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Date: Thu. Jun. 18 2009 9:39 PM ET
New legislation proposed by the Tory government would give police increased powers to tap into Canadians' private online communications and allow officers to use cell phones as tracking devices.
Another major piece of the legislation would give law enforcement officials the ability to access personal information without a warrant -- powers that go too far, according to some privacy advocates.
Under two proposed bills presented Thursday, police would be able to:
- Get an Internet user's name, address and email contact without a warrant
- Charge someone for arranging sex exploitation with another person over the Net
- Gain data about the origin and destination of an online discussion
- Turn on tracking devices inside cell phones
The rules would also force:
- Internet providers to keep data on their hard drives in case a user tries to delete information relevant to criminal investigations
- Telecommunications companies to research ways in which they could intercept online conversations
Vincent Gogolek, policy director of the BC Civil Liberties Association, said the legislation bypasses due process and creates a legal shortcut where warrants were once required.
"There are going to be officials in a bunch of government departments, who are going to have the power to authorize seizure of electronic communication data. And that just shouldn't happen without a warrant from a judge."
While the government says the new rules are needed to update archaic laws which were drafted during the era of the rotary telephone, Gogolek questioned that explanation.
"They've been saying that since the last millennium," Gogolek told CTV News Channel from Vancouver Thursday.
"Every time this comes up, we keep asking them, 'tell us what your problems are, show us some examples where the current laws haven't worked,' and they always fall back on hypothetical" scenarios, he said.
"It's like a bad zombie movie, where every few years, this proposal -- which we think has been killed off -- keeps coming back."
Gogolek added that Canada's laws already recognize the principle of "hot pursuit," which allows police to expedite investigations.
The two bills were introduced Thursday by Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, who say Canada's laws need to be updated in order to fight high-tech criminals.
"Twenty-first century technology calls for 21st century tools for police to effectively investigate crime," said Nicholson in Ottawa.
Van Loan noted: "The legislation contains important tools to allow our law enforcement community and our intelligence officials to combat crime and terrorism in the face of rapidly evolving communications technologies."
Later in the day, Van Loan defended the legislation as a simple update of the current laws.
"There is nothing that allows the police to look at emails without a warrant," Van Loan told CTV's Power Play.
When asked about particular circumstances where the current laws have fallen short, Van Loan pointed to a recent kidnapping investigation in British Columbia, which was delayed by more than 36 hours as officers attempted to get a warrant to trace a suspect through cellular telephone.
"They want to intervene in those kinds of situations immediately," Van Loan said,
Still, the legislation doesn't respect the privacy of Canadians, critics say.
"I haven't seen the evidence that substantiates a relaxation of civil liberties in this area," said David Fewer, director of the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic at the University of Ottawa, in an interview with The Canadian Press.
"It just looks like a grab, under the name of modernization, just a grab of our civil liberties."
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Stephanie from Ontario
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redbike in redmonton
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Jim
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American in Canada
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Please do not remain passive and as many Americans did when similar legislation was enacted in the US. Once a government takes away your rights and freedoms, history teaches us that those rights can never be restored using those same means. Such laws are always abused by law enforcement. These are not laws of a free country, but rather, laws more common to a dictatorship. To say it is in support of fighting terrorism only insults the intelligence of Canadians.
This should not be an argument between left and right, but rather wrong and right. Your liberties, and the liberties of your children are a stake.
The last item in that list is nothing but a political ploy, so that anyone who doesn’t vote for the Bill will be accused of not looking out for the best interest of our children. This is an old political trick, don’t fall for it. That last item should be a bill on its own without all the other right infringing powers.
Do everything you can to defeat this bill.
Who said we had the right to privacy online anyway
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What a joke!
No one should have an expectation of privacy online.
Hackers can get to pretty much anything.
People need to stop thinking that emails are AT ALL private.
Sending an email has the privacy equivalent to you walking down a street having a conversation.
If you are walking and talking with a friend on a public street, chances are you are being video recorded and with cell phones and etc. you can quite possibly be voice recorded. So when you are online engaging socially or otherwise amidst the online community you have no real privacy as though you were out in your real life community.
This is an absolute fact.
As the article stated these new laws are simply a catch up to the vast chaos of crime etc. online.
And our governments would be (and have been up until now) neglectful to not update laws.
People who are so worried about privacy need to admit to themselves that being online is not private, it's a public community.
Who ever said it was our personal right to be anonymous online anyway?
