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Date: Tue. Oct. 7 2008 8:00 PM ET

The Toronto Stock Exchange and the Dow Jones continued their decline on Tuesday, posting triple-digit losses after the closing bell rang. Talk of interest rate cuts intensified as the losses piled up.

Despite an early morning upswing of 250 points, the S&P/TSX composite index finished at a loss of 400.88 points to sit at 9,829.55.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average opened with a modest 71.68 point increase, but at the end of the day was down 508.39 points to 9,447.11.

The Nasdaq also rose by 15.59 points in early-morning trading, before finishing down 108.08 points to sit at 1,754.88. The S&P 500 fell 60.62 points and stands at 996.27.

It's the second week of heavy losses in the markets due to the global credit crisis. Economists are now warning that Canada is headed for one of the toughest economic periods in recent memory, as job losses climb and energy prices tumble.

In an effort to calm the markets, the U.S. Federal Reserve announced that it plans to buy short-term debt so companies can finance daily operations.

The move means the Federal Reserve will act as a source of credit for businesses outside the financial sector that can't raise funds during a credit squeeze.

While the initiative will help small businesses and should restore some balance to the market, one financial analyst said, government should not have to insert itself into the credit market.

"This is not ideal by any stretch," analyst Theo Caldwell told CTV Newsnet. "Yes, this is what should be done but this is not the way markets and economies ought to work."

Interest rate cuts expected

Although governments around the globe have tried to bail out their financial sectors to get banks lending again, there are still nervous investors and consumers who wonder whether that will be enough to revive world markets from an economic slump.

BNN's Michael Hainsworth said U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's speech on Tuesday hinted that interest rates may need to be cut before the formal decision scheduled for later this month.

"If plan A didn't seem to work and plan B didn't seem to work, plan C seems like a last ditch effort as far as the street is concerned," Hainsworth told CTV Newsnet. "That's ultimately why we saw the sell-off that we did."

Analysts speculate that the Bank of Canada, the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England and other central banks will cut interest rates in a further attempt to keep credit flowing.

Don Drummond, the Chief Economist at TD Bank, told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Tuesday that Bernanke's speech may signal a change in Canada.

"(Bernanke) said he is going back to cutting interest rates (and) I expect at their next meeting they will cut fifty basis points.

"We saw Australia cut one-hundred basis points; it's a shocking move to everybody," Drummond said. "I think the next wave is a worldwide round of rate cuts and the Bank of Canada will probably join on that."

The Canadian dollar also slid lower on Tuesday, dropping 0.67 cents, to stand at 90.31 cents US. This latest loss caps a three cent loss against the American dollar since the beginning of the month.

With files from The Canadian Press  

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Open your eyes
said

We need good management. And Stephen is definitely not the person who can provide it. In 93 the Liberal governmeet inherited a 42 BILLION dollar deficit from Mulroney Conservative party! In just 4 years the Liberals eliminated that deficit and produced 8 consecutive years of balanced budget. In 96 they left a surplus of 12 BILLION dollars which Stephen Harper had fully spent within only 2 1/2 years! In the first 2 quarters on 2008 the Conservative ran a deficit. Now the whole world is looking at the financial crisis and taking action. Our smart economist Stephen preferred to put the Conservative pink glasses and tell us everything will be fine with them. Look at the past records, who is the best economical manager?

If you really want to be sorry and suffer the most from the difficult times awaiting us, vote for Stephen Harper! Smart people will make a much better choice!


Brent - NB
said

Now we know for certain why we are having a fall election. He almost got away with it.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

By picking apart each trading day, we're just running around with our heads cut off and failing to grasp the bigger picture...which is unfolding, and can't be determined on an hourly basis.

The Media's thirst for drama is just adding to the anxiety on Main Street.

At this uncertain juncture, one thing is for certain: we've ridden through recessions before, and we'll survive this "crisis." Just because there are global ramifications, doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.

These coming months will round out the limited education, experience, and wisdom of the "younger" crowd who have only known a boom time. You'll garner a greater appreciation for political and economic functions, as they relate to capitalism.


