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Left to right, Master Cpl. Scott Vernelli, 28, Cpl. Tyler Crooks, 24, Trooper Jack Bouthillier, 20, and Trooper Corey Joseph Hayes, 22, are seen in this combination photo. Left to right, Master Cpl. Scott Vernelli, 28, Cpl. Tyler Crooks, 24, Trooper Jack Bouthillier, 20, and Trooper Corey Joseph Hayes, 22, are seen in this combination photo. Alan Bell, the president of security management consultancy firm Globe Risk Holdings, speaks with CTV Newsnet on Saturday, March 21, 2009.

Experts predict tough spring in Afghanistan

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Date: Sat. Mar. 21 2009 9:20 PM ET

Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan face a season of heavy fighting against the Taliban this spring, two security experts say, a fact that was made clear after two separate IED attacks killed four Canadian soldiers on Friday.

The four fallen soldiers -- identified as Master Cpl. Scott Vernelli, 28, Cpl. Tyler Crooks, 24, Trooper Jack Bouthillier, 20, and Trooper Corey Joseph Hayes, 22 -- were killed during an operation to disrupt Taliban command centres and supply lines.

Such operations are deemed necessary to cripple insurgent activity, particularly in the south where Canadian troops are stationed, and spring marks the time of year when that activity increases, says security expert Alan Bell.

Supply lines re-open after the cold winter and insurgents begin moving freely again through the country, and they have to plant IEDs and other roadside bombs to take on coalition troops.

They will also likely step up attacks against coalition soldiers once the addition 17,000 U.S. troops arrive in the country, Bell said.

"The Taliban stated ... that this was good from their perspective because they now have more targets to attack," Bell said Saturday morning on CTV Newsnet. "So despite the fact there's going to be 17,000 or 18,000 additional U.S. soldiers placed into the Kandahar region, once again the Taliban will be looking at all means at their disposal, which includes the use of IEDs, to prevent (coalition soldiers) from moving inside their battle space."

Walter Dorn, a professor at the Canadian Forces College, said a "very bloody" winter has foreshadowed what looks to be an equally dangerous spring in Afghanistan.

"We know that the drug trade is prospering and that the Pakistani problem is only getting worse," Dorn told CTV Newsnet on Saturday morning.

"So, we predict that the spring offensive will be very bloody and it will require a huge amount of effort to protect ourselves and our troops, as well as to be able to do something deeper, which is trying to win the hearts and minds of the local population so that the Taliban and the other insurgents don't get the kind of support that they need in order to carry out their attacks."

Vernelli and Crooks died in an early morning blast at about 6:45 a.m. local time while on foot patrol in the Zhari district west of Kandahar. Another five Canadian soldiers were injured in that attack and a local interpreter was killed.

Bouthillier and Hayes were killed about two hours later when their vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb attack in the Shah Wali Kot district, about 20 kilometres northeast of Kandahar city. Three others were injured.

All of the soldiers were based out of CFB Petawawa.

The offensive, called Operation Jaley, was a joint effort by about 2,000 Canadian and U.S. troops, the largest Canadian-American military operation since the Korean War.

The commander of Canadian troops in Kandahar, Brig.-Gen. Jonathan Vance, said Saturday that such operations are necessary to try to delay, rather than eliminate entirely, a heavy season of fighting.

Vance said the soldiers' work likely delayed Taliban operations by a month. During the operation, soldiers recovered enough material to make between 30 and 50 IEDs, CTV's Jennifer Madigan reported Saturday from Afghanistan.

The soldiers also recovered a number of weapons and took 15 detainees, Madigan said.

It is also important to hamper the insurgents' ability to disrupt the upcoming presidential election, which is scheduled for Aug. 20, Vance said.

It is yet unclear if a planned influx of about 17,000 American soldiers will help or hinder the security situation in Afghanistan.

The increased presence of U.S. troops in the country should help coalition forces crack down more heavily on Taliban activity, but it may also boost insurgent attacks on foreign troops.