I think children being exploited IS worth attention and sacrificing the notion that the internet is our giant lawless anonymous free for all community.
Without law and order we are left with anarchy.
Which is how I would describe the internet.
And sure enough with anarchy we have children being exploited and rampant fraud (identity theft and phishing)
Like a bunch of brats we will grumble about this and idiots will rant publicly but in the end it will happen.
So look out child predators, your haven will change! yay!
Mamad
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John Royle, Ontario
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Terry S.
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Hitler didn't just show up one day and say "I'm gonna restrict your freedoms, put thugs in charge, and commit genocide! Who's with me?" It happened slowly bit by bit until most decent people either were so brainwashed they didn't see the wrong or were so powerless they could do little about it.
If that is in no way convincing, the one point you may understand is; This will cost ISP and communications companies A LOT of money that shows up on your bill. YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE!!!!!! That should scare the bejezus out of the right wingers out there!
Josh in Ontario
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I'm all for increasing police powers for the protection of society, but the police need to have SOME semblance of a process which verifies that the info they are going after is needed, and safeguards against abuse. The article doesn't explicitly say that they can "read your e-mail without a warrant", but I would like to see the details of the legislation before I make a judgement.
For now, it looks like they might be pushing it.
Jason, in Toronto
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muzo
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Alain
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Rick Johnson
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Rob Nicholson (905) 353-9590 (905) 871-9991
Peter Van Loan (905) 898-1600
Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election
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Matt
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Hopefully the representative and party you vote for represent you well.
That being said, I regularly mail my MP and MPP, and I'm getting more involved to help encourage them to do the right thing.
My opposition to this bill is the warrantless searches, and I'm letting the government know.
DCR-Toronto
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Ottawa Guy
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dc in ottawa
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Chris Jones-Hansen
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NO THANKS.
Brad G - Edmonton
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PB_Toronto
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While we are at it we should make our voices heard about the Tories being tougher on offenders and young offenders. We certainly dont want to look like we are tough on crime. Might hurt our worldly reputation and may actually reduce the number of frivulous lawsuits arising from all our civil rights abuses bestowed on the criminal element.
seriouisly, Canada is beginning to make me sick with its hug a thug attitude. This law hurts no one but those who would take part in criminal activities.
WB
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Mike from Edmonton
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Jack in Hamilton
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Jay, Ottawa
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There's still a nuance here that should be addressed. To get my driver's license they need to ask me for it. If an officer pulls me over they give me a reason for it and I'm the one to hand over that license. Not some private sector company. I can also ask the officer questions, and because most officers are good people they will explain what is going on.
In the case of the internet I wouldn't be involved in that process. Let's say Molly that someone in the government doesn't like what you said in the CTVNews.ca comments. I want you to be able to express yourself without the possibility of your MP refusing to help you one day because of something you posted online and they used channels to discover your identity.
The fundamental problem here as I see it is that they're trying to tack on the realities of new technology to archaic laws. Instead, maybe many of these laws should be written from the ground up to better balance the protection of society's most vulnerable AND strengthening democracies by recognising the internet as a medium for the free exchange of ideas with a reasonable expectation of personal privacy protected by safeguards.
dave
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Independently Minded
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You are aware that your name, address and phone number IS your "private information" right?
If you disagree, then please feel free to post them all on this very board, right now...
If you are reluctant to do so, then your common sense is telling you that the information is "private".
Our police forces are very well trained and can quite efficiently "detect" criminal activity already. This is an Orwellian bill and it must be defeated.
I for one am not about to five up my civil liberties to any one. This government needs to be reminded, WE ARE THE BOSS OF THEM, not the other way round...
JP
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Big brother is already here people.
Jacquie
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LB from the burbs
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Dan
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I suggest other Conservatives do the same - a message has to be sent to Parliament that Canada in 2009 is not Germany in the 1930s.
Since Mr. Harper and the party are teetering on the precipice of power, perhaps the prospect of losing power will change their minds.
An Ox In CowTown
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Everything you just stated was wrong. Try reading something before you spout off such simple minded drivel. You just re-enforce the stereotypes of this province.
So the Mounties lie, we know this, they murder people and get away with it. The ONLY, ONLY thing keeping them in check is the courts, and now the con's want to remove that..
jesus christ.. that's all I can say.. if this happens, that's it, I'm moving to another country.. I know it sounds like an over reaction but if Canadians are this stupid to allow this to happen I'm done trying to help this country or it's people..
shameful.. horrible.. dangerous..
