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Minister of National Defence Peter MacKay rises to answer a question during question period on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Wednesday, Dec. 9, 2009. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Defence Minister Peter MacKay answers a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Ont., Thursday December 10, 2009. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick) Liberal leader Micheal Ignatieff answers a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Ont., Thursday December 10, 2009. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick) Defence Minister Peter MacKay appears before a parliamentary committee on Wednesday, Dec. 9, 2009. Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Walter Natynczyk speaks at a news conference at National Defence headquarters in Ottawa Wednesday, Dec. 9, 2009. (Fred Chartrand / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Government pushed to release Afghan torture reports

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CTV National News: Roger Smith on the standoff
The Liberals made one last attempt to keep the Afghan detainee issue alive before Parliament broke for Christmas on Thursday, demanding the release of uncensored documents showing how the federal government dealt with allegations of torture.
CTV News Channel: Tom Clark on the debate's direction
CTV Power Play host Tom Clark says the detainees issue appears to be shaping up as a confrontation between the government and the Parliament of Canada, and there is no turning back now since Canadian Gen. Walt Natynczyk called a military inquiry after revealing new information Wednesday.
Power Play: Ron Lunau, lead counsel
The senior counsel for the Afghanistan Public Interest Hearing explains whether the next chair of the Military Complaints Commission will pursue the documents and witnesses related to the Afghan detainee controversy.
Power Play: Journalists discuss the documents
Murray Brewster of the Canadian Press and Steven Chase of The Globe and Mail discuss how the government has refused to release unedited documents based on claims of national security.
Power Play: Analysts on the Tories response
Political analysts Gerry Nicholls, Jean Lapierre and Nik Nanos whether the detainee issue and the government's handling of it will resonate with Canadians.
CTV News Channel: Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff
The Liberal Leader says the Grits are fed up with the Tories refusal for an inquiry and says the time has come for a public inquiry with judicial powers. He also says his party won't stop pressuring the PM until they get the truth.
CTV News Channel: Michael Geoghegan, consultant
A political consultant says it is extremely naïve for anyone to assume that torture and abuse is not commonplace throughout the Middle East but says it is not a big enough matter for MacKay to resign given the conduct of the armed forces.
Question period: Liberals hammer Tories
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh blast the prime minister for his continued refusal for a public inquiry into the handling of detainees and say the Tories have something to hide.
Question period: NDP Leader Jack Layton slams PM
NDP Leader Jack Layton says the prime minister should do the honourable thing and ask the minister of defence to resign and begin an inquiry into the handling of detainees immediately.
Question period: Bloc MPs question the Tories
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe blasts the prime minister for not asking Peter MacKay to resign and says it is impossible to put trust in a government who has gone to great lengths to hide the facts.
CTV News Channel: John Ibbitson, Globe and Mail
Despite the fallout over the Afghan detainee issue and the call for Defence Minister Peter MacKay's resignation, MacKay may escape the scandal unscathed -- but as things unfold his future political ambitions may be in jeopardy.
CTV News Channel: Graham Richardson in Ottawa
CTV's parliamentary correspondent describes how foreign diplomats are unhappy with how far the government went to discredit Richard Colvin, the one-time No. 2 diplomat in Afghanistan.
Canada AM: Opposing MPs debate the controversy
The parliamentary secretary to the minister of defence and the NDP's foreign affairs critic debate whether or not Canada 'turned a blind eye' to torture.
Canada AM: Roger Smith with developments
A correspondent shares insight into what will happen next in the growing controversy over the Afghan detainee transfer allegations in Ottawa.
Canada AM: Graeme Smith, Globe and Mail
A foreign correspondent based in Afghanistan, who has covered the detainee issue for years, says this is only the beginning.
CTV National News: Roger Smith on the admission
Gen. Walter Natynczyk dropped a bombshell on Parliament Hill when he changed his position on Afghan detainees and produced paperwork showing Canadian forces knew prisoners could be tortured.
CTV National News: Craig Oliver on the ministers
CTV's chief political correspondent on the admission from the chief of defence staff that turned up the heat on the Tories.
Power Play: MPs debate the detainee controversy
Liberal MP Bryon Wilfert says Gen. Walter Natynczyk's announcement suggests Conservative ministers can't be believed, but Tory MP Laurie Hawn says the new information further backs their claims.
Power Play: Analysts look at the detainee issue
Mark Sedra, an expert on Afghanistan and Paul Champ, a lawyer for Amnesty International, say Natynczyk's statement raises questions about why information took so long to get up the chain of command.
CTV News Channel: Tom Clark on the impact
The host of CTV's Power Play says Natynczyk's testimony is a game changer and compromises the entire defense of the federal government. He also says it is now more likely that a public inquiry will be launched.
CTV News Channel: Amir Attaran, law professor
A professor with the University of Ottawa gives his thoughts on Natynczyk's statement and says it is very apparent that the federal government has not been telling the truth and it is likely more truths on detainee torture will come to light.
Question period: Liberals blast Tories on detainees
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff calls for Defence Minister Peter MacKay's resignation and a full public inquiry into the handling of detainees.
Question period: NDP MPs question the Tories
NDP Leader Jack Layton says MacKay should take responsibility and resign after months of lying to the House of Commons.
Question period: Bloc MPs on the detainee divide
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe asks Harper if he will stand behind his defence minister or will he take responsibility and ask him to step down.
CTV News Channel: Prof. David Docherty
A professor of political science at Wilfrid Laurier University says this is not good news for the Conservatives by any stretch but is not enough to bring the government down -- yet.
CTV News Channel: MPs Jack Harris, Paul Dewar
The NDP's defence critic and foreign affairs critic are calling for a public inquiry into the detainee issue and say Natynczyk's testimony completely exonerates Richard Colvin and undermines the credibility of Defence Minister Peter Mackay. They say MacKay should apologize to Colvin and offer his resignation.
CTV News Channel: Liberal's on the detainee issue
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says it's is time for the federal government to accept a public inquiry because Canadian forces need to have a very clear standards for detainee transfers and it's a matter of the honour of Canada's military.
CTV News Channel: Gar Pardy, former ambassador
A former Canadian ambassador explains why he and other diplomats are upset with the government's treatment of the diplomatic whistle blower on the Afghan detainee transfer scandal.
CTV News Channel: Steven Staples
An Ottawa-based analyst for Rideau Institute discusses the likely outcome after MacKay, O'Connor appear before Commons committee on Wednesday.
CTV News: Roger Smith on the contentious debate
The Opposition has slammed the Conservatives for ignoring alleged detainee torture memos from the International Red Cross back in 2006.
CTV News Channel: Jane Taber, Globe and Mail
While the detainee torture scandal heats up, Jane Taber says the government will most likely continue to deny allegations and refuse to give in to a public inquiry until the House wraps up for Christmas.

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Minister of National Defence Peter MacKay rises to answer a question during question period on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Wednesday, Dec. 9, 2009. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Defence Minister Peter MacKay answers a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Ont., Thursday December 10, 2009. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick) Liberal leader Micheal Ignatieff answers a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Ont., Thursday December 10, 2009. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick) Defence Minister Peter MacKay appears before a parliamentary committee on Wednesday, Dec. 9, 2009. Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Walter Natynczyk speaks at a news conference at National Defence headquarters in Ottawa Wednesday, Dec. 9, 2009. (Fred Chartrand / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Defence Minister Peter MacKay answers a question during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Ont., Thursday December 10, 2009. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick)

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Date: Thu. Dec. 10 2009 10:53 PM ET

A brewing political controversy could turn into a parliamentary one after the Liberals introduced a motion Thursday to force the government into releasing secret documents in the Afghan detainee affair.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said the government has censored documents with "Soviet zeal," and should immediately release any records relating to an incident of torture which was documented by Canadian troops.

The motion passed in Parliament by a vote of 145-143, forcing the Tories to release the documents. However, if the Tories don't release the reports, Canada's courts might have to intervene on the case, which could centre on arguments of parliamentary privilege and national security.

The parliamentary maneuvering follows revelations by Gen. Walt Natynczyk, who said Canadian troops captured a man and handed him over to Afghan police, only to later see him being beaten.

The third Geneva Convention mandates that transferring prisoners who are then tortured is a war crime.

Though Natynczyk has called a military inquiry, MPs said that launching an internal investigation is not enough, because the military would be equal to both the accused and the jury.

"For over a year, the Conservatives had credible reports of torture from Canadian diplomats and soldiers in the field--and they did nothing," Ignatieff said.

"They must account for that year of willful blindness. Their refusal to get to the truth is costing us our credibility on human rights, and is a threat to the honour of Canada, which our troops so bravely uphold every day that they serve."

Earlier in the day, opposition MPs demanded the resignation of Defence Minister Peter MacKay and a public inquiry into the affair.

"It's time for this government to take the step that's required and that's to ask the minister to step down and start the inquiry, independently," said NDP Leader Jack Layton.

The demands in Ottawa came as the Conservative government continues to face heated questions over its insistence that the Canadian Forces never knowingly put Afghan detainees at the risk of torture.

Natynczyk revealed that in June 2006, Canadian troops captured a man and handed him over to Afghan police, only to find out that he was mistreated and beaten. The Canadians then took the man back into their custody.

Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe pointed to a 2006 report by a Canadian commander in Afghanistan that stated photos were taken of detainees before handing them over to Afghan authorities. Duceppe said this was "in order to have evidence of mistreatment because, I quote 'it has happened in the past.'"

Duceppe alleged that the government knew about the abuse for "quite some time."

However, Prime Minister Steven Harper said the report was evidence that the Canadian government took action to prevent the abuse, and that the issue was dealt with up to four years ago. He accused the opposition MPs of attacking Canadian soldiers.

"Canadian forces, when faced with a case of abuse, took immediate action to deal with that ... that should hardly be used as a reason to attack the forces, it should be used as a reason to praise them."

