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Liberal Leader Stephane Dion speaks to members of the Canadian Club and Empire Club of Canada in Toronto on Wednesday, Oct.8, 2008. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Wed. Oct. 8 2008 5:27 PM ET

TORONTO — Stephane Dion wrapped himself in Liberal red as Canadian markets edged into the black Wednesday to drive home the point that Liberal times are good economic times.

Two former finance ministers appeared onstage to introduce their leader and hail him as a worthy successor to the party's history of fiscal responsibility.

Dion embraced the opportunity to laud the accomplishments of Paul Martin and Ralph Goodale.

It was under Martin's stewardship that Jean Chretien's government slew the massive deficits left by Conservative Brian Mulroney.

Goodale extended the Liberal string of budget surpluses to more than a dozen straight before the Tories won the 2006 election.

"I am extremely proud to have been introduced to you by the best minister of finance in Canada's history," Dion told business leaders after Martin introduced him.

"I learned so much from him."

Dion hearkened back to when Chretien's Liberals came to power in 1993: "Our economy was anemic, the deficit was $42 billion and we restored the strength of the economy."

Dion quickly turned to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, taking him to task for waiting until a week before the election to release his party platform.

He also slammed Harper for responding to deep fears about the world economic crisis by suggesting Canadians take advantage of the stock market meltdown by buying bargain stocks.

Dion said it shows Harper is out of touch and has flunked the most important test of leadership: failing to understand the fears people have for their jobs and savings.

The Toronto Stock Exchange has lost a third of its value since June. It made a modest gain Wednesday after a week of carnage.

Dion spoke to the same Toronto business audience to whom Harper unveiled the Conservative election platform Tuesday.

Calling it "too little, too late," Dion said the Tory platform has no plan to help Canada's economy beyond meagre relief for the manufacturing and forestry sectors.

"Stephen Harper has no plan. That just isn't good enough. We have to act now. Doing nothing is not an option."

By contrast, he said, the Liberals have a solid strategy to protect people's savings, pensions, homes and jobs.

Harper, he said, "suffers from the same fatal flaw as other right-wing politicians. he talks about shrinking government then he spends and spends building nothing with no coherent plan.

"History shows us that in tough economic times, it is progressive governments that put economies back on track. Clinton after Reagan and Bush. Blair after Thatcher and Major. Chretien and Martin after Mulroney. And, of course, McGuinty after Harris.

Speaking in French, Dion appealed directly to Quebec voters, citing the role of Quebec and Quebecers in reversing economic downturns of the past.

"We, the Quebecers, we can do great things," he said. "Let's stop voting for the Bloc.

"Let's work with all Canadians; let's succeed together. . . . It's too big, what we are facing, but we are a great people up for a great challenge."

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S.O
said

Harper and his gov't did more in the last 2 years then the liberals in 15!! He has cut taxes, regulated banks and CMHA and closed the soft lumber isse. What has Dion done? I don't even remember him as a cabinet minister. And layton's only experiance is being a city councillor!! This country is not in a crisis and thats because the current PM took measures over a year ago to make sure Canada would not slide into economic dissarry.


Steve
said

Listen to Harper for a minute: BMO is returning over 7% in dividends. That's a heck of alot better than their savings account. Cdn dividends are only taxed at 15% and not at your income rate. Which would you prefer?? It makes sense to me.


Brian
said

Actually right now is a good time to buy stocks since all the prices are down.
Its normal that when the stock market rebounds prices go higher then they were prior to the slump or drop.

So, if you have the money and the 10 to 15 years to wait, the stock markets could very well be a solid investment tool.




Mike in Vancouver
said

False outrage is sort of a recurring theme for Dion and Layton. I can't believe anyone takes it seriously. I also can't believe people don't realize these blogs are full of political hacks trying to skew public opinion.
I can do it with the false outrage of weenie 1(Dion) and weenie 2 (Layton)


Roger T
said

We don't need just a leader but a STRONG leader who can drive the country into a stable condition without spending money on war, rise tax on goods/services/property, intreest rates, stop the rise of unemployment, tackle youth or crimes in general,business investments and a Gov't that doesn't align themeselves with the US as it will effect us when there is a economic downturn.

We don't need stock tips as we have bay street and investment specialist to steer us all.

WE NEED UNCLE LAYTON!


Kathy
said

Imagine getting financial advice from a soon to be former leader of a political party that still hasn't paid off his leadership debt and required a special exemption. This guy is absolutely the worst example of how a leader should behave he is almost delighting in our economy having difficulties and trying to score political points. He should be ashamed of himself and even though I am a long time Liberal voter under no conditions could I vote for the party now and will most definitley be voting Conservative as the PM said last night sometimes a leader has to be hard headed and make the right decisions unlike Mr. Dion who is pandering to the lowest common denominator just to get votes he should be ashamed of himself as should some of the posters here in this forum.


NBC (Nobody but Conservative)
said

Wake up Canada before it's too late! Dions "solid strategy" amounts to nothing. How is he going to fulfill his promises? Ans: with running a deficit or an increase in taxes.