Molly
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Joshua
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Mario Tbay
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Independently Minded
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This is one of the frustrating things I find about this government. They are bought and paid for by special interests. Groups who have no issues with privacy invasion or circumventing a citizen's rights so long as it isn't them...
This bill is inherently written to be abused by those who don't have the public safety at heart, namely the media industries hoping to sue individual citizens for downloading their content.
Kinda like the US war on drugs, fill the prisons with users, but let the producers remain free...
The first slice of our rights is the side stepping of judicial warrants. It's a slippery slope when that limitation is gone.
What's next? Wiretapping without a warrant?
These Cons have learned far too well from the Bush administration as well as the Chinese government!
Van Loan if you want anti-child exploitation legislation then write it, don't hide a backhanded surveillance bill and call it an anti-child porn bill!
How stupid do they think we are?
Concerned Canadians need to contact their MPs and voice their concern or this could become LAW!
JTD
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I don’t agree with this at all. Not all police officers are good people, and I wouldn’t want my personal information at those people’s finger tips. This is not safe, and I believe puts the public in danger.
Mike everywhere
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Without a warrant someone could give your name to police anonymously, and you then become a pedophile until proven innocent.
MHR - Police can be crook
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I will tell you this... Think about this.
There are over 50,000 polices in this country. Alot of them are crook and has a seriou connection with gang or criminals org. Imagine this kind of law will give them powers to bribe crook police to access information of people. OR their rival... Evedropping on their rivals as well...
Without WARRENT is dangerous. There are no safety net in this.. WE are allowing polices to do whatever they want to... That is going to lead us to somewhere dark... Polices can abuse it... That is FACT...
What are we doing to prevent that? It seem like Tories think police is 100% good.
They are out of touch with this law.....
This is like my interpreter at high school picking up my notes in trash bin and I made a bad joke and I got caught because of that interpreter. This is similar and we can see polices overstep their authority.
Mark my word on this. I think I will start deleting all of my emails and disconnect internet from my computer.
Mo - Regina
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This governoment is sick. It looks to me that our country is ruled by some control freaks.
I can't believe that this is happening in Canada. How can we have the guts to critsize Iran or china then for doing the same thing that we look forward to here at home?
Lauren
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Selecting jurors from a pool is legal in both the States and Canada. Lawyers are entitled to peremptory challenges as well as dismissals for cause for a number of potential jurors. Screening jurors has been going on for years.... why do you think that the wealthy who can hire jury consultants to screen the jury in their favour tend to win more cases?
This has nothing to do with internet surveillance or warrants.
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It's the thin edge of the wedge my friends.
Mike from Saskatoon
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Why is it that when Iran or the USSR do this it is a violation of civil rights and when we do it it is all about our protection.
Reese
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Arthur Tiztik
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So much for privacy.
And don't even start with the "if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't care" stupidity...
Will James
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As a victim of a crime, where was MY RIGHTS and MY PRIVACY when I was being violated. Oh, lets remember, in a socialist and liberal state the collectively and betterment of the criminal is paramount….Victims come SECOND!
Just goes to show you how selfish and uncaring some people are. But when the victim becomes you, I am sure you would change your tone.
Dave - Halifax
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I for one, agree with your statement "if you're not breaking the law, then..."
However, let's look a bit deeper than that.
Let's say, for example, this bill passes, and I live next door to you - and we don't like eachother (so anyone you don't like...take note)
I simply login to your network (easy and LEGAL), I then do outrageous things under your account, like talk about death, bombs, porn, etc. Than I logoff, walk back home, and wait for the 5.0 to roll up to your house.
Thank about how many people would abuse this? Heck, I'd be tempted to login to the Conservative Parties' network and start spreading false information. The sky is the limit!
Off that topic, this is by definition a "Police State"...not quite sure why we'd want to roll the clocks back to let's say the 14th century, but it seems that's the case. I for one, have already written my MP, and opposition parties, as well as had my neighbors and family do the same...
Don't let Canada turn into Iranada please!
Dave in Ontario
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Ed in Ontario
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Chief Small Shadow
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How widely will they cast the net ?
Cops already monitor thousands of IP's without permission .
This smacks of fascism .
How many 'key' words will become suspect ?
Will the cops tell someone their IP is being monitored before or after the fact ?
IP's can be cloned .
What about proxy addies ?
As per usual the con-bots have fashioned a law that stands no chance of passing a SCOC review . Typical .
Jared in Courtenay
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This man truly frightens me.
