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Date: Thu. Dec. 11 2008 7:59 AM ET
Freshly minted Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff says Canadians have sent a clear message they want their leaders to listen to each other and co-operate -- and he plans to do just that.
One day after being crowned the new party leader, Ignatieff told CTV's Canada AM one of his first orders of business will be to sit down with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and hear him out.
"I think it's right for me to listen," Ignatieff said.
"I think the Canadian people are sending us all a message that it's time for us to listen. Mr. Harper didn't listen to the opposition, he lost the confidence of the House of Commons, he's unable to govern without the confidence of the House of Commons, so it's time that he sat down."
However, he added, "I haven't seen him do much listening so it will be interesting to see if he starts now."
Ignatieff said he had a short congratulatory talk with Harper Wednesday night, but they haven't yet scheduled a sit-down meeting.
In his inaugural news conference as leader on Wednesday, Ignatieff said he was willing to honour the coalition agreement forged between the Liberals and the NDP to topple the Conservatives -- unless the government comes up with a budget he can live with at the end of January.
Earlier this month Ignatieff appeared to be lukewarm on the idea of the coalition, which requires support from the Bloc Quebecois to bring down the Tories.
He said on Thursday the Conservatives will have to draft a budget that puts the needs of Canadians first, if they expect his support, which is essential to keeping the government alive.
"I think what Canadians want us to do is to have a budget at the end of January that protects the most vulnerable in our society," Ignatieff said.
"We're going to have more unemployment next year, we're going to have families really having a hard time putting food on the table and they're going to want their government to make sure they're looking after them, that's number one."
The budget must also include stimulus for the economy that will provide a jolt to business people and entrepreneurs, Ignatieff said.
He told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Wednesday that Harper must also ditch his "my way or the highway" style of government.
"You can't run a minority Parliament like this: we are fed up with it, we won't have it anymore."
While NDP Leader Jack Layton seems intent on toppling the Tories in January no matter what, Ignatieff struck a more diplomatic tone Wednesday.
"Canadians can't trust us politicians if we say things like 'I'm going to vote against the budget even though I haven't seen it,'" Ignatieff said.
"It seems to me, that (approach) treats the Canadian people with disrespect."
Ignatieff became leader after the party consulted with about 800 influential Liberals from across Canada, and follows a caucus meeting held earlier in the day in which MPs also endorsed the new leader.
In a media release, party president Doug Ferguson said Ignatieff will take over the party's top job at a "historic" moment.
"Our interim leader will be called upon to lead our caucus and our party through a volatile Parliament, and a possible federal election in the midst of the worst economic crisis in memory," Ferguson said Wednesday afternoon.
During the Grit caucus meeting in Ottawa Wednesday morning, Bob Rae, who withdrew from the Liberal leadership race Tuesday, nominated Ignatieff for the leadership position.
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Peter Rapsey
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Chuck
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DGRose
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Danielle - Alberta
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Surely he needs to listen, but perhaps he has forgotten that the Conservatives have been listening and changing bills as per opposition demdands. No, Mr. Ignatieff, not one Canadian voted for you. It would be wise to respect the governement in power a little bit.
Fred - Brandon MB
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Laurel
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CC-western Canada
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1. 55% of the people DID NOT vote for a coalition. There are many many many Liberals and NDP that do not agree with this coaltion.
2. Harper dense? He is widely considered one of the smartest politicians in decades...by all political stripes.
3. If the Queen didn't intervene we would not have a Parlimentary system. Which in turn would make Canada a Republic (the obvious way to go). If that were to happen then we would have a President, and your little coalition wouldn't exist AT ALL.
Iggy, is doing the right thing and sitting down with Harper. I will respect any leader that doesn't oppose EVERYTHING just because it's Harper. Oppose because it's the right thing to do...not because you want to grandstand. I hope these two men can sit and work together. In truth...neither of these men want a coalition. I also find it hard and am skeptical that any Liberal leader is more concerned about the public than the power.
sharon in ontario
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Lloyd Rowat
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The support that the Conservatives garnered represents less then 1/4 of electorate, the other parties support was marginal.
