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Peter Tinsley, the former chair of the Military Police Complaints Commission, speaks with CTV's Question Period on Sunday, Dec. 13, 2009.

After detainee obstacles, future of MPCC in doubt

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Peter Tinsley, the former chair of the Military Police Complaints Commission, speaks with CTV's Question Period on Sunday, Dec. 13, 2009.

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Peter Tinsley, the former chair of the Military Police Complaints Commission, speaks with CTV's Question Period on Sunday, Dec. 13, 2009.

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Date: Sun. Dec. 13 2009 10:03 PM ET

The outgoing head of the Military Police Complaints Commission says the government's refusal to release uncensored confidential documents about Afghan prisoners puts the future of the watchdog in question.

"It leaves the commission in an extremely difficult position," Peter Tinsley told CTV's Question Period on Sunday. "This raises a whole myriad of issues at law, as to whether the commission can legally proceed."

Tinsley has been overseeing the commission's public hearings into the controversial Afghan detainee issue. However, the government has refused to turn over uncensored documents, citing security concerns -- despite the MPCC having the necessary security clearance.

"The reason that was given when we went to a public hearing and the documents stopped flowing was that security considerations required that to occur," Tinsley said.

"There should have and could have been full access to documents with the concern being what goes out on the street. And the commission is as concerned about security interests and the interests of the Canadian Forces as any other agency of the government."

The MPCC also has the authority to block sensitive information from the public.

Tinsley would not speculate on why the government has resisted turning over documents. Some files have been turned over, but have been heavily censored.

The government has chosen not to extend or renew Tinsley's term as commissioner. His last day was Friday.

Tinsley, who left the army in 1998 as a lieutenant-colonel in the Judge Advocate General's office, was appointed in 2005 for a four-year term.

He had previously served as the senior prosecutor of Canadian soldiers during the public inquiry into the 1993 torture and killing of a Somali teen by Canadian paratroopers.

The MPCC was created partly as a response to that torture incident in Somalia, with a mandate to "examine complaints arising from either the conduct of military police members in the exercise of policing duties or functions or from interference in or obstruction of their police investigations."

While the MPCC has faced resistance from the government, so has a parliamentary committee that is also investigating the detainee issue.

Last month, diplomat Richard Colvin told the committee it is likely all detainees Canadian soldiers handed over to Afghan authorities were tortured. He also testified he tried warning government officials about torture but was told to censor his reports from the field.

Colvin was at one point Canada's No. 2 official in Afghanistan.

Vote over documents

On Friday, opposition MPs voted in Parliament to demand the Harper government release thousands of pages of uncensored records on Afghan detainees.

However, after the vote, International Trade Minister Stockwell Day said the government would make use of a law that allows it not to release documents on security grounds.

The vote came on the heels of a revelation by Canadian Gen. Walt Natynczyk, who said Wednesday that a prisoner handed over to Afghan authorities by Canadians was beaten while in Afghan custody.

Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh, a member of the parliamentary committee, told Question Period that the prime minister, as well as Defence Minister Peter MacKay, should have known about allegations of abuse.

Laurie Hawn, MacKay's parliamentary secretary, denied that senior government officials in Ottawa knew of the allegations.

"Gen. Natynczyk corrected himself with new information that he got," Hawn told Question Period. "And we can play semantics -- the guy was briefly detained by Canadians and turned over to the Afghans. It's not like he was brought back to (Kandahar Airfield) processed and then turned over to the (National Directorate of Security). So you can play word games all you want. Yes, he was detained. But if Gen. Natynczyk didn't know, then how is Minister MacKay to know?"

Hawn repeated the government's assertion that it would not turn over any documents it feels would compromise the security of Canadian soldiers or their partners in Afghanistan.

But committee member and NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar said the parliamentary committee would continue to dig for information about who knew what and when.

"After the general's bombshell that he dropped this past week, we need to hear from others about what was happening on the ground. And quite frankly I'm concerned about not only the original agreement that was signed on detainee transfers, but the present one, and how it's being adhered to and followed," Dewar said.

