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For Ottawa, tough choices loom over Afghanistan

Canadian troops wait to be picked up in a field as a Canadian CH-47D Chinook touches down in western Zhari District on Saturday, March 7, 2009. (CP / Murray Brewster) Canadian troops wait to be picked up in a field as a Canadian CH-47D Chinook touches down in western Zhari District on Saturday, March 7, 2009. (CP / Murray Brewster)
Canadian troops wait to be picked up in a field as a Canadian CH-47D Chinook touches down in western Zhari District on Saturday, March 7, 2009. (CP / Murray Brewster)

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Lets us not abandon the 15 million females we have given hope to. The brave school girls who head off each day armed with only a pencil need to know we are with them.

Adele Hay in Trenton

For Ottawa, tough choices loom over Afghanistan

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For Ottawa, tough choices loom over Afghanistan

Date: Saturday Oct. 3, 2009 9:51 PM ET

As the U.S. rethinks its strategy on Afghanistan, pressure is mounting on Canada to make a clear decision regarding the future of its hard-fought mission there.

Last week, U.S. President Barack Obama met with his top advisers on the war to decide how to proceed next. That meeting came days after Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the chief U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, issued a report saying the war will be lost unless 30,000 to 40,000 additional troops are sent there.

"We are going to have to do things dramatically differently, even uncomfortably differently," McChrystal said during a speech in London, England, a day after his meeting with Obama. "We must redefine our fight."

The U.S. review of the war is causing political fallout across its NATO countries, particularly in Canada, which has the fifth-largest number of soldiers deployed there.

Politicians on Parliament Hill have been saying they would bring Canadian forces home by the end of 2011, upholding a House of Commons motion from last year. But in recent weeks, Conservative leaders have suggested that Canada's Afghanistan mission will continue, in some form, into 2012 and beyond.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay said on Tuesday that Ottawa is considering "a number of options" on how to assist Afghans after 2011, including keeping Canada's provincial reconstruction base in Kandahar.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper made a similar statement during a press conference with Obama in Washington on Sept. 16.

"Canada is not leaving Afghanistan," Harper said flatly. Instead the mission will move from a predominantly military one to "a civilian humanitarian development mission," he said.

Ottawa can expect a range of requests from NATO about extending its mission, retired Maj. Gen. Lewis MacKenzie told CTV.ca. And not all of them will be for development purposes. On top of Canada's 300-member provincial reconstruction team, the alliance may ask for the 150 infantry soldiers who protect them to stay, he said, as well as a helicopter battalion.

As many as 800 Canadian military personnel could continue serving there past 2011, MacKenzie estimates.

Surveying the damage

Yet there's growing proof that Canadian soldiers, like the rest of the international force there, aren't just fighting the Taliban or al Qaeda. They're tackling problems that appear to be cascading with historic force.

The latest report to Parliament on Afghanistan, which was presented last month and covers April through June of 2009, paints a bleak picture. Security conditions "continued to deteriorate." The number of insurgent attacks during May and June was greater than at any time since the 2001 invasion toppled the Taliban.

The report said Kandahar province, where most of Canada's soldiers are stationed, experienced an "exceptionally high" number of security "incidents." And the number of "incidents" with improvised explosive devices jumped by 108 per cent compared to the same period a year earlier.

Underpinning the violence is the country's spectacular narcotics industry, which has flourished since the war began. Hilmand province alone produces more illicit drugs than any other country in the world, according to the United Nations.

Some experts fear Afghanistan is becoming a "narcostate" ruled by its opium industry. Narcotics exports are believed to fund the Taliban, at home and in neighbouring Pakistan. Drug money may also be feeding corruption in the Karzai government, which helped derail the country's recent presidential election.

"How do you fight a war like that with conventional military forces? You can't," said Sunil Ram, an international defence and security analyst. Ram doesn't believe development efforts have been working either, citing NATO's own assessment.