I think all parties should take this as a clear message. Canadians are not inspired by any of them. The parties must work together, in this time of economic uncertainty, not as coalition of one or two parties, but as a coalation of Canadians. The leaders of the parties have an opportunity to engrave thier names in history and restore Canadian's faith in their leaders. Work together on the foundation set forth in the Constitution, an instrument of democracy we proudly defend with the lifes of our brave. Remember...Peace, order and good government.
David Ottawa
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Mr Canadian we are not in China!!!
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I am not a separatist but I respect the choice of any canadain that is paying taxes to the Federal government.
We have a democracy in Canada. Why don't you try to act that way? What needs to be done is work as Canadian including all citizens not english Canada against Quebec.
You are not better than the separatists in my view, both wrong for Canada!
Just curious
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On another front, I wonder what the Liberals and the NDP would be proposing if the Alberta and Saskatchewan oilsands deposits sat in Ontario and Quebec. Would we be hearing the same tune? I really don't see either Party pushing a carbon tax or a complete oilsand mining shut down if the deposits existed in those two Provinces.
Lastly, with their Green platforms, are the NDP and the Liberals not contradicting themselves when they insist on bailout money for the auto and forsestry business? Don't our automakers pump out products that, in their current form, hurt the environment and don't we clear cut the very trees that help clean our atmosphere?
Just curious.
Jeff from Ottawa
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Nancy - BC
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Work together!!
Richard L. Provencher
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GHW
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- The people did overwhelmingly vote for Harper and his team relative to the other parties running. If the coalition ran for government as a coalition, it would not receive the kind of support they claim they have.
- If Ignatieff rejects the budget the GG has two choices, let the coalition run government or call an election. I believe she’d call an election.
- If the coalition is allowed to run government the electorate will be most displeased with the Liberal Party in the next election and there would be a good chance the Liberals will be running against someone more popular than Harper.
- If the GG calls for another election and if Ignatieff puts up a big stink about leading the country with this unpopular coalition I believe the Liberal Party will not do any better. If he separates himself from this coalition early on then his chances are much better.
- If Ignatieff supports the budget and gives Harper another year to run government while offering a sound intelligent opposition he would stand a pretty good chance of coming out on top in the next election approximately one year from now. Harper will have presided over one year of economic down turn combined with his unpopularity in the east.
So my advice to Ignatieff and Liberals in general is patience. If you push too hard too quickly you’ll regret it in the long run.
Respectfully yours,
An Independent Voter
J.C.
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Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
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Colin
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Big Bear
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Long live the minority government!
Scott in Halifax
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As for the Governor General and The Queen, well I can tell you that they just saved not only the day, but a crap load of taxpayers dollars so we don’t have another foolish election only months after the last one. A level head was what was needed, because the heads of the so called coalition had theirs where the sun doesn’t shine.
I think Canada we do better with Mr. Ignatieff at the helm of the Liberal party, as he has already stated that he wants to work with Prime Minister Harper – something that was beyond the scope and comprehension of the other boobs.
Ken, one more time so you get the message:
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Canadians elected a Parliament.
Parliament, not Harper, gets to decide who runs the country.
If Harper does not enjoy the confidence of the majority of the Members of Parliament in the House of Commons, his government falls.
No, that's not some illegal conspiracy. That is how Canada's system of government works.
Canadians did not
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Let's round up to 40%.
The Conservatives got about 24% of the possible vote, then.
Vic from Whitby
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Mitch
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Jo
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Stan
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Dave in Victoria
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Scott in Halifax
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As for the Governor General and The Queen, well I can tell you that they just saved not only the day, but a crap load of taxpayers dollars so we don’t have another foolish election only months after the last one. A level head was what was needed, because the heads of the so called coalition had theirs where the sun doesn’t shine.
I think Canada we do better with Mr. Ignatieff at the helm of the Liberal party, as he has already stated that he wants to work with Prime Minister Harper – something that was beyond the scope and comprehension of the other boobs.
Mel from Calgary
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Can someone as partisan as the prime minister change in such a short period of time?
Alex Laney
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Greg Mosolf
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I am just thankful that the first shot at a coalition government failed, as the U.S. Auto Industry handout seems to be in serious peril at the moment. We would have looked rather foolish if we were first out of the gate with a multi-billion dollar aid package as proposed by the opposition coalition. Billions lost if the Big 3 declare bankruptcy.
