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Beware opening door to online surveillance, critics say
The Canadian Press
Date: Tuesday Feb. 21, 2012 6:34 PM ET
OTTAWA Opponents of the government's online surveillance bill say Canada should look to its allies for cautionary tales before pushing ahead with measures that would erode Internet freedom.
Experiences in other jurisdictions such as the United States and Britain show no evidence of improved crime-fighting ability and "overwhelming evidence of increased surveillance," said Micheal Vonn of the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association.
The Canadian legislation would allow police, intelligence and competition bureau officers access to Internet subscriber information -- including name, address, telephone number, email address and Internet Protocol address -- without a warrant. An IP address is the numeric label assigned to a computer on the Internet.
It would also require telecommunication service providers to have the technical capability to enable police and spies to intercept messages and conversations.
The government says its proposed legislation is consistent with that of the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand.
The international examples demonstrate that when authorities are given more powers to keep an eye on Internet surfers, they definitely use them, said Vonn.
"If you build it, they will come," she said.
The government insists the bill will improve Canada's ability to work with its international partners to fight crime and terrorism.
But critics question the rationale for the legislation altogether, saying no one has made a strong case that the current system -- based on voluntary compliance and warrants -- isn't working well.
"We're not seeing a very strong need for these bills, and we're seeing an expansion of surveillance powers that basically begs for abuse," said Lindsey Pinto, a spokeswoman for OpenMedia.ca, which has helped lead opposition to the measures.
Some warn that legislation without strong oversight and other protections will invite problems of the kind seen abroad.
Inappropriate access to the sort of transactional data -- not the content, but all of a message's identifiers -- that Canadian authorities seek under the bill is a "common problem" in both Britain and the United States, says a research paper by Christopher Parsons, a University of Victoria doctoral student who has studied the issue.
"In the U.S. the problem is far more significant," he writes. "The U.S. suffers from endemic inappropriate surveillance."
The U.S. National Security Agency eavesdropping service ran a warrantless wiretapping system with the assistance of major telecommunications providers, while the FBI has repeatedly strayed over the line when collecting information, he notes.
The American experience shows law enforcement agencies tend to access communications data inappropriately when there is unclear -- or no --judicial oversight, he adds.
Research in Britain indicates people have been placed under surveillance for minor infractions such as littering and smoking in a public place.
The Canadian government cites safeguards in its bill, including record-keeping requirements and regular internal audits to ensure the powers aren't abused.
But it's not yet clear how they would work.
"We do need to make sure that there is clear oversight and really meaningful deterrence from abuse," said Pinto.
Being slower than its key allies to implement such legislation, Canada is in the ideal position take a different approach, said Vonn.
"As usual we're being told we're way behind and we have to do exactly the same thing."
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das967able
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We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.
coopns
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Says I - Ottawa
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Maybe I'm Amazed
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The Real TonyD
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Here is an idea. Everybody, and I mean everybody, turn off your internet and start using the old ways again. What is left for the government to do, read your mail? Or should they place wire taps on every phone, or perhaps wire up your tv's like 1984 BIG BROTHER style.
I think England has long been in 1984 Mode and America is not far behind. Look at the leaders and followers of this trend.
England was first with CCTV everywhere, Australia and New Zealand followed and now Canada wishes to be part of the old British Empire's way. Imagine then, the Libs never thought that being Brit was part of Canada's image, and infact they worked hard to remove Canada from that type of scene. We became a true country with our own international held views. This did us well with the international communities.
Now the blue boys seem to have a longing for the good old empire days and are doing everything to make it so. Diefenbaker was a looser, Molroney was a looser and Harper and company today are the biggest of the lot. Amen
Kevin
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Josh
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I don't support this bill but many people don't know what freedom means some think they can say what every they want even a complete lie and they can't be touched why because its a free country there are some that don't think we should have any laws.
Pip
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Josh
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No i don't think its illegal are there issues no question as for the charter that applies to all that does not mean you can go online do what every you want.
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Dave in F'ton
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Joe Canadian says VIC Toews MUST RESIGN!!
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Even more likely, anyone in the House of Commons could spoof the IP that was used by someone else, and make it look like someone else was the culprit. I won't say how this is done because I do not wish to spawn thsi kind of behaviour.
The RCMP will know this, so any investigation they undertake will never find the culprit. Catching the culprit doesn't matter anyway, since the material presented by him, or her was public info anyway. And it serves Vic Toews better if the culprit remains unknown, don't you think?
In the end, this bill C-30 is illegal, per the following in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms(8):
8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
The furor about this bill is all about us being called Child Abuser supporters because we insist upon our right to be secure from unreasonable search of seizure.
Vic Toews is wrong when he suggests are against bill C-30 supports those who molest children or those who profit from it. There are 33,000,000 people in Canada, and 32,999,999 of us think Vic was very wrong to suggest what he has, and frankly he should resign for those comments. In addition, bill C-30 should NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY!!
My name is JOE, and I AM CANADIAN
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John
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If this sounds far-fetched, consider that the pace of technological change will allow any such information to be obtained, and stored indefinitely at minimal cost.
Algorithms arbitrarily aligned to any conceivable pattern of access could be applied to anyone, or any group, without their knowledge.