"It's fine to show happy Kabul, but the rest of the country is in chaos," Ram said. An "out of control" rise in drug use among Afghans, he said, is evidence that international forces have failed to rebuild the country.

Searching for purpose

Over the summer, the U.S. more than tripled the number of troops it has stationed in southern Afghan provinces such as Kandahar.

That has allowed Canadian forces to scale back the territory they cover by about 60 per cent. Now there's an opportunity to more effectively root out the Taliban, keep them from returning and engage in reconstruction, albeit over a smaller area.

But questions linger about the mission's overall purpose. Former foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy told CTV.ca that the goal of helping to protect civilians has "been mixed up with 'we've got to defeat the Taliban."

Axworthy said he went to a fundraiser on Sept. 26 for a Canadian woman whose son died in Afghanistan last year. She still wanted to help, and was collecting money to send over a dog trained to de-mine roads.

"You could just tell the tragedy was so deep in her, but she still felt she could do something constructive," Axworthy said. "I think there are a lot of Canadians who would like to think that they could do that, but I'm not sure what we're putting out there right now offers that opportunity."

Axworthy said he would like to see Parliament take a closer look at what Canada is doing in Afghanistan.

"Not in a partisan way, not in a finger-pointing way. But just say, 'we've stuck it out this far, we've got a commitment to pull our troops out. But Afghanistan's not going away. There are things that we may be able to contribute. Let's find out what they are.'"

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Ley
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We done our part in this mess, it dont belong to canada, this is a problem of the US and they wants us to fight alongside with them. what we should do is bring our troops home and foces on our artic sovereignty and defend it at all cost. Canda has ignored the north for some time. Now is the time to defend our ture north and so how Strong were are.


Cate in Ottawa
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To Craig W.
Our reputation as Peacekeepers was ruined when one of our not so intelligent Politicians sent our Airborne Regiment into Somalia.
With the advent of 9/11 the whole world order was shaken to it's core.
I don't even know how to describe these less than human monsters who take it upon themselves to "teach the West a Lesson". How dare they! They have always had the option to say no to progress, but stay the hell in your own country and have your own politicians punish you for your extremism.
With this new world order came fear, and definitely not playing by the rules. We've had to write and re-write the new rules as we go along with this horrible predicament the world finds itself in. Peacekeeping in the beginning of this mission just wouldn't work! The whole world needs to iradicate these animals at all costs-then come the return of the Peacekeepers when stablility and safety for the people has been established.
Having said this our Airborne Regiment was disbanded based on embarassed emotion instead of logic with a huge apology for the grave mistake made "by our government"
Peacekeeping will only work when sanity has been restored.


Running Guy
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Most of our casualties are from IED's. Changing our presence by wearing the UN Blue Helmet as "peacekeeper's" does not give soldiers immunity from those devices.


Mike
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Craig WIn response to your comments about the Canadian soldiers being “peacekeepers” and economically supporting the US war on terrorism, allow me to retort. This is a common misconception on the part of many Canadian citizens. A great number of soldiers would be somewhat insulted if you were to continue to call them peacekeepers or ask them to return to that role. The "traditional" role of Canada as a nation of peacekeepers put troops in harms way with less than acceptable response capabilities. Or, armed responses by Canadian soldiers got them chastised and derided as "Un-Canadian". At least in Afghanistan, the Canadian soldier is armed, trained and fully capable of responding to threats; this combined with a robust set of ROE's allows the Canadians to protect our countries and the international communities’ interests against terrorism. The terrorist threat today is significantly different than the previous type of conflict. As international terrorism has the ability to hide in plain sight, and takes advantage of the internet and other mediums to get their information (or misinformation) across, to take a somewhat dovelike approach to the problem of international terrorism would invariably allow attacks to happen again on North American soil, and if the Canadian military was hamstrung in response capabilities by resorting to "peacekeeping" roles, when the first attack happens, the doves would be looking for the Canadian soldiers to protect them and their interests, (see backsides) and they (the military) would be unable to respond. So please do not ask us further to allow terrorism to take root here on Canadian soil by taking a fence sitting role. I have served this country in many theatres around the world, including Afghanistan, and I am not a “Peacekeeper”, I am a Canadian soldier. Thanks for your continued support.


