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Experts predict tough spring in Afghanistan
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Date: Sat. Mar. 21 2009 9:20 PM ET
Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan face a season of heavy fighting against the Taliban this spring, two security experts say, a fact that was made clear after two separate IED attacks killed four Canadian soldiers on Friday.
The four fallen soldiers -- identified as Master Cpl. Scott Vernelli, 28, Cpl. Tyler Crooks, 24, Trooper Jack Bouthillier, 20, and Trooper Corey Joseph Hayes, 22 -- were killed during an operation to disrupt Taliban command centres and supply lines.
Such operations are deemed necessary to cripple insurgent activity, particularly in the south where Canadian troops are stationed, and spring marks the time of year when that activity increases, says security expert Alan Bell.
Supply lines re-open after the cold winter and insurgents begin moving freely again through the country, and they have to plant IEDs and other roadside bombs to take on coalition troops.
They will also likely step up attacks against coalition soldiers once the addition 17,000 U.S. troops arrive in the country, Bell said.
"The Taliban stated ... that this was good from their perspective because they now have more targets to attack," Bell said Saturday morning on CTV Newsnet. "So despite the fact there's going to be 17,000 or 18,000 additional U.S. soldiers placed into the Kandahar region, once again the Taliban will be looking at all means at their disposal, which includes the use of IEDs, to prevent (coalition soldiers) from moving inside their battle space."
Walter Dorn, a professor at the Canadian Forces College, said a "very bloody" winter has foreshadowed what looks to be an equally dangerous spring in Afghanistan.
"We know that the drug trade is prospering and that the Pakistani problem is only getting worse," Dorn told CTV Newsnet on Saturday morning.
"So, we predict that the spring offensive will be very bloody and it will require a huge amount of effort to protect ourselves and our troops, as well as to be able to do something deeper, which is trying to win the hearts and minds of the local population so that the Taliban and the other insurgents don't get the kind of support that they need in order to carry out their attacks."
Vernelli and Crooks died in an early morning blast at about 6:45 a.m. local time while on foot patrol in the Zhari district west of Kandahar. Another five Canadian soldiers were injured in that attack and a local interpreter was killed.
Bouthillier and Hayes were killed about two hours later when their vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb attack in the Shah Wali Kot district, about 20 kilometres northeast of Kandahar city. Three others were injured.
All of the soldiers were based out of CFB Petawawa.
The offensive, called Operation Jaley, was a joint effort by about 2,000 Canadian and U.S. troops, the largest Canadian-American military operation since the Korean War.
The commander of Canadian troops in Kandahar, Brig.-Gen. Jonathan Vance, said Saturday that such operations are necessary to try to delay, rather than eliminate entirely, a heavy season of fighting.
Vance said the soldiers' work likely delayed Taliban operations by a month. During the operation, soldiers recovered enough material to make between 30 and 50 IEDs, CTV's Jennifer Madigan reported Saturday from Afghanistan.
The soldiers also recovered a number of weapons and took 15 detainees, Madigan said.
It is also important to hamper the insurgents' ability to disrupt the upcoming presidential election, which is scheduled for Aug. 20, Vance said.
It is yet unclear if a planned influx of about 17,000 American soldiers will help or hinder the security situation in Afghanistan.
The increased presence of U.S. troops in the country should help coalition forces crack down more heavily on Taliban activity, but it may also boost insurgent attacks on foreign troops.
The soldiers' deaths bring the total number of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan to 116.
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Wally from Montreal
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Whitney
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My prayers go out to our soldiers and their families.
Once a Royal Canadian, Always a Royal Canadian!
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Rest in peace, Brothers.
Pro Patria
AJT
N Coy 1993-4
selina K
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bless the families who have lost love ones
P.S...to whoever wrote this artical Trooper Jack Bouthillier,was 18 not 20
prince albert, sask
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I agree that it is time to bring our soliders home alive. 116 is to many to lose.
You have all made your country proud and we all pray for all of the soliders to return to their families safe and sound.
May the fallen soliders rest in peace.
Len Horne
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Our family has lost members to WW1, WW2 and I was part of Gulf War 1.
Having being so close to the current Canadian / NATO predicament and being ever vigilant of the USSR Invasion of Afghanistan and the subsequent defeat and downfall of the same. I think Canada and NATO need to rethink their strategy.