These other leaders are a joke. Dion's next speech "If elected I promise nobody loses their job, no losses in your pension funds, US will not effect our economy....I promise I promise I promise". Hurraaay!!!!...oh, wait a second...how is he going to do that????

NBC
(Nobody but Conservative)





Jesse in Calgary
said

Question:
How would taxing corporations at a higher rate (Layton's idea) or taxing coporations with a carbon tax (Dion's idea) going to help protect savings and stimulate economoic activity?

Answer:
It won't. Higher taxes = lower corporate earnings = lower share prices & dividends = reduced pension earnings.

Furthermore. Higher taxes = lower returns on corporate investment = less investments by corporations (in Canada) = less job creation (in Canada).


Todd
said

Harper is supposed to take leadership advice from Dion, he must be joking.
A new tax and wealth shift will not add stability to the economy. Beware Dion's tax grab.


Floyd McGammon, OTTAWA
said

Some say Harper is the best to lead this country during economic turmoil because he is an economist. He may be an economist, but a LOUSY one. The decision to reduce the GST while increasing income tax was a BAD economic decision, while is comment about buying opportunities is just not feasible for the majority of voters at this time.


Ryan
said

What exactly is the economic plan Dion speaks about?

3 weeks ago there were muted comments about the green plan.

The only economic plan I've heard recently is to have a few meetings? Or that a plan/strategy exists.

I'd love to see details of the economic plan/strategy Dion has. Particularly what Canada can and should do to stop the credit crisis in the US and its effect on Canada and the world markets.

It sure was nice when people would state they have a plan and then show or explain it. Now all we get are we have a plan.





Concerned Canadian
said

How can Canadians be so gullible as to support a flip flopping leader as Steve. He doesn't care about the ordinary citizen. As a matter of fact he treats us like a cheap trick, a one night stand if you will. He "promises" he loves you on Tuesday night and will forget about you by Wednesday morning. Pathetic. Broken promises on fixed election dates, income trust, art funding cuts. Keeping people like Jackson, Ritz, Bernier. These are the people you want in the House of Commons? And who can forget Jim Flattery(sarcasm), see how he's encouraged investors to look to Ontario. This from someone who left a deficit when he left the Ontario CON govt for the Liberals to clean up and will no doubt be responsible for the same misadventure with the CONS in the Federal govt. As for Steve he still has his piano playing to fall back on.

Unbelievable Steve knew about this economic meltdown for a year and didn't act. To paraphrase (not plagarise Mulroney), "you had a choice, sir." I guess Steve's comeback would be, it's hard to set priorities.




kudo
said

To all those posters, we need to understand econ slow down is not due to domestic factors, it's a global world wide...
When you know the econ is slowing down, what would you do? You would dine in at home, less movie, hold on to big ticket purchase, and continue to pay down your mortgage.

Bush issued a big tax refund 6 months ago, and how's the economy in US now? There were a 0.5% jump in consumer spending the month after the tax rebate, but then continue to shrink.

SPENDING YOUR WAY to "stimulate" economy is not right. Will you spend money to "stimulate" your income when you lose a job?

NO CARBON TAX! No 100000 unit senior home empty promises.


Lou in Ottawa
said

Now IS a good time to buy stocks that are low in price. The stocks will gain in time. My biggest problem is trying to figure out how some people can say vote NDP or Liberal. With the NDP, you have corporations and businees being taxed until it hurts. What will the corporations do? Move off-shore, a move sure to cost jobs in Canada. Will you still be loyal to the NDP. With the Liberals, you get a carbon tax to the polluters. This tax will be passed on to everyone in the cost of everything you buy. You will be able to thank Mr. Dion for that increase. I went to the advance poll, I voted Conservative. I'll take my chances with Harper.


DougD
said

Give me a break - I'm sure Dion, along with ALL of the other leaders have been on the phone with their brokers the past few days. Just because Harper says it doesn't mean it is wrong.


Denis le frog
said

Harper failed as p.m. the first day he formed his cabinet of incompetent ministers and as largely proven is incapacity to show any empathy toward working canadians watching their life savings slowly disappear.Not to mention how easily he's dismissed scandal after scandal with a hand wave for the past 2 years. He might be able to crunch numbers but is "people skills" are a bit rusty to be P.M.


Confused!
said

I've been sitting on the fence since the election was called ... tossed between Liberal and Conservative. And still, I'm on the fence.

But, when the rest of the world is heading in one direction, my gut tells me that we should be heading the same way ... not just sitting back.

It doesn't help when Harper says "All is fine" one week and then comes out saying we're in for a rocky ride the next week. This only reinforces my opinion that he isn't sure about what's happening.

Luckily, I have 5 days left to finalize my decision!


Gail (Hamilton)
said

I think Canadians are out of touch and being led by fear rather than rational thinking. Moderate Liberals and Conservatives need to stick together in this election, otherwise, we're headed to the far left. We're not boobs that can't take care of ourselves. This paternalistic show of care act for Canadians by Dion, Jack and Elizabeth won't benefit the middle class. Sticking it to your neighbours because they may have more than you is nothing but class envy and detrimental to society as a whole.