Any rebuttals that the Conservatives apply to restricting such usage by way of "regulations safeguarding freedom" would be tantamount to creating an agency to "ensure freedom from government agencies".
Preserve our freedom.
Our government has enough real responsibilities to fight, real people to take care of, and real opportunities to take advantage of.
This comes from an independent who would keep this issue at the forefront before ever voting Tory again.
I believe in individual rights and freedoms, not an any cost, but certainly before I yield broad "observation and information accumulation" measures to nameless bureaucrats.
Concerned Canadian
BtVS
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Soon, you`ll have no place to hide. You`re naive to believe that losing privacy on your cellular and internet usage won`t lead to privacy lost in other aspects of your life. This power will be abused and will only open the door to more spying bills with the guise of public safety in the years ahead.
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Lorraine
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Why on earth anyone, with an iota of common sense would agree to this and mostly those whom APPLAUDED for the destruction of the Long Gun Registry ?
We do not need a POLICE STATE! Yes, we do have criminals whom have to be better "punished" but Mr. Harper, if you're reading these, don't let this thing happen or you risk loosing many votes.
We're not Americans and WE are not as PARANOID as Americans are...So Mr. Prime Minister and all the Conservative Team please start breathing through the nose. RELAX...
JR
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Hiarken
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If they can't run a simple gun registry how can they keep decent over site on the ones doing the surveillance?
Have a organization that surveils the organization that does the surveillance?
Then who surveils them?
This idea is so convoluted it would make George Orwell look like a guy who did nothing, but create soup can labels.
Ask for a warrant. It's worked in the past. It works now.
And speaking of work, if law enforcement wants to hunt down pedophiles and their ilk do it the old fashioned way......Investigate.
Don't be so bloody lazy. Capturing criminals is not supposed to be as easy as toasting a freakin' Pop-Tart.
The bill is an invasion of personal liberty and privacy and I for one will count my government as my enemy, never to be trusted and never to be defended.
This is Canada, not England; that's why we all came here.
Remember?
Josh
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I have many issues with this bill i think it goes to far but to say this is a tyranny we have to have laws and as is aid why i have many issues with this bill i also take issues to that think they should be able to do what every they please online like it or not we need laws.Lets not forget its some on the far left that do try and limit free speech the far right is no matter both sides have many issues the crazy thing is it was the liberals that did try and bring in the same sort of bill.
Blake
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"If you aren't doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about."
*cough MORONS..*cough *cough
What if you are doing something legal, but still don't want people to know your business?
Legal activities that can get a person in trouble or fired.
Porn Surfing if your woman isn't cool with it.
Hiding Money from family or what not because you sell alot on ebay.
Chatting with a friend on how your boss is an idiot (venting frustration) on phone, text, or online.
Or what of a person struggling with there sexuality?
Or someone with a medical condition that everyone know about all of the sudden.
You know how many people are going to jump to conclusions if everyone can see what everyone is doing.
It's like living in a house. If you aren't doing anything illegal, then you don't need to hang curtains or lock your door.
Information on a person in the open be it legal or not will ALWAYS BE USED AGAINST YOU.
I agree, predators need to be caught (beaten if I catch em), but the answer is not to put everyone in jail, or treat everyone like a suspected criminal.
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Angloman
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Dumber words have never been spoken.
Please tape your bank account number, your PIN, your SIN and all other financial information to your windows immediately.
Please leave your car doors unlocked with the keys in the ignition.
And don't forget to disable the locks on your house.
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Justin
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From the hidden 'gag order'(section 23, thanks to lawyer David Fraser for finding that gem) in this bill, to the freedom of the minister to appoint ANYONE to freely intercept and data at any time, without a warrant (via sections 33,34).
Or even section 17 which Vic on high himself didn't even approve of. (Of course that was after he read it).
Well also have the numerous writing of Michael Geist, who has picked this bill apart, and has found many problems.
Before you start spewing that I don't know what it's about, maybe you should yourself find out more info.
But hey, the experts know nothing, right?
mike
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I strongly believe in less state intervention, not more. An individual should be able to choose for himself, and act autonomous, rather than trust a huge government machine. Example, I had my identity frauded as an employee of a bank decided to resell my information. This was a major bank, a government, with more centralisation is just an invitation for more. They shouldn't have a storage of IP addresses linked to individuals.
You'd think such a strong backlash by the general public would wake the Cons up. Hopefully it will. At least I take solace that even with an IP it is hard to identify who used a particular connection, as most homes and their neighbours have multiple IP connections.
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Its high time this Harper gov't swallow their pride when the Canadian public disagrees with them if they are going to push forward with this online surveillance bill.
This is invasion of privacy and for the Police and gov't to infiltrate your emails and txt msgs w/o a warrant due to suspicion of pedophilia is a total case of Paranoia!
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THIS could open up a PANDORA BOX.
People who say: "I don't have anything to be worried about" are completaly out in the field
Do not think that I don't want pedophiles, fraud experts and terrorists to be caught ? Quite the contrary.
However, when u give this kind of power to a group ie.: policemen, governments etc., ABUSE OF POWER can easily happen.
Got to be very, very VERY carefull with this bill. Got to be extremely detailed, precise otherwise we'll hear about abuses in a very near future.
It's a bit like putting a GPS on someone's car without his authorization and/or knowledge.
This new technology is already being abused let's not be credulous about this ...
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