Possibly treating Afghanistan with the same kid gloves as Saudi Arabia. After all it is because of Saudi nationals that we are in Afghanistan. The Afghanis have been suffering from the early 70’s. We never batted for them then, why now. Besides they are content with their lifestyles – lest we forget the Africans who lead desperate lives.
This is not about war or peace it’s about market share.
Don’t kid your self into believing that our troops are not in harms way, they are there because they choose to be there. CHOICE is what we all have and enjoy in the west – unfortunately that is not something the rest of the dictatorial world citizens enjoy.
Darlene (Calgary)
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Thank you to these 4 and all troups for your protection.
May God watch over you and bless you far beyond what you could ever imagine.
Andy TO
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Jane
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JR
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Micheal
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Josh
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SK Vet's Father
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Retired Sgt.
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Mo - Regina
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Do you still think that Canada is winning ..???
This war is nothing but a waste of lives, money and time. This is very sad, shame on all politicians.
Bring them home NOW!
David
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John in Georgina
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The rest of us must remember what happened in Europe when the Allies did nothing while Hitler took over most of the Continent. Do we want the Taliban to control Pakistan, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and so on. This will be the result if we don't build up the forces and get rid of the evil.
GTA
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old woman
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Murray@Cobourg
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Jonah
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General George Patton
As long as we live, they too will live;
for they are now a part of us, as WE REMEMBER THEM.
Garry in NS
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Canadian girl - Saskatoon
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Marie
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Romeo
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Every matter of aspect is believed to be when it is someone's time, it will be time for them to leave. I am a Canadian, currently working in Afghanistan as a businessmen. I am not in Kandahar, I am in Kabul, just recently you probably have heard about the SVBIED close the German Embassy close to Camp Eggers, that killed several people. It missed me by 10 seconds. When its not someone's time nothing can change that.
The failures we have in KAF, PRT or any FOBs in Kandahar is that our Canadian Government is not fully gearing up our brave men and women who serve in Afghanistan.
Building a Well or a Clinic does not prevent us from being targeted. Putting strong efforts and providing a team of professional INTEL will give us the abilities to predict something before it happens.
Mr. Harper, I am willing to sacrifice my life, are you willing to gear me up with the right tools?
Freedom without sacrifice isn't freedom at all.
God Bless Our Heroes
Fran from Halifax
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These soldiers that have died have not died in vain; but, god's speed to the ones that remain in Afghanistan. Please come home safe and sound to your families.
Remarkable
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Fighting in any combat theatre is always tough, however our men and women of the Canadian Forces are one of the best trained, best equipped armies in the western world.
They are up for the challenges ahead of them, regardless of the adversity both there and at home.
You may not approve of the operations that are going on over in Afghanistan, but regardless of them, we should all stand behind our troops and support them and their families, while they try and make a terrible part of this world a whole lot better.
Walking Man
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This is tribal warfare country that's why you can never win a war trying to fight the guerrilas on their terms & their territory, that's been proven time & again through history.
Put guns into the hands of politicians and sent them to the front.. Bring our boys home..
ex military..
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Trying to convince certain people that some things are worth fighting for is a waste of time.
Those spoiled, politically stubborn, socially obstinate little souls safely typing their little cerebral "anti-war" missives in the comfort of their cozy liberal sanctum purposely ignore the obvious global realities that brought the U.S. and Canada to Afghanistan.
To them, it's about the supposed "evil" of America, and the supposed "evil" of capitalist Western trade. It's about "disrespecting" people in other countries, regardless of their support of terrorism or hatred for many of their own people.
9/11 was a fictional Hollywood movie. Terrorists only hate the U.S. It's all about oil. Canada wasn't threatened. Our soldiers are dying in vain.
Yes; whatever. Don't worry my little selfish, self-centred, self-absorbed weenies, we pledge to keep you secure and safe to continue living with the freedom to type your naive thoughts. Keep taking it all for granted. The rest of us are used to it…and so is our military.
Jeremy John
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Paul in Brant
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1. Turn tail and run like cowards back home saying that this war is actually causing casualties.
2. Play the NATO game like our French/German allies by taking posts in safe areas while not firing a single shot.
3. Increase our presence and get the job done without Politics getting in the way.
Judging by many of the comments, I am particularly grateful that today's generation of Canadian wasn't around from 1939 to 1945.