"We need to find out who was accountable here, because that's really what this is about."

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Soldier
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I served in Afghanistan and for the life of me I can't now understand why I risked so much. As I watch news stories and read these stupid articles, it baffels me that so many who know nothing about the situation first hand, love to feel the need to voice their opinion. The problem is you all take these elected officials with their own agendas and the media stories designed to sell papers as fact. Let me say this, the whole thing sickens me. I could have left my wife and 3 children alone in this world, for what I ask you? Your all divided, politicians are divided, what does this tell our soldiers today on the ground. War is hell, just ask yourself would it be better if we were not there? NO. Does the Canadian soldier torture prisoners? NO Soldiers line up to go on this tour, that should tell you something. Evidently it's worth it, we have the same values as you and we have been there and see it first hand. As described in the one incident by the CDS, they went and got that prisoner back as soon as they witnessed abuse. Lets get on with it, government has so many other things that it could be working together on to fix.


Peter in MB
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Well I have stands all I can stand and I can’t stands no more. Peter McKay has no reason to resign, as minister of defense his job is Canada’s national security and the defense of Canadians citizens and Canada and ONLY Canada. If anyone should resign it should be the irresponsible members of the opposition who support the idea of an inquest that would put the safety of our solders at risk and Canada national security with not one shred of proof of their allegations.Father more the opposition needs to apologize to our solders and especially to the families who will have an EMPTY spot at the dinner table this holiday season. Because Thanks to the actions of members of the Taliban!!! The same Taliban!!! whose rights you feel are more important than Canadians. Because of the actions of Taliban Members Some family members will NEVER again be coming home for Christmas. You left wing nut jobs liberals and your cultist supporter truly make me sick. You need a good swift kick in the moral compass because its not par for the course. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, shame on you!!! Shame! Shame! Shame!!!!!!!


TVic in Guelph
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Another typical Harperite tactic: If you figure that you won't like the message, shoot the messenger and don't replace him/her. So much for democracy in Canada.


Slewhigh Yendick
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Well I suppose Canada COULD get out of the business of war.. We are generally a nation of pacifists anyway,, we love to be kind to all sorts of low life 'freedom fighters'. We always treat foreigners MUCH better than our own citizens. I guess to save face , we COULD disband our entire military be under funding it.... Oh wait,,, the liberals already tried that.........


Peeon
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Sounds like there are a lot of educated people on here. Not me, but I can explain to you this. mockery -Definition something absurdly or offensively inadequate or unfittingExample:The Taliban consider the western way of life and western culture as the gateway and pathway to a corrupt life. At the same time they want to be protected by the Western Laws.You will never in a million years change the ideologies of the Taliban. So why protect them? Unless??????


Diana1976
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The strange reality of the detainee monitoring system was ALL four parties agreed that the one the LIBS set up just before leaving office needed to be strengthened.The BLOC, NDP and the LIBS all demanded that the CONS should do it, and the CONS did it. BUT, even while they were doing it, the CONS told the Opposition there WAS no torture problem and NO NEED to change the agreement. AND they smeared the Opposition with charges of being "anti-military" even though it was mostly a Foreign Affairs matter.The CONS didn't even tell anybody when they changed the agreement. The Opposition found out inadvertently. That's the way the CONS do things. Who can explain it? They went too far when they smeared Colvin. Then they were done in by some ethical troops and an honest general, and maybe by the straight shooting head of the MPC who they fired.


Observer
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Its funny that the same crowd who screams bloody murder about a few civilians being mixed in with Taliban prisoners who were captured, transfered to Afghan authorities and subsequently mistreated are the same group of flower children who want us out of Afghanistan post-haste. It seems to me that if we pull out and the Taliban undoes all of the progress made, those demanding our pull-out...I'm looking at you Taliban Jack and his NDP seals... will have far more to be shameful for than a few roughed up terrorists, you'll have the blood of thousands of real innocents on your hands as the Taliban exacts revenge on those we left behind.