CN
said

There is only one thing that scares me right now and that is when Mr. Harper says our economy is as strong as ever and we have nothing to worry about here in Canada, and that we should stay the course. Even though our economy is not as American dependant as it was 30 years ago, I still feel that Canada will be heading into our greatest recession since the great depression of the 30's. People, this one is going to hurt. There has never been such a high level of consumer debt as there is now. In the past 6 years houses in some markets have more than doubled. Most people have used that equity to purchase lavish vehicles that they don't need, to pad their credit cards even more with nonsense purchases and some have even made the mistake of expanding their already larger than life homes with that equity. In two years time all of these people will know what it feels like when that economic 'bear' comes to bring it's fury upon them. YOu will see people leaving from these lavish homes in droves and banks will be left hanging onto the key :(

I urge everyone to brace for this one as it will hurt big time.


Murray W.
said

No politian can correct the markets, no matter what he or she does.


Jorja
said

Lew, I hope you're talking about the high rollers in the stock market, and not everyone, otherwise that is a pretty self-righteous, and ignorant statement. Lots of ordinary people have a stake in the stock market, through pensions, RRSPs, education funds, etc, and were investing because of advice from "experts". This problem is global, and is going to affect everyone to some degree. Your employer may not use credit, but maybe someone he does business with does, and it is a ripple effect. Many "hardworking" people have lost their houses, or won't be able to renew their mortgage through no fault of their own. Some retired people who worked hard all their lives, and hoped to enjoy a little R&R when they got older have lost money because of the stockmarket downturn, again through no fault of their own after expert advice. Having said that, many posts here are right, don't panic, you haven't lost money til you sell. It will go up again, but it will take time, and people need to be calm. For anyone who has lost income they need now, you have my deepest sympathy.


Lorne
said

There is no country called America so how can there be an American dollar?!!!!!


KittyKatt
said

Does anyone find it odd that the markets are crashing during an election in both countries.....could it have not been "fixed" like everything else....thank god I am waiting to buy a house, watch the interest rates there going up


Jim-Surrey
said

With two major elections and yes some bad money handling south of the border the markets are going to bounce down and up and down and up and then settle once the two elections are concluded.
This always happens at election time but it is being overplayed by analysts trying to justify their high salaries and put the fear of god into us with money worries.
I believe things will level out in Canada anyway and as that is where I live that is all I am concerned with!!!!!!!!!!!


Edd
said

Why is it that when we have any type of economical or market problem, the suggested solution is to cut interest rates. The people supplying the money at these new lower interest rates are Seniors. Do we always have to penalize them for our problems. I guess it's easier to penalize them than take care of our own problems.


Kenny in Calgary
said

Im with Harper, Freaking out is not the answer. As for the other parties, I think trying to introduce a new tax or a way to go green is a good idea when encomy is good, not w2hen the whole world is heading into the big R.
X Harper


Garry in NS
said

It was mentioned several years ago that the stock markets were inflated and that a drastic decline in stock value was inevitable. Well, it happened! Furthermore, anyone blaming governments for this mess is naive. Governments cannot stop the inevitable. It has already been tried in Europe and the US. We live in a world economy. Our government - regardless of what party is in power - cannot control the stock market. Moreover, this problem has been years in the making. Don't be foolish enough to expect any government to find a solution over night. It will take time.


Better think again.
said

I think Liberal supporters really need to seriously give their head a shake.

Not trying to be rude but do you guys really understand what you are supporting by increasing taxes at this time the way Dion wants to do?

It will literally crush our economy. Capital markets will never accept that here.
You will doom your investments for years.

They tried that carbon tax in Europe and it hurt their economies and that was BEFORE this financial setback.

I think some of you folks really need to take some serious second sober thought before you support the Liberal agenda.




Glorieux
said

My suggestion to whoever is in power, CUT THE GST COMPLETLY, ZERO GST FOR A PERIOD OF 1 YEAR. This will keep the canadians with money spending and our economy going in these times. The worst thing to do would be for everyone to stop spending in times like these. Good luck to all


LG
said

For interests' sake (pun intended) to those who comment that stockmarket investors are gambling, be aware that GIC holders, savings account holders and those who stuff it in their mattresses are also gambling, simply a different set of odds. Do you really think the paltry interest you gain from those investments really outpaces the increased cost of living?