This is the kind of law you put into place to begin gathering information on your political rivals to eliminate or control them.
the only thing Harper has odne I like is strengthen the military but the rest is not good news for Canadians in general.
Kevin R
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Greg
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Be vigilant, citizen!
Paul J Graham, Saskatoon
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There is a another way to counteract this legislation...turn off the computer, write letters and go to the library for your info.
Matt
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You might be perfect, without a single embarrassing detail, or an innocent act that may be misinterpreted, but most of us aren't. If there is a good reason to suspect that useful information exists, the police should go get that information. However they have to have a reason to believe the information is there, they shouldn't just wander through our lives as they please.
Once they suspect child luring, go ahead get a warrant and investigate them. But if there is no reason to suspect someone, the police should leave them alone.
Ian in N.B.
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Everyone has their own private things they want to do on the Internet. Your sexual prefernces, your plans, your bank statements, where your child is going. They can even spy on your child as well.
Now say that whoever has a grudge got a hold of this information. I'll let you take it from there. This bill has nothing but "BAD IDEA" written all over it.
Jim in the West
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Molly
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Graeme
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I hope Ignatief can defeat Harper as soon as possible: bring on a summer election if needed.
Nick in Gatineau
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Harper government = Guilty until proven innocent.
We are at a point where an accusation is enough to destroy a person's life. So guilty or not, Harper is allowing the accusation to set the pace. Again, what happens to the falsely accused ?
MAL
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We can even set up the waterboarding camp on Baffin Island and help with Northern employment. Win-Win!
This is total SARCASM of course, it's a stupid idea that WILL be abused in the name of safety, right George W.
Adam in Ottawa
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david in Ottawa
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The government needs to learn to govern the country and keep its long curious fingers out of citizen's private lives.
Don't we have enough to worry about without Big Brother snooping through our internet browsing preferences... which incidentally might contain sensitive financial and personal details....
Gimme and election!
an accepted LAW = a broader law in the future
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Wake up people its already a police state. They control how much money you have in your pocket with taxes and interest rates, etc. If ever they take to much and we the people take to the streets they will just consider us an enemy of the state and lock us up with out a lawyer or charges exactly like they do in Gitmo. If you think this couldn't happen get your head out of the sand.
Besides If Criminals know that the Police are watching the internet don't you think they will Stop using it and use something else. We have ever lived without the internet before and a smart criminal will go back to meeting in the back alles. so Realize people Its just an excuse to watch average tax paying citizens to be able to monitor when they have to be scared that we the people might rise up and rebel against our own government like history has shown and demand more of our hard earned money back !!!!!
A. Bica
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Isn't one a requirement for presumption of innocence?
Dani - Red Deer
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Patrick LeavingToronto
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Oh, right, that's the problem. Its easier to fish than to build a proper case.
Gee, I wonder if they're going to grab everyone's data from commenting on this article, and then harrass us?
Dan in Ontario
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The question is, who will have access to people's personal communications? How easy will it be for, say, a divorce lawyer to get information about someone's phone texts or email?
The other question is how much it's going to cost service providers to maintain all this extra hardware the law is demanding? Because of course consumers will end up paying the bill for this.
Worse-case scenario here is potential employers or creditors getting information about one's shopping habits, who one's friends are, about one's religion, politics, health conditions, sexual orientation, etc. All this at the click of a button, without the bother of having a judge decide if any crime is involved or if the person looking for the information has any legitimate use for it.
If child porn or organized crime are justification for reading someone's personal information, show some evidence of an actual crime. That's what a search warrant is for. Don't just hand information to the bureaucracy with no restrictions.
C. Morris
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Concerned Canadian
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But as Ben Franklin once said, those who give up their freedom for security end up with neither.
The government defends their position on the grounds that they are hunting for pedophiles. Now no one can defend pedophiles, but these laws will take away everyone's right to privacy, not just the perverts'.
And that's why civil liberty groups are upset. It is unfair to argue that they are "defending perverts" by attacking this law. All they are calling for is for the regular safeguards, ones that have worked well for several hundred years, to remain in place.
If the police have good evidence that someone is producing or using child porn, then they should be able to get a warrant. If not, then why should they be allowed to invade not just the perverts' privacy, but everyone else's as well?
Because that's where this is going. In the wrong hands, this becomes a tool to suppress anyone, investigate anyone, invade anyone's privacy.
And the argument that "if you've got nothing to hide, why should you worry?" just doesn't cut it. I do not have to justify my right to privacy; it is up to the state to defend their decision to take it away. The onus is on them, not me.