The day before the revelation, Natynczyk said that Canadian troops had only questioned the photographed man, not captured him. But after reviewing the file with his staff, the general called a news conference to release the correct information.

Natynczyk also said the military inquiry would determine why neither he, or his predecessor Rick Hillier, saw a platoon commander's report which detailed the prisoner's capture.

Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh said the government cannot claim that Natynczyk's announcement yesterday was the first time it learned about this specific incident of detainee abuse.

Further questions

Ottawa law professor Errol Menders said the incident report forms "incontrovertible proof" that Canada should have immediately ceased transfers to Afghan authorities, a decision which the government is ultimately responsible for.

"If these guys had no clear instructions, and it's clear they didn't, they were almost making it up on the fly which shows you the civilian command was putting them into an untenable position," Mendes said.

The revelation by Natynczyk led opposition members to attack the Conservative government and MacKay, who has said "there is not a single, proven allegation" of abuse prior to 2007.

When MacKay appeared before the special House of Commons committee on Wednesday, he said it was "an outrageous, false, inflammatory and insulting allegation" from a fellow MP.

He also said that "no one ever turned a blind eye. Let me be clear, the government of Canada has never been complicit in torture or any violation of international law by willfully allowing prisoners taken by the Canadian forces to be exposed to abuse."

Richard Colvin, the diplomat who testified last month that the Conservative government was indifferent to his warnings of torture, is preparing a letter for the House of Commons committee to respond to statements made by the government in recent weeks.

The Conservative government initially responded to Colvin's allegations by trying to discredit him, a tactic that prompted a backlash from other diplomats and from opposition members. MacKay first said there were "incredible holes" in Colvin's allegations, though the defence minister has recently said his attacks on the ex-diplomat's allegations were not personal.

With files from The Canadian Press


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John Kirn
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Oh my god people, do we not have better things to worry about than this? And once again the opposition demands yet another person resigns. Anytime something bad happens then everyone screams resignation. People do make mistakes and the best answer is not to resign, fix the darn problem. This particular problem does not deserve the attention it is getting


Andrew in Alberta
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Who really cares about the Taliban. Anyone in Canada who is that concerned about them can very easily go over to Afghanistan to make sure they're well cared for, and that includes Iggy and Jack.


John E
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The posters ask "who cares" Answer: All fair minded, proud Canadians, who truely support their troop and democratic way of life care.


Time for Liberal accountability
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Before any public inquiry I want to finish the Adscam and investigate why no Liberal politicians has ever been charged here. It was Chretiens baby yet NOBODY IN THE LIBERAL PARTY HAS EVER BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE for theft of our money WHY?Then we can tackle this issue afterwards


p d w
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I wonder how many of the comments are from people who actually have skin in the game.My guess is that the majority of the 'activists' have absolutely no clue as to what goes on outside their local starbucks.


Danny Dinosaur
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Only a true Neo-Con could consider a potential violation of the Geneva Convention as a political game and not worth spending any time with. Then they claim to support the troops. Unfortunately the practise of asking the troops or even allowing troops to engage in illegal or immoral activity is NOT supporting the troops. It flies in the face of everything that our country and its troops have ever fought for. WHY DO CANDIANS NOT DEMAND MORE FROM OUR POLITICIANS? Why don't the troops speak out? I am sure there are many who are good and responsible and are really tired of being used by these Neo-Cons.


WallyJ
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I am a Canadian who has been gone from your great country for over 40yrs. I still follow Canadian politic's, sports..the most confusing is your politician Ignatieff, I mean very confusing. Why dosn't he just leave Harper and MacKay alone and let them look after things as they have been doing a great job...


D J In Manitobaan
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Oh give me a break! Who cares? Anything to take the attention away from what is going on in CANADA. We in Canada are doing great. WHOOOOOOOOOO cares about what goes on over there. This is our country. We should worry about what goes on here!!!!!!!!!


gregoryd
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Yes we could have another public inquiry at a cost of millions of dollars and as usual it will do nothing. In fact most Canadians do not care about this issue. It has been dealt with so lets move on. There are more important issues to deal with. Stop playing politics and do something for crying out loud. I have to wonder if the opposition really thinks this is going to help them. Canadians are sick of politics they just want our government to work for the better of the people instead of self interest. Is this too much to ask. Well when you look at our politicians it may well be.


John Global
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I have worked in such cultures where an "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" is still the "law". Eventually everybody goes blind. This is not only true in war but applies to thousands of street children in former communist countries who are tortured daily with minimal protection. In fact, the majority of street children have parents who are often the source of the torture and neglect. That is why the children are on the streets. What is my point? Bravo for our Canadian military who appear to have acted swiftly in their attempt to stem a deeply entrenched mindset that goes back thousands of years. I strongly support our troops in Afghanistan. They should not be made to fight on two fronts - in the front line battle and at home.


annie
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Thank goodness we don't have the opposition in power.With so many relivent issues at stake, the opposition harps on one that will neither further or diminish our cause.get with Canada guys, and stop trying to play politics.


rosey
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iggy leave while the going is good take Rae and layton with you.


Jim from Ottawa
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This is definitely a non issue for "real" Canadians. I could care less what happens to the enemy or unco-operative suspects in Afghanistan. I really could care less. The lieberals and NDP in canuckistan are only using this as a political issue to try and get votes or bash the opposition. That is all it means to them regardless of what they tell you. Canadian citizens or Canadians of convenience who think this topic deserves any air time at all are in my view anti-canadian and a security risk. They would take refuge with the enemy and are terrorist sympathizers through and through. Or they bunk with Alice in Wonderland. Pathetic.


Ray Yates
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The liberals and ndp should be tried for treason for trying to have our militery and ambassadors and ministers put in front of the world as war criminals, the job has been done and the liberals were in power when this was happening anyhow, so lets shut it down, Mackey will stay as he is worth more than the whole liberal party


keith
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liberals must think canadians are stupid if torture was going on, it did not just start in Jan. 2006 it would have beeen going on when the liberals were in power 2002 to early Jan. 2006. liberal policies.


Wilma Dickfit
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thats right


Russ
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What are we supposed to do with the detainees set up a camp and keep them there until we know what to do with them. Hmmm Guantanamo anyone? If the bleeding hearts are so worried about them why don't they offer to let these upstanding members of afghan society stay with them. I am sure they will have no problem with your wives/daughters having free speech, wearing revealing clothing and being educated.


SK Doc
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Yet more spin from the opposition over a little storm in a teacup...


kenl77
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Iggy is a hypocrite. Back at Harvard he wrote that torture was OK. He watched a lot of 24 on TV.Is there no one with moral integrity to be PM of Canada?


Rat-tat-tat
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Since my first post was not politically correct.Here goes:

Maybe they were tortured? Maybe they were not?
Don't know,don't want to know, don't care what the government says about. I JUST DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE TALIBAN.
I had a real dislike for them since 9 .


Fog of Life
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I think we should hand over all the Libs and the posters on this site who are wasting our time with this issue, when we all know they really don't care about the issue, over to the Afghan forces. They are trying anything to sling dirt at this government.At least if we did that the could report back to us on the torture situation.....


PB_Toronto
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Are you kidding me?!!!! Stop the world so I can get off. We certainly enjoy eating our own.


dgc911
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To bad the Liberals and NDP couldn't spent as much time and effort tryng to look after our troops and Canadians at home. Our troops are in a war theatre, what rules do the Taliban play by to protect Canadian prisoners. Move on from this issue and get back to our economy or is Harper doing such a good job there's nothing to quibble about.


nathan
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I can understand that this isnt an issue that affects the day to day lives of most Canadians, and yes, maybe Layton and Iggy are being naive in thinking that this is the type of issue to bring down the conservatives but its still terrible. Canadians and Americans totally freak when ONE of our soldiers gets mistreated. We need to hold ourselves to higher standards. We like to think of ourselves as 'the good guys' well, we need to act like it or what business do we have calling them "terrorists"?

The bottom line is, shoot them in the head, blow them up, what have you, once they are in your custody you MUST follow the Geneva conventions or your no better then them.


Wayne Owen Sound
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Why are the media not asking the opposition what they would do with the detainees? Should we build jails? And what courts would be used to judge these detainees? And what legal system would we use to defend them? And what will Canada do with the detainees when we leave the war area? Tough questions and no easy answers!


Not a drone
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So let me get this straight. We capture said enemy and give them to an organization that is known to torture inmates? Did the Americans not get an international backlash when they had black sites and gitmo bay? Why is it okay for Canada to do this? This is a war crime, not something that is taken lightly internationally. We preach to China and other nations about human rights, well why don't we lead by example? I wonder how many posters would have these opinions if they were on international television?


Raymond
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Now showing in Ottawa: 'Sleeping with the Enemy' starring Micheal Ignatieff and Jack Layton.


The Other Lowell in BC
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This issue is not about Taliban or rights of terrorists as so many of the commenter's are apt to point out. It means Canada living up to its principles on human rights. Because the enemy tortures and cuts off heads etc, does not mean that Canada should condone such actions. By turning over detainees to the Afghan authorities who don't subscribe to the same principles that Canadians have, we compromised our values. This what the soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting for. human dignity, human rights, democracy. By condoning such acts we are nothing but hypocrites.


charlie
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Come on CTV - the headline refers to prisoners (plural) being tortured - the story refers to ONE prisoner, who was "beaten" (whatever that means - this is torture?) and who was retrieved by the CF. A little more consistency and a little less hype would be appreciated - we get enough hype from Iggy and Jack to sink the Queen Mary.


straus
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Does anyone really care about this? Your average Canadian knows that the definition of war does not include cuddling the enemy. Do officers want to talk about it? no. Do voters and taxpayers want to hear about it? no. The only people who care about this issue are the people paid to sell newspapers and get votes.