HARPER, DO SOMETHING
said

Besides running up bills.


pensioner in Ontario
said

OMG the Sky is falling. i am so afraid. I cant take anymore losses on my retirement savings. And today Mr Layton mentioned a depression. I am so afraid how will I live my savings was all I had and now that is gone. And Mr Dion is now saying we are going to have the same problems here that are in the USA. I may loose my house too??? I am so afraid.




joe ongena
said

whoever started this sub-prime crap in the first place should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Some Americans made their money & made this mess.

talk about war crimes


Kojak
said

anyone wanna come over for dinner tonight at my place? Kraft Dinner and hot dogs!!

hahahahaha


George ON
said

Wow, a lot of people who lost money when the Conservatives announced they were going to start taxing income trusts ($45 billion of accumulated wealth disappeared just like that ....), even though they promised they wouldn't.

That was an act of deliberate wealth destruction.

Now, those same investors who got clobbered in the income trust massacre and who took a second chance by putting what they had left into dividend blue chip financial stocks, articially inflating the market capitalization of that sector during the dumping of the income trusts and the rush into financials .... they just got screwed again!!

What was the lesson learned?


Paul West Coast
said

Harper has been in denial for so long; world economists and leaders as well as Canadian bankers have been telling Harper a recession is upon us - all the indicators are there, we're in it now. Harper still pretended all was well even as Canadians lost their jobs and loss of income. Now their savings and investments are at grave risk.

Harper had no economic plan, no platform to bring to the 2 leaders' debates despite insisting the networks give him more time in the debate to discuss the economy. All he had to offer was a statement, "Dion is panicking." Well it appears Harper is now the one "panicking" as the polls are suggesting Canadians have no faith in Harper's do-nothing philosopy.

Harper saying to Canadians all Dion has to offer is tax increases is untrue at best. Dion is proposing massive income tax cuts and a revenue neutral pollution tax. Canadians can claim credits for moving to clean technologies and make money as a result, as well as a cleaner, healthier planet for our kids.


A European in Vancouver
said

Dear Canada
Your innocence - naiveté, even - where this story is concerned is charming. If you think you are going to escape major financial upheaval (= recession) because somehow your banks are not as greedy as those in the US, think again. I can't believe the lack of coverage on an issue which is already tearing Europe apart. Your politicians owe you an explanation of why a single economy cannot be exempt from the imminent meltdown, and your media owe you an apology for not bothering to inform you.


Bernard Romanycia
said

Who's got all the money? I wonder if the world is about to go through a financial revolution?


5th Generation Canadian
said

Kowai:
"Take the little woman out to dinner?" Good grief.




A Winnipeg
said

I'm not an economist nor have any great knowledge about financial workings but what I believe is that for Canada to avoid having a financial crisis like the US, and for other countries as well, is to re-work the global financial network away from the US. As of now, the US market and dollar has been the international trading platform because they were once the largest and strongest economy. So when the global economic base (ie. US economy) crumbles, so does all the other financial markets that are built upon it or linked to it.

If we can find a way to isolate the US market, re-wire the world's global economies such that we have another, more dependable base to work from, then I believe the world's economy may stabilize. If this re-wiring is even possible and how it's to be done is way beyond my knowledge but hopefully there is a way and it will be done soon.


Val
said

Rick
ATTENTION, ATTENTION

Let see:

Liberals - 50+ billion in election promises.

NPD - 50+ billion in election promises.

Conservises - 6 billion in election promises.

I know who I'm voting for.


problem here is the conservatives started giving money away before the election. Rick people like you give loaded guns to fools. Give Harper a majority and watch you a**




James
said

So Bush wants G7 leaders to put their heads together to try and fix this problem that he had such a hand in creating. What a laugh! I really thought that Bush's approval rating could not get any worse. It can! Here is a man who made all the wrong decisions in office or did nothing while the stock market went out of control. Will this president be called to account in the Senate for his actions and inactions? How can the American people possibly allow this idiot to simply leave office without having to answer for all of his errors that have driven the American economy into the ground, driven a stake through the American spirit and a wedge between the American people!
I knew he was an idiot Sept 11/01 when he sat in that small chair in front of students for many minutes while planes crashed all around with a dumbass look on his face. HHe explained later that he stayed there because he did not want to upset the children. In truth, he stayed there with that dumbass look on his face because he was a deer caught in the headlights. He was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time. Still is and always will be.