The soldiers' deaths bring the total number of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan to 116.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Wally from Montreal
said

Not again...I just played the song "Photograph" by Ringo Starr 1976. Tears came flowing, from my eyes. It has to stop, end it for good, don't nuke them, but blast them into oblivion. Please.....


Whitney
said

It upsets me to see the number of fallen soldiers rise in the mission in Afghanistan, as it does for all. Maybe you support this war and maybe you don't. However, these soldiers are aware of the sacrifice they made and just need for everyone to support their decision. Does anyone actually believe that this nagging about the war helps these soldiers any? I am a proud Canadian and I love this country with all my heart. Maybe it's not our war to be fighting, but we Canadians rose above and are making huge efforts to help others in need. To use the excuse of "it's not our war" is almost inhumane of us. We are all people on this earth no matter what ethnicity we are. This may not directly concern our country, but it concerns our world that we live in. What's done is done so just support these courageous heroes because they obviously believe they are in Afghanistan for a reason.

My prayers go out to our soldiers and their families.


Once a Royal Canadian, Always a Royal Canadian!
said

Almighty God; we humbly implore thy blessing on The Royal Canadian Regiment and all of us who serve therein. Help us to prove worthy to accept the high ideals and traditions of the past; to honour and revere the memory of those who have gone before us; to face our responsibilities in the future, in both peace and war, with courage, justice, love, honesty, and faithfulness. Remove all greed, hatred, selfishness, and envy from our thoughts that we may render true service to the Regiment and for Thee our God; for our fellow man; and "For Country".

Rest in peace, Brothers.
Pro Patria
AJT
N Coy 1993-4


selina K
said

Another sad day for them over there fighting
bless the families who have lost love ones

P.S...to whoever wrote this artical Trooper Jack Bouthillier,was 18 not 20


prince albert, sask
said

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of Canada's 4 fallen soliders yet again.

I agree that it is time to bring our soliders home alive. 116 is to many to lose.

You have all made your country proud and we all pray for all of the soliders to return to their families safe and sound.

May the fallen soliders rest in peace.


Len Horne
said

Peace on Earth
Our family has lost members to WW1, WW2 and I was part of Gulf War 1.
Having being so close to the current Canadian / NATO predicament and being ever vigilant of the USSR Invasion of Afghanistan and the subsequent defeat and downfall of the same. I think Canada and NATO need to rethink their strategy.
Possibly treating Afghanistan with the same kid gloves as Saudi Arabia. After all it is because of Saudi nationals that we are in Afghanistan. The Afghanis have been suffering from the early 70’s. We never batted for them then, why now. Besides they are content with their lifestyles – lest we forget the Africans who lead desperate lives.
This is not about war or peace it’s about market share.
Don’t kid your self into believing that our troops are not in harms way, they are there because they choose to be there. CHOICE is what we all have and enjoy in the west – unfortunately that is not something the rest of the dictatorial world citizens enjoy.



Darlene (Calgary)
said

On behalf of my family we would like to send our condolences to the famlies and friends of these HERO'S, When I heard that 4 more have died I cryed and cryed. May God hold each of you and comfort you in this terrible time, but be proud very proud of your loved one we are, we are very proud and honored that they paid the ultimate price for our freedom's and trying to bring freedom to Afghanistan.
Thank you to these 4 and all troups for your protection.
May God watch over you and bless you far beyond what you could ever imagine.


Andy TO
said

Everyone loves an expert! Have any of these guys gotten anything right regarding any of the ongoing world conflicts. Why does anyone especially our national media take what these guys have to say as truth. I predict our troops will have a hrd time this spring, summer, fall and winter..... of course it will be they are in a war zone!


Jane
said

My condolences to the family. It's a worthy mission though, and their sacrifice was worth the relative freedom and security the mission brings to Afghanistan, and the world at large. Those who take advantage of this sad but honorable loss by doing nothing but berating the idea of withdrawl lose site, or want to hide the fact that conflict is sometimes an unfortunate and costly price to pay to prevent a worse evil, like what Afghanistan was under the Taliban), or to prevent the harm that evil actions might do here at home. 4 of our soldiers died in this attack, but might that be multipled by 10 or 100 if the attacks happened here? If your opponent only understands the language of violence then that is what we must speak, if necessary. Afghanistan is not Iraq. Beware unbalanced perspectives.