Chris Owen Sound
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These are the heros, and they gave their lives for others..be supportive and chase your member of parliment to do the right thing. These soldiers benefits are not be-fitting of their deaths....
Arte ET Marte
Sheila Ireland
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It's time to bring them ALL back alive. They are NOT defending Canada- they are fighting someone else's battles. They are involved in something they shouldn't be.
BRING THEM HOME NOW!!!!!!!!!
Ali
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Here by choice
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I am not a pawn.
I have, of my own free will, come to Afghanistan. I was in earshot of one of the blasts. I have seen the fruits of our labours here, and so have the press. Good news isn't news, only bad news is.
I suppose the option is to turn a blind eye to tyranny, and let the "brown people" sink into the depths of a living hell because there is heavy lifting to do. I, for one, will not stand for tyranny.
RIP to the fallen, Get well to the wounded, and be strong to those left behind.
Linda in Vancouver
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My late parents went to Europe during WWII to help the people there who were fighting for their lives ant their freedoms.At first,it was the USA who thought that "Europen War" was none of their business.As things turned out later,it was,in gact,everyone's business.
Because my late father preferred not to discuss a lot of what ent on while he was there,I am still unable to fully understand what motivates people to do thise kind of work.Especially when it is on behalf of other people.But,I am grateful for all that they do.As we all should be.The world would be a much different place today if our ancestors had all just said that war "was none of ur business".
Perhaps my tune would be a little different if we had a military that relied on some kind of conscription for it's personel.Or if the government of Afghanistan hadn't asked for help,and we were there against the wishes of the people.
There has always been some people who are capable of putting aside their own safety concerns to help other people.While I cannot fully understand the psyche of such people,I greatly admire their resolve and their commitment,and am eternally grateful for how their work has given us the freedoms and basic rights we enjoy today.
My father once told me that no one wants peace any more than a soldier.But that a soldier knows all to well that the alternative to a war coonot be slavery to some unnacceptable regime of ideolgy.
May God bless all those who work for rights and freedoms everywhere.
Graeme
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Anyways, RIP soldiers, you served your country well.
Terry in BC
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Alex Hartson
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Yarker
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Dale
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antoine cosentino
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For those reasons it is very difficult to have a precise assesment of the situation in Afganistan.
being biased, I hope i'm wrong when I say that the afgan war is a repeat of the war in vietnam. Not because of lack of optimisim and confidence in our troops, but because the strategies employed do not seem to differ in the slightest.
Why?
Pakistan is the equivalent of Laos and Cambodia. Where enemy troops can base without fear of attack, resuply insurgents in Afganistan, mount offensive campains, just like the vietcong with the Ho Chi Min trail.
The terrain is similar, and like in Vietnam, superior air power doesnt have the same impact as in other battlefields like Irak for example. Thus the coalition must be spending millions for bombs that fall on dug in positions and underground shelters with little or no effect.
The troops on the ground are locked in area battles with no real enemy in sight. The term used in Vietnam was area war. From a base camp, the troops sweep the area of possible insurgents, faling prey to guerrila tactics and road side bombs. Slowly eating away at resolve and morale.
The battle for hearts and minds was a similar campain in Vietnam, with the same name, It doesnt work.
If they dont adopt a new strategy, its a waste of tax dollars.
Jessica
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Randy
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Does anyone really think that the Taliban will be completly eradicated upon the completion of the ally mission in Iraq and Afghanistan?
They appear to be gaining in strength and have stepped up the aggressive. Once the mission ends for the allies the Taliban will be back with full force.
We do not appear to be winning the war. All we are doingis buying time until the Taliban again takes control.
It is a shame that so many young lives will have been lost in vain.
Gail (Hamilton)
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Greg
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Samual
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Allan Eizinas
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Now we are told “Experts predict tough spring in Afghanistan”!
Even our politicians have abandoned the possibility of a military solution, the “hearts and minds” and “little girls going to school” mantra has been silenced as unattainable and it has been accepted that the Taliban will be part of a negotiated political solution.
What a waste of young Canadian lives!
Goldens
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John W
Bridgetown NS
JB at the UofC
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Every year I ask how things are going over there and if we are making a difference.