Andrea in Ottawa
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What people have to realize is that this whole thing with the govt not handing over the documents makes the govt look really secretive. To me, it looks like they are hiding something.We need a public inquiry. If the govt does not allow one , there will be huge problems on the international level with our foreign relations, and international trade. Our Govt could end up in international court.And if they do end up in court, it could slow down international trade , and foreign relations with other countries .If countries reject to do business or develop a relationship with us, it could hurt our import and export of products, and services. If that happens businesses will lose profits, and then their could be more lay offs.Then they would all be on the unemployment system.Canada will have a hard time to shine on the international side. For the Business Owners that have a global business infrastructure, put your faith in the govt aside for a moment and ask yourselves this following question.Is that what you want for our country?


Bee
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A Liberal government would do the same thing. It doesn't matter who you vote for, they ultimately all have the same agenda. It's time for a new party that has not been compromised and infiltrated by those with a NWO agenda. One that puts individual liberties to the forefront.


gc in ns
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Here is the mandate of the MPCC taken from their website, "The Commission was established as a quasi-judicial, independent civilian agency to examine complaints arising from either the conduct of military police members in the exercise of policing duties or functions or from interference in or obstruction of their police investigations'The demise of this commission has been a long time coming. They have an almost 5 million dollar budget per year and conducted 1 or 2 minor investigations about Military Police conduct a year. That is why they are trying to push there way into something that is not within their mandate. There was no complaint made against any Military Police in the conduct of their policing function in this issue. The military police are at war the same as every other Canadian Soldier in Afghanistan. Prisoners of war and the handling thereof is not a policing function and that is why the MPCC does not have jurisdiction over this issue. They are merely trying to save their jobs, why because there is nothing else for them to investigate, if there are no complaints against the Military Police, the commission has no work. No work = no jobs.


Toby
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Just one more point to underscore the fact that the Harper Team is in fact a dictatorship.We do not need to know all the details. Harper just admit that you are a liar.


Chris
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wendy and all! Transparency???Do you really want to give the protected information to the Taliban supporter libs and NDP?I don't!!


happy
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I fear facism has gained a foothold in Ottawa and Harper wants to be the first dictator of Canada and I'm not the first person to think so.


schpid
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Nice to see our opposition parties giving so much good propaganda to the Taliban. Way to help govern. Of course all prisoners turned over during the Liberal times were given hot showers and put up in 4 star hotels. The facts are there and this issue came out years ago. When the troops discovered or thought that their prisoners were being or in danger of being tortured, they took them back. In fact a whole new protocol was established. Political grandstanding once again and a real black eye for all politicians. Just proves that there is no way Canada can ever be properly governed when the only thing the parties are really worried about is how they can discredit the others and who is in charge of the sandbox. No wonder why things like climate change, child poverty and the economy will never be "fixed"Thanks again.


Pat - Ottawa
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As most of this article is about the release of redacted documents, it would be good if the armchair pundits read the Access to Information Act. A key section is 13., it deals with information from other governments. The Act says: "13. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the head of a government institution shall refuse to disclose any record requested under this Act that contains information that was obtained in confidence from(a) the government of a foreign state or an institution thereof;(b) an international organization of states or an institution thereof;(c) the government of a province or an institution thereof; (d) a municipal or regional government established by or pursuant to an Act of the legislature of a province or an institution of such a government; or,(e) an aboriginal government. Where disclosure authorized(2) The head of a government institution may disclose any record requested under this Act that contains information described in subsection (1) if the government, organization or institution from which the information was obtained(a) consents to the disclosure; or,(b) makes the information public.”Note it clearly states that information from foreign governments MUST not be released, without their consent. I can only guess that some out there expect our government to break Canadian law because it suits their personal agendas. Nothing like expecting it both ways.


Diana1976
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The Conservatives are worried about further damage to their credibility, not national security.Their credibility problem results from a PR strategy borrowed from Republicans. It tends to keep political opponents off balance and, while it can make underlings look dishonest or stupid, as in this case, it usually protects the leader.I think that PR strategy works better in a presidential system than a parliamentary one, for a number of reasons, which the Conservatives may be discovering. Perhaps, too late.