Marie
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Does government really think that terrorists will kill less Canadian soldiers if they are there on a "civilian humanitarian development mission"?? That's ridiculous. We need to bring our troops home; once and for all......


Chris in the 'Toon
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Ruined our Peace Keeper reputation?!? Ask the Dutch who single handedly liberated their country in WWII, it wasn't Peace Keepers. It was the ferocious Canadian War Fighter. As for Afghanistan defeating the British and the Russians, well this time the Afghans are on our side, and we all know who took Vimy when NO BODY else could. The key to this victory is commitment, every debate about leaving causes lack of trust in the local populous. Would you risk your family's lives to stand against the Taliban if you thought your protector was taking off in a few months? I wouldn't. When they feel our commitment we will get theirs. Canada has a responsibility to the world, just because Europeans pick the easy jobs to say they are doing their part doesn't mean we have to, that is our reputation, not peace keeping.

Cate in Ottawa
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I've been in Afghanistan several times, and to say the land itself is hostile is a great understatement. There are hundreds of caves and natural areas to hide out, which in itself create numerous dangers for anyone, much less all of the worlds' soldiers.
Our troops are now probably the best trained in the world and as they are finally getting the equipment so desperately needed, now is not the time to be pulling out. We cannot let the number of soldiers killed be in vain.
As has been stated by one of the commenters, the children and women are at last getting hope and a chance for their futures without the inhumane oppression that has plagued them for so long. It is not the time to pull the proverbial rug out from beneath them, when so much progress has been made.
The world can never allow the Taliban to once again take over Afghanistan. We have a moral responsibility to stay the course and insure that there is a positive future, in Afghanistan for future generations. To ever again see the sadness and fear in the eyes of the children is heart-wrenching and devastating with no sign of hope. That is criminal, in my opinion, these terrorists should be wiped off the face of the earth at all costs. Only then will the other fundamentalists understand that there is no room in the word for their ilk. I'm fully aware of the daunting challenge in achieving these goals by the rest of the world, but now is not the time to desert these souls.


Tiger
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This needs to turn into a peace keeping mission after 2011.


James Birchall
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The Canadian soldiers have done incredible work against the Taliban. I think of them as a fighting force first and a pull out in 2011 seems right. Bring them home in 2011 and see where the soldiers are needed beyond 2011.

Graeme McLean
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This is such a tough situation. I think it's a noble mission with multiple good purposes and our military members have done a commendable job. However, we're alright at around the 8 year mark, 10 years is quickly approaching and the situation appears as volatile as ever outside of the North. I'm not naive enough to believe this mission can be done without the military. If NATO leaves, the country will likely fall to the Taliban and it will be ugly. At the same time, we can't stay there forever and the question becomes: are we just delaying the inevitable? We either need to have a clear plan for victory or our soldiers should leave today. It's not worth losing more soldiers just to delay eventual defeat. I hope we can win this thing and make Afghanistan a better place, but after 8 years I'm starting to lose hope.

Justin from Montreal
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Prime Minister Harper has the right approach of a balanced mission, but also engaging in the consultation process with Nato, ISAF, Obama, the Canadian Parliament and citizens through the Manley report. Canada, as an emerging super power in the world, has international obligations. It would be nice if China, Russia, Brazil and India also took their international responsibilities for a peaceful world more seriously.

Cindy
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We need to stay the course, or our soldiers have been lost for no reason, those people need us to complete what the Russians could not finish.

stevereal
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I don't care what anyone says about the Canadian Armed Forces they are a some of the most bravest and couregous group of men and women on this planet . We here in the US really respect those men and women serving alongside our men and women in Afghanistan. I hope Canada and our President Obama give NATO forces the time, money and equipment to play this next 12 to 18 months out fully backed by our governments. I believe General McChrystal has the exceptional knowledge and experience execute a top notch counter insurgency plan that could turn the tide and perception of the Af/Pak conflict around.