JR
said

You know, we have got the helicopters here, they may not be the best, but they will get our boys off the road. Pack em up in a herc and get them over there! They are doing a amazing job, give them the tools!!!!!!


Micheal
said

PRO PATRIA!


Josh
said

I Think it's stupid people are going to fight a war thats not ours if they want to fight war so bad theres many virtual games to play!


SK Vet's Father
said

This story is not the place for you 'peaceniks' to whine about your personal beliefs - 4 decent Canadians have DIED for someone else's freedom...for goodness sake, show some respect...


Retired Sgt.
said

This is a war which we can never win. Yes, we're helping a few people in Afghanistan, Schools, Infrastructure, Clean Water etc. However, if we leave this will all dissapear. So our choices are stay and continue to take casulties or leave and have everything we've done be for nothing.



Mo - Regina
said

Canada deployed 2500 soldiers to Afghanistan. 116 of them have been killed (so far), this is about 5% of the troops. Another 10% must have been injured. So we end up with 15% killed and wounded.
Do you still think that Canada is winning ..???

This war is nothing but a waste of lives, money and time. This is very sad, shame on all politicians.

Bring them home NOW!


David
said

"Experts predict..." You don't need to be an expert to predict this. 116 and counting.


John in Georgina
said

My heart goes out to the families of our fallen troops.
The rest of us must remember what happened in Europe when the Allies did nothing while Hitler took over most of the Continent. Do we want the Taliban to control Pakistan, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and so on. This will be the result if we don't build up the forces and get rid of the evil.


GTA
said

Yeah sure, another CTV so-called expert with an agenda.


old woman
said

xperts predict and soldiers die;whadda quagmire over there


Murray@Cobourg
said

It's saddening that so many soldiers have to die to try to accomplish a good thing..What is even more saddening is that they are dying from road side bombs.With our so called technology why do they not have a device that can detect bombs and why are our vehicles not made to withstand a bomb???If it were a politician visiting you can bet they would be in the best armoured vehicle made..And as far as Im concerned our soldiers are far more important than any politician!!!!To keep them safe give them the proper tools to do their job...


Jonah
said

"We should not grieve that such men died, but rather rejoice that such men lived."

General George Patton



As long as we live, they too will live;
for they are now a part of us, as WE REMEMBER THEM.


Garry in NS
said

It is always very saddening when such young lives are lost in combat. However, some of the writers in this blog need to put things into perspective and objectively. We have lost just over one hundred troops in Afghanistan over a period of almost seven years. In world war two, we lost over 43,000 in six years and you didn't hear Canadians wailing to bring our troops home. Also, Canadians do not cut and run. We have made a committment to remain until 2011 and we will live up to that committment. However, once our troops are home I believe we should take a very sobering look as to whether-or-not we wish to remain in NATO. It (NATO) does not seem to be working that well.


Canadian girl - Saskatoon
said

God bless. Thank you.



Marie
said

to all the familys my sympathy to jack aka boots im glad to say i had the honor to meet you i wish i could have gotten to know you better rest in peace boots we will be thinking of you


Romeo
said

My prayers and condolences to the families of the brave men and women of the Canadian Forces.

Every matter of aspect is believed to be when it is someone's time, it will be time for them to leave. I am a Canadian, currently working in Afghanistan as a businessmen. I am not in Kandahar, I am in Kabul, just recently you probably have heard about the SVBIED close the German Embassy close to Camp Eggers, that killed several people. It missed me by 10 seconds. When its not someone's time nothing can change that.

The failures we have in KAF, PRT or any FOBs in Kandahar is that our Canadian Government is not fully gearing up our brave men and women who serve in Afghanistan.

Building a Well or a Clinic does not prevent us from being targeted. Putting strong efforts and providing a team of professional INTEL will give us the abilities to predict something before it happens.