MARG MM
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B.C is definately NOT Liberal all the way to Ottawa,just a few urban ridings, and Ujjal Dosanjh is NDP disguised as a Liberal.This is just another desperate attempt by the opposition to try to discredit PM Harper and the Conservatives. If indeed releasing sensitive documents would impede security for the soldiers, then they shouldn't be released.This all started under a Liberal Gov't , so this witch hunt seems pretty hypocritical.


Jim Lad
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Judging by Warren Kinsella's little stunt on Power Play a couple of days ago, I have to say that it will be a very long time before any opposition MP will ever be allowed access to secret documents.


my take on this
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If there was a Liberal government in power the Conservatives, NDP and the Bloc Québécois would be wanting to get to the bottom of this issue. Who knew about the torture allegations and did nothing is what Canadians need to know.

Allan Eizinas
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Nuclear watchdog fired. Election spending watchdog ignored. Military Police watchdog fazed out. Ethics Committee (watchdogs) ignored. Foreign Affairs diplomat (Colvin – watchdog) pilloried. Commons (watchdog) Committee on Afghanistan prisoner abuse stymied. It looks like the Harperites do not like watchdogs. I wonder why?

Mark 5
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The oposition doesn`t rally care about the Afghan detainees. If they did, they would be calling for an investigation of the Afghan governement and how it handles prisoners. The opposition is simply up to its old political game of trying to discredit the governement so they can score points. And the anti-war people are jumping on the bandwagon too. Jean Chretien closed the Somalia inquiry before it was finished and that involved real abuse of prisoners by our soldiers. Prisoners in Afghanistan legally have to be turned over to the Afghans within a few days. In times of conflict, things that do not concern direct combat are not given priority because all attention must be focused on missions and keeping our soldiers alive. When the info finally filtered through that the detainees might be being mistreated, the situation was rectified. The Conservatives inherited this war and when they first came to power, they were not experts at all of this. These things take time and a learning curve develops. The Conservative governement should be given some slack and benfit of the doubt but we all know that politics is a dirty game and that the opposition parties are desperate. The way they are dividing the country is shameful really.

Garry in NS
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I do believe that in order for MPs to see classified documents, they must first be subject to the Official Secrets Act. I believe only those MPs who are Ministers are subject to that. In any event, I would not want to see classified information being given to the opposition for any reason regardless of who makes up the oppisition. I certainly would not trust any members of the NDP or BQ with such info.


Canada Goose Whistler
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For those that say who cares this is a non issue. Why do you waste your time reading the article? Why do you bother commenting on a non issue? You sound angry so, why do you keep breathing. If torture is ok with you then please move to a country where it's accepted. I for one am a proud Canadian, I want to be respected when I travel to other countries. Harper is consistent at one thing and that is embarrassing canada on the world stage.

Dr. M
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One of the fundamental pillars of any democracy is the power of the people to hold their government accountable for its actions. Watchdog agencies are doing us all a favour by rooting out government corruption, from the Liberals Adscam to the Conservatives Afghanigate, as taxpayers and citizens, we have a right to know what our government is up to, so that they can be held acountable at the next election. What are those of you who oppose this process offering in its place? Why do you feel that Canadian citizens have no right to know the truth about their government, Liberal or Conservative? Unless you're complete hypocrities, you want to expose wrongdoing on both sides of the isle. So unless you can offer an answer, stop supporting the end of this or any other investigation.

Joanne from Barrie
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Are all you people forgetting that the detainees/prisioners were the Taliban/al Quida? These people are the absolute scum of the earth....they would slit our throats at the blink of an eye....Please can we move on to something that matters.All you bloody Liberals, please take a moment and just think about what you are complaining about. These people want to kill us.....