Laurie from Moose Jaw SK
said

TYPICAL liberal hype. the action the PM has taken over the past 18 months has set us in a good position to weather this global crisis. and in fact it is a good time to put some extra (no matter how small) cash into the market to reduce your overall cost and benefit when the markets rebound. dion has to react to this crisis because he has had no plan. The PM does not have to panic like the rest of the world because he had a plan, and it is working. Stay the course Canada and we will be just fine. Give the reigns to the liberals and we will find ourselves in worse shape than the US and the Europeons.


tony
said

Harper is such a rich man's butt-kisser! He has absolutely no understanding of the rest of us. Get him out of power!!!


Robin the Hood
said

While people lose their pension accounts and others are forced to delay retirement ... like his MOTHER!.. all that Harper can say is to "play the stock market and take advantage of low prices"... he should add effectively take advantage of other's misery!! If that is not cold and calculating I don't know what is??! Disgusting coming from someone who is supposed to represent ALL Canadians! He has shown that side of him I think we all knew about anyway.. his comments applies only to people with lots of money.. he favours the rich and wealthy over the well being of everyone else. Absolutely no different than than Republican/Bush thieves south of the border! I think it was a lack of tact on his part and I noticed he wavered nervously yesterday on the CBC when he repeated it. Huge mistake that will cost him more votes and he knows it was a gaff to let that one slip. I'm certain he lost no wealthy votes but lost lots of others. Thank you Mr Harper! ;-)

ABC!


Dave W
said

Dion's carbon tax would be an absolute disaster for Canada right now. Granted, Harper, should not have made the comment he did about buying, but it's a single comment. Harper has the right plan to move forward.


Distressed in Out West
said

I am single wage earner nearing retirement.My savings portfolio is in shambles,our energy costs here in Saskatchewan have just gone up, we are told our house taxes are going to go up in a big way and Mr. Harper is giving advice to invest in the stock market? For those people living the "good life" in some kind of bubble including Mr. Harper ,they do not have a clue about the fear and distress that I as an ordinary Canadian is going through. Time to get off of the Good Ship Lollypop and vote for a different captain.


RobO
said

"Taxpayers' group says Tory platform is 'cautious'"

Maybe Dion should the article from the Taxpayers Assocation, before he speaks. I'd rather have infomation from a Leader who has a degree in economic's than some Lawyer.

But then we are back to the usual fear tactic the Liberals us to have us for for them and there elitist friends.

I for one have faith that Harper and his crew will led the ship in the right direction. So maybe its the Liberals who need to change the Captain and the crew. Becuase there ship is just sailing around in circles scaring everyone.

Bad on you Mr Dion, the sky will only fall if you and you party of elitist get in power.


James in Toronto
said

What a great speech. One of the best stump speeches I've seen Dion give. He really is improving.

6 Days to go. Can he pull it out in the end? I am starting to think so.


Steve Daly, Mississauga
said

Grossly dishonest and manipulative.

First he takes shots at Flaherty for his comments that Ontario's business tax policy is discouraging investment. Flaherty's problem? Business tax rates are too high in Ontario.

Then he takes a shot at Layton for wanting to raise business tax rates. He spouts off about how lower business tax rates are not a left wing policy or a right wing policy, but simply the right thing to do.

Be honest Mr. Dion.

When Minister Flaherty was railing against Ontario he was trying to save the Ontario economy from a bad tax policy. A bad tax policy in force due to a Liberal government.

Be honest Mr. Dion, it's the right thing to do.


Jim
said

Dion's massive new Carbon tax would be an economic nightmare. Dion is getting a free ride from the press on this.


bunny
said

Oh for goodness sake, my mother who is 85 and living on a pension loves to look at stocks.What is the matter with Dion, that he picks on one line.Did he happen to hear the rest of the interview?


Cambob
said

Actually, I'm investing a little bit in the market now. Tim hortons was up yesterday after some expansion news. And there's a few other good bets out there. I voted NDP in the past but if Jack won't even debate in his own riding and Dion is too naive to take Harpers advice... Blah, I guess I may actually switch to Tory. I don't want to, but Harpers the only one who isn't smashing the panic button.


Duane Oshawa
said

My vote is for a steady as she goes, nothing more dangerous in dangerous waters than a jerky hand. I see the IMF has given the Harper goverment high marks for navigation. The strongest in all of the G* countries!!!!


Harper = Inaction
said

I agree with Dion, when leaders in the rest of the world are taking direct action in this crisis,it says something. Doing nothing is not an option.

Harper = inaction.


bob from Guelph
said

Harper is out of touch with Canadians...I don't feel comfortable with his leadership.


Dave from Calgary
said

I can't believe Harper, said it is a good time to invest in stocks! Most experts say don't go in right now unless you have 20 - 30 years ahead of you! How insensitive Harper is to the ones losing their jobs, and have to sell their homes! He must live in a Bubble! Not the kind of leader we need. He's just out of touch with most Canadians.


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