look after the average citizen in this country not the Criminals. Enough pandering etc... I know also that the Crimian lawyers will be resisting this with all their might, since it will cut down on their pay cheques. Finally a government that sees that our Justice system isn't working to prevent crime.


Peter in MB
said

@Wendy violent crime is on the rise and over 76% of violent crime is committed by repeat offenders. As for crime declining since 1991, that is false information. The only thing that has declined is the number of charges laid by the crown against criminals. The rank and file police have seen charges being dropped by the courts for minor crimes like theft and vandalism, but they have seen increases in crime reported but no charges are laid by the crown. You can thank your liberals the youth criminal justice act for that! So is crime on the decline? or are less criminals being charged and convicted? It’s the same philosophy as the gun registry being used 10,000 times a day, but it’s the opposite. Just because changes are dropped or plea barged away in court dose not mean that the crime did not happen… try asking the victim!!!


Pat
said

I am happy they are doing something good for ounce, but I am affraid that this is just political maneuvering due to the fact that there might be an election soon and they will now argue that the oposition parties are for letting loose sex offenders and murderers. I really wonder why they table this built now and not a month after their last election.I dearly hope that if there is an election, that this bill will be brought back to the table fast because we need this.


CYL
said

Pardon me !!! I cannot believe this issue. Is this another slap on the wrist. Pardon ? for criminals. Is this man for real. No one criminal who is convicted, proven to be guilty, should serve and be locked away for their full term, and more. It should be the decision of the victim(s) family to determine their pardon should the criminal apply for it.


Greg
said

It's about time. If you commit a serious sex offence, or violent offence, you should never be pardoned. Keep then in jail until they die. If they do get out, keep it on record. There is no excuse for that behaviour and society does not need these thugs on our streets.


EZ
said

Thank you Dennis L. Krahn
Fortunately most of the country agrees with you.

Wendy give your head a shake. Save your sympathy for victims and their families. There is no FREE RIDE. Enough of this nonsense - do you really want Karla Homolka living next door? or working at your company? or marrying a family member?
Get real - criminals should be treated without special conditions or privileges.
Give a criminal the same sympathy he/she gave the victim.



Throw away the key
said

Well it's about bloody time.


mahanna ali
said

the liberal stench is slowly but surely washing away...p.s. - i'm not referring to the many accomplisments of the liberal party of old (as in the pre-trudeau era)


adm
said

This is a much needed piece of legislation and to those who are calling it a waste of time and a distraction just wait until you are or someone you know is a a victim of a major crime and see if you still feel the same way.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Wendy: Once again, you're grossly out of touch with average Canadians, Wendy, and are simply reconfirming why your Liberal party and its golden-boy, Michael Ignatieff, are trapped in Nowheresville. Favoring criminals and dismissing a rational and acceptable sense of public justice, while giving victims the finger, won't endear you to anybody...and will only ensure that you remain on the political "outside," with your nose pressed against the window glass, looking "inside." Time to get a clue. The desperate everything-and-the-kitchen-sink rants aren't getting you and your Liberal party anywhere.


Brenda Dumont
said

The case-by-case merits of each case MUST be considered! Look at the case of Karla Homolka (now Leanne Teale?) .. whose crimes were labelled as "manslaughter" under the terms of a plea agreement! NO mention of sex crimes!I am personally in favour of the mechanism of pardons for many deserving individuals, however, there MUST be a strict interpretation of the guidelines to prevent a miscarriage such as the Homolka(Teale) plea bargain fiasco!


Glenn McDonald
said

If your charged and convicted, why would you be pardoned and your records erased.Keep the charge on record.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Mr. Butt: You think the parole system needs a 'tweak'? Any system that paroled Graham James and then tries to explain it away with 'occasional' and 'most parolees are young people who need another chance' does need not need to be tweaked, it needs an overhaul. We have evolved into a society that is populated by people who do not know what it means to be responsible for ones actions and who feel that they are 'entitled' to the good life without working and earning the good life. Our justice system caters to criminals at the expense of victims; there is a single group of people responsible for this fiasco; we the electorate, we the electorate now have the responsibility to rectify the problem.


Jim
said

Pardons should be issued almost automatically for everything but crimes involving murder, rape, molestation, extreme fraud, or extreme drug-related offenses. Those who have committed relatively minor offenses and have done their time with good conduct should be able to get on with the rest of their lives.For those that are guilty of serious crimes, or those that did not do their time with good behaviour, then pardons should be increasingly hard to come by.


Dean in Abby
said

What is the point of going to jail if you can get a pardon later? Isn't that like saying the event didn't happen?


B. Kelley, Ontario
said

It makes sense to issue pardons to people who commit minor criminal offences, serve their sentences and demonstrate, over a significant period of time, that the lesson was learned and the person has become a law-abiding citizen. However, those who commit crimes that end or permanently reduce the quality of life of their victims should never be pardoned. People who have been murdered, raped, molested, permanently disabled or impoverished by criminals can never be "pardoned" from their inflicted loss and neither should their perpetrators. Karla Homolka comes to mind.


Chad In London
said

OK...all the left-wing bleeding heart, "we can reform anyone - no matter what their crime" will chime in on how this is a bad idea...IMO, it's nice to hear a story that actually puts the rights of the victim ahead of the "rights' of the criminal (or the person who served their time". The fact Graham James got pardoned is such a kick in the stomach to the men he abused...


Stu from London
said

They should probably consider each case a little locser, but keep to a case by case basis. A sex offender should certainly be more scutinized than someone who was charged with minor shoplifting or marajuana possesion. Pretty simple really.


Wendy
said

If a person can't find a job this has potential to create more crime. What are the statistics, how many people with pardons re offend? The crime rate in Canada has been on a general decline since 1991 so our system was working. Harper is just looking for things to distract from, Jaffer, Afghan detainee issue & the G8 abortion issue. This is another one of the Prorogue Minister & his Corruptservatives super do nothing bills. What a waste of time & money.


Carl
said

No repeat sex offender, no repeat violent offender and no murderer should ever be eligible for a pardon. In fact, repeat sex offenders and repeat murderers can never be rendered harmless to society, and should never get out of jail until they die. Ever. Period.


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