Dan
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Who cares, we are at war with these people who don't care about us! Let's get on with real business.


Westcoast Rick
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Why are we talking about something that happened in 2006. It's war man - stuff happens and I will guarantee there will be more of it.

If somebody recommends another inquiry I am going to throw up.


Stephen
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We need to bring back the tar N'feather treatment for corrupt public servants.


jim
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Nobody cares about whether Afghans (whom we are supposedly there to help)were tortured, beaten or otherwise abused.

However we really ought to care about whether
or not MacKay, Hillier, Harper and others have been telling lies to to Canadians.





willowway1
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If McKay must resign it should be because he was not smart enough to recognize that our troops should have been brought home the moment he took office.Many of us have been saying for years that, in spite of what Hillier was telling us, there is no military solution to the mess in Afghanistan. No increase in the number of troops there will change that. So lets get out of there and let those folks stew in their own juices.Just bring our troops home so that they can protect our homeland from sea to sea to sea. That would include eradicating any pockets of terrorism that we are currently abiding.


Mika
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DownEast and Martin in NB. I care. I care a lot. That Canada could be implicated in a War Crime is to me, devastating.


Clayton King
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I think the liberal premiers should resign over the hst, and ignoring the 82% that do not want it.


Dave Zroback
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If the opposition wants to adopt some of these "detainees" that have been KILLING our sons and daughters for 8 years, GO AHEAD. Canadians have done nothing wrong. DO WE INTERVENE WHEN THE U.S. SENTENCES SOMEONE TO DEATH? GROW UP.


Arturolexo
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Absolutely no basis for either a Minister's resignation or a judicial inquiry. Let the Commons committee continue through the break, as they are vowing to do. It's their job to come up with facts to support Richard Colvin's allegation that every single detainee turned over to the Afghanis by Canadian military was tortured, that the Canadian government knew this, and did nothing to stop it. So far, the committee has not found enough evidence to support this claim.


JimK
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I really don't care about a few taliban that were beat up by their own justice systems. These are the same people throwing acid on girls, just because they go to school.Lets' move on to business of the country.


J
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I am sorry. Is till don't see the issue here. If they took the detainee back... then doesn't that mean they didn't know he was going to be abused (not tortured, he was just beaten, a slight difference but a difference) and stopped it when they realized what happened? Doesn't that mean that they prevented the abuse and then put things into place (such as taking pictures before handing them over, so they knew their condition before being handed over) and therefore the problem was fixed... in 2006. IN 2006. Soo... this is a none issue that is being twisted and turned every which way.


Vancouver Folks
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How aweful that the oppostion and Taliban Jack would continue their desperate bid for power by attacking the Canadian government over such an issue - while we have troops in harms way! What kind of signal does this send our troops? Time for some fines or lawsuits - the NDP and the Liberals have crossed the line. A pox on the Taliban and anyone that would try to aide them (that's you Taliban Jack! & New York Iggy!).


Mike
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Everyone should resign.


Ed
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The MND and the CD do not have all the current information at their finger tips at all times. These allegations are just that - allegations, but Mr. Ignatiuf would grasp at anything just to gain credibility while forgetting that it was a Liberal government that got Canada into this mess. Meanwhile the notoriously cruel Taliban are smacking their lips. Let's have an inquiry by the UN or other world body to see if the Taliban are torturing women, children and NATO soldiers with their massacers and suicide bombers.


Kim Hoar
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It only seems to be a "non-issue" to Conservative supporters. They say "clear thinkers" know it is a non-issue. (This is a way to ridicule others by saying that any opposing viewpoint only comes from Unclear or Foggy thinking)Not buying what the conservatives are selling.


Remittance
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I am going to contact the makers of "Idiots Guide to ..." Maybe they could make a version for the Geneva Convention that should be handed out to the posters that say this is a "non issue." The Conservatives proclaim this is a war, well prisoners of war are to be treated in accordance of said treaty.


Nick
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This whole issue is being overblown by the left wing media alongside the opposition.

We're crucifying our own Canadian Forces by having this talked about any more than it should be... The Canadian Military has a job...and part of that job includes ridding Afghanistan ( KILLING) of the Taliban regime. There are more pressing issues to worry about yet the politicians and media are for a way to discredit each other anyway they can. The best the opposition can come up with is this? Over how prisoners are treated? Who cares. Afghanistan isn't a daycare, it's a war zone. Get over it.


Ryan
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Shirley said:"If these are terroists, would they really care about the welfare of our soldiers or even their civilians? No, they are criminals and not really worthy of any extra kindness. They would not be civil to us, their mission is to destroy and cause discord."Should we do as the Taliban do? Or should we be better then the Taliban?The most disturbing argument brought up against the investigation of this horrible situation is that some people believe we -should- treat people this way.Maybe some people need morality spelled simply and clearly out for them: Torturing people is wrong. The "bad guys" are the guys that torture people, not us. We're the "good guys", we try to prevent cruel and inhumane injustices from happening in the world. Remember..? Do you remember now..?


Doug
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I find it amazing that the dispicable 3,Libs,NDP and Bloc can take an unimportant- non issue and try and make somrething of it.We are at war.We did not torture anyone.These Barbarians kill children,blow up Mosks and Churches ,blind and mutalate little girlsand kill Canadians yet these dirty 3 little political opportunists try and make a mountain out of a mole hill.For shame.


Paul B
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Peter MacKay is doing an excellant job.The House of Commons needs to worry about Canadians here at home, improve law to keep our own criminals off the streets, not how they deal with justice over there.


Jared Benson
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The governement was warned by their own diplomat that detainees were being tortured once being transfered. They continued to transfer so they are guilty. As simple. I don't care about the rights of terrorists (and neither does Iggypop or Layton) - this is about the government sacrificing the ideals of this nation to their own agenda. We don't torture and we don't aid in torturing. It's a law we agreed to and it is an ideal we hold true to as a people.Someone screwed up so someone must pay the price. And the buck stops at MacKay when it comes to DND. He's the boss. He knew what happened to detainees and made no orders to his troops to discontinue the practice. His choice and his responsibility. And if it was Harper then same same. Someone made an executive decision somewhere and it will be found out.


JustanAirman
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So ..... I'm just a simple Airman within the CF.a) We capture bad guys and hand them over to "the host Nation Police"b) We find out that some of these bad guys are getting roughed up.c) We (The CF) stop handing over bad guys.Seems pretty clear cut to me. But hey, let the Bloc, the NDP, and the Liberals want to go down and interview the Taliban by all means. They'll show you the same respect by cutting your heads off on TV and the internet just for being you.


Dale Woloshin
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For those who think this is no big deal, or that 'nobody really cares', I'd remind them that this is now a documented act of a War Crime. The Geneva Convention is clear, and General Natynczyk proved we've crossed the line.


Dennis Willows
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I am heartened to say the least by the number of writers who are as sick of our governments protecting the rights of Terrorists while those same terrorists are killing our men and women in uniform. They are terrorists, for crying out loud.They kill as many or more of their own people as they do ours. They have no respect for anyone or anything. They have warped the true meaning of any kind of religion & hide amongst everyday people because they are cowards.Stop wasting our time even talking about these terrorists. We have far more important things to debate in this country.


Bill Cowen
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The opposition MP's especially their leaders in demanding the resignation of P Mackay are nothing more than CANADIAN TRAITORS! Do you think for one minute that if a Canadian soldier or person was captured by the Taliban or Al Quida that they would not be tortured and beheaded. Happened before. Shame, Shame on you, oppositon parties you defame our Canadian soldiers. I hope all Canadians see that this is nothing more than politcally motivated. I am so ashamed of you and will never vote for you!


Paul in the West
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If we truly believe in human rights; what the government needs to do is call a Public Inquiry. Let's Canada back to what it once was; a caring, compassionate and truly humanitarian Country.


Tom
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Did the Liberal government know there was detainee torturing when they were in power? Was there anything done to rectify the issue? If the general only knew the torturing issue two days ago, can we expect the defense minister know it in advance? Can we expect the torturing of detainee the main function of the general in command in the battle field? Please be real with the issues. I guess the defense minister can only report what he is reported from the field. He couldn't say there were torturing if the issue wasn't brought to his attention. It would be irresponsible in his part should he bring up something in the parliament without substantiable proof,


Chad
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I would like to demand that the opposition parties step down for wasting taxpayer's time and money defending terrorists and trying to prosecute our troops. These terrorists are killing, raping, and touturing the Afghan people and will not stop there. What if your family was killed, raped, and had acid poured on them? Would you feel bad if the murder was toutured and demand that he be treated good and his rights be protected? I know some people will say yes to this question, but what do you really think? And spare me the civilized society crap. These people want to wipe anyone that is not their religiion to wipe off the earth. If the touture saved one life (maybe your family member), I'm all for it. I can guarantee it saved lives. The opposition are all hypocrits.


Ryan P.
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Newflash----this "torture" was happening while most of the current-day shouting Liberals were in government. Can we trade a MacKay resignation for an Iggy departure back to Haaaarrvad? This story is a waste of the Greenhouses gases it takes to write, blog, send to TV about.


Glenn in Winnipeg
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Would someone explain to those of us who don't deal with the Geneva Conventions on a daily basis, why do they apply to this conflict in Afghanistan? I can understand their applicability in Iraq.I realize that when there is a war between two countries, even if both countries have not signed the Conventions, the country that has signed is obligated by the Conventions.In this Afghanistan instance, Al Queda, the Taliban are not countries, rather organized terrorists who do not wear uniforms of an army or a country. What part of the Geneva Conventions and Protocols suggest that they apply to this fight?Or are some of you just saying they apply in all instances because Canada is a signator? Because that is not true. The document is the guide. The document is the agreement. Actions not covered by the agreement do not apply.


laurie
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enough of liberal diversion. sick to death of it.


anthony
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The armed forces does what they (government) are told, not the other way around. I respect the people in the armed forces, I don't respect this government. Keep up the pressure on mckay & harper.