Mr. Harper, I am willing to sacrifice my life, are you willing to gear me up with the right tools?

Freedom without sacrifice isn't freedom at all.

God Bless Our Heroes


Fran from Halifax
said

My husband leaves on March 23 for Kabul as a Civilian Defence Contractor.

These soldiers that have died have not died in vain; but, god's speed to the ones that remain in Afghanistan. Please come home safe and sound to your families.


Remarkable
said

Canadian soldiers have a tough year ahead of them, never mind spring.

Fighting in any combat theatre is always tough, however our men and women of the Canadian Forces are one of the best trained, best equipped armies in the western world.

They are up for the challenges ahead of them, regardless of the adversity both there and at home.

You may not approve of the operations that are going on over in Afghanistan, but regardless of them, we should all stand behind our troops and support them and their families, while they try and make a terrible part of this world a whole lot better.


Walking Man
said

You've got it pretty well right Terry in BC.

This is tribal warfare country that's why you can never win a war trying to fight the guerrilas on their terms & their territory, that's been proven time & again through history.

Put guns into the hands of politicians and sent them to the front.. Bring our boys home..

ex military..


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

IGNORANCE IS BLISS

Trying to convince certain people that some things are worth fighting for is a waste of time.

Those spoiled, politically stubborn, socially obstinate little souls safely typing their little cerebral "anti-war" missives in the comfort of their cozy liberal sanctum purposely ignore the obvious global realities that brought the U.S. and Canada to Afghanistan.

To them, it's about the supposed "evil" of America, and the supposed "evil" of capitalist Western trade. It's about "disrespecting" people in other countries, regardless of their support of terrorism or hatred for many of their own people.

9/11 was a fictional Hollywood movie. Terrorists only hate the U.S. It's all about oil. Canada wasn't threatened. Our soldiers are dying in vain.

Yes; whatever. Don't worry my little selfish, self-centred, self-absorbed weenies, we pledge to keep you secure and safe to continue living with the freedom to type your naive thoughts. Keep taking it all for granted. The rest of us are used to it…and so is our military.


Jeremy John
said

As a serving member of the CF and more importantly an Ex Royal, I am proud of what my brothers in arms have done. They have given the ultimate sacrifice for a mission in which they believed in. You people who second guess the men and women who are in Afghanistan are the same people that would have cowered in the the fear of the Germans in WWII. PRO PATRIA (For Country)


Paul in Brant
said

Canada has three choices.
1. Turn tail and run like cowards back home saying that this war is actually causing casualties.
2. Play the NATO game like our French/German allies by taking posts in safe areas while not firing a single shot.
3. Increase our presence and get the job done without Politics getting in the way.

Judging by many of the comments, I am particularly grateful that today's generation of Canadian wasn't around from 1939 to 1945.


Chris Owen Sound
said

My HEART to the families. Soldiers are soldiers just doing what they are told. Not enough money, not enough equipment, and poor benefits. Lets get our MPs and other politicians over there for the same as these soldiers..Then lets see whos who...
These are the heros, and they gave their lives for others..be supportive and chase your member of parliment to do the right thing. These soldiers benefits are not be-fitting of their deaths....

Arte ET Marte


Sheila Ireland
said

BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW- ALIVE!!!

It's time to bring them ALL back alive. They are NOT defending Canada- they are fighting someone else's battles. They are involved in something they shouldn't be.

BRING THEM HOME NOW!!!!!!!!!


Ali
said

Get out while you can Canada. Don't know why you're there cleaning American made mess.


Here by choice
said

I am not a child.
I am not a pawn.
I have, of my own free will, come to Afghanistan. I was in earshot of one of the blasts. I have seen the fruits of our labours here, and so have the press. Good news isn't news, only bad news is.
I suppose the option is to turn a blind eye to tyranny, and let the "brown people" sink into the depths of a living hell because there is heavy lifting to do. I, for one, will not stand for tyranny.
RIP to the fallen, Get well to the wounded, and be strong to those left behind.