Jonny Be Gut, Quebec City
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Who cares! The holier than thou Canadian media, and their spineless followers, who actually assumes a majority of Canadians cares about this non-issue need to shut-up. This isn't an honourable enemy we are fighting, it's a bunch of cave dwelling bottom-feeders who should be hunted down and eliminated. Heck even Nazis didn't behead our soldiers when they captured them in combat. Here's an idea, I say we send over all those bleeding hearts that continue to care about this story to fight this conflict. Let them tea-bag the Taleban into surrender. Go make your country proud you bleeding heart warriors! See how far it gets you.


Media Watchdog
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The Military Police Complaints commission is not the “Afghan detainee watchdog”. In fact their mandate is not even Afghanistan specific. It is to handle all complaints against the Military Police and was created in 1998 as a result of a SCONDVA recommendation, long before we ever even thought about going into Afghanistan. The Liberal chair and some of its members are trying to expand the commission’s scope beyond its mandate, wanting it to conduct a backdoor full scale judicial inquiry on the Afghanistan mission for purely political reasons. This is why the government is refusing to cooperate. What is disappointing is that CTV is failing in their responsibility to the public. They cannot or will not even report the facts regarding the purpose of the commission accurately. It is little wonder that the public now has even less faith in the media than they do in politicians.


Bill in BC
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The MPCC has been hujacked by those who don't want to follow the law. I am not referring to the government but the weenies at Amnesty International, the Liberal & NDP parties etc. The SOLE function of the MPCC is to investigate complaints against the Military Police of the Canadian Forces. Using this commission for political ends against the government taints it irrevocably. The government is perfectly correct to refuse access to the MPCC as it is acting BEYOND ITS MANDATE and trespassing into political action. As for the detainee issue, it is a complete political fabrication that has only one goal, to attack the government. The instigators and media should be ashamed of themselves for misleading Canadians and attempting an end run around the law. But rest assured, Canadians will remember come elections time; the electorate has a long memory despite what the "spin doctors" claim.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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@ Sober, Newmarket; If this were some guilt ridden liberal, they would have come forward sooner. Alleged detainee abuse became an issue when Harper took his slow boat to China. This has all the makings of a whipping from the old PC guard. These people know where all the skeletons are hidden. Now they are going to use one to teach Peter MacKay a lesson on PC loyalty.


allan
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Good, I hope they shutdown, it will save some tax dollars


Gary from Vermont
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good get rid of the mpcc and the tax dollar waste..and the liberal whiners will have one less forum to undermine our military policies..The political correctness and political grandstanding is gonna be the death of your great nation if you allow it..Much like what is gonna happen in obamastan..Liberals are selling us out lock, stock and barrel where we now bow and apologize to our enemies...


Andrea
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If this where tax money that they where stealing or a program here in Canada that was being abused, I might care more. What another country does to its own citizens is none of our business. It may be sad and we may not agree, but that is life. I just wish the NDP and Liberals would do more than look for problems. We are all human....there will be problems. That being said I haven't heard anyway to fix the problem by either the NDP or Liberals. Or has this problem already been fixed by the government a couple years ago when these incidents happened? This is becoming a really big waste of money. Man I hate politics. All those in favor say "I".

Sober, Newmarket
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Somebody is hoping to score some brownie points with this issue that clearly matters more to some guilt-ridden liberal thinkers in Canada than Afghans themselves. Its their way of dealing with such matters and we cannot force our ways on them. The very culture there is violent: their attitudes towards women, others of different religious persuasion, criminal justice, etc. Yes, it is repulsive to us, but we cannot be held responsible for their actions in accordance to their beliefs.I feel for our troops there that have to live with dangers on the battlefield and dangers at home from their own. I salute them for their courage and willingness to work their way through the minefields in Afghanistan and political shells at home.


jesse
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This is all a big farce. This government has no shame or, it looks at this point, ethics either. And they represent me as a Canadian. That upsets me a lot.

Wendy
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Where is the transparency that Harper promised?Another day of Conservative babble. It always makes me laugh. Every now and again I read how the BC libs lean towards the conservatives. Please tell me why Ujjal Dosanjh, a Vancouver Liberal, dosen't. Why? Because BC is liberals all the way to Ottawa.

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