Mike
said

To the Bank of Canada:

CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!

Thanks.


Jason Daniel Baker
said

What is protecting us in Canada and what will continue to protect is our Banking Act which is more comprehensive than almost any other country's. Even if governments here wanted to dismantle it, that would be difficult.

That is why investors here and elsewhere will start to buy Canadian and our financial sector will become an oasis of calm in a sea of turbulence.

Canadians can rest assured about that unless they happen to be living abroad. I fear what might happen to those Canadians who have staked their savings in foreign banks.

I fear most of all for those Canadians living in the United States. The turmoil must be very unsettling and surreal. I believe that that they and those they care about should come back to Canada to ride this thing out.


Tazzy
said

No jobs are insulated in time of "crisis" Lew. I don't own any stocks, but I for one am not overjoyed that stock market is getting hit so hard here. Please be compassionate for the people who have lost and are going to loose


KC
said

I saw my stock plunge 50% but lucky for me I sold the bulk of it in March. What stock I have left is negligible...just when I think I'm going to jump back in I find new revelations about our market & that would include Presidential Candidate McCains involvement in a banking scandal 20 years ago - now he wants to be president. It's frightening - that, and the fact that our own PM thinks everything is great & we are bullet proof. I mean, what's the matter with that man? He sounds like Bush when he said the "fundamentals are strong"...Bush's economy has no fundamentals & therefore our own is exposed...gee, I knew that without a commerce degree - who'd have thunk it?


nc in alberta
said

I think some people who are in the markets fail to understand that they are in essence gambling.

The biggest difference is that you win or lose over a longer period of time than if you were betting on a single race between horses or dogs or buying lottery tickets on a single draw.

When buying stocks you are trying to pick winners just as surely as any other gambling activity and it is wrong to assume that there is no risk.

I never gamble money that I can't afford to lose on a hand of blackjack and no one should have more money invested in non-guaranteed investements than they can afford to lose.

This philosophy has seen me balance my very modest investments between guaranteed and non- guaranteed interest bearing products and so far, I'm OK.

The first thing I did when deciding on a risky investment product that had the potential to bear huge gains was to assume I would never see that money again or that I would have to wait a long time for it to return any profit. Only when I knew I could live with that reality did I invest.

I'm not a rich person, so when I talk about investing I'm talking about my very life. I don't have unlimited resources and I have to understand that I am responsible for deciding how I should use them.

Understand the stock market can be manipulated both legally and illegally and that you bear that risk.

In the case of losses if there is proven malfesence by the company or CEO's as in Worldcom, Enron and other situations then the government should step in, prosecute the criminals who got rich in the scam and recover what they can of the investor's money.




Rosie
said

Yep,be positive and look on the bright side of things.There are two positive things mentioned in this article.One the dollar is lower against the american dollar so it should help our manufacturing sector and two ,interest rates may drop.for those in an open mortgage,a chance to save some money.I'll be putting any savings down on my principal,saving even more in the longrun.for those who have lost ther jobs because of the downturn or outsourcing etc.,there are no easy answers and the future looks uncertain and scary.My advice to you is to try any job,prove your worth,leave that job if there is no sign of improving your position,then keep trying til you find a job that you can advance.This is what I have done without post secondary and with a big mortgage.There are jobs out there,just don't be afraid to get your hands dirty.No one is going to hand you a high paying job these days.


Rick
said

ATTENTION, ATTENTION

Let see:

Liberals - 50+ billion in election promises.

NPD - 50+ billion in election promises.

Conservises - 6 billion in election promises.

I know who I'm voting for.


Richard
said

It is good that the Canadian dollar is lowering.




SK Prairie Boy
said

It's interesting that something caused by the Democratic-controlled Congress is being blamed on the Repubicans...


Dustin Quinlan
said

Hey, I invest in the TSX as a retail investor along with a number of other honest folks who have been hit hard during this crisis. Imagine all the baby-boomers who's retirement dreams have been crushed, it's horrible. Don't think your insulated from this, either. The stock market crash is the tip of the iceberg, economic collapse will trickle down to all fields, even you. We will all be affected, recession is an understatement.