Linda in Vancouver
said

I'm sick to death of the lives being lost as well.But I stand behind the brave men and women who serve our country so valiantly.
My late parents went to Europe during WWII to help the people there who were fighting for their lives ant their freedoms.At first,it was the USA who thought that "Europen War" was none of their business.As things turned out later,it was,in gact,everyone's business.
Because my late father preferred not to discuss a lot of what ent on while he was there,I am still unable to fully understand what motivates people to do thise kind of work.Especially when it is on behalf of other people.But,I am grateful for all that they do.As we all should be.The world would be a much different place today if our ancestors had all just said that war "was none of ur business".
Perhaps my tune would be a little different if we had a military that relied on some kind of conscription for it's personel.Or if the government of Afghanistan hadn't asked for help,and we were there against the wishes of the people.
There has always been some people who are capable of putting aside their own safety concerns to help other people.While I cannot fully understand the psyche of such people,I greatly admire their resolve and their commitment,and am eternally grateful for how their work has given us the freedoms and basic rights we enjoy today.
My father once told me that no one wants peace any more than a soldier.But that a soldier knows all to well that the alternative to a war coonot be slavery to some unnacceptable regime of ideolgy.
May God bless all those who work for rights and freedoms everywhere.

Graeme
said

CC, I haven't seen any political comments or anyone trying to 'gain' something. Is it possible that some people are against the war because they actually care about the young lives and not because they're trying to get their party into power? Thinking after deaths that 'maybe this isn't worth it', agree or disagree, isn't political. No one's made comments like "if Layton were PM, this wouldn't have happened": that would be political.

Anyways, RIP soldiers, you served your country well.


Terry in BC
said

It is deeply saddening to see our deployed units fighting a "no-win" situation, as they do not have the ability to deal with a guerilla war. There have been many tries, especially in Afghanstan, but the result will be the same. The Soviet Union could not control this country with over a million ground troops, why does NATO believe that it can with such a smaller military force? Add the fact that these bastards are winning politically now, it is going to undermine everything good that has been done there by Canada and other NATO nations. These experts forgot one important thing, they need to take the fight to these guerilla, not wait and allow NATO to get picked off daily. Know that the Taliban know that public opinion is against our presence there, you can bet that they will step it up for the Spring offensive against NATO. What a mess that Harper has made for our military, and now he will probably sell them out for votes back home.


Alex Hartson
said

I understsnd that canadian troops were meeting with tribal elders when the ied exploded. Don't you think it strange that none of the tribal elders were injured when the bomb went off? It's time to get our troops out of afghanistan.


Yarker
said

For the love of God, Harper, get our troops out of Afghanistan! This stint in the Middle East is nothing more than an elaborate military exercise offering no hope of a win. Enough good people with promising futures have died, so let's bring this thing to an end NOW rather than later.


Dale
said

Back in the 40's there was a country that used a lot of suicide bombers and such. The only way that ended was when the Allies dropped a couple of really big bombs. Is that what needed here? I support the troops but I hate to think that in the long run they're dying for nothing.


antoine cosentino
said

The media coverage on the war in Afganistan doesn't go in depth about the strategies employed by the coalition. In part for the security of our troops. The average joe, like me, has no clue about troop deployment etc. The millitary will also paint a rosy picture most of the time to keep morale high and make sure the people back home continue to support the war effort.

For those reasons it is very difficult to have a precise assesment of the situation in Afganistan.
being biased, I hope i'm wrong when I say that the afgan war is a repeat of the war in vietnam. Not because of lack of optimisim and confidence in our troops, but because the strategies employed do not seem to differ in the slightest.

Why?
Pakistan is the equivalent of Laos and Cambodia. Where enemy troops can base without fear of attack, resuply insurgents in Afganistan, mount offensive campains, just like the vietcong with the Ho Chi Min trail.

The terrain is similar, and like in Vietnam, superior air power doesnt have the same impact as in other battlefields like Irak for example. Thus the coalition must be spending millions for bombs that fall on dug in positions and underground shelters with little or no effect.

The troops on the ground are locked in area battles with no real enemy in sight. The term used in Vietnam was area war. From a base camp, the troops sweep the area of possible insurgents, faling prey to guerrila tactics and road side bombs. Slowly eating away at resolve and morale.