The notion that the rights of the citizen really belong to the state, by the way, is pure communism. In democratic countries, we treat our rights and freedoms as inalienable, not to be taken away without overwhleming reason.
And yet this Bill is being introduced by a supposedly Conservative government. Now what other right-wing states violated their citizens' right to privacy on the grounds of state security?
Oh yeah.
The Nazis.
And the U.S. under Bush.
Lauren
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Dave, Ottawa
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Think about this for a minute... Let's say the RCMP set up a "teaser" site, designed to entice pedophiles to go to it, with the intent of gathering information. Now lets say, as either a bad joke or a hack, that someone sets up a link on a website labeled as "Free DVD Offer", which actually routes you to the RCMP teaser site. You click the link. Now, the RCMP have your IP. Next, they pass the list of IPs to the corresponding service providers, no warrant or probable cause required, and say "Give me all ya got on these creeps". Now they have your name and identity, and there is no telling what police database you'll end up in next.
Doug
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Why can't I actually find someone who supports this group of "politicians"? Nobody wants to admit it. And yet the polls say they have a lot of support.
Is it all in Toronto?
annie, ontario
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I could never again vote for a party that thinks this is a good idea.
What the heck is up with these guys?
Inkmont
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I have nothing to hide but lets examine how this sort of info could be abused. You can vote by proxy and if your computer is monitored your vote is no longer private (voting is not criminal) Your sexual preference might make you a target of abuse, do you trust the government with this info? (this is not criminal either) You plan to market a product and don't want your competitors to know about it or how to make it, do you trust the government with this info they would likely leave a recording of it in a BATHROOM. In our society to expect that the government would do something detrimental to you on purpose is paranoia but to trust the government not to screw up is also naive.
Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
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It is like the gun registry. The truly malevolent people will find a way around it and the only people punished will be law abiding citizens.
DM in NB
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OK, Mattman, try this one on for size. Do you live in an apartment? Do you know anyone that does? Let's say that the person that lives in the apartment next door to you wants to download some child pron. Instead of doing it on their system, they use YOUR wireless connection. The police bust down your door a week later and arrest you, you get your name all over the media, and your life is now ruined.
Is that cool with you?
You be the judge.
Jay, Ottawa
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Here's a worst case scenario: A sitting government uses connections in the police force to obtain the names and addresses of people expressing views online that are contrary to government's in an effort to use intimidation to control dissent.
NMC in Cal gary
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DM in NB
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Not yet. But I'm sure they're thinking about it.
Sandy
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It has come to light in Ontario that the police and crown attorneys have secretly run background checks on prospective jurors, thus stacking the jury pool in their favour. If you don't think the police are going to "use" this new law for anything they wish then you need your head examined.
As a Conservative supporter I think this is despicable. My family members fought in wars for freedom, not for ANY government to take away! If you want to know my Internet activity, GET A WARRANT!
Mark
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Trent in Ontario
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It isn't the job of technology to raise and protect our children; that is the job of parents.
Parenting is quickly becoming a lost art if you will. Parents need to be parents and take an active role in their children's activities on and off the internet rather than using technology as a baby-sitter.
Since when did parents come to the realization that children are born with dicipline rather than it being a learned behaviour?
Maybe if parents did a little more parenting and educated their children instead of letting the Internet and their peers do the job for them things would be better!
What ever happened to family values?
Dan
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You have to remember, this will SAVE, PREVENT, and SOLVE many Internet crimes that are very serious and relevant to Canadian society - child porn, child luring, etc.. So common, I think I can give up a tad of freedom to help fight pedophiles, etc.!
Unless you have a lot to hide, I can't understand why people are so vocal against this.
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Mattman in Ottawa
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Right now I don't see anything in there that scares me.
I'm usually a bit gun-shy about anything that compromises my privacy, but I find this less offensive than some of the tracking of my surfing activities that private companies already do.
How could this be a civil liberties abuse? That's what I'd like to know.
Give us a worst-case scenarios of how a law abiding citizen could be done wrong by this and then I'll judge if it's worth it or not.
This doesn't sound as bad a some comments here seem to make it out.
ADM Saskatchewan
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As a senior IT professional I can tell you with complete certainty that the amount and type of information that can be collected on each of us through this source is frightening. Which begs the questions, how do they propose to store it, maintain it, present it, what is the governance, how do we find out about the information they have on us, etc ???
A warrant ensures due process is followed...no warrant, no access, period.