Tyler from Calgary
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PM Harper has it right we need a balanced approach.As he said combat operations are going to end for us. To switch to blue helmets and complete the important dam and projects in town we could guard and train people. We lose too many outside of town with the roadside bombs.

Adele Hay in Trenton
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Lets us not abandon the 15 million females we have given hope to. The brave school girls who head off each day armed with only a pencil need to know we are with them.


Condoguy
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While I understand our role in Afghanistan has been very difficult and has come with a heavy price, we cannot just simply pull out and hope some other country will continue the war on terrorism. Our fine men and women serving in this country have done an exemplary job and I fear the human losses we have suffered would be for not should we leave without seeing it through. We cannot live safely in Canada and hope that other countries will keep us safe from these radicals. I wish we didn't have to have any of our Armed Forces in any country fighting a war or being in harms way, but we live in an age where there are people out there wanting to come to our country and kill us. That is the reality. Not participating in a war is not going to change that. I fully support out troops and wish them well during their brave service.

Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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I can see that Canada can continue to work in Afghanistan past 2011 in the role of reconstruction (building schools, medical posts, bridges, roads, and drilling wells etc.). We will need protection for our people doing this work and if the other NATO countries will not do their part by providing this security then we will still need a number of our brave men and women to provide security. Canadian Forces have done a outstanding job and we are proud of each one of them!

Fed-Up Canadian!!!!
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Do you remember the comments like "your either with us or against us". This is part of the reason we are there. For the longest time we had no idea of the scope of the mission. We as Canadians FINISH what we start, unlike other countries that rely on "shock and awe" tactics. I do not want to see the sacrifices that real Canadians have made be for nothing. We need more support from our allies and just get the job done. Support our troops wherever they may be!!!

montreal
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I think Canada should pressure Pakistan to clean up on their side, and we should stay in Afghanistan till the job gets done. But canada should move from Kandahar to the north or take charge of Kabul, because the south is the front line and we did our part!!

CraigW
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I thought we had decided to get out of there already. I still can't understand why we ruined our reputation as peacekeepers to help enforce a U.S. foreign policy designed for economic gain in the guise of fighting terrorism.


Bob
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It is very easy.
2011 and we are OUT of there (period).


Matt
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This is such a complicated situation. Our soldiers have been nothing but excellent. I just hope that our government is damn sure that victory is achievable before we send more Men and Women into harms way. It will take a long time, but I know in my heart it can be done. Canadians have many different points of view on this topic, but the vast majority have an incredible amount of respect and appreciation for our soldiers and legitimately care about the outcome of this mission I hope our government can say the same. Support Our Troops


Conservative Mike
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I think the U.S and Canada has also better define clearly its stance on Iran just as much as Afghanistan. With Western involvement in Iraq & Afghanistan, together with the ongoing and endless strife between Palestinians and Israel, the growing instability in Pakistan AND the fact that Bin Laden is still hiding in the wings, it is clear that the situation anywhere in the Middle East needs a delicate touch, or we could wind up with World War III. The problem with stating we need a clearly defined strategy for these areas is that the situation changes so rapidly, and the problems so complex in that part of the world, that Western nations probably need to go all out there and commit thousands of troops BUT domestically in this day and age, what electorate would support that? I know I wouldn't...God bless our troops currently serving in Afghanistan - they're doing amazing work with what little they have, in a very volatile country...


Garry in NS
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We have done our part and our troops have done it well. In 2011, it will be time to come home. The continuance of NATO troops in Afghanistan must be picked-up by other NATO nations, particularly those in Europe. If they are not willing to do so, then perhaps it is time for Canada to withdraw from NATO because currently, it isn't working.

eddytoronto
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"We've been investigating in this War for some time now.... The Western community, which is held together by its value system, will fail, if this double standard does not cease.


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