NS
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Easy to tell the Liberal thumbs up/ down party is cheating with IP addresses again...Canadians are not stupid...


PDW
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If the government (specifically Mr. McKay) knew what was going on then he should step down, otherwise this is just a Political witch hunt. I hope that the government and media follow the story of how Greenpeace got onto the roof of Parliament with this same measure of pursuit.


Inkmont
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I'd like to have a dollar for every time the NDP demands a public inquiry. I could live off the proceeds! I don't believe for one minute that the Canadian goverment regardless of which party is in power would condone torture and I resent the opposition trying to get points by insinuating same.


charlie
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Iggy, you recently changed your communications director (or whatever you call him) - you may want to repeat that action. You are not getting your money's worth from the current situation.


bill from winnipeg
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Hey Jim.Just because we said we thought they were covering it up, doesn't extrapolate into us careing about it.Of course they were covering it up...........Welcome to the real world.......You think you precious party doesn't cover things up? ? ? ? ? ? ? Been going on forever.............Jim............


Brodie Houlette
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To correct much of the misinformation. Afghanistan ratified the four treaties that make up the Geneva Convention in 1956 and is therefore a party to it. Additionally, civilians are also considered protected persons, including those who engage in 'partisan activities' against enemy forces.If Canada knowingly transferred persons in their custody to Afghan authorities knowing directly or indirectly they would be at risk of torture, then the holding state is in violation of the Convention and committed a 'Crime of War'.


Jim
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I am more concerned that the government and the Chief of Defense were blindsided by the late breaking information. The memo that surfaced should have been part of the official record posted in the war diaries as it happened.I am not as confident that the mighty Liberal and NDP Leaders would fall on a sword in a similar situation as they expect out of the Minister of National Defense.After all the NDP only support the troups when convenient to their political needs and the Liberals nearly ruined the military by cut backs and only seem to need the troups in their attempts to regain the status of government.


Jim, NS
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Wow, you conservatives sure make Canada feel all 'warm and fuzzy'. Funny, a non-issue, non-story. A poll released today said 83% of Canadians believe Harper/MacKay are covering up torture...Even 68%!!!! of conversative supporters in the poll said the gov't was covering up torture.Let's face it folks, for all you on the side saying 'who cares', or 'non-issue' it's you who are in a tiny minority, and quite frankly should be ashamed.And for you folks saying that they're taliban shooting at our military...it's estimated that 8 of out 10 were 'farmers', 'kids', or 'women' - who in turn were raped. Good stuff guys, I'd be proud to believe in what you apparently do!Oh and the person who said conservative support was still going up, it's now 3 polls in a row they've declined...but good try.


Dan from Northern Ont
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It really is a non issue. The international community is going to think twice about bothering Canada over Afghanistan, when they've contributed peanuts to the region. Also where is the outcry, lynch mobbing over corruption in Afghanistan? How many countries including the US and Egyypt, have actively engaged in torture? How many of them have suffered any consequence? And we're supposed to believe that giving up prisoners to local authorities in good faith is going to be a black eye?Inquiry = waste of money. and in the end accomplishes nothing.


Craig in Burnaby BC
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Ujjal is making sure that his Taliban buddies are treated with love and kindness after they kill canadian soldiers... just pathethic


Gill
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From being piece keepers to being suspected of war crimes! What has my country become? That's what we get for following the U.S. Sad day isn't it.


mike campbell
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the lib and bloc and the ndp should hang there heads in same and on national tv begg every member of the caf to forgive them i wore the uniform with great pride until i was injured years ago now these brave souls are being used as a tool to make someone look bad 4 investigations have said our troops did not KNOWING turn over pow to be beaten that is enough if these chidern want to do more , wait for our kids to be home safe


james from winnipeg
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good point mary, so what about it ctv, ask the liberals, were there any prisoners tortured from 2002-2006 when they were in power?


A Concerned Canadian
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It appears many Conservatives just can't seem to understand what all the fuss is about. Apparently as long as someone is not a white European the Cons and their suuporters see no problem with torture and worse. People should also consider that just because someone is detained, it does not prove them guilty of anything. They may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or maybe they just ran away when they saw soldiers. It is so sad to see how many Canadians, although still a minority, are all too happy to adopt and support facist values.


Richard in Ontario
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The Liebrals and NDP can't seem to stop digging. All this rhetoric is costing us a fortune in tax dollars to give them their fifteen minutes of fame. To have Dosanjh questioning anyone about anyting is lucicrous at best. The Liebrals have to put him front and center since he just did get back into parliament by the skin of his teeth and they need to try to show that he is really doing something. As far as Bob Rae, and some of the NDPers.. what a waste of time. This has to be the biggest blown up, non news story of the year.


charlie
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Iggy and Jack - while you are doing your best to smear the Goernment and the Forces, perhaps now would be a good time to launch your new "Take a Terrorist to Lunch" program. Hopefully, your respective parties will foot the bill, rather than the taxpayers.


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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The Liberals and NDP appear to be defending the taliban, you know the un uniformed guys that hide behind women and children and are killing our soldier!! Wake up you people! This is an non-issue, yes to the real people the caring loving people who support our brave soldiers this is non issue Shame on the Liberals and NDP for all this cheap politics. Geneva convention? these taliban are not wearing uniforms they are TERRORISTS!! As a senior this makes me sick.Bring on an election and see what most Canadians think about this.Conservative majorityis what we think!!


Jeremy
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To solve all this the Canadian troops should be ordered to stop taking any prisoners. Dead terrorists tell no lies so the opposition parties can spin it for their own political gain. The opposition parties might as well start contributing to the taliban coffers. Start backing our troops and stop tying their hands.


Helen Madill
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Have I got the facts straight?These are Taliban terrorists, murderers who killed our soldiers, got caught and turned over to their own authorities in their own country, then rescued by Canadian soldiers because they "may have" been beaten?Maybe we should have sent over a 747 to bring them all to Canada to apply for refugee status.Ask our murdered soldiers families what they think.


Ian Ottawa
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MND & CDS. Keep up trhe good work. These idiots that never put a uniform on yet whine if they are in harms way will pay sooner or later. I'm reminded of cowards after a war is won and a child asked. What did you do during the war daddy? The answer for these guys is, I did nothing for anyone but myself.


Dale, Alberta
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This is insane, we are wooried about the taliban being beat up by the afghans, the taliban have killed thousands of afghan women and children. They behead women for being able to read. The believe a dog is more valuable than a girl. They won't let girls go to school or beat and kill them if they can. But we are worried over our troops catching them and then making sure they are treated okay. Have we gone insane, let the afghans do what they want with these guys. Most of the taliban are not even afghan, they are from Pakistan, saudi, yemi even some from the west. Imagine if they were here in this country, how would you feel if your mom, sister, wife, daughter was being beaten just going to the mall and her arm was just slightly exposed. They would grab her and start beating her and there would be nothing you could do or they would kill you, and if they would find out that she could actually read, she would be beheaded. And your worried about this scum tring to retake Afghanistan. This is truly disgusting. Trying and make some type of problem because our soldiers turned over the taliban to afghans. YES they should be turned over and tried for crimes against the afghan people. But I guess Layton would rather give them a hot meal and shower.I ask anyone reading this, what would you do if they were in this country and your family members were being beaten and killed? We have some of the best troops in the world, support them and pray for them.


Martin for Canada
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This issue is just sickening me! What do you think happens if the Taliban capture a woman or a female child wanting an education? Why do you think suicide bombers keep blowing themselves up? Why do you think roadside bombs are so popular and why we have the majority of our Canadian soldiers dying who have died in that country are killed by these cowards not willing to let their Country enjoy the freedoms we take for granted? How do you think the Sadam Hussein regime treated their prisoners? How do you think the current regime in Irac treats their prisoners? We can't be there holding every hand, and we certainly need to consider how many Canadian lives have been spared because the current Afganistan government has retrieved information from their captives.No it may not be totally acceptable practice, but these people know what it takes to get information to save others!The Liberals need to volunteer to go there themselves and make sure there is NO Taliban being treated unfairly, see if it works!Pleaseeeeeee!


Brent
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Who really cares if they turned them over for certain punishment, they probably deserve it. It's common practice for Taliban men to rape and torture so it seems fitting they suffer the same fate.

These guys are evil and have no conscious so you're not going to appeal to their sensitive side by being nice to them and affording them the mercy that they didn't provide to their countless victims.



Ben
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I'm utterly amazed with the amount of comments here that seem to excuse torture or endorse the idea that torture is something that just 'happens' "in war". This isn't a country I recognize, anymore.


MARG MM
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I can't wait to see what the opposition comes up with next. We've had "did he or did he not eat the wafer", something about "door knobs", "the olympic torch is going through more Conservative ridings", the olympic sweaters have the Conservative logo", and much more thrown at the Conservatives hoping that something will stick.This Afghan issue goes back to Liberal times, so if they are intent on a public enquiry, let's hope that ALL the information comes out, including when the Liberals were in power. It seems that the Liberals are grasping at anything that will help them get back in power, and are putting Taliban terrorists ahead of Canadian Soldiers, which will NOT bode well with Canadians.


Silent Majority
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When this all comes to pass and we go to the polls it will then be our chance to speak .Canadians are decent people .We have millions of veterans and their faimlies in this country.some 500 thousand members of the legion.If any of us really believed that our government and troops would commit to torture knowingly the cry would be much louder than that of the lefties like Red Bob Rae and Ujjal Dosonjh and of course the cockrooster Taliban Jack.What amazes me is the Liberal party allowing Rae and Ujjal to remove their center right base for short political gain.Why aren't some of the Liberal backbenchers speaking out?All you bunch are doing is throwing votes to Layton on one side and Harper on the other. The quest for power can be stupid.