It now seems possible that oil prices will drop even further, $20/barrel is not out of the question, and the impact falling prices will have on our economy cannot be measured yet.
Is it prudent to wait for the U.S. government to move first in order to gauge our path? I believe it may be, and spending our way out of this mess seems to me to be somewhat counter intuitive.
Satement by Layton: "Layton said he didn't believe Harper and the Tories would deliver a "miracle" budget."
Does this infer that he himself or some unknown entity can deliver a "miracle" budget?
God help us - although I am reasonably certain that he doesn't have time to work on our new budget.
Greg Mosolf
Calgary
Sharon in Toronto
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Jerry
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“The tail does not wag the dog...Mr. Ignatieff
Mr. Ignatieff would do well to reflect on the fact that Canadians overwhelmingly elected Mr. Harper.”
If a coalition agreement can be forged between the Liberals and the NDP, with the help of the Bloc Quebecois to bring down the Tories, to topple the Conservatives then face the fact that Canadians did not overwhelmingly elected Mr. Harper.
And bear in mind that Quebec, Ontario and the Maritimes Provinces add up to more then 2/3 of the population of Canada and we don’t want Mr. Harper
Gerald from Belleville
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I don't trust Ignatieff, for various reasons I've stated on these boards time and again. Liberal is the only party I will NEVER vote for.
However, in these hard economic times, I think it is crucial that the Liberals and Cons each extend an olive branch to each other. As far as I'm concerned, all 4 major parties (Libs, Cons, Bloc, NDP) should sit together and draft a viable budget. Will this happen? I don't know, but I hope so. I don't want a coalition...and no one voted for a coalition, much less a coalition led by Iggy. But the opposition parties can take action without the need for a formal coalition come January if the Cons refuse to at least listen. This whole confrontation with the Cons BEFORE they issue a budget is only a power play and in the end would hurt Canada way more than the Cons ever could alone.
Colonel Count Klaus Von Stauffenburg / Valkyrie
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As a Conservative voter, this is what we pay our MP's to do; listen and introduce legislation for the public good.
Now, in regards to the issue of democracy, some comments on this blog suggest that the coalition has the right ot govern. Not so.
In Canada, we have elections which decide which party is entrusted with power. Coalitions are decidely undemocratic. If the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition had run on their "platform" in a bona fide election then...fine! BUT, they did'nt!
Now, lets all take a valium, allow our elected officials, to produce an economic budget which won't bankrupt Canadas treasury!
Michael Ignatieff, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe should realize that the taxpayers are FED-UP with excessive taxation which impoversihes the rest of us who are'nt employed by the Fed or Prov Public Services and / or Automotive & Transportation unions.
Note: warning to OC Transpo & GM, Ford & Chrysler unions:
Be thankful you still have a job. The Air traffic controllers in the US during the early 1980's were fired by President Reagan after refusing modest wage concessions regarding their generous $85000+ per year jobs for life! Reagan brought in the Military to run the air traffic control centres!
So, to re-cap, the Liberals & NDP coalition do not have the right to arbitrarily seize power, regardless of the "spin" brought forward by their self-serving supporters and voters demand better.
So...kindly deliver a budget in the New Year which addresses the electorates concerns while protecting the Federal Treasury from excessive waste!
Per Ardua Ad Astra!
Ralph Austerman
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Jimmy from ON
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Really, what choice does he have? Not listening would be shooting himself in the foot, the moment he's handed the gun. Let's hope they all grow up a little, and drop the ridiculous notion of a coalition propped up by separatists.
Tim in Cape Breton
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I can't believe you are even allowed to speak in public. Canadians did NOT overwhelmingly elect Stephen Harper! Since when does a MINORITY government mean overwhelming support? He got support form a third of the country. As for arrogance and entitlement, look in the mirror at your CONservatives who don't feel they ever have to listen to anyone and can steamroll through with whatever they want. Lesson learned chump, they're getting taken to the shed out back for a regular whupping on this one and they deserve it. Grow up and try and show common sense if possible idiot.