And every year they tell me that they ARE making a difference. Guys who have just come back from their third tour all state that everytime they go back it gets better each time.
It's unfortunate that soldiers die, but I am one Canadian that believes in what they are doing and I will not ask our soldiers to die in vien by not finishing the mission.
This year when the Stampede comes around, I will ask the same question and I will add to it "what type of equipment is lacking and would help you there?" I will take that answer and write to our politicians requesting more funding to give them the tools they need to finish the job.
I hope you will all take the time to do the same.
As always, I give my thanks and my prayers to the members of the Canadian Forces, you make me proud to be Canadian.
Too big a price alone
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Zarathustra
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My heart goes out to the families and loved ones of these brave souls. They died fighting for something they truly believed in and that matters.
In response to H - I don't think this is a winnable war in the conventional sense so it is hard to define "progress" but we have succeeded in laying the ground work for a brighter future in Afghanistan and we've provided their people with a better life. I think that is progress but you have to keep in mind that progress comes at a great cost.
In response to Jason from Calgary: "Its so upsetting in this day and age we are still reverting back to 1800's fighting and wars." WTF?? Yeah because up until now war only happened in the 1800's ... WW1 and WW2 never happened? Conflict has been around since the dawn of civilization dude.
Steve V
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chuckie [ex Dragoon and Hussar]
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If not for these people of honor and courage you wouldn't be able to enjoy the everyday freedoms you enjoy.
Karen McGregor
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Mark
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Leonard Litt
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J. kroll
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Ron St. Jacques
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However the news rarely covers the injured soldiers. The impression given is that these injuries are minor, resulting in a short stay in the hospital and then back with their unit. I know that many of those injuries have to be severe and are probably life altering.
We talk about supporting our troups; how about supporting them when they need it? Those life altering injuries have probably resulted in these soldies being honourably discharched from the armed forces and severely limited their ability to earn a decent income. Why can't we support them when they really need it? A decent disability pension, free tuition with a living allowance while at school; Yes, it will result in higher taxes, but that is something that anybody who 'supports our troups' should be willing to pay. I know I am.
StopSlaughteringourChildren
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When are Canadians going to stop believing the Lies of our millitary leaders and politicians? This is and endless WAR! We are not closer to victory than the Russians were.
The horrible fact is that hundreds upon hundreds of our troops are suffering great mental and physical trauma, and for WHAT?
I'll tell you what for, to fuel the fire of the Military-Industrial complex!
Chris in Edmonton
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Vancouver Soldier
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Defending Canada can never have a price tag placed on it. We do what we do because we love, to the day we die, the country that we live in. We don't ask for trohpies in return, just that our neighbours understand the sacrifice we make isn't for nothing, its for you, and your kids.
No more troops will be sent, so failure inevitable
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Dutch Maj. Gen. Mart de Kruif, who commands 23,000 NATO troops, said his forces control about 60 percent of the populated areas in southern Afghanistan.
Mira
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Heidi in Vancouver
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What terrorists are being nabbed?
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CC
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I'd also like to add that it's so very sad that people use the deaths of these volunteer soldiers for their own political gain. Judging by some of the comments here, some people simply have no shame.
Catherine Desrochers
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Courage is living through something most of us thankfully will never have to experience, getting up everyday afterwards and going on even when they can’t find a reason to do so. The people who love you are thankful for this.
Too many heroes are still carrying the burdens of the wars they have faced, even years after they returned, when will we become the heroes, they need us to be for them.
If I could carry some of this pain to lighten your load, I would.
When thank you is never enough
Anne
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Jason In Calgary
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Clocks ticking. Just a matter of how many die
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Don't blame me.
Tono
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James
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Peace out, I know the Canadian Forces Soldiers believe why they are in Afghanistan. They would not be there if they did not believe they are making a difference. Look at what they have accomplished since 2002. Schools built, fresh water wells, infrastructure so ordinary Afghans can provide food for their families and training of the Afghan police so Canadian Soldiers can provide assistance in other parts of the world.
A Soldier's work is not just about ridding Afghanistan of Insurgents and Terrorists.
God Bless our Soldiers as they are Freedom Fighters and a very important part of the coalition.
Best Regards.
H
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Yeah... whatever.
I guess maybe people will wise up, someday... maybe... not.
SK Doctor
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