Laurie in Calgary
said

The rich are indeed playing. 5% of the world owns 90% of the market. Anything WE do will not change the market as significantly as the rich. They are shorting to make more money, and will buy back in to make even more. Just stay calm and go along for the ride.


Doug, Thornton.
said

The present fluctuations prove how poor a model for investment the current markets are. In just a few years it rose nearly 50% now its dropped back to those levels. It's still the same group of people in the world, companies have not changed that much, our material property and wealth still exists.

I don't know what trhe answer is but a market stability is important for everybody. Perhaps this is what governments should be striving for.


BB in B.C.
said

If I heard him correctly Dion has said his first 30 day plan would be to strip away the rules and make it easier to withdraw your money from your pension plan and investments. He's telling you to cut and run faster from the down turning market. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Run! We Liberals are telling you to RUN!!! Now in all fairness that might not be exactly what he said because I still miss about every 3rd word he says. Jack....please swallow the Liberal party and make our choice easier.


Linda in Vancouver
said

No one looks forward to economic slowdowns.But those who took the time to read the whole article will already know that Canada had a better situation than most countries.Thanks to lower debt and budget surpluses.
We ALL need to reconize "An Inconvenient Truth".There is likely going to be a world wide economic slowdown.
Be VERY SUSPICIOUS of politicians who make very expensive spending and taxing promises as a bribe ofr your vote.LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.All of our economic futures depend on us makeing a prudent decision.


Raquel Daponte
said

What I think is so troubling about our society is that there is no lack of interest when it comes to monetary losses but tell society their Honey Bee population is disappearing and no one seems to care. I wonder how we will manage when the money is gone and so too are our natural food sources because there are no Honey Bees left to pollenate the majority of the food we eat. Hopefully the dollar has nutritional value equivalent to the food we won't have to worry about buying.


Pip
said

Let the panic continue so I can buy low and sell high. Some stocks have been gradually dropping in price for several months; a further drop will make tham an attractive but, to hold until they reach their value of last April; then i can sell and make that profit - again.


GP
said

All those that feel the sky is falling, please just take a deep breath.

What you are seeing now is the pure manipulation of the markets so the fund managers and high level speculators can fleece the skittish as they bail.

The markets are corrupt, we should have all gone into it knowing that. The end of that era of pure greed is hopefully coming to an end and regulation and oversight will take over.

Until that happens enjoy the death throws of the manipulators and uber-greedy but DO NOT react...ride this out. Then when it’s settled down fire your investment bank/manager and get into something sustainable until the regulations are established…remember until regulation and oversight is put in place this is just going to happened again, and again, and again...all at your expense.


Raquel
said

What I think is so troubling about this whole situation is that when there is trouble where finances are concerned everyone pays attention. Has anyone really stopped to think about what will become of us now that the Honey Bees are disappearing. Losing money is one thing but what will we do when there are no bees left to pollenate our food sources. Hope that money everyone is so worried about has the same nutrional value when ingested that your natural food sources contain. If not, the stock market crash is the least of our worries.


Scott
said

@Anne
I fully agree, it is unbelievable that TD, and other Canadian Banks will raise mortgage rates one (1) full percentage point. With the housing/credit crisis ongoing, these fools are actually going to try and bleed the current mortgage holders for more money, to cover the banks mistakes, therefore as I see it, damaging housing markets even further. I guess it's sort of their own bailout plan. Canadian government wisely won't give them money, so they'll punish all current and future customers.
It goes to show, big banks just push any costs on to the little guy, just like the oil business would do if we placed a heavier tax on them. Short of nationalizing banks and oil companies like Hugo Chavez,(I'm sure majority don't want this kind of socialist rule) I don't really think anyone has the answer. Best answer is to not give them any business like you said. Don't get a new mortgage, cut up the credit cards etc.


Jimbo
said

Don't worry be happy?
Good advice for someone that doesn't mind losing 10 years of gains in a month. Sure it will come back, but when? We are in uncharted waters folks. Even if we can somehow solve this credit crisis, we are still faced with a world recession. Risk of loss is far greater than chance of gain. For those that don't care, don't worry be happy.