LHB in Montreal
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I venture to say that Mr. Ignatieff's statement about using the Coalition was to appease the Rae supporters in is Caucus. Is latter one, about dialoguing with Mr. Harper probally reflects the more level headed members of his Caucus as it was just a knee-jerk result of being afraid of loosing their political financial subbsidies, nothing to do with what is best for Canada.
Maybe Mr. Layton could take a page out of Mr. gnatieff's book, opposing for the sake of it, shows disrespect for Paliament.
In the near future we will be made to assess if the new Opposition Leader has the integrity to respect what he says. Let us hope we are entering a new ERA in politics.
As for Mr. Harper, whom I believe is the best person at this time to govern the Country, I hope this Crisis, will make you more conciliatory to the Opposition's demands.
They can't be all wrong.
Am I naive in believing there is still hope for stability in Ottawa ?????.
As for those that keep on bringing the old 2004 letter saying Harper was ready to form a coalition with the BLOC conviently leave out the FACT that he back-out because his integrity would not permit him to AGREE to their demands a la Layton and Dion for the sake of power at all cost.
Bob,Calgary,Alberta
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SteveA
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This Canadian DOES want an election. Soliders sacrificed their lives for Canada, the whole country. The Coalition Bloc must never get empowered
canuckistani
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Brian Good
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Lets Hope
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Chris Hodgson in Ontariariari-Oh!
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vance from North Bay,On
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Pen
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Chuck Napier
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John
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Randy
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Jason
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(1) 62% of Canadians voted for a party other than the Conservatives. I would hardly call that overwhelmingly.
(2) Canadians don't elect Prime Ministers or governments. We elect Members of Parliament. Canadians should stop embarrassing themselves with their ignorance of our Parliamentary system.
If the Honourable Mr. Harper (who knows full well how our Parliamentary system works) insists on governing like his party has a majority in the House of Commons, he will soon find himself on the Opposition benches.
It's nice to see the Mr. Ignatieff is willing to work with the Conservatives, but so far his message is that it depends on the Conservatives willingness to work for the good of Canadians - and to date, the Conservatives have been more focused on themselves than Canadians.
G L
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As a leader of a minority government, Mr. Harper MUST consider the recommendations of the other parties, INSTEAD of calling confidence votes.
I voted Liberal, but accept that the Conservatives won the election - and yes, it was fair! Liberal supporters need to stop whining, and Conservative supporters need to stop thinking they have "carte-blanche" on the country. It's not how it works!
nota
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We can be thankfull that episode is over.
Different song but same old story!
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The focus should be on getting involved to find solutions for the economic situation not how and when can I defeat the government.
This would be of course to try to get elected and get hin hands in the cookie jar!
Margaret Taylor
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I'm tired of hearing about "the majority of Canadians overwhelmingly voited" for the Opposition parties. According to our Parliamentary system, the Cosnervatives won the largest number of seats in the House. Period. They also won MORE seats in October 2008 than did in the previous election. Period. That means, to me, that more people supported the Conservatives than each of the other individual political parties. It's only when they form a "coalition" that they outnumber the Conservatives. That's our Parliamentary system. Get over it!
What this country needs is both of the major parties putting aside their partisan differences to work TOGETHER to help Canada weather the current global tsunami that's about to hit us big time.
Mr. Ignatieff needs to do more than just "listen" to what the Prime Minister has to say. He has to work with the Prime Minister to create a national strategy for the economy.
M. Claffey - Western Canadian
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canuckistani
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Maureen
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Dick Varley
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Calm before the Storm !!!!!