The battle for hearts and minds was a similar campain in Vietnam, with the same name, It doesnt work.
If they dont adopt a new strategy, its a waste of tax dollars.

Jessica
said

I feel so sad everytime i look and see more canadian soldiers killed. My thoughts and prayers are with the families. This is such a tragedy, such young promising lives taken so quickly without any warning. I really wish this would end! Please bring the Canadian troops home!


Randy
said

Everytime I hear of a twentysomething year old dying I question if this is all worth it.

Does anyone really think that the Taliban will be completly eradicated upon the completion of the ally mission in Iraq and Afghanistan?

They appear to be gaining in strength and have stepped up the aggressive. Once the mission ends for the allies the Taliban will be back with full force.

We do not appear to be winning the war. All we are doingis buying time until the Taliban again takes control.

It is a shame that so many young lives will have been lost in vain.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

So many young men who have laid down their lives with nary a commment on their accomplishments. Evil must be defeated and our soldiers deserve all the respect we can give them. God bless them and their families. Condolences just don't seem enough.


Greg
said

Every time I see a soldier die on the news it makes me feel terrible and I feel that Canada needs more military help from nato or other countries, I don't think we get enough support in that way. The comments of Jim Davis on ctv newsnet about the war are so true, Canadians need to support their people on the frontlines more if its a soldier or politacal leader. CANADIANS are bandwagon jumpers and if there is one thing we can learn from the U.S. it is how to be proud of our people.

Samual
said

Pull out, Canada should let the USA fight their own war. In north American opiates are used for medical purposes. Buy the poppy off these people. The Americans war on drugs will never end here at home we hear of gang shootings. This is the same as prohibitions days, when they made alcohol legal the shootings stopped. The drug problems are here, there not going away, legalize all drugs no more shootings, billions more dollars & reduced law enforcement a win win situation rather than shoot em up cowboys.


Allan Eizinas
said

At the start of this war, Canadian troops were dying as they were “consolidating” NATO positions, then they were dying while they were re-capturing these same previously held NATO positions, now they are dying while “disrupting” these same positions which are now “rallying points” for the Taliban.

Now we are told “Experts predict tough spring in Afghanistan”!

Even our politicians have abandoned the possibility of a military solution, the “hearts and minds” and “little girls going to school” mantra has been silenced as unattainable and it has been accepted that the Taliban will be part of a negotiated political solution.

What a waste of young Canadian lives!


Goldens
said

It is a shame that the price of freedom has to be so high. These men and women are doing so much for the benefits of all Canadians. Not like the ones staying at home bitching and may be needlessly dying so they can have a thrill on a mountain ready to avalanche or to fueling the drug surgency here in Canada.
John W
Bridgetown NS


JB at the UofC
said

Before this turns into a bunch of comments of "bring them home," I'd like to say I truly believe in this mission. Every year there is a display at the Calgary Stampede from the CF and I get a chance to talk to some of our soldiers.

Every year I ask how things are going over there and if we are making a difference.

And every year they tell me that they ARE making a difference. Guys who have just come back from their third tour all state that everytime they go back it gets better each time.

It's unfortunate that soldiers die, but I am one Canadian that believes in what they are doing and I will not ask our soldiers to die in vien by not finishing the mission.

This year when the Stampede comes around, I will ask the same question and I will add to it "what type of equipment is lacking and would help you there?" I will take that answer and write to our politicians requesting more funding to give them the tools they need to finish the job.

I hope you will all take the time to do the same.

As always, I give my thanks and my prayers to the members of the Canadian Forces, you make me proud to be Canadian.


Too big a price alone
said

If Afghanistan is an example of what the NATO agreement has become we will never win there or any other place. Canada and the U.S. the two countries that have the least immediate threat to their borders are carrying the load.Lets hear some tough talk from our leaders.We have carried our load with honor but that does not mean we have to continue this alone to save face. If the upcomimng NATO meeting does not see a larger commitment from all 32 members we should be the first to give notice of our leaving this organization.