Peter Rapsey
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This incompetence was just waiting to break into the open. The tone of this government shows they don't really know much. What is painful to me is that they are hurting Canada's reputation in many areas.


Paul D.
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A public inquiry is a must because you never know what the real truth lies ahead.


Maggie
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Maybe the Poll should have asked the question-Do we really need to spend 14 Million for an inquiry ? The Liberals would then be able to complain about how high the deficit is getting and there would be more non news to report.


reece
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I enjoy how the conservatives always hide behind the soldiers and deflect blame to them claiming they never realized that the soldiers were so evil. Well, you either support the soldiers actions or you don't. You can't have it both ways. If they did wrong then you do as you are doing now and blame them for it, but you seemingly never stand up for them and ascert that it is war time and they should be strong handed. You just point your hypocriical fingers. Harper -please back our soldiers. They are only following YOUR orders.


Allan Eizinas
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War is war and stupid is stupid. War is trying to wipe out your enemy and taking minimal casualties in return.Stupid is putting your soldiers into a position where they capture potential enemy, turn them over to the Afghans who beat the bejeebers out of these “suspects” and then let these now really angry prisoners loose to either join the Taliban or to lure the Canadian troops into I.E.D’s.Win their hearts and minds indeed.Our Canadian soldiers are fighting a war. Our Canadian politicians are playing at stupid!


Doug @ BC
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Well said "Peter 1951" The whining left weill keep this alive as long as they can.They care not about their country,but about their chances in the next election.Liberals,just like Kyoto,did not care one bit when they were in office,but now want to claim the moral high gtound in opposition.It is simply immoral to set higher standards for others than you are willing to live up to yourself. The loonie left is running scared because they have no real policies of their own.AND,warts and all,this government is still head and shoulders above anything we have had since the days of Pearson and Deifenbaker.The greatest fear of the Liberals and the NDP,is not that the Conservatives will make mistakes,but that they will continue to correct those mistakes.And,that some time next year,the Senate will no longer be under the thumb of the Liberal party. I've never been keen on a Harper majority.But now,my greatest fear is another left hand turn and a return of the Liberal socialists in bed with their NDP brothers and sisters. To bad.But the Liberals self destructed.NOw all they have left is fear mongering and some very specious,unproven allegations about something that may have gone wrong in a war zone. The saddest part of this is that there are so many Canadians willing to accept that out military people would knowingly go along with the torture the Karzai government is being accussed of. Shame on you for not trusting your CF personel.Something Americans do far better than Canadians. PRO PATRIA


The Old Lady
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I think our Government should sent The head of the Liberal,NDP, Bloc and Green Party for a one month tour of Duty in Afghanistan. They could leave Monday morning. They should be supplied with full battle field equipment and sent to the Front lines until the first of Feb. Then we could listen to what they have to say about our troops in Afghanistan.I am so sick and tired of listening to the BS that they spout in Parliement. If they were Children they would be sent to bed without desert.


Pat
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For the first time in my life, I'm starting to feel a little dirty as a Canadian, with this Government representing my Country.


Dean in YYZ
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Yes none issue,but our usless opps parties having nothing else to try and defame Harper's government.It;s not working and is actually giving Harper stronger support in the polls. I also love how the 1st 10 or 15 comments have so many thumbs up for anti Harper gov.Then it drops off after that and there's almost no neg comments about Harper.


LS
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Well Said Roto3! Albertaboy and others..disgraced soldiers? No way, the only disgrace here is the political infantile posturing. Our soliders are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. I have said it before about misconception..PLEASE read Roto3's comments before you shoot off your mouth. To those who serve..well done...to those who complain..sign up or shut up.


Griffon1
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Everyone so involved in this issue pause for a moment, think, and ask themselves, what possible constructive outcome can there be to this ongoing nonsense relative to the damage being done? The only people being served are the MSM in keeping a story bubbling, the opposition parties to take advantage of the MSM momentum, and even some of them seem to be rolling their eyes to say 'what the hell are we doing with this' and of course, that tiny minority of vocal individuals that constantly find reasons to hate themselves as Canadians and love to attack the Conservative government. What a nasty, negative, destructive group of people.

Why are we not celebrating the fact that after seven years in Afghanistan and recent investigation and exposure, we can find no instances of our troops 'abusing' prisoners and only find one instance in which a detainee our troops handled may subsequently have received some 'abuse' (whatever the definition of that might be in Afghanistan let alone Canada) and was promptly rescued from the situation by the same Canadian troops. This record of restraint and decency in a war environment has probably not been equalled, by anyone, ever. Bloody marvelous I say!


Tom Morbitte
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Canadians don't want Afghan prisoners tortured, but this is a non-issue because we are more concerned (certainly than our politicians seem to be) over the welfare of our own young men and women who are giving up their lives to drag that backward country out of the 12th century. I wish politicians, the opposition especially, would show as much concern for our young brave Canadians as they presently are doing for Afghans. Let's get our troops out of there as soon as possible.


Larry NL
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The media keeps beating this dead horse and the opposition parties try to make the Canadian public think that the horse is alive. Well, I'm sorry but the horse really is dead.What was happening to POWs in 2005? Were the liberals taking care that they were not abused for killing our allied soldiers? The Liberals started our involvement in this war and the Conservatives had to clean up many of their messes once again.When was the Geneva Convention directive last updated to keep up with the ever changing method of war.Whatever it takes to keep our men and women safe in Afghanistan should be done and if that means obtaining information by way of torture after the "Olive Branch" has been thrown back in our face then so be it.


MAC
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I look at the rhetoric of today;s comments ! Mahnnn where is everyone's common sense ? To Iggy - Doshanjh, Layton, Dewar etc, and the nay sayers here today - walk in a soldiers boots - from a soldiers point of view: "if you wont stand behind me in what I am doing... feel free to stand in front of me"the West made a committment to go in and help the people... the problem is too many of the Afghan leaders dont want it as they would have to change 1000's of years of culture - they think nothing of acid in a girls face because she wants to study, a beating because she spoke to a non relative male, they use their fists instead of dialogue and will think nothing of slitting your throat because they dont like you.If the screaming would settle down - then the truth will come out - Canada HAS upheld its international obligations -and our standards are higher then the rest of the world because we DID do something when those in command knew .. hindsight is 20-20 !The Liberals forget - they were in power when alot of this so called abuse started.... and did NOTHING.


m shmigelsky
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Of course this is an issue and it's an issue regardless of who is in power! It's ridiculous to say that 'Taliban Jack or Iggnog this' What about Harpo "I didn't know that China and India were important to our economy?"This is an issue that Canadians should care about and goes beyond Party politics. If we are knowingly( the Government/ not our soldiers) giving 'bad guys to other bad guys' then we are actually doing more than hurting our International reputation, we are putting our Soldiers at even greater risk!As for the Government politicians attacking the Public Service that's another stupid move. We depend on our Public service to actually do the right thing regardless of who the Political masters are.


KB In Southern Ontario
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If Canadians are not interested, why then, are so many Canadians commenting and voting on the comments section of the story? This is a political cover up that will come back and bite the Conservatives in the back side.


my take on this
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Someone important is going to eventually lose their job over this and hopefully it will be Canada's biggest sneak and not the man who I could at least tolerate as the Prime Minister of Canada.


mike campbell
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there is a crime being commited here but not what some of you think there is a law and has to do with giveing aid to the enemy . this debate should take place BUT this should have been held behind closed doors they are putting are troops in greater danger AND THAT IS A CRIME


Jim
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POWs are treated fantastic by the CF, never think other wise. Leadership of the Military is were it needs to be, maybe minus a few officers. If you ever been there you would know Afghanistan is corrupt. They are getting better, Canada is leading the help. Peter Mackay is getting attacted as is the CDS, these two were not in charge at the time, the stunned out their like to belittle them. They went out of the way to look into this, CF inquiry system is far more indepth then the political system. They have a handle on it. In over eight years one case is brought up, the CF took care of it right away, and the people are freaking at everyone now for something then. They did it to their own. You can't change that culture trust me you can't. Canada is there to re-establish their independence, dont bring western views to the table, it will not work, read their history. 2006 was the biggest fighting CF had been in since 1952, reports will get lost, SOPs have been changed time to move on.


Kris PIttman
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KS in Barrie: We are not protecting terrorists from a few bumps on the head over protecting our own troops. If your sorry intellect doesn't afford you the ability to actually understand that we are protecting our soldiers from abuse and torture should they be captured, then you have no business posting anything on any forum or message board. Your ignorance is terrifying.We as Canadians are too used to telling people to do as we say, not as we do... (on everything from the environment to war) This will not fly in this instance, we tell folks we don't hand the enemy over to groups who will torture them, and then tell the world to not had our citizens over to groups who will torture them, all the while we are doing the opposite of what we want others to do with respect to the treatment of our soldiers and citizens.The only way to ensure that our soldiers are protected from abuses and torture if captured is to show the world that we mean what we say and we will hold anyone accountable for the mistreatment of "our" detainees regardless of what nation they represent. If this means a public inquiry so be it, I'd rather that than see our soldiers and politicians on trail in the Hague for war crimes. Don't you people who are opposed to the notion of a inquiry realize this is a two way street, two wrongs don't make a right, but if we torture and hand folks over to be tortured, than you better believe that other nations are not going to think twice about torturing our soldiers and citizens.It's about time we actually took the moral high road, and left Harper on the side of it.


john from Saskatoon
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This just in, All the Opposition parties to go over to Afghanistan and fight on the side of the Taliban , Iggy, Bobbie, Taliban Jack , Loose Lizzie, Usanjj(Taliban Collections Minister Canada), Joe Volpe, Gilles Duceppe will pick up arms and fight agaiinst those nasty Canadian soliders who are torturing their poor Taliban Friends , The above also supported 9/11


Anne M
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Here we go again, the media setting themselves up as the "World Court", and judging others who are fighting the actual war.We need to throw the media out completely, and let the military fight the war. I am sure we will then, win handily.