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Eric. Burlington
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declared his main goal is still to bring down the Government regardless of what is in the budget, possible by continuing with a coalition. Mr. Ignatieffe fails to understand or has conveniently forgotten, that MP's are voted into office to do the will of the people. After the coalition was formed, 62% of Canadians (the majority) voiced their preference for the present Government to stay in power and get on with the job of governing. Ignatieff is still spinning the Liberal lie that this is all about the economy. All intelligent Canadians know it's all about politicians having to get their noses out of the taxpayers trough. Carry on with you coalition, Mr. Ignatieff, it will be the Liberals downfall
Matt in New Glasgow, NS
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Funny, I don't remember seeing Mr. Harper's name on the ballot when I voted. I didn't see Mr. Dion's or Mr. Layton's name there either. I did, however, take great pleasure in voting for Elizabeth May (and AGAINST Peter MacKay). Canadians vote for MP's, NOT party leaders. And I would hardly call what Harper won "overwhelming." His party got 38% of the vote. I would use the term "overwhelming" if he had got something like 90%, but less than 40% is NOT overwhelming. Getting 38% of the vote is NOT a mandate to force failed neo-conservative policies down our throats. Wake up Mr. Harper! Your Republican idols south of the border, and the neo-cons from Australia that you plagiarized just got the boot, and before long you will suffer the same fate.
Canadians elected a Parliament, and in order to be a legitimate government, you need to have the confidence of Parliament. Harper clearly does not have this confidence, yet has suspended Parliament to save his own job. It's a shame that many hard working Canadians will have to sacrifice their jobs at the altar of the Conservative Party, when those jobs could have been saved had we passed an economic stimulus package in time. Of course, Mr. Harper doesn't care that average Canadians are losing their jobs, so long as he gets to keep his.
tom from St. Thomas
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LG in Edmonton
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I'm a Canadian and I vote Conservative not Bloc.
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1) Canadians who voted voted supported the Tories COMPARED to any other party.
CPC=37%,
LPC=26%,
NDP=17%
Conservatives have the largest support of any voter group.
Those who spin the numbers for a coalition include SEPARATIST votes which in my Canada DONT COUNT as a CANADIAN vote.
Ian, Leduc
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Alanna,Saskatchewan
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Peter Rapsey
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Peter, Haliburton
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Maybe we'll finally get the government we voted for in 2006 and again less than two months ago.
Let us hope so. If not we may find an Ignatieff led 2009 Liberal majority just what the nation needs.
Heather Branch
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Tony - Kitchener
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DoasIsay
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Nope..wait and complain.
Jan 27 will be another.."see the didn't do enough".
Follow us we have the plan...bet on it.
Zachary, Ottawa
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PM
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For his part, Harper quickly withdrew the prickly (albeit worthwhile) changes, which would have ended the whole mess... if the opposition was telling the truth, and wanted to work constructively.
I haven't seen anything different from Ignatieff as of yet... talking about bringing down an elected government, and taking the PMs office, without being elected as any sort of leader whatsoever !!
It may play well to the power-starved Liberal party, but the electorate will not be pleased.
Middle Man
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1. I understand that if you didn't vote for Harper the coalition seems like a good idea, however it took all three oposition parties to unite in order to topple the Harper miority. This means it was a pretty strong minority.
2. I would like to point out that you can have only voted for one person which means only for one party. A coaliton government is unstable at best. Do you honestly believe that the Liberal, Bloc, and NDP are going to be able to provide a stable unified government? The only reason this coalition was formed was to bring down Harper, which is completely democratic, however Harper dodged that bullet and now if any one of the other parties decides to side with Harper, the coalition dies.
The simple fact is this, the number of seats Harper had this time was more then last. Libral seats have continued to decline. During a financial crisis like we have today we need a strong majority government, and unless the new Liberal leader can prove himself worthy of the task eventually Harper will get his majority.
These consistant minorities hamper government and cost a lot of money. The goal of every governing party is going to be to govern with a majority, and there will continue to be elections until this happens.
NR
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Danny Dinosaur
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Mr. Harper is fundamentally and personally opposed to this. He does not stand for it in his own party and has an unquestioned reputation for this. He is now attempting to do with the entire political system. Until he is willing to accept our political system which has been successfully built on freedom of speech and a requirement of opposing ideas, parliament will not function.
Would the Conservatives be more content if our elected opposition members sat still and did nothing? Obviously they would be, but as a voter, I do not want to see this happen. I also do not want to see a leader who is hell bent on destroying alternative ideas to his own. History has shown those people to be extremely dangerous at their worst and stifling at their best.
Reye Leduc
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Playing mathematical semantics after the vote is sour grapes at its worst.