Gail, Halifax
said

This is totally ridiculous. People need to stop, calm down and take a few deep breaths. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has lost any money unless you have SOLD. It is not a real loss unless you make it one by buying into this media-fuelled panic and start selling or moving investments. Leave them alone and they WILL be fine. Panic-selling is not helping you.


Doug BC
said

A world wide recession will,if it's long enough and deep enough,have an impact on everyone."Lew Rockwell" may be well off.THat's good news for when the tax man goes looking for more revenue to fund the poor in Canada as they struggle to provide foot,light ad heat for their families.He is right that some commodity prices will be lower.But that's of little comfort if you don't have a job,or are a senior whose pension has been cut.ANd those lower prices are almost surely going to be followed by very high rates of inflation.If you have no money in the stock market as it rises again,the puny interest rates paid on CD's and GIC's and the like will be nothing as the "real" value ofpaper currency falls off the table.
In Canada,we are fortunate to have on of the most stable banking systems in the world.Very conservative by most measures.THat is not a guarantee that they will be uaffected.Nor can ANY party in Ottawa insulate Canada from a global economic slowdown.We are a nation whose wealth depends on exports.When prices for those exports decline,and commodity prices along with them,our economy slows as well.NO one here can stop that.Our economy is far to small to influence global events.
I would say this.I really believe,by the time this is over,it will be painfully obvious to everyoe,just how damgerous it is to carry to much debt.
Canada is doing the right thing by paying down the national debt as much,and as quickly as possible.As tough times come,we should ALL hope it was enough to mitigate the looming storm's damage here.


RobO
said

You every wonder why, when the market goes south, the banks say the world is ending! Could it be that they see there BIG FAT BONUSES disappearing. Lets be real here, we are on a cycle and crap will happen. If you are smart and don't over extend youself, you will be fine.

Just be smart and don't let the doomsayers run the show.




Michael - Ottawa South
said

Need some advice:

1) Don't panic
2) This is a recsssion and it will pass
3) Canada won't have the same downturn as the US housing market has had for numerous reasons
4) Whether you remortgage or not you are liable for the debt so why go in debt at a time when the debt service (interest) is going up.

What I might suggest is take "some out" and use it to invest in the market as we come out of this mess because the gains will be HUGE as we emerge from this nonsense.

....Advice from a former financial planner and investment consultant.

In general though, stay calm. Much of this gets exagerated in the media. It is serious but they are working globally to deal with it and they will.

This is not time for panic.
Cool heads prosper in times like this.




Martinas
said

John C and Weiss misinterpret Lew's comments. Lew is one of us young folks who is sick of hearing from their elders, "Don't rent, you don't get equity..." or "Why don't you invest in stocks? You won't make enough for retirement just on working alone!!"... Well turns out, all that logic was a complete GAMBLE. That's right, just like houseflipping, YOU chose to undertake a risky action for your own gain and we all knew it could result in hardship. Now that it has, don't you dare try to scare the smart folks into believing that your problems are their's too... Don't even mention Canada Pension Plan as a stock since that was ALWAYS bound to lose. Young people know there will be no pension for them in the future due to the boomers... That's a stock we invest in without a choice.


JessbabyBrighton
said

Dear Mike; Yes the rich are playing. Doesn't mean they will for surely dominate



JessbabyBrighton
said

Dear Mike; Yes the rich are playing. Doesn't mean they will for surely dominate



Doug
said

Stephane Dion will confront this economic downturn with two new taxes. A carbon tax will tax everything that moves; a rise in the GST will tax everbody who buys anything. Jack Layton will add fifty billion more taxes to the present business climate. The Prime Minister will maintain lower taxes, control government spending, and has already atrengtened lending and investment regulations in anticipation of todays economic problems. Guess who is right for these times in Canada.