Mark
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Do us all a favor and don't take any Taliban prisoners, just shoot them. It's a war after all. If they were shot on the battlefield no one here would care, but we capture them, turn them over to their OWN COUNTRYMEN, who abuse them, and it's our problem??? Seriously we have nothing more important to worry about?


The TRUTH please!
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Shawnsaid The Canadians did the right thing and took the man back immediately. The opposition is trying to score cheap political points 1. Is this prisoner still in Canadian custody?2. Were there more such instances of abuse?3. Was not the Geneva Convention violated?4. Did MacKay not lie to Parliament Dec. 2, 2009?5. Why the Cover-Up?6. Who will be blamed for leak?


Mary
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Let's recap shall we: 2006 abuse claims, Tories implement changes in 15 months(lightning speed when dealing with a third world nation). So no abuse took place between 2002 and 2006? Are the Liberals covering up four years of claims or did the diplomats just not see the abuse until the Conservatives got into power? Shame on CTV for not checking to see if the abuse claims go beyond 2006. The way I see it, the scandal is that no prisoner exchange deal was ever implemented under four years of Liberal rule thus leaving the Conservatives in a bad situation. Mary


Ivan
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The only ones bringing Canadian solders into this discussion are the Conservatives and their supporters. Everyone else is asking what the leadership (military and political) knew. Stop trying to deflect from the real issues.


Jamie D
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Re: 3 Roto's and counting3 Roto's - I suppose U are one of those people who smoke weed in Amsterdam because it's legal there eh? UR statement plainly states that when in Rome do as the romans do. If U want to be a barbarian, please do so away from our children as we do not want U to be an example of what being a decent and civilized westerner is like. Myself, I could care less about u personally, and it's funny. Those values U are thumbing UR nose at, as the same values that prohibits me from keeping you as a slave on my property. Perhaps U could observe that common law/Civility as well. See we lock up people in our country that don't observe common laws and values. Maybe that is just what U need to calm down that 'cowboy' attitude of yours. A little stint in reality.


rotunda50
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When is the lunacy going to end!

That torture was 'highly probable' at the hands of the Afghan authorities is increasingly indisputable, given the information released over the past few weeks and especially in the past few days.

By all accounts, credible countries, creditable organizations and our own credible diplomat (Colvin, subsequently promoted by this same government), all of whom were involved 'on the ground' in Afghanistan, were all reporting this 'common knowledge' in unambiguous language.

It defies logic to accept that our Government was blissfully unaware of this 'common knowledge' and, as such, they have never claimed that.

What they have claimed, via weasel words currently being exploited by MacKay, is there has been 'no credible evidence' and 'no absolute proof' of torture.

According to a poll released today the majority of Canadians believe this 'credible evidence' has always been on display :- Colvin, the Red Cross etc. Its just that its been dismissed as hearsay by our Government today, and presumably in 2006/7.

As for 'absolute proof' .... we don't even hold our supreme court to that standard! Now or in 2006/7.

Our Government has to stop trying to hide whatever it is they are tying to hide. If they didn't do anything wrong then turn over uncensored documents to the 'political' inquiry and if this is not possible under current laws ..... draft retroactive laws and secrecy covenants to allow it.

Unfortunately, maturity and kindergarten don't mix, even worse, this lunacy, by highly paid officials, costs you and I, each and every hour of each and every day.


Jamie D
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Awesome. So it appears that the posters on here, are still beating the 'Support our Troops' drum. Just like all the car yellow ribbon magnets. What a bunch of armchair no-minds. I pay a hefty tax, and so already support the troops. Putting the magnet on ur car just makes U look like 'U go girl'. So I guess it's time to tell those posters that the issue is not that our soldiers acted correctly in the documented situation. It is the notion that all these people who we pay large tax fueled salaries are not paying attention to the details that can bring harm and retribution to our country. If our country goes to war over there and do it right, we cannot be faulted afterwards for anything that goes wrong. If we go there and do the crap of being complicit in torture, we will see planes fly into buildings in downtown toronto. Revenge knows no political boundaries or terms. I seem to remember the Airborne being disbanded for something similar to this. It wasn't the fact that the soldiers tortured, it was that the leadership was soooo out of touch that allowed a heavily armed force to go about the world doing whatever they wanted to do...


Proud Canadian
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Albertaboy: So you cal me a NAZI and equate the government of this country to HITLER? Let me put you straight on some things: We have an elected government, accountable through Parliament and the electoral process to the citizenry. There is no "secret police", no pograms, no "final solution" here. I have served 32 years in the Canadian Forces, two deployments to Afghanistan and 7 to other parts of the world, and can tell you that you have absolutely no clue whatsoever. The earlier posters are correct - the Laws of Armed Conflict (I personally prefer to call them the laws of war) don't apply in this case. Oh, by the way since you called me a NAZI, let me also mention that I an Jewish and have seen the camps in central Europe. My parents immegrated from post war Poland and survived the camps. You should be ashamed of yourself for daring to draw that comparison-You, sir, are a fool


Portes
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Martin in NBAs a Veteran I can tell you that the Geneva Convention does not apply in this instance. Both parties have to have signed the agreement to have it valid. I somehow do not think that the Taliban and Al Queda have signed such an agreement. The agrement applies when the two sides are both in uniform and swear an alligence to a country. The Taliban in considered a terrorist organisation as is Al Queda and therefore not covered under the agreement . I am not saying that they should not be given certain protection, but it seems to me that when our forces learned of the troubles they took the person back into their custody. I also know that having served in the Armed Forces that a lot of information that should reach the top nevr does for one reason or another. I have a friend who served over there in 2003 and he said the same things were going on,but they were told that ir was part of the Afghan culture and not to get involved. Many of my frineds spent time in the Hanoi Hilton and so therefore I am against toture of any kind, but the number of people I have spoken to on the street have no interest in this torture thing at the moment adn they all say that if the Liberals were in power the same would have happened. You can't be in 2 places at the same time


Bob Fenton
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The Chief of Defence DID NOT change his story, which implied he lied. He DID CORRECT the information based on new information that was made available to him.Mr. MacKay has NO REASON to resign.The opposition are just trying to make political points on a non-issue.


BC Lady
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Why the big fuss? This is not a video game that they are playing that can be played over and over this is the real thing folks. What did the libreals do about it nothing. Using a war for politcal purposed where we are losing Canadian troops is sick in my mind. War is war ! These men would 't think twice about killing one of our troops. If you don't really know what is happening in Afganistan and you see one of our brave men in uniform who has been there. Walk up ask him what it was really like in Afganistan. The story he can tell is not pretty. He will have to live with this the rest of his life, I sat and spoke to a young man a few weeks ago. He told me his side of what's happening. I said to him please don't leave out the bad, but please also tell me about the good you have seen.You know something he said thank you to me , because I had taken the time to talk to him.More people should do this .


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Ian in Mississauga: At this point, Ian, what really matters are the facts and the truth...not what a poll allegedly says about Canadians' thoughts and/or level of "interest." This story is still going nowhere, fast. Furthermore, be mindful of confusing "interest," ultimately, with compassionate "caring" for the plight of detainees in a military conflict that has resulted in the deaths of some special fellow Canadian citizens. I would argue that the average Canuck doesn't really give a serious damn. This is largely a political sporting event, orchestrated by the parliamentary Opposition. Most Canadians (other than card-carrying Liberals and NDP supporters), I believe, see it that way.


charlie
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The recent poll showing that "most" Canadians believe detainees were tortured misses one important issue. Are most Canadians concerned - at least to the point that the Government should fall and Iggy and Jack take over?


Con Servative
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If the enemy tortures, then me and my golf buddies say we should be allowed to torture too. End of discussion. That's it. Me and my golf buddies know everything.


Martin
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Julie must be kidding - "she" (I doubt this is his real name) is ok with torture. Good luck convincing the world that torture is ok (what if it was you?). You also must be joking when you say the cost of an inquiry about criminal wrongdoing could be used for social purposes - then you must support stopping the war today and putting that money towards social programs - right?Retired Military sounds a lot like Martin in NB. Why are there so many thumbs up for conservative comments - I think conservatives must be encouraged to vote alot or can vote multiple times - it sure doesn't reflect public opinion.


Dave S
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No this is a non issue Martin in Ont
In times of war the military is doing exactly what they should do and that is turn their people over to their Government to deal with, our Military is not a bunch of babysitters. And besides that your geneva logic is just as outdated as the agreement itself


bill from winnipeg
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Hey Ian from Mississauga, what did the poll say when they were asked if the cared whether they were being tortured or not, or didn't that question get asked?By the way, have you ever been in a war zone yourself?Other than the debating club?


Doug On
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One important fact stands out. General Natynczyk stated yesterday that the Canadian military "intervened to rescue the injured man" . Since the issue is handing detainees over to be tortured, isn't it funny how the Toronto Star, CBC, CTV, the Globe and Mail, and even cpac, keep forgetting this important fact. Just an oversight, I guess..


gerald
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Won't it be great for our Country when this inquiry is FINALLY over, and the news media in the world screams " Canadian Government and Canadian troops found complicit in Afghan torture"
That sort of headline could be damaging to our international image, never mind the 2010 Winter Olympics.


Frank Buchan
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I'm a conservative supporter, I suspect there is some truth to Afghan torture allegations, but I am also conscious of the fact the former Liberal government stuck our troops there, underfunded and almost unarmed, in one of the worst war zones in the world. From the sounds of it, our troops did exactly what they should have done, when they could have done it, and did their best to uphold the humane treatment of prisoners who haven't a clue what the word even means. Right now we have opposition members who are trying to blame our government for the actions of foreign nationals, and blaming our troops for not being prescient. It is a sickening display of politicking at its worst, and the reason most Canadians find it so is not because of their political stripe, but because we recognize how untenable the position of our armed forces was in Afghanistan early on, and we are realistic enough to remember this is a war against a group that has no respect for life at all, not even their own. With people like that, the anger toward them is neither surprising, nor is it likely to go away. Any politician that thinks this is a good issue to flog is being foolish.