I thought this was Canada...
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Just ask those who come from states that do this kind of thing. Believe me you don't want Big Brother watching your every move.
Derailed
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The government and police have a well documented history of abuse of privileges obtained through the law. Furthermore, upon being caught of such abuse, the taxpayer must also bear the cost of the courts and lawyers who argue these cases. Are we trying to create more opportunities for the courts and lawyers or are we trying to protect citizens.
For example, the police continually set speed traps and such to indirectly tax citizens driving to and fro when the real problem isn't speed but poor and aggressive driving. I commute everyday and very, very, very rarely ever see a police car (unmarked or not) traveling with traffic to identify these dangerous individuals. Everyday, like most, I come across several drivers that should be pulled off the road and ticketed or even have their driving privileges removed. No, instead our police who's policy is to 'serve and protect' would rather use covert methods to TAX citizens further through fines and methods that DO NOTHING to prevent this type of activity from happening again. Maybe they should change their slogan ... 'To serve and collect' would be more appropriate!
The real worry here is most citizens have no idea of the breadth of electronic information that lies on servers (some in government agency basements) and that is readily accessible.
Profiling is a very dangerous game and shouldn't be left in the hands of those unqualified to manage it. Just because you are a police officer or a government offical doesn't make you qualified to handle, represent, use or dictate the use of this kind of information.
Doug
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Paul from Pickering
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"It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government"
Thomas Paine
Rene
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What would people say if fundamentalists, either Christian or Islamic, or for that matter self serving individuals, took over our society? Just drinking which is acceptable today, could be a crime tomorrow. Remember the 1920s?
Let's not be in such a hurry to sign off on any motion put through by the ruling party of the land in order to give police more power. We are only one decision away from being a police state.
Repulsed in Kent
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The good part: "- make it a crime to arrange with a second person over the Internet the sexual exploitation of a child"
Everything else is utterly horrible and if they end up going down that road, I'm leaving this country.
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Do Canadians want their internet to be controlled and censored like Iran or China? If not, we need to speak up. As we're seeing through the use of the internet to get information out of Iran, it's a powerful tool.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
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And the basic tennant that advocates preach is "if you do no wrong then why would you worry about someone looking at you?"
That is a "power-over-the-people" mentality and not a "power from the people."
The tennant should be "I am doing nothing wrong so why do you want to look at me?"
The police serve us we do not serve them - that, above all, must be the basic premise of a free society.
If our police system is so archaic and bogged down that it doesn't know how or can't cope or adequately perform the duties of "to serve and protect" then it is a system that has to be updated or replaced. You don't keep a system that doesn't work by breaking down our covenants so that it can be dictated to and controlled by said broken system.
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Current governments have overstepped the bounds of responsible governing.
Unacceptable.
Your only choice fro a private conversation these days is face to face - just like terrorist cells do.
Dennis in Edmonton
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How about protecting our Rights and Freedoms?
Enough with all the policing agencies in Canada!
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I'm all for catching the bad guys, but doing this is the same as tapping a phone. The bad guys will just go to where they can get a free wireless connection or do other such things that they can't be tracked. Does this mean anyone with a voice over internet phone can have there conversations recorded?
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It will be very unpopular.
We can, already see the responses..."big brother", "police state", etc., etc.
Why not just require that police go before a judge, explain why they need a warrant and, if it seems justified, go ahead and "eavesdrop".
Allowing police the check up, on people, without any restraints, is a formula for abuse.
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But if this is simply a tool for Harper's war room to get names of anti-conservatives commenting on his government - I'm against it.
Keeping files on people is wrong. Every country has had this issue and every time, it sparked lawsuits, radical movements and yes even created terrorist groups. So ask yourself...
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Blackbird, Toronto
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This law cannot stand the Constitutional Test...it will fail without needing a warrant.
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Allowing them to pursue anyone anytime without a warrant and therefore possibly without grounds just seems wrong.
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seems to me that the Conservatives AND the RCMP have done things ordinary citizens would have been charged for. How about strenthening citizen access to counter-surveillance of both the Conservatives AND the RCMP. oh never mind, the grass roots are organized enough and we have plenty of raw data!!!
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Finally the good guys will have some sharp tools in their tool box to help cut through the nonsense that prevents our kids from being targeted by predators.
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Stephen Harper is the worst Prime Minister I have ever seen. I would actually take Bush Sr. and Jr. before him.
No Joke
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We may well be past the tipping point already. I hope not.
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