Zarathustra
said

People tend to forget that regardless of what your opinion is on this conflict or what political or moral position you take on the matter, people are going to be killed. That is what happens in combat. This is not a peace keeping expedition like Bosnia. It's a war.

My heart goes out to the families and loved ones of these brave souls. They died fighting for something they truly believed in and that matters.

In response to H - I don't think this is a winnable war in the conventional sense so it is hard to define "progress" but we have succeeded in laying the ground work for a brighter future in Afghanistan and we've provided their people with a better life. I think that is progress but you have to keep in mind that progress comes at a great cost.

In response to Jason from Calgary: "Its so upsetting in this day and age we are still reverting back to 1800's fighting and wars." WTF?? Yeah because up until now war only happened in the 1800's ... WW1 and WW2 never happened? Conflict has been around since the dawn of civilization dude.

Steve V
said

How many deaths will it takes to stop this mess? We don't have the right equipment to fight this war. We don't have the right vehicles!!! Time to start fighting from the air with helicopters. NO IEDs in the air....


chuckie [ex Dragoon and Hussar]
said

HEY "H"
If not for these people of honor and courage you wouldn't be able to enjoy the everyday freedoms you enjoy.

Karen McGregor
said

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of our fallen soldiers. May our most recent 4 heroes rest in peace knowing that they have paid the ultimate sacrifice to keep Canadians safe from harm. I encourage every Canadian, who is without a personal link to a military family, to seek to be informed about the vast impact this committment to keeping all Canadians safe, has on each solider's personal life and the lives of their family members.


Mark
said

The problem is: they are not defending OUR country. Afghanistan is indeed the war on terror, but the terror was directed at the U.S. They are dying in a war that will end much like the Iraq war will conclude - and both very much like Vietnam.


Leonard Litt
said

The only way to win in aphganistan is to fully occupy the country the way it was done in Germany and Japan after the 2nd World War. The troops are dealing with an enemy with a 16th century mentality, and know nothing else but war. We have to occupy and fully reeducate the entire population, to rid them of the terrorists. we also have to take a zero tolerance position with the people supplying the money and munitions to the terorists, regardless of country of origin or political status.


J. kroll
said

I believe we need to pt aside our personal political views at a time like this and just simply support our men at arms. The thoughts and prayers of my family go out the the families of all our fallen soldiers. I am proud to say that I am Canadian and our Soldiers deserve our love and support for they all represent what is best in all Canadians,the desire to do what is right.


Ron St. Jacques
said

As a father of a non-military family of four boys who are the same ages of these soldiers, my heart goes out to the families. I can't imagine anything worse.
However the news rarely covers the injured soldiers. The impression given is that these injuries are minor, resulting in a short stay in the hospital and then back with their unit. I know that many of those injuries have to be severe and are probably life altering.
We talk about supporting our troups; how about supporting them when they need it? Those life altering injuries have probably resulted in these soldies being honourably discharched from the armed forces and severely limited their ability to earn a decent income. Why can't we support them when they really need it? A decent disability pension, free tuition with a living allowance while at school; Yes, it will result in higher taxes, but that is something that anybody who 'supports our troups' should be willing to pay. I know I am.


StopSlaughteringourChildren
said

I AM SICK OF OUR SOLIDERS DYING!

When are Canadians going to stop believing the Lies of our millitary leaders and politicians? This is and endless WAR! We are not closer to victory than the Russians were.

The horrible fact is that hundreds upon hundreds of our troops are suffering great mental and physical trauma, and for WHAT?

I'll tell you what for, to fuel the fire of the Military-Industrial complex!



Chris in Edmonton
said

Because after all "H" you are the be all end all expert on the situation sitting there on your couch. My extreme sympathy to the families of the troops.


Vancouver Soldier
said

Actually Jason, the mission ends in Feb 2011. As a soldier myself, I understand the risks involved with the job and so does everyone else.
Defending Canada can never have a price tag placed on it. We do what we do because we love, to the day we die, the country that we live in. We don't ask for trohpies in return, just that our neighbours understand the sacrifice we make isn't for nothing, its for you, and your kids.