Don in Calgary
said

Playing the stock market is like gambling. As a person who's made money playing poker, there is only one rule:You pay your money and take your chances. I once thought I would try the stock market andinvested in a company recommended by a reputable broker, reviewed the companies asset to debt ratio, which was excellent, only to see the company disappear. I could not figure out what happened to the assets, the TSX investigators did nothing. Again you pay your money, take your chances and don't expect daddy (Feds) to bail you out.


not all motivated by greed Ottawa
said

interesting comments. I agree with what I am seeing that almost no one is immune regarding what has happened to the market. Anyone who has rrsps has probably lost at least some money some more than others depending how risky the funds were. Anyone who has set up an RESP for their kids (and most savvy parents who could afford it, have, since the govt was topping up the contributions), that is not gambling, it is investing hoping something would make at least a bit of money. We didnt have our daughter's fund in anything risky and it has still lost some money but not tons. (Our reasoning at the time was why put 15k in a savings account and then have the interest on it taxed by the govt? An resp made more sense to sock it away. It is true, no one has technically lost money if you just leave it there, it will bounce back. I do think there is greed with certain players in the market though, but not everyone is really motivated by greed, it just makes sense to invest in rrsps etc for retirement. I feel sad for those who have to live off of their investments on stocks, I know someone in that position, a semi retired teacher. She has probably lost lots of money that she needs to live on and she does not own real estate.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Notable in this article, not only for the folks who've lost their head and think the world is coming to end, but also for the left-wing ranters who think conservative economic policy is somehow foolhardy...

The Deputy Chief Economist at Scotiabank believes that TAX CUTS will continue to foster positive activity, that we have "really wonderful" fundamentals, and that Canada will be able to weather the storm "better than most" countries.

Confidence, of every type and degree, is vitally important when markets are turbulent. Stubborn negativity creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of economic doom and gloom. Come on, people. Take a breath. Think positive. Act positive. Be positive.

Quit striving for reasons to be fearful and panicked, just for the sake of making partisan condemnations. You're not doing ANYONE a service.



island girl
said

Up, down, up, down. I think thet are reporting each time a syock actually changes hands. This is why day traders tend to lose money. Make wise investments for the long term. If you keep looking every 10 minutes you'll go crazy.


Anne
said

Never mind the stock market...did any of you read the papaers that TD is raising mortgage rates because they are not retaining enough of their profits as a result of their credit exposure? That should tack on a few years to your mortgage plus check your pension plans including CPP....these financial scrums (as Lew describes them) are investing your pensions in the market. Everyone is impacted by the economic position that Canada is in so listen up: read and understand the basics of economics, recognize that we do not both sides of a story through the media or from our politicians, vote very carefully this election, start saving and stop the excessive spending and cut up your many credit cards. We are all in this together but we need a government who will govern in a way that will meet the needs of the majority of the Canadians most of the time.


Patrick
said

If the press...and I mean ALL the press, particularly the six o'clock news programs, would just shut up, and stop causing a panic, then this thing would have never come to life. There is no need to panic. If the market is low, John Q. Investor hasn't lost a dime, unless he believes the media panic, and sells.


Need some free advice
said

What should i do? I own a house in Toronto and am thinking of accessing the equity in my home (thereby increasing my mortgage BUT grabbing that money before the looming real estate downturn hits) Question, should i access it or leave it and potentially lose that money?


Vahan
said

As stated the sun will rise again and set again. It is sad that some people are so seriously affected by the market ups and downs. So sad that a father took the life of his family and killed himself, so sad that an elderly woman tried to kill herself when she was to be evicted. The greed is tremendous, but we have to remember that our time here is limited and these insignificant issues should not be taken seriously. Slow and steady. As I mentioned yesterday, Christmas is around the corner, and good times will be had by all.


Michael - Ottawa South
said

Those who say they don't own any stocks need to rethink that. If you are in a pension plan chances are you own stocks through that pension plan.

With a recession threatening we need prudent management of our economy becaise it will be reflected in the markets.

If the Liberals or NDP gain power we can kiss the market goodbye because their proposed enormous tax increases will cause corporation to cut jobs and profits and force down the general economy. That's not spin, that's just the way it will be.

Harper saw this a year ago and already built in tax reductions which are helping keep our econiomy going better than all in the G7 nations. That's what he has been saying to Canadians but they havent got it yet.

He also made sure the banks didnt engage in the subprime nonsense by sending Flarety to speak to them.

Harper is a smart guy and obviously a good manager of the economy. We really are better off with him running the show in my opinion.

I have a lot at stake in the market and am down HUGELY and Harper is the one I will trust to help guide the economy to make the best of a lousy situation.




Mike
said

No point getting excited. The US markets are already down this morning, and the last time I checked the TSX was now at +78. The rich are playing.