Keith Olson
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To suggest that government ministers are responsible for torture is the stupidist comment I have ever heard. The soldiers are doing the fighting, not the politicians. The opposition and some of their ill informed followers are traitors to our country. The opposition never did support our military, and would would like our men and women in uniform to fail. SHAMEFUL!


gp
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It is time for a public inquiry. Our nation's reputation and conduct is on the line, especially as it pertains to the Geneva Convention. Time to get a hold of our values and priorities. Time for the truth to be told. Time for an inquiry. Time to end the mudslinging.


Rick Ottawa
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While many Canadians don't care enough about foreign policy to read about it every day, I think most of us at least expect that our leaders and representatives are meeting international obligations and standards. Canada used to be viewed internationally as a middle power that stood up for justice, now we are increasingly being viewed as a nation that stands for nothing, whether its foreign policy, or environment. Now it looks like we were also handing over prisoners that we were pretty sure would be tortured, against international treaties. What does this say about us and our government? What kind of people do that? I thought we were better than that.


3 Roto's and counting
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Once and for all, will you people read and learn something instead of mindlessly spouting the same nonsense. The Laws of Armed Conflict (what you keep miscalling the Geneva Conventions) do NOT apply to terrorists taken prisoner in Afghanistan. These "people" are criminals - nothing more - not Prisoners of War and MUST be turned over to the Afghan authorities. THIS IS THE LAW. Canadian forces in Afghanistan are not permitted to hold civlian or criminal prisoners. Once again, the LOAC do NOT apply in any way shape or means. Enough is enough. If you can't get your facts straight, go learn something.


Josh in Mossejaw, Sask
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Global warming, H1N1, Afgan Crimminal prisoners are over blown.


Albertaboy111
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I don't understand how anyone can call this a non issue. If it is true, and nearly all evidence is pointing to the fact that it is, it is a disgrace to everyone who has ever worn a uniform in service to Canada. All those brave men who fought the evils of nazism would now be incredibly saddened to see our government behaving in a way that represents much of what the nazis stood for. Sad day for Canada when our govenrment can accuratly be compared to the government of Hitler. If this is not properly investigated and those responsible dealt with, not only will it be a blemish on this country, but taking tactics directly from Hitler's playbook.


Adel Hay
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The Liberals will be calling all friends in high and low places to pull more stunts, but I am getting tired of our country being bashed everyday. Everybody knows including the liberals Canada is there advances human rights not violating them. The Liberals desparation makes them think bashing our country will give them a chance to run it.   Liberals for goverment - never again.


jim C
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Maybe I am too much of a CONspirist for my own good, BUT here goes.The thing that strikes me is how a smart guy like Peter McKay seems to actually be duped by his "leader". McKay, who I actually like as a thoughtful and progressive leader, tried his hardest these days, to pull off the "HARPER" duck and weaver....his problem is that while Harper is very adept at this dance (he relies on his Ministers and hatchet men for assistance), the PM seems to have left his ONLY serious challenger for leader of the Party, to wither and die a slow "death of 1000 cuts.It was not so long ago, when Mr. Harper seemed to be on the ropes, that Peter McKay was being whispered into the leaders chair. Now Mr. EGO Harper could NEVER ALLOW that to happen again. First, Mr. McKay seemed to suffer a "demotion" and now, he is being left to fend for himself.Where is Mr. Baird or Mr. Kenney, running to assist the defence Minister (NO WHERE). Seems Mr. Harper might even be "forced" to consider cutting Mr. McKay from the caucus all together.....OH DEAR!Don't be fooled people! Mr McKay is a good man and if the CON's won't support him, WE SHOULD!Think about it, and review the history.......is there a conspiracy???????


Edmonton Vic
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I find it quite ironic that the Liberals, NDP &the Bloc are defending the rights of the enemy but not our Canadian armed forces! Here is the story you slow learners out there; yes they had this prisoner they handed him over they seen him being beaten and then they retrieved him! Also remember one other thing here folks we are here to stop killing of innocent young woman & children and to try and protect human rights, is that not what the Liberals ,NDP & the Bloc and i guess we want too?


canadian
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I have to wonder if beyond the infighting there will be war crime charges laid against our troops who were just following politcal orders?


charlie
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How much longer can the Opposition try to divert the attention of Canadians from the good things happening in the economy by continuing to thump this drum? Talk about desperate!


Prof. Pye Chartt
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I'm still sitting on the edge of my seat, waiting for this "bombshell" of political hot air to explode! (I'm also waiting for hell to freeze over.) At some point, the facts and the ultimate truth of this "issue" are going to overtake the partisan, media-fueled drama that's desperately trying to make a big scandal out of a non-story.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Every time that some one calls this a non issue, it gets bigger. Maybe it's time to admit that our minister of defence at the time, never opened the book on international law. It's looking a lot like Elizabeth May will have no problem winning her riding next election.


Ian in Mississauga
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To Down East and Martin in NB:Despite recent testimony from Rick Hillier, the former chief of defence staff, and other top generals before a parliamentary committee, the majority of Canadians believe that some prisoners who were handed to Afghan authorities by the military were tortured, according to a new EKOS poll.Among this group, 83 per cent believe the government was aware there was a strong possibility that prisoners would be tortured.This opinion is consistent across all gender, age groups and regions. The belief that torture occurred is highest among NDP (71 per cent), Green Party (71 per cent), and Bloc (77 per cent) supporters as well as people in B.C. and Quebec.Only Conservative supporters are slightly less likely to believe that the government was aware that prisoners might be tortured. Even so, nearly 68 per cent of Conservative supporters think the government was aware of that possibility.People with university level education are also more likely to believe that torture occurred compared with those with high school or less education. Those born in Canada are more likely to believe that it occurred than those born outside the country.In terms of the government's level of transparency and disclosure regarding the alleged torture of prisoners, more Canadians are dissatisfied than satisfied=====================================Maybe that will tell you that a lot more CANADIANS are interested in this than YOU think. When I went to work this morning (and we have 300 employees) everyone was talking about this as they have been for two weeks now so don't say CANADIANS aren't paying attention and that we don't care because we do,,,,we really do.


TS
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The opposition parties and the media are siding with the Taliban for political gain. What happened to supporting our troops during this tough deployment? Why undermine their good for the sake of sensationalism (selling papers and advertising) and political opportunism? Will their ambitions stop at nothing?


Rob2010
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I don't know anyone who really cares about this issue, or agrees with the extent to which the media and the opposition parties in Ottawa are trying to make this more into what it really is.This is about enemy troops (ie the bad guys that are trying to kill OUR soldiers) being turned over to the country that our troops are operating in. I, for one, honestly don't care if they were beaten, tortured, or whatever. I really don't.


Adam in Ottawa
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I guess this shows the most fundamental difference between the Liberal and Conservative parties; the Liberals govern with a complete disregard for taxpayers money and the Conservatives govern with a complete disregard for human beings. If this is Harper's idea of a more fair and open "transparant" government then I'd rather have Adscam!


lavern
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Wake up people. This is in a foreign country and they have their own laws and judicial system in place and what gives us the right to push ours on them. Who cares what happens to detainees that are intent on killing innocent children ,women and civilians. They havent signed any Geneva convention and chose to live and die under their own rules and impose them on others. Time to get on with other pressing things. The Liberals probably started this mess any way if truth of matter was known and again really who cares. .


Greg in Cambridge
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Enough already with the criticism! They're terrorists with guns who are trying to kill our guys. What the hell do you expect them to do with them once they catch them? Take them out for dinner and a movie?


charlie
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"Turning a blind eye"? The only turning of a blind eye is Jack and Iggy turning a bling eye to the lack of interest most Canadians have in this desperation ploy on their part. Bring down the government and let the voters decide - ooops, really wouldn't want to do that would they - it could put some blowhards, especially the fellow who wrote about enhanced interrogation methods being ok when he was in the USA, out of a job.


Shawn
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The Canadians did the right thing and took the man back immediately. The opposition is trying to score cheap political points


Julie
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Why are news sites focusing on the past & skimming over the issues have been resolved - creating sensationalism in much the same way as tabloids -on this story. Those who are screaming for an inquiry seem to have no concept of the cost. War is not always rational or pretty or by the rules- especially with the Taliban - who wear no uniforms, offer young men $$$ to fight or become suicide bombers & offer them no training on the Geneva convention, provide 95% of the world's heroin supply, treat females no better than cattle, and have no qualms about slaughtering innocent men,women children in their quest for dominace. I have no problem with them or their supporters being tortured if it saves one innocent person.What do these people expect to result from this waste of time, money & energy that could be spent on issues or the poor right here in Canada , instead of lawyers, judges, courtroom reporters, translators, & all other assiciated costs associated with an inquiry that will show what we already know, but that can't be proven because of being a "he said - she said" type of scenario, which makes the entire testimony just a weak ploy to smear anyone associated with it.Seems like those who are the loudest critics & most adamant about holding an inquiry, are those who pay little or no tax, & who probably have ahard time balancing a simple chequebook.Maybe they should volunteer to look after detainees' rights - in Afghanistan, rather than squaking like scavengers if they are so concerned with protecting Taliban prisoners.