No more troops will be sent, so failure inevitable
said

The military commander responsible for southern Afghanistan said yesterday that he is "out of troops" to provide security across the troubled region and that he expects a significant increase in violence this year as U.S. reinforcements arrive to push into insurgent-held territory.

Dutch Maj. Gen. Mart de Kruif, who commands 23,000 NATO troops, said his forces control about 60 percent of the populated areas in southern Afghanistan.


Mira
said

Is it really nessecary to keep a tally of the number of soldiers killed? It hurts to hear that even one soldier lost their life but to keep reminding us of the number only adds to the pain. It just seems such a cold ending to the story. The soldiers and their families need to be honoured with memories of the good that came from their efforts not just added to the list.


Heidi in Vancouver
said

I think we've lost enough young men in this War...I don't see us making any progress. Things will never change in Afganistan till the People decide to change in this Country. We're not protecting canadian against any harm, this is not our War! Save our kids and bring them home...my heart goes to the Families of these young men..


What terrorists are being nabbed?
said

The worst of the worst, in Rumsfeld's words, who have been released from the US concentration camp at Guantanomo because they had nothing to do with terrorism but just got "nabbed" by US bozo forces.


CC
said

My heart goes out to the families of these great soldiers.

I'd also like to add that it's so very sad that people use the deaths of these volunteer soldiers for their own political gain. Judging by some of the comments here, some people simply have no shame.


Catherine Desrochers
said

A hero is an entire family that goes through the changes that happen to them and other members of their family, that occurs when someone they love comes back; wounded spiritually, morally, physically and yes even in death; and everyone around them has no appreciation of the sacrifice they made for us.

Courage is living through something most of us thankfully will never have to experience, getting up everyday afterwards and going on even when they can’t find a reason to do so. The people who love you are thankful for this.

Too many heroes are still carrying the burdens of the wars they have faced, even years after they returned, when will we become the heroes, they need us to be for them.
If I could carry some of this pain to lighten your load, I would.

When thank you is never enough



Anne
said

My heart goes out the families of our fallen hero's. My prayers are that God will sustain you through this. I pray God keeps the rest of our troops safe. Time to bring our Troops home safely.



Jason In Calgary
said

Every time I hear of another Soldier who dies in this "war" my heart sink and I cry thinking they have dies for a senseless, lose lose situation. They are defending our country but at what cost? These men and women, lose there lives for What? Its so upsetting in this day and age we are still reverting back to 1800's fighting and wars. Its truly a sad day for Canada when we lose our soldiers. May they rest in peace fighting for what they feel was the right course of action. I can't wait until this mission ends next year.


Clocks ticking. Just a matter of how many die
said

before withdrawal and admission of NATO defeat.

Don't blame me.

Tono
said

This really is demoralising when the press covers all of the Canadians who are killed, but hardly ever gives us updates on how many terrorists we're nabbing.


James
said

We have tried and tried and tried to keep the peace and will continue to do so. If the Insurgents insist on fighting coalition forces, then that is what will happen. The Afghan population wants to be free of Tyranny and I am quite certain the world as a whole wants to rid the evil-doers of the world who would give no thought of committing acts of Terrorism on civilians in the region.

Peace out, I know the Canadian Forces Soldiers believe why they are in Afghanistan. They would not be there if they did not believe they are making a difference. Look at what they have accomplished since 2002. Schools built, fresh water wells, infrastructure so ordinary Afghans can provide food for their families and training of the Afghan police so Canadian Soldiers can provide assistance in other parts of the world.

A Soldier's work is not just about ridding Afghanistan of Insurgents and Terrorists.

God Bless our Soldiers as they are Freedom Fighters and a very important part of the coalition.

Best Regards.


H
said

Oh, and here I thought we were making all of this great progress against the Taliban... to hear the generals talk, anyway...

Yeah... whatever.

I guess maybe people will wise up, someday... maybe... not.


SK Doctor
said

Our thoughts are with the families during this difficult time...


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