JessbabyBrighton
said

Hmmmm..

Dear Lew; That's quite the lead you've got there.. interesting.

Dear Weiss and Kowai I am in complete agreement with the both of you.

There is absolutely no need to be so negative about things that are not even officially decided yet.

Noting stands still, is will always change. Remember that.


JessbabyBrighton
said

Hmmmm..

Dear Lew; That's quite the lead you've got there.. interesting.

Dear Weiss and Kowai I am in complete agreement with the both of you.

There is absolutely no need to be so negative about things that are not even officially decided yet.

Noting stands still, is will always change. Remember that.


Scott
said

Up 300 now, down -1500 later. Just some day traders playing. TSX 5000 and DOW 5000 coming soon, to an exchange near you!


Greg in the Hammer
said

For any of you that own stock: YOU HAVEN'T LOST ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T SELL. In fact this is the perfect time to buy more. Stock investing is NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME.

Historically the stock market has not lost money over any 10 year period.

Watch the pros. Warren Buffet, Mike Chin.

BUY, HOLD AND PROSPER.

...

brenda
said

I feel sorry for people who "play" the stock market and depend on that for their kids college tuition. That's gambling. I wouldn't go to the casino to try to win my kids tuition, why would anyone want to play that game in the stock market?


John C
said

Lew,

Stock market scum? Ordinary people own stocks or mutual funds, and retirees who are by no means wealthy rely on them for income.

If you're in a pension plan, you also own stocks indirectly.

In fact, the CPP includes stocks as part of its investment portfolio so ALL working Canadians are impacted one way or another.


Albertt in Toronto
said

Hi Weiss,

Just a clarification, but I don't think Lew meant ALL people who own stocks. Clearly, he's directing that comment at the market elites who manipulated and corrupted and bankrupted the financial system over the last several years.

Unfortunately, working people's money is involved and that has evaporated... into the elite's pockets.

But like someone else said here. We'll pull through. After some time and market corrections.


Panic selling = Panic profits for manipulators
said

This is classic "shake the trees".

Hedge fund operators and invetment bankers in Canada do this all the time.

They generate losses by shorting the market then the next day drive it back up then short it again etc while the "nervous nellies" sell off providing them with their gains.

It will stop when the retail crowd stops reacting to their games and the news.

What goes down will come back up. Be patient it will take many months BUT it will come back. Relax folks stop the panic they depend on that for their profits.




Mike S
said

Life is priceless. Yes we need money to survive but no one can put a price on ourselves. The best thing to do for everyone to do (including myself) is to live and let live.


Al
said

Hey Lew, what if your employer loses his customers?
Nobody is completely insulated from this and don't think for a minute that you haven't been taking advantage of the same system that created this in the first place.


Weiss
said

Lew, I'm a worker. I buy Canadian to protect Canadian jobs. I'm not greedy, and I don't misuse credit. But I do own stocks, and have lost money.

Congratulations on your decision to avoid the stock market, you won't feel the same cruch as those who do.

But don't label everyone who owns stocks as part of the greedy elite. Many hardworking Canadian families are affected by this downturn, many parents saving for their children's education and many seniors who live on their investment income. I don't understand how you can call their suffering "karma."


kowai
said

Thank you!


Kowai
said

The media threw gas on the fire in the US of A and made it worse and they are now doing the same here in Canada!!!!

The countries of the world are pulling together trying to pull the world out of this mess!!!

We can all help!!!

Turn your TV OFF!!!

Leave your Paper on the front porch!!!

Put a Game in your computer!!!

And stop listening to all this, “The Sky is falling” talk!!!

Take the little women out to dinner!!!

Buy the kids a new outfit for Halloween!!!

The world will be fine!!!

It’s just going to take time!!!

Mankind has made it through much worse!!!

Kowai



Lew Rockwell
said

Really, I don't own any stocks. My job is also quite insulated from this "crisis" because my employer does not use credit to acquire stock. I for one am quite overjoyed that stock market scum are getting hit so hard here. It's been too long that we've had to live under their shady business practices, this is karma I suppose. Their hardship translates to affordable gas for the workers; the people who ACTUALLY work to hold this society together, not destroy it or contract it out to Asia.


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