And I agree, the tail does not wag the dog. If you want to grab my vote, Mr. Ignatieff, follow the advice I've been given and now give to my kids: Be seen to be the person you say you want to see.
Edb
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Please send these frauds to the dustbin of history Mr PM.
The Liberal hangover has lingered in this country far too long.
Bryn
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Secondly, Canadians did NOT vote for a coalition. Had the opposition MP's declared that they were going to form a coalition with the NDP and Bloc, I guarantee that there would have been a Conservative majority elected. I challenge ANYONE to name even a single MP who campaigned on the basis of forming a coalition with socialists and separatists!
True Lider
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Harper Must Resign Immediately In the midst of an extreme economic crisis, Harper failed as a leader and deliberately created a major political and national unity crisis for his obsessive political partisan purposes, showing no leadership and consensus building skills, and no ability to rise above personal self interest. This is unforgivable and inexcusable. He failed this nation miserably, and must resign immediately.
Goldens
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John Wilson
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Peter in Edmonton
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"55% of voters elected coalition MPs."
No one voted for a coalition. European coalitions are voted for as well so don't try that one.
People that keep saying 55-60% of the country voted *against* the conservatives are just playing a juvenile game. We could easily turn that around. 80+% of Canada voted *against* the Liberals by the same logic.
Please just stop. You'll only be crying when it happens to you. Considering the Conservatives were as close to a majority as you can get this coalition presents a precedence whereby any opposition party (and many will have more MP's than the Liberals have) can offer the Bloc a deal and get a coalition based on a vote of no-confidence over the PM's socks.
There have only ever been two coalition governments in Canada. One during the war, and the very first government assembly. World wide in the entire commonwealth there has never been an example of an un-elected Coalition gaining Government from a non-confidence vote over a budget they haven't seen yet. The examples that even come close involved civil war. So please stop telling us how 'democratic' it is. Closer to the truth you just figure you've found a way to not lose an election if you don't want to. But if this coalition goes through (instead of an election) you can count on every minority govt in the future being at risk. Including "yours".
I hope Harper and Iggy can work it out.
Andrew Northmore
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That being said, I'm glad that Ignatieff is willing to sit down with Harper before the budget vote to get things straightened out because the nonsense (from ALL parties) over the last month has been quite ridiculous.
Canadians overwhelmingly elected the Conservatives
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Lissette
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Ken
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Durward
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Your party and thier spend happy tax like crazy anti-democratic ideas were soundly rejected as was the ugly coalition(Liberal shame for a generation)
Want to make nice with the public? pay back the stolen tax dollars your party still owes us,give up the taxpayer funding and start acting like a democratic party instead of an eastern block socialist backwater old boy's club.
david, Montreal
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James
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Rick in Calgary
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Jeff Winters
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Moiya in Hamilton
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keir bernard
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Ken in Yellowknife
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Oh my god ....and how have the liberals be conducting themselves for the last 30 years while in power.
Give me a break ! The canadian people elected Mr Harper and his party to run this country , give them a chance to do just that.
Jay
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MARK
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Glenn P.
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Paul
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Steve Tory
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Darlene in Halifax
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Robert White
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Robert
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Conservatives are a minority government, they can’t govern as the majority.
DB Cooper
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If you think that a coalition is undemocratic, you need to study up on democracy. Not only is it democratic, it is legal, it is legitimate, it is something that Harper wanted to try in 2004 and it has happened in Canada in the past.
People need to get their facts straight and the Conservative MPS need to stop their fear mongering ways and stop telling blatant lies to Canadians. intelligent Canadians can see right through them.
Ed, Toronto
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Imagine a budget co-presented and supported by at least the two biggest parties (ideally all parties), with full political credit - and blame - for its consequences. The Opposition should assist in running the country, not impede it.
Part of the problem or part of the solution??
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Mr. Ignatieff has an opportunity to show Canadians that all the opposition leaders are not hell bent on trying to thrust themselves into power against the will of the people who just defeated them.
The tail does not wag the dog...Mr. Ignatieff
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The tail does not wag the dog and the Liberal party needs to learn that lesson if they are to go anywhere with the electorate.
LPC insiders continue to complain about the level of ongoing arrogance and entitlement. We the electorate see it also.