Let ME be clear
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Let me be clear, Dishonourable member of parliament Mackay, preceding a statement with "Let me be clear" does not make you even remotely appear to come across as Obama-esque, if anything it confirms in our minds that you are indeed a pretender and/or spreading falsehoods (just as Petey did when he conned the PC members). Same goes for Harper as well (don't think we haven't noticed the very lame attempts at trying to capitalize on Obama's recent popularity). In the case of the CONservatives, every statement I've heard beginning with "Let me be clear" is immediately followed by a lie.


simon
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QUOTE. ""Natynczyk also said he had ordered a board of inquiry investigation to determine why neither he, nor his predecessor, Rick Hillier, saw a platoon commander's report which detailed the prisoner's capture. Laurie Hawn, parliamentary secretary to Minister of Defence Peter MacKay, said the new information put forward by Natynczyk simply reflected what was known to the government at the time."" UNQUOTE I hope we are not trying ti sidestep a LANDMINE. ARTICLE 12 of the Third Geneva Convention states that Prisoners of War are the Responsibility of the Capturing State and Not the persons who capture them.


Pat
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sphsaid 31 16 If the Conservatives are not worried...why don't they just have a public inquiry to confirm it...or perhaps that is exactly why they don't want an inquiry. You want Canadians to spend anywhere from 14 to 20 MILLIONS of dollars on a situation that might of happen over three years ago and we can't change now!I think we could spend that money in improving our health care!


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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Why are we still listening to this crap?These issue's were all addressed in 2006 and 2007 when it was discovered that the previous detainee transfer arrangement made by the previous liberal government was inadequate.The only one's who have an interest in this are the liberal's,who wish to slurry the government, the N.D.P.&The Bloc who don't want Canadian troop's in Afghanistan and the media most of whom are liberal leaning and seem to have little else to write about.Ask the average Canadian on the street and you will get a helluva different view on this "issue".Most Canadian's are more concerned with their job's and where the economy is going than about a bunch of murderous thug's who not only kill our soldier's but mutilate and scar their own people with acid,destroying school's and any scemblance of modern,civil society.These clown's don't seem to care about the greater good in what our purpose is there as they continue to undermine our effort's.They are feeding the Taliban's propoganda effort's and demoralizing our troop's.They really don't have anything to say about the accomplishment's we have made over there only to have them overshadowed by controversy.I wish they would start using their head's for something other than photo-op's and start looking for way's to enable Canada to rise out of this recession with some fiscal strength and better positioned for the future.It would also be responsible of the media to move on to something else other than this constant barrage of past new's that's more hindsight than current new's.There isn't much journalism in that.Let's move on!


SpinMeNot
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I want to know what the Liberals knew about the rendition of Maher Arar to Syria for torture. Thanks to Harper Arar received 10 million dollars for the torture he suffered as a result of RCMP and CSIS actions under the Liberal government.


montrealer
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I CAN't believe the conservatives are trying to diffuse another "scandal" in their government, by saying well the military acknowledge the mistake and that's the end of it. I find it funny how everytime something goes agaisnt the governemnt someone else takes the fall. Julie Couilliard, a few ministers say sorry but the PM is aware of nothing throughout all the issues. So either our PM is incompetant by not knowing what is going on, or he is incompetant because he knows and does almost nothing to solve the problem.


retired military
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Taliban Jack, Iggy and Gilles are fussing over a topic that is not a concern for the majority of Canadians. They are just mudding the waters for their own political gains. They whine over the deficit being so high but yet they want to have an inquiry over this issue. Inquiries cost money therefore adding to the deficit. Enough is enough, if they are so worried about the detainees let them open their own prison and they can watch over them at their expense.


KS in Barrie
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Perhaps I am naive but I don;t understand why it is more important to protect a prisoner of war from a few pumps on the head who most likely killed or intended to kill a few brave soldiers when in the meantime the Canadian Opposition sees no harm to slander the good name of our soldiers and the good name of our Country, namely Canada. Politics is a strange game.


Shaoqi
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If the detainees really were tortured, then the ministry of defense cannot possibly defend their actions. If the knew of the torture, then they are guilty by inaction, if they did not know of it, then they are guilty of incompetence.


Martin
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Downeast and Martin in NB: I hope they are not paying you well. Clear thinking Canadians should not be supporting a government who are complicit with torture and then lie about it. Really - Taliban Jack and Iggnog - are you in third grade? The way this mean-spirited Bush supporting (still) government operates clearly does not facilitate getting on with real business that most Canadians really care about.


David in Dartmouth
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So-o-o-o lets see.... Our troops capture a suspected Taliban...following the conclusion of a fire fight....where this person, along with others, were shooting live rounds, at our soldiers with the very clear intent of killing them...? Then... our troops turn said person over to the indiginous authorities...... who are subsequently discovered by our troops to have been abusing said individual...then our troops intervene to protect this suspect...and now our political opposition, along with a phalanx of smug cloaked, academic, do-gooders want the resignation of some of our senior officials?Memo to Taliban Jack and Iggy.....GET REAL!


emily galbraith
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I'm so tired of this story - why don't we just give ourselves a united shot in the foot, say "I'm sorry" to the world in unison and get it over with. IIt's a trivial matter that few Canadians identify with) Reporters love this story. The public hates it.


trunorth
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Did our Canadian troops torture anyone? What were our troops to do with the terrorists they captured? And let us not forget that these are cowardly terrorists who will not fight honourably in an identifiable uniform, but hide in mosques or behind women and children. Tell someone who cares what the Afghans do with those jackels, Jack!


Some Dude
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This government reminds me of Billy Joel's 'Goodnight Saigon'. "And we would all go down together. We said we'd all go down together. Yes we would all go down together"


Al
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All this BS is doing is affecting the morale of our soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan and worse the soldiers who may have to go again. All of this for petty politics and political opportunism. To put our soldiers in harms way and then criticize what they have done is shameful.


Catwoman 37
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I want a public inquiry, something stinks about this whole thing.


TS
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The LPCCTV are still hard at it trying to spin this into an issue. It's too bad the opposition parties and the media are so set on tarnishing the military and the government. Political opportunism at its worst.


Shirley - SK
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If these are terroists, would they really care about the welfare of our soldiers or even their civilians? No, they are criminals and not really worthy of any extra kindness. They would not be civil to us, their mission is to destroy and cause discord. The Liberals allowed it to happen but no one made a issue of it back then.


Metro
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Headline wrong. Should read: "Tories Lies, Stonewall, Duck, Dodge, and Defame Ove Detainee Issue." And yes, it IS an issue. Not to every right-thinking Canadian. But to most of them. And certainly to all left-thinking ones and the majority of those down the centre.So let's have that public inquiry. After all, as the Conservatives are so fond of saying of wiretaps, security certificates, and Gitmo: "The innocent have nothing to fear."Right?


Lorne
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Agree with Downeast: this is a non-issue.If this is an issue, then bring all soldiers home immediately. Why should they take the wrath of those bleeding hearts?War is war - you do what you have to in order to stay alive. We have already lost enough soldiers who are fighting a war that will never end.The President of Afghanistan has already said it will take at least 20 years to bring some kind of stability. Does that tell you something?Why should more of our troops lives be put at risk?


Peter 1951
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I love this scrap going on in Parliament over prisoners being tortured in Afghanistan. We have the Liberal and the NDP fighting like hell to protect the rights of the Taliban detainee’s, and we have Prime Minister Harper and the Conservatives fighting like hell to protect the rights of the Canadian soldiers. And Iggy and Jack are wondering why the Conservatives are still moving ahead in the polls and they keep dropping back.


scott
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C = cover-up.......this will balloon like the tiger woods story..they'll be one incident , then more Afghans will come forward saying they were will Canadian troops and handed over to be tortured......Our country cannot, cannot be tied to this, if we are even once, we should have an inquiry...my grandfather fought at Normandy 17yrs old, so we could get rid of this kind of stuff....now its infecting us.....i wonder if they consider the tazer a torture weapon?


Rene
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Where there's smoke there's fire. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. Does this mean that our country is being run by idiots? Or maybe it's just the armed forces that are being run this way. It's time that Harper and his minions to come clean as they have obviously told General Natynczyk to do, and admit their culpability in a decision that only reflects their concern for themselves.


Slewhigh Yendick
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I wonder if Obama had this information on this abuse of prisoners,, just like our leaders?

Mac
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Good grief - how can it be a lie when the information and comments were done in good faith - - If I make a conclusion based on x, y information and tomorrow info z changes that - I make the correction and carrying on and take steps to make sure it doesnt happen again - I didNOT lie !- Mr Dewar and Mr Dosanjh (& the 2 BQ MPs) in particular are a nasty piece of work to huff and puff and make wild despictable accusations - why are they not being held accountable. Did Min Mackay etc make an error yes but not through negligence or malice... get over it !The real crime here is our House of Commons has turned into a rat/viper infested nut house and if my kids behaved a 10th of the way some of the MP's are - they would have been grounded - maybe even their mouths washed out with soap - oops is that torture ! ( i survived !)Bottom line is our Military IS upholding Canadian standards and law and were problems are ... they fix ! No hidden agenda anywhere !Opposition needs to find a real story ....


Martin in ON
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People who call this a 'non-issue' have no understanding of the Geneva Conventions, to which Canada is a signatory. Understand that a suspicion of complicity in the torture of an enemy combatant can bring on charges, if no adequate inquiry has been carried out in the complicit nation. Even a violation of the spirit of said law is enough, even if the strict definition of 'enemy combatant' is not satisfied. Natynczyk has done us proud by nipping this in the bud. Judging from his demeanour yesterday, he is as determined to get to the root of the communications gap. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard than our adversaries, else become like them. Do you really want that?


Martin in NB
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Who really cares besides Taliban Jack and Iggnog, lets get on with some real business...


DownEast
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The chattering class and media elite refuse to accept that this is a non issue with the vast majority of clear thinking Canadians.


sph
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0 0

If the Conservatives are not worried...why don't they just have a public inquiry to confirm it...or perhaps that is exactly why they don't want an inquiry.

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